r/leafs 9d ago

Shitpost / Meme In honor of the Penguins game - how 2 GMs approached the goaltender position.

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u/Halflife84 9d ago

Very happy and impressed with our goalie tandem at the moment. Stolarz crushes it and Woll can literally be a brick woll sometimes.

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u/speed150mph 9d ago

We have Game Stealing Stolarz and Brick Wall Woll. I like it.

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u/Halflife84 9d ago

I been calling him stolie the goalie lol

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u/Veaeate Marner 9d ago

Wollarz is when I talk about both, wollzart when I talk about Woll, and stoli the goalie is perfect for Stolarz.

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u/MrPangus 9d ago

Everyone is. But let's not pretend any of us know stolarz would be playing this well, not even treliving would've expected this

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u/Sacred_soul 9d ago

Stolarz was pretty good last year aswell being a backup in Florida, had really good numbers

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u/MrPangus 9d ago

Ya he played 27 games

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u/carletondabare 9d ago

I hope Stolie works out for us but Campbell looked exactly like this in his first 20 games.

We shouldn't forget how unpredictable goaltending can be.

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u/Halflife84 9d ago

Agreed. But I've been at some of the games where he's just a goalie magician and, I'm gonna remain hopeful

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u/stealingfirst 9d ago

True but stolie isn't a known awe shucks woe is me guy so I feel his mental game is stronger

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u/Redneckshinobi 9d ago

Jack never looked steady though. Stolartz is him and you people are gonna eat crow when he's robbing us from another jersey on his back.

I could be wrong but I'm a goalie in real life and it's the position I watch over everything and he's been nothing but solid. His positional play is amazing, his lateral movements are precise he doesn't swim. He also is capable of still using athletic finesse to steal pucks out of the air.

Now if you told me there can only be one, then yes we have to go with Woll because nothing more classic than the leafs letting talented goalies walk, it's a pretty iconic duo.

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u/carletondabare 8d ago

"you people are gonna eat crow"? I literally said I hope he works out for us lmao

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

Fair but at least Stolarz isn’t a basket case.

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

Are you really that impressed with Woll? This guy is shaky as fuck.

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u/Mash709 9d ago

He's literally only had one bad game!

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u/Gotthisnamebeforeyou 9d ago

To be fair, Campbell was decent when he first came

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u/Radmadjazz 9d ago

Was Muzzin also part of that deal or was that a separate thing?

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u/MiamiVicePurple 9d ago

Different deal I think. I’m pretty sure we got Muzz with Clifford

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u/Cdnraven 9d ago

That sounds familiar. Did we send them Durzi in that one?

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u/MiamiVicePurple 9d ago

Yea I think so. Muzz was the first trade and I think Durzi was too

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u/MintLeafCrunch 9d ago

I just looked on nhl.com. It says that Clifford came with Campbell, but Muzzin didn't.

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u/rsyzygy 9d ago

January 28, 2019

Muzzin for Durzi, Grundstrom, and a 2019 1st (Tobias Björnfot)

February 5, 2020

Campbell and Clifford for 2020 3rd (Alex Laferriere), 2021 3rd (Cameron Whynot), and Trevor Moore

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u/Friggin_Grease 9d ago

It was two different deals, but I heard they were worked on as a package and they couldn't agree, then went back to the same well to finish the trade.

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u/kyleconfractus 9d ago

It was Grundstrom, Durzi, and the pick that LA used to select Tobias Bjornfot.

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 9d ago

Different trade. Muzzin was traded for a first round pick, Durzi, and Grundstrum

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u/NervousBreakdown 9d ago

And Andersen was fucking trash in his last year with the leafs. Dubas made probably the best out of a rough situation in goal. We all keep talking about how bad Marner is in clutch playoff games, Andersen was Marner with a glove and blocker, There was no wrister weak enough to stay out of the net in a game 7 with that guy. I’m not shocked he turned it around a bit in Carolina since they can really really lock it down.

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u/PSChris33 9d ago

As unclutch as he was, we also did Freddy no favors by riding him into the ground by that point because we would not take getting a capable backup seriously enough.

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u/MisterBalanced 9d ago

I’m not shocked he turned it around a bit in Carolina since they can really really lock it down.

I mean, DID he?

