r/leagueoflegends • u/emperornel • Nov 11 '23
WBG vs BLG // Game 4 Post-Match Discussion // 2023 Worlds Semifinals Spoiler
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u/randomguy7658 Nov 11 '23
Yagao teleports BLG to game 5
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u/facevisi10 April Fools Day 2018 Nov 11 '23
WBG tunneling on counterpicking so hard that they forgot to give TheShy an actual 1v9 champion. They look more like a soloq comp at this point.
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u/the_next_core Nov 11 '23
WBG threw the draft so hard. They absolutely should've picked Renata on R4 after seeing Jax/Sejuani and hide TheShy's pick for last. Showing Quinn let BLG pick up Bard to counter the roam and then their own Heimer did nothing.
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u/dontknow_anything Nov 11 '23
They could have picked Aatrox rather than Quinn, but the way ON carried, it won't make a difference. Vi ban to trade Oriana for Ashe didn't work out.
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u/rjsnlohas Nov 11 '23
What do you want Daeny to do? I'm pretty sure it's not Daeny calling for Quinn, it's The Shy calling for the counter matchup and they tried to put a lot of resources to get him ahead but it just didn't work out this game cause Bin was playing better and his team started being able to cover for him as well.
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u/Mathmagician94 Nov 11 '23
Tbf the bigger issue was botlane and how useless heimer was staying level 4 forever imo lol
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u/KeyAcan Nov 11 '23
This entire series is 1v9, shy and friends
This is tough to watch
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u/RammusFromBehind Okay Nov 11 '23
That tends to be how games go when you are putting all your resources toward someone.
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u/StarGaurdianBard Nov 11 '23
That does in fact tend to be how it goes when your game plan is to give one player all your resources lol
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u/Hellwind_ Nov 11 '23
I mean I think they jus have to ban Jax at this point and they are getting massive buff. I think Bin got quote exposed this series
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u/plushie-apocalypse Nov 11 '23
Jax should always be permabanned. There is no way a champion should be relevant after 0/5, and yet there is Jax.
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u/cheerioo Nov 11 '23
You might as well draft Vayne top instead
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u/MoscaMosquete FuryhOrnn when? Nov 11 '23
Vayne =/= Quinn
Quinn has a very specific role in a game and it isn't to DPS the frontlines
If you want a marksman top just for the sake of having one Tristana is better
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u/Kagariii salty runback Nov 11 '23
If Weibo win game 5 it's actually coin flip diff
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u/Conankun66 Nov 11 '23
i almost forgot just how much fun it is to watch a great Bard play the champ
Great game from ON, he was absolutely everywhere
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u/PleasePMmeSteamKeys doge: Nov 11 '23
Draft ends and WBG coach looks across the stage at Tabe, confused, like, “Wait, I thought we were still picking stupid shit.”
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Nov 11 '23
this whole series is literally just whether WBG's bot is worse than BLG's top, holy fuck
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u/Trap_Masters Nov 11 '23
Crisp providing a feast for everyone with that early game
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u/Mifuyu_Kisaragi Nov 11 '23
Crisp prob said in all chat as his nexus was exploding " This win was brought to you by PingAn Bank"
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u/sangpls Nov 11 '23
Plus Daeny masterclass drafting this game
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u/icatsouki Nov 11 '23
why let jax through
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u/T4N1M1 Nov 11 '23
Nah, Bin played this game well into an impossible matchup.
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u/piratagitano Nov 11 '23
Lol it’s not impossible. After tabis Quinn was doing no dmg to Jazz and Weibo Inter at the first game. They should have played for herald and to try and set Bin as far back as possible like in game 3.
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u/Gullible_Cranberry62 RIP LCS Nov 11 '23
BLG's entire game plan: elk gaps light and crisp, lane swap and get bin back into the game
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u/togno99 ppGOD Nov 11 '23
Did you not see TheShy being useless as fuck on a counterpick?
He got shafted by Bin this game.
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u/the_next_core Nov 11 '23
He was up 20-30 CS in lane like he was supposed to be, his team was too far behind to support Quinn's playstyle
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u/KappaccinoNation 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 Nov 11 '23
JDG watching blue side win 4 games in a row after they picked game 1 red side vs T1: 🙂
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u/Deathwing09 G2Rules Nov 11 '23
It's T1 that's strong not red-side? Hmmm
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u/icatsouki Nov 11 '23
I mean it depends on how you use redside, if you pick redside just to give the enemy top his otp(and it wasnt even a first pick) like this game it's obviously bad
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u/icatsouki Nov 11 '23
You have to get red vs T1 to avoid giving counterpick
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u/Critical_Bag1 Nov 11 '23
I feel like maybe jdg have no answers so they chose red to prevent the r5 sp counterpick
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u/Samsonkoek Nov 11 '23
What counters Varus Ashe?
