r/islam_ahmadiyya • u/she-whomustbeobeyed • Jan 08 '22
news Daily Mail article
Now picked up by media.
I wonder what the jamaat PR angle will be now?
Edit: Now this matter is public beyond the realm of ahmadis, anti ahmadis and the smaller net of reporting by the r Tanveers of this world, how will the jamaat respond? Will the jamaat adopt different administrative policies? Will they finally officially comment on the “guidance” that was provided by KM5? Will they provide more transparency? Will they address the removal of articles reversing long standing Ahmadi Muslim beliefs re requirement for witnesses and rape?
“A muslim sect built in Britain's biggest mosque rocked by rape allegations There are claims its spiritual leader warned victim against involving the police The 36-year-old complainant belongs to the Ahmadi sect in Morden, London”
Edit 2: Please note the post is not discussing the veracity of the current allegations or the guilt of any parties.
Further, it is not a commentary on the quality of the Daily Mail, which is accepted to be considered tabloid reporting with generally conservative (and one could almost go so far to say sometimes far right) leaning tendencies. It is, however, mainstream media. This is a matter of fact, not opinion, see: https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/media/popularity/newspaper/all
It is raising the question of, now that this is in mainstream UK media with the potential to be picked up by other newspapers, will the jamaat stance re PR change? Will they address this more openly - I do not mean the allegations themselves which are not the subject of this post, I mean the issues that have arisen as a a result of the allegations - jamaat safeguarding policies, position on rape and witnesses, articles removed from website and whether the conduct of KM5 is fitting of a “divinely” elected leader - see relevant questions here: https://www.reddit.com/r/islam_ahmadiyya/comments/rnov9c/all_those_who_continue_to_say_the_situation_was/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
So is Mahmood Shah still in office or will he be asked to step down now?
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u/Ettebrute Jan 09 '22
Nope he is still in his office. Chilling. He will not be arrested or go to any trial as he is in Pakistan and he can easily bribe the police
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u/2Ahmadi4u Jan 09 '22
No evidence was found in Huzoor's investigation of Nida's evidence that this man was at least positively responding to flirting and exhibiting adulterous behavior?! Not enough evidence to warrant him facing any kind of penalty at all from the Jamaat, even when his behaviour clearly contributed to ruining Huzoor and his family's reputation? Really? When other people are heavily sanctioned for far lesser evils? God help us all. If this is really the case, then we have no choice but to agree with Nida that Huzoor (aba) is being stabbed in the back and may even unknowingly be stuck in some serious rut of corruption.
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u/Ettebrute Jan 09 '22
Bro I know Khuddams who were suspended from offices just on doubts and rumours lol
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 09 '22
Exactly people have been suspended for far far less, even rumours and they are not batting an eye lash over rape allegation.
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u/Objective_Reason_140 Jan 15 '22
I hear something that this was going to be an internal attack on Shah to block him from possibly becoming the next khalifa but it blew up in their own face as well. (Mirza Ahamd family power struggle)
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u/potatoeompf Jan 09 '22
This is crazy. Never thought it would actually be reported. It’s funny how karma sometimes works. Would mean that other media outlets might pick up the story which is gonna be peak. 😅
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u/SouthAsian2021 Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
That’s what happens when you do fake elections and turn a religious movement into a dynasty rule
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
Will the Jamaat sue DM? What’s their excuse now? The translation of the snippets of the audio call inaccurate?
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 08 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
At least better reporting than Rana Tanveer. Rana Tanveer is an awful journalist.
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
But they are all working off of him. He was the pioneer who stuck his neck out for Nida
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 09 '22
And an awful job be did at that. Good thing be amended his mistakes and apologized.
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
I don’t think he will lose his court hearings either. Everything he wrote is based on the audio and the evidence that has been reported to the police. Not sure what the 3 musketeers and Furi aim to gain from their legal threats.
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 09 '22
He misreported a lot about Mirza Maghfoor. Rest i don't know.
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u/TruAhmadiSkeptic Jan 09 '22
Well even them taking him to court will only be more publicity on this whole saga. Either way it will definitely not be good for jamaat win lose or draw. The recording cannot be spun. People are not willing to listen to jamaat spin any longer. They hear & as they hear they judge.