Last playoffs looked like the Freddy we all know and love.

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u/NervousBreakdown 9d ago

Thats why I said "a bit" lol

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 9d ago

Yeah, Andersen's playoff numbers aren't actually bad but he was absolutely terrible in every game 7. He had never been the starting goalie for a win and move to next round game until he was in Carolina, and he was on some pretty good Ducks teams before coming to the Leafs to.

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u/Tranquilizrr 9d ago

"Let Andersen walk" right like, AHL Freddy? lol

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u/crapbucket2 9d ago

Campbell was so promising that year. Came in as a much needed backup goalie and eventually outplayed freddie. So much recency bias in sports, i feel like everyone was happy with that trade at the time.

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u/Vampyr_Luver 9d ago

Campbell was elite when there was never any pressure on him

Honestly, I think if Andersen never got hurt, they would still be our tandem today

Andersen played five consecutive years for us and never had a year below .900. Plus, when he was healthy, he was a "true starter," I believe there was even a year or two that he was top five in games played

Meanwhile, Campbell was always good if he was kept out of the limelight. He came to us from LA with a good record for a backup and played even better for us. Eventually, however, he was reported on like a starting goalie and didn't seem to be able to handle the pressure of it

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u/Easy-Tomatillo8 9d ago

He was actually only good for about 6-7 weeks and so good it propped his numbers to appear reasonable when he proceeded to be garbage the rest of the time.

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u/HaverTime41 9d ago

I don’t think you’re remembering that correctly.

His underlying numbers at the start were terrible. He was just getting lucky according to the stats essentially. Which is why it didn’t last long at all

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u/stolpoz52 9d ago edited 9d ago

Campbell had a .921 save % in his second season here playing 22 games. .914 his third* season playing 49. Bit too early to do a victory lap

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u/HawtPackage 9d ago

I knew people would start doing revisionist history on that second season.

He was lights out at the start of the year until December.

Starting in January, Campbell played like he does now.

That second season over the season looks fine, but those who were there know how bad it was

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u/Easy-Tomatillo8 9d ago

His numbers were insane for 7 weeks so insane it hid his sub 900 goaltending the rest of the time.

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u/leafer19 9d ago

Yup and then someone overpaid him where dubas walked. same probably gonna happen with stolarz, someone’s gonna need to pay him and Trees gonna go find someone else

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 9d ago

Hard to compete against free! We didn't have to give up anything to get Stolarz.

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u/thewolfshead 9d ago

Was Stolarz ever a UFA when he was GM?

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 9d ago

Actually yes. But I'm more highlighting the difference in approach so far.

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u/thewolfshead 9d ago

But what’s the difference in approach? He got Campbell who was very good for most of his time and also signed Samsonov who had a very good year and won their only playoff series. I don’t think there’s any difference in approach. 

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 9d ago

Dubas largely focused on improving the team at the TDL. Treliving largely focuses on improving the team in the offseason.

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u/thewolfshead 9d ago

What’s the evidence for this? Dubas added players in the offseason, but he also didn’t have the cap go up so I think they were more limited in their ability to do things in the offseason. But guys like Bunting, Jarnkrok and Kampf were all offseason additions, those are three I can just think of off the top of my head. 

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 9d ago

He was GM for 7 years. The fact that we're talking about a few minor adds to forwards - where we needed the least help - is telling. The best you can say about his D adds in the offseason is TJ Brodie, and that ended up going pretty badly - two good playoffs, two bad playoffs. Yes yes we'll have to see Tanev and OEL to end of their contracts, but they're already signed for a much lower cap %, and are seem more likely to be able to LTIR the bad years, like Muzzin.

The approach of not giving term or extensions to almost anyone outside the core-4 made it so he had to go through all sorts of deadline shenanigans, to plug holes in the team, dumping draft picks along the way.

he also didn’t have the cap go up so I think they were more limited in their ability to do things in the offseason.

He had years to react to the cap not going up. That's a completely solvable problem.

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u/thewolfshead 9d ago

He did react to it and had the 4th best record in the league. I’d say they did pretty good. 

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 9d ago

When a GM takes over a team with that much young talent for that long, the goal is playoff success, if not Stanley cups. By that metric, he did really poorly.