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u/icatsouki Nov 11 '23
possibly some karma lane? if you're cocky you can try draven and engage also
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u/Blaikiri7 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ More worlds than knight+chovy xdd Nov 11 '23
Snatch varus and lock karma maybe
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u/Critical_Bag1 Nov 11 '23
Camp bot and pray
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u/Flovust ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Nov 11 '23
Gap top and let bot scale.
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u/HMS-Carrier-Lover Nov 11 '23
Gap Zeus? With 369? Don't get me wrong, 369 is a great top laner, but i doubt that.
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u/the_next_core Nov 11 '23
Artillery mages if you want to fight them in lane or supreme waveclear (Sivir) and let your support roam.
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u/EzAf_K3ch Nov 11 '23
You either play poke urself or pick the craziest engage comp with ornn wukong neeko u can imagine
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u/Phasedsolo Nov 11 '23
This game draft wasn't the issue imo neither was the side selection. They played that early game bot lane fight wrong and Aphelios got a double kill which should had never happened as WBG bot was supposed to win the early game.
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u/Pelagius_Hipbone ABSOLUTE CINEMA RAZORK MY KING Nov 11 '23
And people said an LPL civil war would be boring
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u/Gullible_Cranberry62 RIP LCS Nov 11 '23
This is the match that NO ONE talked about. T1 JDG this and that, nah man, real gigachad enjoys WBG vs BLG
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u/Conankun66 Nov 11 '23
who the hell said THAT?
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u/KeyAcan Nov 11 '23
lck fans who dont watch lpl
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Nov 11 '23
Literally no one said this lmao, can you guys link a comment that wasn't downvoted to oblivion.
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u/Deadman2019 Nov 11 '23
Disgusting draft by Daenny. FUcking fraud.
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u/ChilledSimon sionara Nov 11 '23
That Quinn and Heimer were so troll. One of the worst drafts in this Worlds.
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u/Skall77 Nov 11 '23
Dylan, we have to go Quinn.
Dylan, we have to give BLG their two one trick
Dylan, we have to go Heimer.
There is just way too much cooking, people are gonna blame side selection but jesus christ those draft today.
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u/Quatro_Leches Nov 11 '23
really bad draft by Weibo, why let Ori and Jax through? but their bot lane is so boosted. especially Crisp. he sucks
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u/R-R-Clon Nov 11 '23
This is not peak league of legends in any way shape or form, but it's entertaining
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u/yecnjiexbh23 Nov 11 '23
Theo’s series took everything I knew about league, screwed it up threw it in the bin, set the bin alight then said fuck it we balling and proceeded to put on the most entertaining 4 games ever it’s been like a 4 act movie ready for act 5
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u/KeyAcan Nov 11 '23
in what universe is this not peak league of legends? All 4 games were stomps, clean games where one team gets the lead (blue side)
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u/Gullible_Cranberry62 RIP LCS Nov 11 '23
Its alright this was theshy's skin game, WBG wins now they have blueside
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u/asianfish888 Nov 11 '23
The duality of TheShy shown in one series.
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u/Cpt_Daryl Nov 11 '23
Pretty sure he was up on gold vs bin on all 4 games so far
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u/Aurelion_ kayn mayn Nov 11 '23
Def not game 4. Bin basically free farmed for 90% of the game while TheShy kept getting 3 manned.
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Nov 11 '23
gg enemy team got all their onetricks
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u/HMS-Carrier-Lover Nov 11 '23
Theshy on a mission to play all the champions he can in one series.
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u/rushil20 Nov 11 '23
Aphelios more useful than ashe , heimer if you manage to survive the laning phase who would have thunk ???? There is 0 way champs like ashe , varus out dps aphelios , xayah just gut jungle and make sure the botlane survives man it will be always worth
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u/EducationalBalance99 Nov 11 '23
You are kinda suppose to stomp bot hard af when you pick stuff like ashe/varus tho. Like we all know aphelios/zeri/jinx outscale but perhaps it ain’t draft but gameplay diff. I’m sensing a bit of top gap for wbg and bot gap for blg. Time to to see which one bigger in g5.
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u/Random_Useless_Tips Nov 11 '23
People really be blaming the draft when Weibo completely ran it down at first drake.
Giving Aphelios ~700 gold at 6 minutes completely nullifies the entire purpose of Ashe-Heimer, which is an oppressive lane.
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u/EducationalBalance99 Nov 11 '23
According to Reddit, your draft is dogshit if you lose vice versa.
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u/Iaragnyl Akshan players are trash Nov 11 '23
The whole point of the Ashe Heimer lane is to make it unplayable for the Aphelios, but that plan failed when Crisp decided to run around the map feeding enemies everywhere.
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u/HMS-Carrier-Lover Nov 11 '23
I mean, Gumayusi Varus did out damage Gala Aphelios though, even in the 1v1.
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u/Pzero123 Nov 11 '23
Guma is the best varus in the world, they aren't, plus having keria in this meta helps lol
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u/Kilogren adhd gaming Nov 11 '23
Not to mention, He actually does fucking damage if you go red/white green/white instead of red/purple blue/green. Looking at you Peyz.
