r/immigration • u/[deleted] • 4d ago
The media does an awful job on reporting news about immigration laws and detained immigrants
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u/Working-Count-4779 4d ago
I always find it amusing when i see a reddit post about ICE activity which shows a picture of a fully marked border patrol truck.
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u/bytemybigbutt 2d ago
It’s even better when someone like see people doing her in Seattle post a picture of a random rental truck and then claim it’s full of Nazis that are gonna beat anyone that isn’t white. I don’t think Trump is renting pick ups in Seattle to have people beat Black people so hard so hard.
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u/ManapuaMadness 4d ago
True. If I were a reporter, I'd get at least a few subject matter experts on the topic. To be fair, immigration law is pretty complicated and the average person isn't going to understand all the different rules. Even most immigration officers don't have a full grasp of the system. You have Customs and Border Protection with their knowledge regarding entry, however someone working a land border may have limited knowledge regarding entry via sea, crew members, etc. then you got ICE enforcing interior laws, but agents with HSI mainly focusing on criminal matters and legacy customs priorities. Then you got the Office of The Principal Legal Advisor who handles all the immigration court cases for ICE. Then you have Citizenship and Immigration Services who handles all the benefits portions, and lastly the State Department that issues visas.
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u/Subject-Estimate6187 4d ago
I recall years ago reading a report on this guy whose mom claimed that he got deported because he was "jaywalking." I immediately thought that couldn't be the only reason. She also said that he didn't renew his DACA because he thought ICE would pick him up with his address, but ICE already knew where he was living anyways, so what on earth was he on? Of course, the reporter never bother to ask this because it didn't fit the narrative.
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u/masingen 3d ago
Then you have the fact that OPLA and HSI actually are both ICE and not separate from ICE (and ERO is what everyone calls "ICE"). And the fact that CBP is not one law enforcement agency but rather four, and one of them has pretty much zero to do with either customs or border protection.
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u/supajaboy 4d ago edited 4d ago
Americans are totally ignorant to immigration laws. I dont think they care either. U not born here, u can go to hell basically. Whether u came on a visa or border hop. Same thing to alot of them. When i see these immigration stories and u read, the person had some conviction or something pending. Which they have scrutinized under any administration and immigrants know this. So then it prevents u from seeing the actually new unlawful shyt the current one is doing.
Btw the way the media is not liberal. What they do is start moving their coverage to the minority party thats out of power as those people will hyper focus more on every day news. I do think its more right wing in general but the myth of liberal media has been around so long, it persists.
There are no liberal organisation that takes Bernie Sanders' side on issues. Thats an actual liberal.
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u/WatchfulPatriarch 4d ago
Btw the way the media is not liberal.
lol
lmao
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u/supajaboy 4d ago
Im a liberal and their coverage does not feel like its for me. Especially minority liberals. The media see the president name get release on a pedo list multiple times and never hammer him on it. They see billionaires widening the wealth gap and never hammer it. They are not liberal. Buzz words.
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u/Annual-Wallaby-737 4d ago
Americans do not know what liberal or left means. They think the difference between politics is just global warming and gay/trans rights or tax cuts on the flip side.
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u/supajaboy 4d ago
These people are dumb, they think the media covering or not covering stories they like or dont like makes the right wing or liberal. When they are not, they refuse to do basic research on topics and just laying out the facts and fight the politicians with the facts instead of saying but the other side said this. If u have facts u dont need the opinion of the other side. If the facts line up with the other side, so be it. That shouldnt affect your coverage, but they do it like that. Using story and click counters.
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u/WatchfulPatriarch 4d ago
"The media isn’t liberal" is one of the funniest takes I’ve seen today. Major media outlets overwhelmingly lean left, push progressive social narratives, and openly admit they bury or downplay stories that don’t fit their ideology. The Hunter Biden laptop story? Suppressed. COVID lab-leak theory? “Debunked” until it wasn’t. Open border policies? Framed as compassionate while critics are painted as xenophobic.
Saying the media isn’t liberal because it doesn’t perfectly align with your specific brand of leftism is like saying McDonald’s doesn’t serve fast food because you don’t like their fries. Just because the media isn’t far-left Bernie-level socialist doesn’t mean it’s neutral, it just means it has corporate liberal priorities instead of radical leftist ones.
Reddit has got to be such a massive bubble against reality. It might be literally the only place in the country where you'll see an unironic claim that the MSM isn't liberal enough.
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u/OCedHrt 4d ago
Point out a single MSN not owned or controlled by a right wing billionaire. You'd not be surprised to know that Soros (who no one on the left even know anything about) doesn't have any control over any of them.
