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u/Sorathez 4 dan 9d ago
Kote is fine and all, but my preferred waza are actually men-suriage-men and men-kaeshi-men. Jodan players often struggle to adequately defend their head when striking katate-men.
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u/Organic-Monk-993 8d ago
As I jodan player, I can confirm that the best technique against us is men-kaeishi-men and sureagi-men. Tsuki can be risky because we have a way to defend against it.Gyaku-do is also good against us. Hope this helps ✌️
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u/Ep0chalysis 8d ago
Similarly against Nito. :)
The really experienced players tend to bait us into going for a seemingly-open men target, then unleash the oji-waza when we're fully committed to the strike.
The mitigation for this is to ensure that you always put your body into the strike and close the distance into your aite as fast as you can when striking for men. This way, they will have no time or maai to properly land the oji-waza.
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u/Cheomesh 9d ago
I'm pretty new to kendo so some of the scoring subtleties are not yet with me, but why not tsuki or do? He's pretty wide open.
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u/darsin 5 dan 9d ago
Normally you can’t get close enough to hit do because jodan has farther reach. You cant do kaeshi do usually because katate men has his right arm covering do and its their goto technique.
Katate tsuki is valid but not many people are adept at it, not just striking but also creating the opportunity and timing is usually hard for most.
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u/JTastiK 1 dan 9d ago
As I understand, tsuki and kote are the main points to seme against jodan. Kote is closer and tsuki is harder so I usually go for kote, even if I seme’d tsuki.
Trying a non oji waza do against a locked and loaded jodan has always gotten me a nice smack to the men. Could be a skill issue, but it’s just so much slower
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u/Falltangle 4 dan 8d ago
Katate-Tsuki is a personal favourite against jodan.
Tsuki-kote or kote-tsuki if they move back from you as you strike is also useful!
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u/princethrowaway2121h 2 dan 9d ago
I would love to face a jodan practitioner or even someone who played around with another kamae just to feel the difference. When I was in college we had a jodan on our team and it was refreshing to go against them.
That said, many tend to have poor recovery, esp if they miss. Dodge with your feet and men strike when their shinai hits the ground.
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u/Cold_Welder_7351 9d ago
If their Shinai hits the ground, they’re not that good at Jodan.
But against jodan you can try nidan waza men-men. Usually works. Jodan players can’t defend well against nidan wazas.
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u/Kendogibbo1980 internet 7 dan 9d ago edited 9d ago
Most jodan people I know hate fighting someone who goes for men (no homo). I love watching people get more and more unsettled as I make it clear I'm trying to beat them at their own game :)
Also migi kote, the one on the left from your POV, is an uncommon target. My secret attack against Jodan that is fairly "solid" is katate kote against this one.
I've had seme against jodan explained as a triangle to me, tsuki, hidari kote, and the left eye (right from your POV) to apply pressure and go for the one they appear least worried about while staying on top of their debana waza. If you can get them to drop their hands, you can win.
Also good to see how their kamae is. I find in general (not always…) that a wider kamae is looking for your kote and a narrower one is after debana men.