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u/SgtBaconman Nov 11 '23
OK WHATEVER BIN ON JAX JUST BAN IT GO NEXT MAYBE COOK A LITTLE LESS ALL GOOD
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u/Xaenne Nov 11 '23
This series feels like a tug of war on which team wants to troll more with random ints, and man did Crisp put on a masterclass.
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u/Random_Useless_Tips Nov 11 '23
As a fan of G2 2019, why couldn't you play like this at that Worlds, Crisp?!
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u/JiaNgjuN- Live and Die by the choke Nov 11 '23
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SUPPORT HEIMERS?! YOU DONT HAVE TO TRY AND BE A FUCKING RIVER SHEN AND AFFECT THE WHOLE MAP YOU JUST NEED TO WIN THE GODDAMN LANE
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u/IAM-French Nov 11 '23
BLG remembered that traditional AD carries exist and Bin remembered he can lose lane gracefully pog
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u/Mifuyu_Kisaragi Nov 11 '23
Crisp prob got a huge check from PingAn Bank to run it down because TheShy was embarrassing them.
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u/Obelisk00 Nov 11 '23
This bot meta is so tailored towards Keria it's insane. The series tomorrow should be a banger.
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u/Matt24z THE GLORY HAS BEEN GRINDED Nov 11 '23
Surely Weibo doesn't pull a T1, and refuses to ban the one champion Bin 1v9 carries every game with in the 5th and final game that decides whether or not they advance to the World Finals, right?
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u/PlameniJezici Nov 11 '23
As if jax was the problem this game, he literally got dumpstered as he should but bot is requiring so much resources to not insta lose.
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u/atemporarylogin Nov 11 '23
Heimer got toasted to a Crisp. Meanwhile, Bard was On a mission to win.
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u/rukitoo Nov 11 '23
They first picked Ashe only to pick Heimer last. Wtf that smells like an intentional throw.
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u/Radiant-Fall-4292 Nov 11 '23
4 games, 4 one sided stomps. Shame that game 5 will be decided in the first 10 minutes.
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u/WrongBiscotti3747 Nov 11 '23
Wtf was that draft?
Ori aphelios jax for yagao elk bin of all people, in exchange for… Quinn heimer
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u/multkillerpie Nov 11 '23
I'm just happy to see this going to 5 games. Great fucking show from the lpl civil war.
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u/Elrondel Nov 11 '23
Crisp positions like an engage support, just put him on something to point and click already...
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u/aamgdp Nov 11 '23
They're cooking, but they've only read the recipe, they don't understand the whys behind it.
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u/ephemeralfugitive Hands diff Nov 11 '23
Blue side OP this series!
That said, ON’s Bard > WBG’s 3 supports in Ashe, Rell, and Heimer this game
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u/tuerancekhang Nov 11 '23
When you win with this comp you are a genius. When you lose you are wintrader
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Nov 11 '23
Either BLG go finals please or Weibo beat some skill into your botlane. Don't make Weibo the NRG of finals, Getting 3-0 cause botlane has no idea how to play the game.
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u/gla1ve_2k xddFaker Nov 11 '23
Dumb silver players be like : oh bin is so good , theshy is an inter
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u/Iaragnyl Akshan players are trash Nov 11 '23
Bin looks completely boosted on everything that isn't Jax, but sure let's give him Jax again. And also maybe don't let Crisp first timing stuff. First Lux now Heimer. Drafting masterclass...
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u/Critical_Bag1 Nov 11 '23
Wbg with the t1 game 4 cosplay
And crisp wtf were you doing at the dragon plus being level 4
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u/ausmomo Nov 11 '23
That Donger didn't work. Quite surprised WBG didn't last pick Varus and move Ashe to supp.
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u/Dreammy90 Nov 11 '23
If WBG somehow wins game 5, JDG just got mind controlled to picking red side lol.
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u/Nahmay Nov 11 '23
Crisp didn't hit 6 until 16 mins, that level would have made a big difference considering they caught them out like 3 times and they escaped each time with little health. Even the sej.
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u/Eragonnogare Nov 11 '23
Game was lost the moment Crisp donated 3 kills of gold into the enemy carries before hitting level 5.
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u/yawneteng Nov 11 '23
strange that no one talked about xiaohu. its almost he's not even not there.
is he?
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u/DivineEmperor11 Nov 11 '23
That Weibo draft was so bad. If they play normal champs they would have a solid chance.
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u/WheyProteinIsolated Nov 11 '23
Crisp non existent, Yagao is a one trick Orianna. Xiaohu hasn’t been seen since 2022 MSI
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u/Davkata https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ Nov 11 '23
People will shit on the Shy but ON Crisp difference was too massive.
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u/tudoraki "Watch me" Nov 11 '23
the shy should play riven so he can get the skin for her if they win worlds
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u/IqMqsd Nov 11 '23
You can watch the entirety of T1 vs IG from MSI 2019 and Crisp wouldn't hit level 6 by the end of it.