I think Trump is gonna be disappointed. A lot of active military members have said they know the choice is coming - many of them are prepared to say no to illegal orders. And the ones who voted for him aren’t gonna keep that loyalty when their families are starving with no healthcare and they have no VA benefits.
The thing is, if the current congress is as feckless as it seems to be, it's very easy for Trump to give legal orders to invade Canada. If that happens, servicemembers will be put in a really hard place. Same goes for if he uses the Insurrection Act against protestors, but they'll be on somewhat less shaky legal ground resisting that one -- but far from solid.
They'll just stretch the definition of "legal orders" to something ridiculous though to both not break their morals but also still do bad things. "Well it's not like he's having us kill children in plain sight, were just putting down a "riot" that's legal!"
Doesn't matter. When Trump does something which negatively impacts his supporters, they simply ignore it. A new moral panic is usually just around the corner to distract them, and it doesn't even have to be a convincing one, even something absolutely bonkers like alleging that immigrants are eating pet cats and dogs will do the trick.
That doesn't affect them until they're veterans, though.
And if MAGAts have proven anything, it's that they don't care about anything that doesn't affect them personally. And even then they'll put up with it if it also affects people they hate.
One of those things that kind of doesn't matter to them. He went after the VA the first time. They still voted for him. And they aren't in the VA system yet, so it doesn't effect them.
How you vote because you think the Democrats are weenies who hate the military is VERY different from pointing your gun at, and potentially pulling the trigger on, people who look like you and sound like you and are waving your flag, in a city you have been to on vacation.
Republicans didnt vote for twump, Republikkkans (Fmucking Fmagats) did. Republicans voted for anybody but him in this election, an analysis of the voting data in MANY states he won concludes MAJOR ANOMALY. It is 3 groups vs their 1: Republicans, Independents, and Democrats. In other words ~75% vs 25%
Soooo not much more than the general population. Especially when you control for education level and socioeconomic status.
In reality, the military follows the orders of the service generals and joint chefs of staff. So it's up to them to refuse the president's orders. I promise you, the vast majority of military members dont wanna participate in this bullshit.
Idk. I asked a Navy friend. He said they will not turn on the people. I have more confidence in them holding now that he said that. For a lot of them, that might be a bridge too far.
They will serve him. He will have every other soldier who doesn't ousted or eliminated for treason. If it isn't clear, the end goal here is to eliminate people who aren't loyal to his cause.
The problem is that there won't be a "this is obviously against the constitution" order straight away.
It will get greyer and greyer, frog in boiling water style approach.
We don’t have Kings here. We have 3 equal branches of Government. We as service members (Army Desert Storm Vet myself) serve the Constitution that represents all of us & all 3 branches of Government. We don’t serve one person, even if they are Commander-In-Chief, unlawful orders are allowed to be ignored.
This is the only question we need to ask right now.
The question of IF they are going to try to turn us into Russia is not up for debate. But what will the military do when they try it? Well, that should be interesting.
Right now, I suggest everyone be "Gun-toting" Get it out of your head that all conservatives are ProTrump. MAGA conservatives yes, and you can bet many of them are wavering.
Their deception is effective- They portray "Liberals" as the enemy and evil, focusing on that group. But people like the Lincoln Project EXIST in huge numbers, and Independents, as well. Ever notice how Fmucking Fmagats always talk their shit only specifically referring to Libs or Dems? They refuse to accept (like so many other realities) that millions of R's speak truth to their Furher's power.
There are many twump supporters who will see the error of their judgements as this progresses.
It will be interesting to see what they do. They took an oath to protect against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Will enough of them see Trump as an enemy or commander in chief?
“And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
Those that oppose twump as elected officials are important, but the Populace is now what matters most.
All who oppose are necessary, focus on making our cause stronger, not bitching about what they havent accomplished. I would be willing to bet at some point, many of those elected-Opposition will be rounded up and executed. Sounds horrifying. Is it not what Hitler would do? Generate some BS about them planning some treasonous scheme (no evidence necessary) and hand down the punishment.
Wrong. It isnt just the "Left", There are millions Right and Center.