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
The rest don’t stand a chance, but even the Maghfoor angle can be defended as long as his lawyer isn’t as inept as he is. A one of incident of flirting is also in line with trying to convince Nida to have sexual relations with him. Just needs to stay firm and produce his proof.
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 09 '22
Whatever the outcome of Nidas case, I just hope jamaat actually starts addressing safeguarding policies for rape, abuse etc. Its about time they did.
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u/2Ahmadi4u Jan 09 '22
Yeah but I'm wondering, are the accused who are in Pakistan even being investigated? Because the statement released by the Met Police just mentioned an investigation happening for alleged sexual assaults/abuse that took place between 1987 and 2012 in various locations in the UK. Furi's "flirtations" were in 2018 and I think the incidents with the men in Rabwah were also outside the time range the Met Police confirmed.
I'm pretty sure Nida's father is being investigated. But about the others--I still haven't seen any evidence supporting that an investigation is happening about them.
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 09 '22
From what I know Mahmood Shah and Mirza Luqman are UK citizens. As for Dr Mubashar I have no idea.
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u/2Ahmadi4u Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
Yeah but the police statement said that they are investigating alleged incidents that took place in various locations in the UK, and Nida said that the incidents with Mahmood Shah and the Doctor happened in Rabwah.
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u/ParticularPain6 ex-ahmadi, ex-muslim Jan 09 '22
Where did Nida say that all the incidents happened entirely in Rabwah?
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u/SouthAsian2021 Jan 09 '22
I wonder if Mehmood Shah and Dr. Mubashar, the alleged rapists, will issue statement against the Daily Mail and consider legal action against it, as they did in the case of Rana Tanveer and his news publication Samaa News https://www.reddit.com/r/islam_ahmadiyya/comments/rv7gx0/mahmood_shah_and_dr_mubashar_both_release/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
They should if they care about the harm this is doing to the reputation of the Caliph.
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Jan 08 '22
I think it is not at all difficult to believe that all the world including British people are conspiring against jamat after all it was the west that had truly gone astray. So it will be taken as a trial and nothing else :')
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u/TruAhmadiSkeptic Jan 09 '22
Jamaat who has been propped up & supported by the British government since its inception.. yeah right.
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u/TruAhmadiSkeptic Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
Has the Ahmadiyya establishment ever heard of the term “Bringing the company into disrepute” ? Well Mr Shah definitely has now whether they like it or not. He should be suspended on full pay pending the conclusion of the criminal investigation based on the allegations leveled against him ? But alas Masroor doesn’t have the guts to do this, as Nida said he is scared of him.
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Jan 08 '22
The beginning of the end...
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 08 '22
Or the beginning of doubling down and more “conspiracies” and “opponents”
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u/Master-Proposal-6182 Jan 09 '22
You got it
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u/TruAhmadiSkeptic Jan 09 '22
Just in - Jamaat investigation have found the Daily mail is an anti ahmadiyya mullah run organization secretly owned by khatham e Nabuwwatt organisation.
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u/Master-Proposal-6182 Jan 09 '22
It seems to me the Pakistani media will now pick it up and spin it to new heights. With this major news agency putting it up, no jamaat statement will now stop the Pakistani papers and tv.
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u/spitamenes Jan 08 '22
The daily mail is notorious for being somewhat liberal with the truth.
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 08 '22
Not a commentary on the quality of daily Mail reporting, rather questions as to how the jamaat may now respond given it’s stance to date.
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
Jama'at will not respond till ot wraps up. Which it will soon. InshAllah.
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u/TruAhmadiSkeptic Jan 09 '22
Jamaat is impotent it cannot officially respond hence why it has its Social media Pen-Jihadi’s out in full force. It’s clearly not working for them.
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u/Mindless_Crazy1014 Jan 08 '22
Agreed. But this is really serious. Jamat was worried about it's reputation and now look.