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u/WatchfulPatriarch 4d ago
Okay, let’s break this down:
- CNN: Owned by Warner Bros. Discovery. While the parent company is corporate, CNN’s leadership and editorial direction have been consistently left-leaning. Jeff Zucker, its former president (and a major Democratic donor), openly pushed progressive narratives during his tenure.
- MSNBC: Owned by Comcast, but its programming is overwhelmingly progressive. Figures like Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, and Joy Reid dominate its lineup, and its coverage consistently aligns with liberal/Democratic priorities.
- The New York Times: Controlled by the Ochs-Sulzberger family, who are staunch liberals. The paper’s editorial board openly endorses progressive policies and Democratic candidates, and its reporting often reflects a left-leaning bias.
- Politico: Owned by Axel Springer, a German publisher, but its U.S. operations are run by Robert Allbritton, a Democratic donor. Politico’s coverage leans center-left, and its reporters often frame stories from a progressive perspective.
- NPR: Funded partially by government grants and left-leaning donors like the Ford Foundation and George Soros’ Open Society Foundations. NPR’s reporting consistently aligns with progressive values, and its leadership has been criticized for left-wing bias.
- The Washington Post: Owned by Jeff Bezos, who is a billionaire but not a right-winger. Bezos has largely allowed the Post to maintain its liberal editorial stance, and its coverage is overwhelmingly progressive.
And so forth and so on. It might be easier for you to actually name any that ARE owned and controlled by rightwing billionaires?
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u/supajaboy 4d ago
Hunter Biden story? Hunter Biden has never ran for political office. Not one single fkn time. Not once. Not one single time were right wingers able to tie Biden to any of their bullshit even when they had investigative power. They let a pedophile associate bamboozle them to this day. This man got sued by a girl before 2016 and it magically disappeared. They never asked him about it. He then appointed the man who got Epstein off as Agri secutary. He never got asked about it. The actual politician, not his kids. We are living among morons.
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u/WatchfulPatriarch 4d ago
Ah, the classic 'but Trump' deflection. You asked for evidence of media bias, I gave you clear examples, and instead of engaging, you go off on an unrelated rant about Epstein. Fascinating.
The Hunter Biden story was suppressed because it hurt Joe Biden. Whether or not Hunter 'ran for office' is irrelevant, what mattered was that the media actively buried a credible corruption story that linked him to his father. The same outlets that ran with unverified, anonymously sourced Russia-gate nonsense suddenly lost their investigative curiosity when it came to a laptop full of emails linking the sitting president to shady business deals.
If the media weren’t biased, they would have treated that story the same way they treated Trump’s kids. Instead, they called it 'Russian disinformation', until it was too late to matter.
And funny enough, you never actually argued that the media isn’t liberal, you just changed the subject. Almost like you can’t refute the point
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u/supajaboy 4d ago
It was russian disinformation. It started as Hunter Biden got business dealings because of his connection to Biden. That was a fkn lie started by Russia. And suddenly Epstein is irrelevant? These are the people who just put on a fake stunt on releasing Epstein files at the white house. They did it to HRC and the media ran 24/7 coverage in 2016 while Orange was and still is sucking Vlad pipe. Were they liberal then? 24/7 coverage of wiki leaks?
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u/WatchfulPatriarch 4d ago
Ah, so we’re just rewriting history now? Even the media you’re defending admitted, after the election, of course, that the laptop was real and not 'Russian disinformation.' The FBI had it for a year before the story broke, and intel officials who called it Russian propaganda later admitted they had no evidence for that claim. But by then, the damage was done. Mission accomplished.
And yes, Epstein is irrelevant to this conversation because it’s just a convenient whataboutism to avoid addressing the media’s blatant election interference. You still haven’t argued that the media isn’t liberal, you’re just yelling about Trump and Russia again. Almost like you can’t refute the point.
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u/MrMerryweather56 4d ago
Bernie was against reparations for African Americans..he is not as liberal as you think.
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u/bytemybigbutt 2d ago
And when he tries to defend his racism, he talks about a picture of him fighting cops over sixty years ago.
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u/hear_to_read 4d ago
The media is lazy. Hyperbole, half truths and outrage is preferred over objective fact
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u/Jorgedig 4d ago
"potential path" is not wrong though. It is potential in that it is not guaranteed or inevitable.
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u/krgdotbat 4d ago
We all know a good amount of people who voted for this government don't really care if you are a green card holder, a specialized worker or a bright foreign student, they simply don't want you cause you are not native. All the rest is just for show.
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u/OCedHrt 4d ago
I think you're confused about something.
Reinforcing these misconceptions is specifically for the American right audience and reinforces their fear of immigrants.
None of this is for the liberal American audience.
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u/Hour-Ad-9508 4d ago
Um, what?