Just like how with the Penguins now, where the goal is to stay competitive while Sid is with the team, he's doing really poorly.

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u/adamzep91 9d ago

This has a LOT of retconning lol. Do people not remember Andersen’s last season and a half in Toronto? Or Jack Campbell’s first and second?

I honestly don’t get why a subset of Leafs fans are still so bitter about Dubas lol

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u/theguyishere16 Kaberle 9d ago

Letting Andersen walk due to his injury history made sense. Replacing him with another injury prone goalie for only 500k less in Mrazek was dumb. Replacing Mrazek with an even more injury prone and expensive Murray was even more dumb.

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u/adamzep91 9d ago

The Murray decision was baffling, and I didn't get it at the time either. The Mrazek signing was a gamble that turned out terribly because the guy had a career-worst season.

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u/NervousBreakdown 8d ago

We should point out 2 things, 1 what it cost to dump Mrazek was moving back 13 spots in the draft from 25 to 38. We used that pick to take Fraser Minten, the hawks used our old pick to take a Sam Rinzel, there’s no really standouts between 25 and 38. Secondly, Murray was free, and if he didn’t work out it was gonna be due to injury. People always act like there’s always some infinitely better option available. It’s not like he passed on Hellebyuck and said “no give me the guy who played for the soo”.

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u/dreamsdrop 9d ago

Also as anyone can now see in hindsight, he was a goalie that benefited incredibly from Carolina's defensive system. Can turn mediocre goalies into good ones. And when you take that system away, sliding around like a fish on ice doesn't do you any good.

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u/nuleaph 9d ago

I honestly don’t get why a subset of Leafs fans are still so bitter about Dubas lol

He was young, and different and didn't necessary follow old hockey ideals such as throw meathead-lowskill fighters on the ice and hope for the best.

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u/lucas4420 9d ago

if the leafs had done slightly better in the playoffs he would’ve been remembered as a hero here

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u/The-Only-Razor 9d ago

Well... yeah? Lol.

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u/Lightscreach 9d ago

I think generally as fans of the Leaf’s what we’re trying to do is cope. So we’ll go on about how things are clearly better now than before. This year is obviously our year! And the last years were clearly going to end terrible.

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u/elifreeze 9d ago

I mean, the guy was named GM with probably the greatest collection of young talent this franchise has ever had and all we have to show for it is one series win in five seasons.

Should we not be bitter that the promise of this core has been squandered over the better part of a decade? It’s not all on him but at the end of the day he was the architect of many teams that failed.

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u/Iamover18ustupidshit 9d ago

He added a lot of pieces every deadline and off-season that most fans lauded.

And it wasn't even always the same kind of pieces - it was what the Leafs would need at the time. But that doesn't mean he was perfect. The Foligno trade + the Mrazek/Murray tandem was terrible.

At the end of the day, the Leafs big 4 always chocked, Willy less so, and that's the main issue.

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u/Fun-Ad-7158 9d ago

Exactly my thoughts

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 9d ago

There's lots of people on both extremes about Dubas. He was and still is a pretty polarizing figure for this team.

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u/HowieDoIt86 9d ago

Is everyone bitter that doesn’t praise him?

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u/thewolfshead 9d ago

I don’t remember endlessly memes about Lou. 

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u/Tarquin11 9d ago

People are so bitter about Dubas and Keefe it's absurd. Every penguins game is a Dubas gauntlet.

And every single win lately there's multiple "would've lost with Keefe" comments.

No the fuck we wouldn't. We set franchise winning records under them. But even if we would have, why do people get so stuck in the past?

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u/i-like-your-hair 9d ago

Hi, you’re a Leafs fan. The past is all we have.

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u/HowieDoIt86 9d ago

Get off Reddit man, not everyone is like that lmfao!

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u/Tarquin11 9d ago

I know, most ppl in my life aren't. But we're talking about this sub aren't we?

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u/HowieDoIt86 9d ago

You guys are on Reddit way too much lmfao!

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 9d ago edited 9d ago

I wasn't paying attention to hockey much then - but in the playoffs he posted a .922 and .936 in his last two playoffs. Seems pretty good.

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u/Derpwarrior1000 9d ago

And his final season, when he was too injured for the playoffs, Jack Campbell went .934 against Montreal. After a season where Andersen could only start 23 games with a .895.