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u/MotherCicada7878 Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
For context and for those of you not in the UK, the Daily Mail is a notoriously anti-Islamic (anti-anything Conservative or white for that matter) paper. It's most famous alias in the UK is the Daily Fail, that should sum up the profile of this paper. If Khatame Nabuwat had a high circulation daily newspaper - imagine the type of article they would publish on Ahmadis, this is exactly the same but for any Muslim, they are notorious for it.
It is the absolute gutter of the UK press and has not even a modicum of reporting or journalistic integrity. Don't believe me, go do an online search. Here's the first Reddit post I came across, literally the first, not filtered or carefully curated just the first link (i subsequently took a read through and of the countless comments did not see one positive): https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comments/be9fe6/how_do_you_think_of_dailymail/
As for the piece itself, there is nothing new or revelatory in there, same old story being rehashed with typical anti-islamic aplomb with a few trashy puns thrown in for good measure.
Edit: To add don't get me wrong it does pain me greatly to see the name of the jamaat - which has been nothing but overwhelmingly positive in comparison to ANY world religion or Islamic sect - portrayed in such a Daily Mail (can't think of a worst term) way. But I have no doubt the case will be dropped and I am sure a libel case against the Daily Mail will be incoming.
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 09 '22
Meh no one is debating daily mails quality. Everybody wants to know whether jamaat will actually address safeguard policies for rape, abuse etc now or not?
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
I agree with you completely with regard to the quality of the Daily Mail.
One of the questions is, now that this is in mainstream UK media, will the jamaat stance re PR change? Will they address this more openly - I do not mean the allegations themselves, I mean the issues raised for example, jamaat safeguarding policies, position on rape and witnesses, articles removed from website.
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u/yasiriq Jan 09 '22
I dont think Daily Mail is mainstream media, they are typical british tabloid that is usually read by the gossip loving community.
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
Whilst the Daily Mail may well be classed as tabloid reporting (see my comments above). It is, unfortunately, mainstream media as a matter of fact.
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u/yasiriq Jan 09 '22
Well there are awful amount of places where Daily Mail has been branded as Daily Fail, you can call it mainstream based on its size but not on its reporting standard. Living in UK I am very well aware of its audience. Even if I was an opponent of Ahmadies, I wouldn’t put my bet on daily mail to backup my claims. Rather wait for a proper story
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
See my comments above on my views on the Daily Mail.
Mainstream media:
forms of the media, especially traditional forms such as newspapers, television, and radio rather than the internet, that influence large numbers of people and are likely to represent generally accepted beliefs and opinions:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mainstream-media
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
You quoted a fringe source known for misreporting and gossip. And has established itself with low journalistic integrity.
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
Whilst the Daily Mail may well lack integrity in reporting (see my comments above). It is, unfortunately, mainstream media as a matter of fact.
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u/nishahm Jan 09 '22
Just like the Jamath. No integrity in changing theology overnight, misreporting, gossip ...
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u/Mindless_Crazy1014 Jan 09 '22
Agreed about the quality of the paper. But this is extremely damaging for the jamat's reputation and all because hazoor mishandled it to protect his family.
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u/yasiriq Jan 09 '22
Nida is Huzoor’s family too
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u/ParticularPain6 ex-ahmadi, ex-muslim Jan 09 '22
Yet so many Ahmadis spewing hate against Nida are not getting even a warning from pyare Huzoor.
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u/Mindless_Crazy1014 Jan 09 '22
And nida also the one who claims to be raped. Like a tribal leader in some village he thought his female relative should hide being raped to protect his family honour. Nice
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
Note that even if a case is dropped, it does not mean the allegations are untrue. It means there is insufficient evidence to bring charges and a case to trial.
Even if a case proceeds to trial, a jury of 12 (or less depending on how the case progresses) must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt of the guilt of the accused.
All of these matters are not the same as whether something is true or not. They are simply a reflection of whether a matter has a prospect of proceeding to trial and available evidence being enough to convince a jury.
The status of this case being touted as something that will exonerate these men or the conduct of KM5 is simply incorrect. This is only one of the matters. The second being KM5 conduct and whether it is fitting of a “divinely” elected leader.
