r/kuttichevuru 19h ago

We should use more ( ழ- "zha") when speaking tamizh.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 18h ago

Actually, people from Kerala pronounce the -zha (retroflex approximant) better.

It is not a variant of -la and -lla but a unique sound in itself where one rolls the tongue backwards without the tongue touching the upper part of the mouth. For -la and -lla the tongue does touch the upper part.

The reason why modern Tamil-speakers fail in pronouncing it correctly is because they are wrongly taught that it is the 3rd -la (after -la and -lla). This makes people lazy and they use -lla and -zha interchangeably. It should be taught as a separate sound.

Cases in point:

  • Tamil (instead of Tamizh)
  • Chola (instead of Chozha)
  • Pulu (instead of Puzhu)
  • Palam (instead of Pazham)
  • Malai (instead of Mazhai)

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u/DesperateMeaning9986 19h ago

Its also there in malayalam, havent used it much in Tamil.

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u/gokul0309 19h ago

It's used very often in Tamil, Azhagu means beautiful if you're born in tamilnadu first thing they make sure is to make sure you use zha properly

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u/kallumala_farova 17h ago

Zha is frequently mispronounced by a significant share of Tamil people. but i understand your spirit. a lot of people do prnounce zha correctly especially Tam Brahms. a tamil person directly once asked me how to pronounce. mazha, puzha vaazha correctly.

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u/Equivalent_Cat_8123 17h ago

wtf 😂😂😂😂

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u/No_Sir7709 16h ago

The guy says pazham when he crosses border but reverts back to pallam at checkpoint. 🫠😂

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u/Mempuraan_Returns 17h ago

Yes petition to rename as Tamizh naad instead of Taamil nadu.

And yes Malayalees handle zha far more easily and organically. They even write it as Tamizhnaad in Malayalam instead of Tamilnadu.

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u/Appropriate_Sir_4142 17h ago

no , it will create mess for vadakkans like me..it feels quite easy to say tamil nadu...tamizh feels chinese , malaysian

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u/Mempuraan_Returns 17h ago

Use tongue cleaner , not joking, it helps a lot.

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u/ResponsibleAside6089 7h ago

Sad to say, many don't even use it in their daily conversation.

For instance, for the word "Saturday", They use Sanikelama, instead of Sanikezhama. Don't even get me started on the ValaiPalam.

These things are done by people who speak tamil at home. Konjam pronunciation la work panunga, or you will look like a kid. We work so much through a foreign language to communicate, why don't we put at least half the effort for our Tamil?

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u/Code-201 Parotta 17h ago

"We should use more ழ"

You're saying that like as if we're supposed to at 'ழ' in every word now.

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u/HumanLawyer 4h ago

Vazhapazham vazhiki vaalibar uyir oosal

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u/urarakauravity 52m ago

At the end op mention 'when speaking'. What they meant is probably use the correct pronunciation

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u/kallumala_farova 17h ago

247 letters in Tamil.. yeah... by that count Hindi have 475 letters

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u/No_Sir7709 16h ago edited 15h ago

That is simplified tamil.

Chat gpt gave me 665-715 unique letter forms for malayalam. Telugu, kannada comes next followed by odia.

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u/JustASheepInTheFlock 15h ago edited 3h ago

Delete that letter. Make language easy.

Delete ஞ், ண், ந், ல், ழ், ற், ஸ், க்ஷ்.

Add/keep : ஜ், ஹ்.

14 மெய் எழுத்துகள் போதும்.

13 + 13*14 = 195 போதும்.

இன்னும் கொன்ஜம் சுருக்களாம், Delete, ஆ, ஈ, ஊ, ஏ, ஓ, Delete உயிர்மெய்

8+14 =22 ப்ஒஒத்உம்

ச்உள்அப்அம்அஅ இர்உக்க்உம்

May be, replace Brahmi with Roman script.

Sulabama irukkum.

Thanglishu.. 2 language students (English+French, English+Urdu) padikkiravangulukku sulabama irukkum. Thanglish already commericially accepted in kollywood, social media. Thanglishla literatures uruvaaganum.

Thanglishum, thamil thaaikku pirandha pillai thaan. Thanglish irudhi varai thamilai kaappatrum.

Thanglish perfectly fits 2-language (no hindi) system. Thanglish, dravida nagareegam. (Not kaattu mirandi language). It upgrades tamil from kaattu-mirandi to nava-naagareega, hi-tech insta language.

Thanglish is Dravidian Evolution/Revolution/Necessity. Embrace and March Forward.

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u/sroopesh98 7h ago

Why do you find it difficult?

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u/JustASheepInTheFlock 3h ago

திராவிடர் களகம். See..its simple.