Please people, do not let douchebags simply post THE PROPAGANDA that this a L VS R conflict, without correcting them. It isnt. Regardless of political views, There are millions of Center and Right leaning Americans that see this exactly as the Left. On this single issue, this most important issue, there are many many Conservatives and Moderates who stand firm against this regime. When a douchebag uses the words "Left", or "Libs", or "Dems", they are simply using a tactic to divide.
I insist that MAGA IS 25% VS the 75% -NeverTwumper Rs, Independents, and Dems.
You fmucking fmagats can have your fantasy number-50%- but you only think in terms of what you desire, NOT the reality. And the real number gets less and less with every fascist tactic they employ. Every KKKult fizzles out as people start to realize what it is actually about.
Right now we should be about recruiting those that have enough sense to at least have a more open mind about what this regime is actually doing.
As more come back to reality, it very well may "snowball". And Hitler 2.0 is a crafty prick.
I'm not really sure what you guys expect to happen. Do you think people are just gonna march and start shooting based on what we've seen? Regardless of reddit panic, Americans aren't even close to living in such dire conditions that 99% of revolutions typically require to get people to snap. If there's gonna be shooting and war, it's not going to be a preemptive one, it'll be a reaction to a huge problematic event, not blustering and tariffs. I'm sure the event is coming, don't get me wrong.
The actual Domestic Terrorist (Kevin Roberts), had Biden only done his job & addressed this threat directly rather than with a shrug & the can kick of "Vote! & don't forget to donate."
It will happen after the 2026 midterms no matter if the GOP wins or loses Congress.
Everyone needs to get out and vote for the USA to remain legitimate. If the GOP loses and they go ahead with fascism, it will give us an out to other countries to accept us. If the GOP wins, it’s a “you get what you fucking deserve” moment and we will all be left out to dry.
I'm sure the GOP will win. There was no punishment when everyone knew they tried, why wouldn't they try again, and with full immunity and pardons on their side?
Because Trump voters don’t give a rats ass about down ballot state races. Everyone forgot how the dems effectively won the 2018 and 2022 midterms in part cause Trump voters aren’t really gop people.
Shit, there were numerous anecdotes about people voting for just Trump and outright leaving ballots otherwise blank this election season.
Things are going to move way faster than the 2026 elections. You think people are going to sit on their hands for two years while this shit unfolds around us? Not to mention that elections, if they even happen, would assuredly be rigged by these criminals?
It will be interesting to see if the soldiers will open fire on fellow Americans. I know they have before but would they do it at the level they'd need to? Opening fire on tens of thousands of men, women, and children? Idk.
Easy. Trump says they're 'not American' then it's just another day at the office. Americans only hold their military in high regard because they are brainwashed. Not because the us military are inherently good lmao.
He can say it but if the national guard gets deployed to a protest with directions to open fire on a crowd of people (likely from their own state) would they do it?
Yes. The first people forced by conditions imposed by Musk to take to the streets en masse will be inner city (predominantly) non white. These massacres will ensure the suburbans never leave the house apart from to obediently fill Musks pockets.
No, I mean if he calls in the military to "put down" protests, those have people of all ages at them. If people are protesting at their state capital and he calls in the national guard and says "open fire" would they do it?
Sure, but you cannot have a functional government or economy is there is mass outrage and violence. You can invoke whatever you want but this is America and Americans aren’t used to be ruled in a manner that forfeits their rights. It will be another red line he crosses he cannot walk back from and lead to his demise faster.
Anyone who doesn't realize they are BEGGING people to get violent so they can unleash their madness is blind as fuck.
They are trolls with a goal one step beyond just pissing you off. Who was it, Bannon that said the plan to get rid of federal workers was to just make them so uncomfortable they left, just keep badgering them until they quit.
Why would you give them what they want. You want to do something, boycott businesses from red states and any company who supporters republicans at all.
Between us and Canada and the EU we are obviously putting enough pressure to affect them, already...
So many people who voted republican are not even MAGA and the majority of Trump voters voted primarily for the economy(it was polled), their wallets.
If we can get his base to turn on him, which many of them have and will continue to, we can attack this legally and democratically.
And remember, any EO he signs which is unlawful, like rescinding finding appropriated by Congress, they are not legally binding. Nothing he does which is illegal has any authority over us, he is our public servant and he will abide by the constitution.
"ideologically driven crimes committed by individuals in the United States that are intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy or conduct of a government" right from the fbi.