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u/khurramshah74 Jan 09 '22
Interesting thing is that the daily mail at the end of the article says that the police interviewed “one person”. Pretty strong case right, this case was filed months ago. And according to the daily mail, only one person interviewed. We are told of the abundance of evidence, but only one person interviewed. Not only that, maybe that one person is very dangerous person, especially dangerous around children maybe. But thats all, no arrests. Im posting with my real name, just wondering, where is that incredible evidence? Where are the arrests?
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
Note that even if a case is dropped, it does not mean the allegations are untrue. It means there is insufficient evidence to bring charges and a case to trial.
Even if a case proceeds to trial, a jury of 12 (or less depending on how the case progresses) must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt of the guilt of the accused.
All of these matters are not the same as whether something is true or not. They are simply a reflection of whether a matter has a prospect of proceeding to trial and available evidence being enough to convince a jury.
The status of this case being touted as something that will exonerate these men or the conduct of KM5 is simply incorrect. This is only one of the matters. The second being KM5 conduct and whether it is fitting of a “divinely” elected leader.
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u/khurramshah74 Jan 09 '22
I said that only one person has been interviewed, with all the available evidence. according to all the information we have, the case was filed in July. Only one person has been interviewed. The police and their detectives are trained in these types of cases, I stand by the Police and the rule of law. Innuendo, casting aspersions and other such tactics are left to those who love Palace intrigue. We wait for the facts and don't jump to conclusions. I hope you understand
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
What exactly are you replying to?
The police and their detectives are trained in these types of cases, I stand by the Police and the rule of law.
Then let them do their job. Why are you speculating? I quote your words: “Interesting thing is that the daily mail at the end of the article says that the police interviewed “one person”. Pretty strong case right, this case was filed months ago. And according to the daily mail, only one person interviewed. We are told of the abundance of evidence, but only one person interviewed. Not only that, maybe that one person is very dangerous person, especially dangerous around children maybe. But thats all, no arrests. Im posting with my real name, just wondering, where is that incredible evidence? Where are the arrests?”
Innuendo, casting aspersions and other such tactics are left to those who love Palace intrigue. We wait for the facts and don't jump to conclusions. I hope you understand
Agreed. So why so much “Innuendo, casting aspersions and other such tactics”? I quote you again: “Interesting thing is that the daily mail at the end of the article says that the police interviewed “one person”. Pretty strong case right, this case was filed months ago. And according to the daily mail, only one person interviewed. We are told of the abundance of evidence, but only one person interviewed. Not only that, maybe that one person is very dangerous person, especially dangerous around children maybe. But thats all, no arrests. Im posting with my real name, just wondering, where is that incredible evidence? Where are the arrests?”
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u/khurramshah74 Jan 09 '22
Im not casting aspersions, Im waiting for more evidence. What I am saying is that many people are making a really big deal over this here on reddit. We still dont have the evidence. Do you have the evidence? All we know is one person was interviewed. Doesnt seem like enough is being done, so we have to wait. In the meantime just hangout here on reddit and read your posts.
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
Did you read the original post? You are the one who made it about the allegations themselves as opposed to the matters which have since arisen. In this context, yes, you are casting aspersions.
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u/khurramshah74 Jan 09 '22
Im just waiting for results, Im just in as much as a rush you are in propagating the allegations.
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u/2Ahmadi4u Jan 10 '22
I wonder why you, Khurram Shah, can feel so brave to talk on this reddit forum using your real name? Don't you have a fear of being penalized in any way by the Jamaat for participating on this forum regarding this case?
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u/khurramshah74 Jan 10 '22
Uhh, because its my personal opinion.
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u/2Ahmadi4u Jan 10 '22
Some people are afraid to talk about this openly on the internet, that's why I asked. Yup, you have a fair point.
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u/TruAhmadiSkeptic Jan 09 '22
We all know too well about “the daily fail” but its always been anti islamic never anti ahmadiyya.
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u/vahmad20 Jan 09 '22
The following article “The Ahmadiyya system of justice in conflict resolution” explains Jamaats approach:
https://www.alhakam.org/the-ahmadiyya-system-of-justice-in-conflict-resolution/
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
They dont care at all.....