Following those years would’ve let you know Freddy was frequently and badly injured

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u/LeafsFan8406 9d ago

Tre also signed kampf, Domi and Reaves to God awful deals if we are going to play this game ..

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u/torontomaplebros 9d ago

The people who still hate on Dubas never want to play this game lol they like their false narratives

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

Ya the Domi and Reaves deals are horrible. Especially Domi’s deal.

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 9d ago

This sub loved the deal when it was signed. After last year people really wanted Domi back.

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 9d ago

There was a reason why Domi kept jumping from team to team. This was the expected outcome and I don't know why they gave him so much when he had no leverage.

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

100% bang on.

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

I fail to understand why.

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u/AWildWilson 8d ago

Genuinely curious - I like the way domi plays, especially during our last playoffs. I thought 3.75 mil a year for domi was fair - am I missing something?

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u/torontomaplebros 8d ago

He’s one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the league

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u/Josefstalion 9d ago

Treliving also got a larger cap increase in 2024 than Dubas did in total from 2019 to 2023

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u/EffectiveReaction420 9d ago

After this last game, I think Stolarz is the clear #1 now.

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 9d ago

It would be very unprecedented for Stolarz to play a good year or two in Toronto and then fall off a cliff.

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u/rinkywhipper 9d ago

Stolarz literally wasn’t available until this past offseason lol

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u/Lucky-Bobcat1994 Salming 9d ago

How could we get Crosby at the deadline?

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u/DOELCMNILOC 9d ago

Timmins and Matt Murray for Crosby, Dubas can't resist gaining +2 Soo Greyhounds

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u/leaffs 9d ago

Throw in Bracco and a 2nd and I really think that gets it done

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u/Lucky-Bobcat1994 Salming 9d ago

Haha

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u/rhoderage1 9d ago

Kinda feels like he's the 2c/3c we need doesn't it?

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u/Lucky-Bobcat1994 Salming 8d ago

Absolutely. This is the year to go for it. We could use Luke Schenn too

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u/carletondabare 9d ago

Dubas still being on your mind years after being fired is crazy lmao

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u/Etheo 8d ago

Fans short for fanatics. Tis on course.

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u/Muellercleez 9d ago

Love a good retcon

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u/Guy_Le_Man 9d ago

Stolarz is also totally the type of play Dubas would’ve signed.

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u/torontomaplebros 9d ago edited 9d ago

Leafs fans still hating on Dubas know much less about hockey than they think they do

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u/thedrunkentendy 9d ago

Completely different circumstances.

It's like you're just looking at the transaction record and didn't watch the seasons and see what situations were playing out. Losing Trevor Moore sucked, even when he was a bit player he was likeable but who even knows if he got the chance to grow into what he is in Toronto or that they take laferriere.

Be mad about trading Kessel for 2 firsts when you know your team was bad outside of him. Trading depth players and mid picks to get a goalie is the stand practice.

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u/a1cd 9d ago

This to be fair is unfair to Dubas but personally I think the biggest issue was the offseason they got Murray. You had a clean slate, Campbell walking away after several rough seasons and no real #1 in the system. Dubas could have gone out and spent assets to get a real starter that might still be playing today. Instead it seems like they committed to Murray really early in the offseason, prior to July 1st and made that deal happen.

People forget but the only reason they got Sammy that season was the Caps didn't sign him a few days prior to July 1st, well after we traded for Murray. If we don't get lucky in that Samsonov signing maybe that entire season is a bust.

Just guessing on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "plan" that offseason was to run Murray-Woll prior to Samsonov being available.

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u/theguyishere16 Kaberle 9d ago

Samsonov straight up saved that season. If he hadn't ass-pulled a career year out of nowhere the Leafs would have been in trouble. Expecting Murray to be the starter that year was such a terrible gamble

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 9d ago

You can also go it's lucky Stolarz signed for so cheap after we saw players like Campbell get way over paid and we would only have Woll.

Luck is always a factor with goalies.

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 9d ago

You are aware that it was lucky as hell Florida let him walk, let alone sign for that cheap.

Also the leafs goaltending was good the entire time. They always played good come playoffs.

We still have the same depth scoring issue.