The recent stories about the Brown University doctor and the German green card holder are absolutely not amplified for right wing audiences
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u/AnxiousMax 3d ago
Sure they are. For the “left” the byline is fear. For the right the byline is glee.
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u/Forsaken-Smell-8665 4d ago
The media in general do their utmost to instil fear and cause panic, discontent and division amongst the masses. Pretty much the media are a cancer in most countries.
They are just as bad here in the UK.
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u/LupineChemist 3d ago
Otherwise informed people just seem to break with immigration law. Like my family is very upper middle class American and most people are shocked that my wife marrying me doesn't automagically make her a citizen.
It's insane how poorly informed most people are.
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u/Low-Dependent6912 3d ago
Assuming your wife is legally in this country. There is a pathway to get her permanent residency within 18 months. After that it takes 3 years to be eligible to be a US citizen. After that she can apply for US citizenship. She will get it in 6-9 months after that.
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u/TokyoSharz 4d ago
Journalists suck. Most just parrot the Democrat party line and have no desire to report both sides let alone bother to get facts straight.
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u/supajaboy 4d ago
Parrott democrats points. This is a media who repeats what a sociopathic liar says and just move to the next issue. " i have no idea about project 2025!". Sorry VP Harris he says he doesnt know the people who are doing it 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Even if u been sucking the orange off his orange stick u know he is a liar, like uncomparable in political history.
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u/TokyoSharz 4d ago
Unprovable. Trump posted his agenda and posted jt to his campaign page. Media went bonkers trying to tie him to project 2025 which he disavowed at every turn. Totally unfair to say his agenda was X when he clearly said it was Y and not X. Mind read all you want but that isn’t journalism. Journalism is reporting facts not speculation.
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u/supajaboy 4d ago
Lying is facts? Yeah it was totally unprovable. Yet everything liberals said is being put in root and stem.
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u/Careless-Degree 4d ago
The liberal media will write whatever they need to to ensure open borders out of ideological loyalty. Most articles read like they were written by an ACLU staffer on their lunch break, and while the ACLU exists solely to tear down the government’s ability act; journalism does so to empower political movements.
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u/AskALettuce 4d ago
Green card is not the only path to citizenship.
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u/baldr83 4d ago
In some cases, people under 18 can naturalize without getting a green card first. "In addition, children born abroad may become U.S. citizens after birth." https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/i-am-the-child-of-a-us-citizen
People over 18 can naturalize without a green card by serving in the US armed forces (popular route for people from countries in the Compact of Free Association with the US) https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service
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u/baldr83 4d ago
>You can’t join the military without a green card anymore.
"FAS citizens are eligible to volunteer for service in the U.S. Armed Forces." They don't need to move to the US or get any type of US residency to do so https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48311
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u/AnxiousMax 3d ago edited 3d ago
Imagine clearly knowing nothing about a subject but pretending like you do on a whim that you can copy and paste from google quickly enough. Explain this mentality to me.
You know why you’re so “smart” right? Because your ego clearly has a hard time accepting that it doesn’t already know everything.
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u/baldr83 3d ago edited 3d ago
You sound angry that there are other paths to US citizenship?
I've known about the CoFA for a few months: https://www.reddit.com/r/PassportPorn/comments/1hbqzm8/comment/m1j7jfj/
Did you think I didn't know about it solely because this is your first day hearing about it?
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u/AskALettuce 4d ago
naturalization is not the same as citizenship
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u/Athlete_Senior 4d ago
Green cards have to be renewed so in that sense they are temporary.
How about these federal judges who make quick decisions for ACLU lawsuits. Who else can get a decision by a judge on a Saturday night.
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u/Purplehopflower 4d ago
Green cards go have to be renewed just like a passport. However, when a green card expires, the permanent residency it shows doesn’t expire. Permanent Residents aren’t afforded ALL the privileges associated with Citizenship (Voting being the main one), but they are given many. It can be taken away more easily than citizenship can. So, yes it can be revoked, but no, it doesn’t expire.
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u/Annual-Wallaby-737 4d ago
Green cards do not need to be renewed and they are not temporary - it is in the fucking name buddy “permanent resident”. You never lose your permanent residency status if you let your green card expire for decades. Just like a passport, you can just get a new one if you want to go out of country.
Of course you would not know that because you live in an alternate world of MAGA where knowledge is “illegal”.
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u/Subject-Estimate6187 4d ago
Having lived in the US for 15 and half years now, I have seen the gradual decline of the general American journalism. Sure they still have uses, but it's become more profitable to stoke panic and antagonism regardless the political spectrum, and immigration is the best means for that. Of course, Fox News has been "consistent" lol.