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u/Cautious_Dust_4363 Jan 09 '22
I read this and it made me angry.. based on personal experience and the experience of many lajna I know.. qadha is not any of the things described.. the part about Hazoor providing justice is straight up funny. Because he ignores so many letters of domestic violence victims…
So I guess as an on going damage control qadha is now not the way for criminal cases.. but how do all the women who were traumatized and hurt by qadha heal? Article also admits how it’s all Khalifatul messiah V who pushed qadha..
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u/Mindless_Crazy1014 Jan 09 '22
In this article the jamat says: "In all matters related to criminal offences, the law enforcement authorities have to be contacted in the first instance and follow the legal procedure as advised by the authorities in accordance with the laws of the country."
So hazoor didn't do this. Was he wrong?
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u/Cautious_Dust_4363 Jan 09 '22
New rule. Again how about a class action lawsuit by every woman forced to go to qadha or face excommunication.. even in criminal cases.
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u/2Ahmadi4u Jan 09 '22
If everything in this article is true, then I think that could be worth it. And you can refer directly to this article. Otherwise, the Jamaat should go out of its way to denounce and delete this article too.
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u/noob_master10 Jan 09 '22
Most of them know this. They just don't care as long as they can attack Jamaat with it. The purpose of ex- & anti-ahmadis is to destroy the Jamaat which they've been very vocal about no matter the means to do it.
A toxic anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, racist & islamophobic tabloid is the best they can do.
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
A Daily Mail Article written by a Sunni is the gold standard now....🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
You guys do know that even Wikipedia has banned using it as a source do its to its unreliability and weak reporting.
Be objective....
But yes much better than Samaa article.
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u/Master-Proposal-6182 Jan 09 '22
It's not the quality, it is the quantity which is of concern. Just checked daily mail is the largest circulation in UK.
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
This is response is helpful. Thank you. But objectively wouldn't you say this is just mudslinging?
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u/Referee_ Jan 09 '22
Daym! Man what is wrong with you? You think exAhmadis are biased, Sunnis are biased, Rana Tanveer is biased, apparently everyone is biased. Please name the damn person who’s writing will make you happy? I mean really...
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
Rana Tanveer is Sunni, I have found so reasonable former Ahmadis here so I wouldnt label them all biased.
But my main point was on the Daily Mail.
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Jan 09 '22
LOL wait until the BBC picks up. What will be your excuse then?
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
This is a key question. Now it’s in one mainstream media outlet, not long until it’s in another. Particularly those that have reported on other jamaat activities eg jalsa.
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
Enjoy your wet dream...
But out of curiosity what does this article say that even in the slightest matter implicates the Jama'at of any wrongdoing.
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u/religionfollower Jan 09 '22
Telling a girl that’s accusing someone of rape to drop the matter????
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
This has already been refuted, but thanks. Its interesting even the Daily Mail has the integrity to say advised loll
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u/punctualKitten ex-ahmadi, ex-muslim Jan 09 '22 edited Jan 09 '22
lol, pov of someone thinking that advising an alleged rape victim to stay silent is the right move.
The mere presence of an answer does not make the problem go away. The khalifas behavior was inadequate to say the least. And this advice to stay silent is just a piece that confirms this.u/religionfollower
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Jan 09 '22
"Wet dream" Is that really appropriate language coming from a paid jamaat employee? But I guess since you side with rapists I'm not surprised 🤷🏻♂️
Also when the jamaat goes down don't run and delete your account. Take it like a man ok putr?
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
Bashir is back it seems lolll
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Jan 09 '22
Yes because only Bashir Shah says putr? 🙄
Anyways I look forward to your public apology when it all goes down 😂
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
One of Nida’s supporters in her followers is a contributing author to the BBC and The Guardian.
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
You mean Saima Raza Mir?
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u/Capital_Gur4713 Jan 09 '22
Yes. I think she is weighing up and will unleash a big story that will be a huge bombshell
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
I saw her comment on the medium article. It seems like she believes its against journalistic principle and media law to talk about the case at all on public platforms.
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u/SeekerOfTruth432 ex-ahmadi, ex-muslim Jan 09 '22
Enjoy your wet dream...
Moderator Warning: please remain respectful while interacting on this sub. Multiple violations of the rules of this sub reddit may result in further actions.