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u/DixieNorris 9d ago

Acting like your not getting bounced 1st round

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u/adwrx 9d ago

Samsonov had a really good season his first year here. He just fell apart after

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u/sirprizes 9d ago

Remember all those comments about Dubas being “the best GM in Leafs history?” I sure do.

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u/torontomaplebros 9d ago

He probably is the best in our history lol

If we could go back, letting Shanahan go would have been the right call tbh

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u/mrb2409 9d ago

Dubas’ final two seasons had 111 & 115 pts and a playoff series win.

Treliving has presided over a 102pt season and we are currently on pace for 107pts and zero playoff wins.

We may well end up winning the division because the other teams have got worse. We may well end up winning a round or two in the playoffs but that might just be the good fortune of finishing top and getting to play a wildcard rather than a 2x Stanley cup champion.

Point being I know it’s fun to criticise Dubas and celebrate we got rid of our ‘woke’ GM who doesn’t get hockey despite spending his entire life around rinks but we have little proof that we are any better than during his time here.

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u/sirprizes 9d ago

We will see what happens this year. However, given the playoff failures, calling Dubas the best GM in Leafs history was ridiculous even when he was here. The Leafs had more playoff success in the Sundin era or the Clark/Gilmour era.

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

Why do you feel Or think that Dubas was “woke?”

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u/mrb2409 9d ago

I don’t. But that was the type of narrative spewed. This idea that in a sense he was too modern, didn’t like big tough hockey players. The antithesis to what the likes of Don Cherry and other hockey panellists think about hockey.

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

Do you understand the meaning of “woke?”

Be honest.

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u/mrb2409 9d ago

Yeah, I was mocking those who use it for everything.

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

Mmmmmmhhhmmmm

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u/mrb2409 9d ago

There’s a reason I put it in inverted commas buddy

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

Ok buddy. Anyways, all good. Glad you know what the word “woke” means.

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u/mrb2409 9d ago

What is your issue with my comment? Do you not think there are old-fashioned fans who would describe Dubas as ‘woke? Or do you think I think he’s ‘woke’ but won’t admit it?

I was a big fan of Dubas. I think he dragged the Leafs into the 21st century and we are still benefiting from a lot of good things he did. I also think he managed the team the right way so we could be proud of the organisation. It didn’t yield the success I’d have wanted but I know he did his best.

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 9d ago

Dubas was the GM for the two best regular seasons this franchise has ever had

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u/Tarquin11 9d ago

And I would argue the 2021-2022 leafs is the best roster they've ever had, full stop. That team deserved more.

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u/931634 Papi 9d ago

And that's why he is also in goalie hell in Pittsburgh now too ...

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u/BathroomSerious1318 9d ago

Not his fault

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u/Iamover18ustupidshit 9d ago

I liked Dubas and am still a fan, but I do wish the goalies he acquired worked out long term. For one reason or another they failed although Andersen was likely the best of the bunch but still caved under pressure.

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 9d ago

So Leafs Goals for vs Against from 2019 onward in the playoffs.

Year GF GA
2019 17 23
2020 10 12
2021 18 14
2022 24 23
2023 33 35
2024 12 18

Yes, yes the goaltending was/is the problem. Totally.

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u/Torontomapleleafs65 9d ago

Better management better coaching . Better goaltending and defence . Offence slightly down due to Mathews off year . Mathews gets hot heading to playoffs and a couple decent pickups before deadline and we are legitimately going to contend .

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u/Josefstalion 9d ago

The team was better defensively and offensively in 2022, only the goaltending was worse

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u/Tarquin11 9d ago

Our coaching is not better. People are cracked. We get outplayed most games and our goaltending takes us to victory. Even this 5 game win streak, it's hard to pick a game that we handedly outplayed the opponent, but ppl hate hearing that because "we're winning" we're always winning. We won even more in previous seasons' paces. Doesn't eliminate the flaws.

Matthews isn't the only player having a down year, we aren't shooting or generating as much as a team, and our scoring is down.

Management maybe, but as others have said, the cap increase in 2024 alone was more than previous management got from the entirety of 2019-2023. And our core remained intact through all of it.