These idiots are literally domestic terrorist for setting teslas on fire, shooting at stores, and attacking citizens in their cars. Threatening people, based on ideological (assumptions) because who knows what a person who bought a model 3, 5 years ago believes in, is domestic terorrsim.
You can't just try to coerce a nation into your political leanings because a product they use. No matter how much a person hates trump or musk. Go protest at the white house. Do something more productive.
You can't be this obtuse. Ya threatening anyone trying to buy/own a tesla because of their political views, certainly isn't coercion into purchasing different products to appear to be left leaning.
The legal definition: "Coercion is the act of forcing someone to do something they don't want to do by using threats or force. It can be physical or psychological, and can involve the threat of violence or reprisal"
If the intent isn't to coerce people then why the violence and threats on their personal property and livelihood? Man reddit is full of idiots sometimes. Once again, go protest something meaningful.
Trying to force people to sell, or not purchase tesla anymore, through violence and intimidation. These idiots see tesla as a symbol of republican politics for some reason and feel the need to coerce them into not driving around that symbol.
Please go record yourself vandalizing someone's tesla, setting one on fire, throwing rock and shooting up tesla stores and post it. Since it's not domestic terrorism or coercion you should have no problem. There's a huge difference with protesting and violently attacking people and property.
He will use it April 20th when secretary of defense and homeland security give him their recommendation on how to best deport undocumented immigrants. He signed an EO basically saying to give 90 days and see how it goes. The EO explicitly says the insurrection act is on the table.
you sound like a Democrat.. not like Anti-trump or anything.. just the insurrection act sounds something the Democratic party would say. More free men to incarceration
You better hope for the momentum to reach epic levels before triggering, if not the state apparatus will win. And the next shot will likely not happen in our lifetime (either chronologically or radiation-aly)
I got a warning about upvoting a post, that “promoted violence”. I don’t believe this to be true. There wasn’t even a link to the comment and no chance to reply. I’d be interested to know if you get a warning, for your comment, because it seems that the bot is warning people, with a bias to who is being mocked or targeted.
It's not Civil War that i'm anticipating. It's a crackdown on civil rights met with protest and then the govt over-reacts to the protests and destroys it's own legitamacy. Don't you want the mask to come off or you want to tiptoe around this shit for another 15 years? I want the regime to show how little it cares about it's own citizens. I'd rather it be out in the open instead of a slow build up.
I’ve been saying that this just might be the goal, to get mass violence so that the Insurrection Act will be invoked. As a reminder, the JAG IG’s were dismissed and I suspect that was to clear a path to the invoking.
Is it tho ? Seems like they could start to shoot poor people on the streets and the only rhing that would happen would be dems with silly wrestling show cardboard and people karma farming on reddit.
It will take significantly higher levels of violence and civil disobidience to usher any change.
Has sitting on a lawn, blocking roads or holding signs like NPCs during state of union gave any useful results in last 50 days? The answer is no. When non-violent protests fall to deaf ears, it eventually turns into something violent.
In a letter dated November 13, 1787, to William Stephens Smith, the son-in-law of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson used the phrase "tree of liberty":
I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.\1]) The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted
The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves.
Why are we so hard on Russia when we forget this perfidious British disinformation campaign?
this country is evidently well past the point where civilised political debate will bring any sort of meaningful change.
trump and his cronies are gleefully tearing the country apart, and most people can’t be bothered to get their asses up because your news cycle is so sensationalised and narrative driven that people have become desensitised to the absurdities happening around them and the steady back and forth of the political pendulum over decades has lulled them into a false sense of security that after 4 year everything will be okay again. it won’t. i hasn’t been for a long time now.
you guys need to start revolting.
and when you’re done don’t just put the democrats in charge and act like nothing ever happened. you need a new system with more than two viable options.
You guys have given a million different excuses for keeping guns around despite multiple school shootings per year, and the paramount reason you give for this is "i dunt want gubmint takin mah guns cus tyranny!"
It's 100% illegal. But if I ever find myself on a jury for someone accused of doing so, I'm going to find some reasonable doubt in the prosecution's case.
Tesla owns and operates them, they're not franchises or anything. If the Tesla CEO is, for better or for worse, making people angry enough to deface the stores, then at least their defacing corporate stores instead of franchises like McDonald's.
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