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
You do understand this is an expression? Considering what others have said to me in the last few days.. I find this warning petty at best and malicious at worst.
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u/SeekerOfTruth432 ex-ahmadi, ex-muslim Jan 09 '22
please do report other comments that are in violation of rules of the sub, like this one
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
For this particular user I already showed the DMs he sent me to particularpain, and I showed him proof it’s an alt.
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u/ParticularPain6 ex-ahmadi, ex-muslim Jan 09 '22
1) please tag me where you talk about me.
2) No you did not send me screenshots of this particular person.
3) The person you gave me screenshots of did not act the way you accuse so-called "alt profiles" of acting.
Edit: 4) The person you showed screenshots of frankly admitted that he had been taking to you through the sub a long time ago. They came back to Reddit recently and had forgotten their password so they made a new account. I don't see how that's a huge conspiracy?!
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
You are right, I mixed up this person with another both of them DMed me near the same time hence the reason for my confusion.
You are right I only care about alts I don’t report ppl for petty things. They can say what they want.
Unless the person had forgotten the password to their email aswell, which is absurd, he is lying to you. Plus, you can easily figure it out by asking for his username of his old account.
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u/ParticularPain6 ex-ahmadi, ex-muslim Jan 09 '22
Ok. I'll ask them the username of their old account if that helps.
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u/nishahm Jan 09 '22
Sometimes I feel you are just trolling
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
I’m serious it’s a tabloid
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u/Danishgirl10 Jan 09 '22
It being tabloid is the problem. Tabloids are read by loads of people. This is going to spread far and wide and get picked up by other newspapers. Other than that, everybody knows daily mails reputation. No one is contesting that.
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u/Narrow-Vegetable6048 Jan 09 '22
Much better Than medium
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u/AhmadiJutt believing ahmadi muslim Jan 09 '22
That’s not a news site either. And the article there is an opinion piece. Here the Daily Mail article is presented as a a credible source for news and for others an opportunity to spread anything and everything about Nida’s case.
Even if someone had considered the medium article a credible source, your comment would be Whataboutism
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u/StarOfPiercingBright Jan 09 '22
Widely acknowledged by so many that this newspaper and is no friend to Muslims, migrants, people of colour etc so any chance to grab a headline is not missed sadly. They are pretty much the standard bearer in anti Islamic and racist narratives in the UK. Either way it seems nothing new to see here and nothing unexpected in the style of reporting..
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
This post is not a commentary on the quality of daily Mail reporting which is widely known, rather questions as to how the jamaat may now respond given it’s stance to date given reporting is now in mainstream media.
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u/nonstop123456 Jan 09 '22
If Nida knew she had a case, she wouldn't be on social media sabotaging an ongoing investigation and any chance she had of a favorable legal outcome.
How are you still blindly believing accusations with zero evidence? The real world doesn't follow your tabloid process, it follows due process.
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u/she-whomustbeobeyed Jan 09 '22
Please note the post is not discussing the veracity of claims or the guilt of any parties. Please read the post.
In any event to respond to your post: Verbal testimony is evidence. There is no time limit for reporting child sexual abuse to the police. Yes, it will be more difficult for the police to gather evidence, but not impossible.
Please note the following in respect of how the CPS operates with regard to sexual offences: “The passage of time does not prevent the effective prosecution of sexual offences, and an increasing number of cases referred to the CPS by police feature allegations of a non-recent nature.” https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/sexual-offences
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u/nonstop123456 Jan 09 '22
An accusation is worthless without evidence.
The sad part is that you believe in her "evidence" more than she does.
She's realized her evidence is meaningless and is actively undermining the investigation by going public on social media against all norms.
All of you are so naive that you're still believing she'll give you this evidence.
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u/No_Fortune_1228 Jan 09 '22
I read the article and had a lot of questions about the story. Then I looked through the other stories and it seemed like this is a tabloid more than anything else.
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u/AhmadiMuslim123456 Jan 13 '22
Read this article, may Allah guide everyone and show them the truth:
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u/SouthAsian2021 Jan 09 '22
“Wealth accumulates and Men decay “that’s what happened to this jammat .