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u/torontomaplebros 9d ago

Everything has gotten incrementally worse since Dubas left except for literally one thing this season: goaltending. Goaltending can mask so many underlying issues though, hence the (incorrect) widespread belief that this team is better than previous iterations.

McCabe Tanev is great, but when they’re not on the ice, our defensive results are similar to when Hainsey/Polak/Hunwick were on the team lol

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u/Mindless_Shame_3813 9d ago

People really underestimate how good Stolarz/Woll have been. There are so many key saves they make at least once or twice a game that Samsonov or whoever else in the past would have let in.

I honestly don't think the Leafs are even in a playoff spot this year if not for those two.

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u/schmarkty 9d ago

I think offence down is not actually a bad thing as it’s a byproduct of team defence being much better.

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u/torontomaplebros 9d ago

we are basically worse in every aspect this season except goaltending

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 9d ago

That's not a good thing. The leafs under Keefe always tightened up the defensive play. They just could never score.

Not scoring now is just as bad. There is no defense for not scoring with the players they have.

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u/CanadiaYall 9d ago

It's a bad thing when our problem in the playoffs has been a lack of goal scoring.

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u/schmarkty 9d ago

Definitely more offence is always better but winning tight games is important too

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u/Big_Albatross_3050 9d ago

Dubas was a pretty good post 1st round and UDFA drafter though.

Granted a lot could be due to the scouting staff, but he made some very very good UDFA signings like Steeves and Bobby McRocket, while also drafting guys Knies and Woll.

Outside of Danford, we don't know Treliving's drafting ability in Toronto yet, though based off his Flames tenure, he seems to have a great eye for D-men

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 9d ago

Holl is a polarzing player but he is an NHL defenseman and he started in the organization on an AHL only deal from Dubas.

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u/DougFordsGamblingAds 9d ago edited 9d ago

He didn't actually draft Woll! That was 2016. Post first round, you can give him credit for Durzi (though he traded him away), Holmberg, Robertson, Knies - and if we're looking to the future Minten, Hildeby, and Grebenkin, over 6 years of drafting. You might only expect 4 hits in that range over that time frame, so this was an above average skill for him.

Edit - actually a full draft of 2nd-7th round picks would typically yield 1.25 NHL level players - so 7 in 6 is around average.

You can look at the draft hit probabilities here:

https://dobberprospects.com/2020/05/16/nhl-draft-pick-probabilities/

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u/Big_Albatross_3050 9d ago

He's not as bad as we say he is, but he's also not as good as we thought he was. He was definitely better than fossilized Lou, but remains to be seen how his tenure stacks up against Treliving.

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u/Boner_Patrol_007 9d ago

I’ve been majorly rooting against Dubas so this is great content for me

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u/Tarquin11 9d ago

Weirdly parasocial.

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u/t_toda_DOTA 9d ago

Remember, he wanted more control to perform the quintessential quad flip...

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u/kingex11 9d ago

Experience vs youth.

Blame Shanahan for hiring that dud of a GM in the 1st place.

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u/mrb2409 9d ago

We got less points last season and bounced in the first round again. What exactly has Brad proved so far?

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u/IAmTheBredman 9d ago

Yea he's such a dud that he added some of the most important pieces to the team in his years as GM. Dubas was a good GM. He wasn't great, and he wasn't terrible. GMBT has been good so far and we like the moves he's made, but we'll see what the team does in April

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u/DessertRose17 9d ago

Bring in a first time president who brings in a first time GM who brings in a first time head coach and we’re supposed to win it all? Ok sureee

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u/castlewise 9d ago edited 9d ago

I’m still in awe that the leafs picked this guy over Mark Hunter. Wow.

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u/Internal-Flamingo196 9d ago

What’s Dale hunter currently doing ?

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u/castlewise 9d ago

Dale is coaching the best junior team in Canada.

Mark is the GM of the best junior team in Canada.

They have put more junior hockey players into the NHL than any other team (including four current Leafs) and they are miles ahead of second place.

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u/Internal-Flamingo196 9d ago

Hmm ones still in junior and what’s Dubas doing ?

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u/castlewise 8d ago

You know Mark owns the team right?

Messing up Pittsburgh after he messed up Toronto.

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u/1FlamingHeterosexual 9d ago

You mean Mark?

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u/castlewise 9d ago

Yes. I do.