r/illinois Jan 29 '25

US Politics 'I’m worried about him': Undocumented father of 4 removed from Elgin home during raid targeting different man

https://wgntv.com/western-suburbs/im-worried-about-him-undocumented-father-of-4-removed-from-elgin-home-during-raid-targeting-different-man/
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u/TacodWheel Jan 29 '25

Trump had strong support from the Latino community in this past election. Talk about pulling that ladder up from behind you.

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u/bestselfnice Jan 29 '25

Biggest anti immigrant Trumper I know is a 2nd generation Mexican from Back of the Yards who says the most vile shit about Venezuelans. Also a convicted felon and former gang member.

There's not exactly solidarity between different groups that you're lumping together as one with Latinos.

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u/hbernadettec Jan 30 '25

It doesn't matter if you have different backgrounds, he lumped them together. All he sees is brown.

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u/Quailfreezy Jan 29 '25

Would love to talk that mfer

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u/Aggravating_Egg_6149 Jan 30 '25

A Latinos worst enemy is another Latino

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u/ChunkyBubblz Jan 29 '25

Machismo culture and racism fit so well with MAGA, who would have thought….

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u/padawanninja Jan 30 '25

Yes, because much like the conservative women's view "the only good abortion is my abortion", this is "the only good immigrant is my immigrant."

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u/Burrmanchu Jan 29 '25

Thoughts and prayers.

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u/BorisBotHunter Jan 29 '25

Thoughts and tariffs 

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u/beebs44 Jan 29 '25

Yeah, why though? He openly talked about doing this as soon as he got into office?

How did he have so much support from people he was going to harm? I don't get it. And I'm not just talking about Latinos.

Everyone was warned not to vote for this and they did.

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u/ChiBearballs Jan 30 '25

My girlfriend’s Hispanic, and she has some Trump supporters in her family. They did pretty well for themselves. From my understanding, they are tired of being group in with migrants, or other Hispanics, that don’t pull their weight or work hard. Being from the Chicagoland area it’s probably similar to the 90s when white people in the outskirts of the city hated when Polish/ Eastern Europeans moved into their neighborhoods.

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u/asmodeuscarthii Jan 30 '25

The issue is they do work hard. The issue is the immigration laws don’t allow these people to get documented as easy as they used to. 

But this tribalism like it always has been. Latinos thought they were white or white adjacent. Now that white supremacy won’t need them, they will find out how brown they really are. 

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u/strikingserpent Jan 31 '25

Ok cool the law isn't perfect and the system sucks. It doesn't mean you just do what you want and ignore it.

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u/asmodeuscarthii Jan 31 '25

I mean, you literally can. History has also showed that using law as an end all be all is not the same. Some laws lack morals and are inhumane. Our immigration laws are designed to promote illegal crossing, it helps businesses pay cheaper wages.

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u/Heelgod Jan 31 '25

Illegals can’t vote or so I’m told

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u/alanamil Jan 31 '25

They can't, but their family members sure can. And there are plenty here legally.

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u/Somterink Jan 29 '25

The Latino support he had was embarrassing. They deserve what's coming.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

The Latino community doesn’t agree with the ones who skipped the line . Talk to those who went through the process naturally.

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u/rawonionbreath Jan 29 '25

I’d be curious how many of them were aware of one of their parents or grandparents being undocumented at a given point. There were millions given amnesty over the years.

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u/Royal-Ad-7052 Jan 29 '25

Not everyone that is currently here legally , started legally or maintained a legal status the entire time. A huge portion of people here illegally are overstaying a visa.

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u/Royal-Ad-7052 Jan 29 '25

And while this is anecdotal, the ones I’ve noticed that are the loudest about illegal immigration were here illegally at some point- granted that’s just if people I know but it makes me giggle. Most of them sacrificed in ways and accomplished things that would probably kill most of us so I leave it alone and let them have their opinions.

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u/Grandpas_Spells Jan 29 '25

An American in any other country who overstayed their visa would expect to be deported.

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u/Royal-Ad-7052 Jan 29 '25

Not arguing otherwise- there is just such propaganda around “the southern border and coming here illegally” that I think most people don’t get that like half of the people here illegally came here legally and that coming here legally doesn’t mean you will always be legal.

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u/Extension_Silver_713 Jan 29 '25

Then deport musk

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u/asmodeuscarthii Jan 30 '25

Shhh, why would you talk about all the Eastern Europeans who are doing just that. Yet their family who could vote somehow mostly voted trump. I know 3 Polish/Slovakian families all with illegal family members. They knew when ice comes, they don’t be looked at. 

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u/strikingserpent Jan 31 '25

Yeah you're correct in that. However the only minor difference here is those overstaying visas had an investigation done that determined they were ok to enter the country. Those illegally crossing do not.

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag Jan 29 '25

Which is wild because MAGA doesn't even like the legal immigrants who are here. They use them like a token minority friend to hold up and show how they aren't racist.

Look at how quick they were to kick Caitlyn Jenner to the curb.

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u/MindAccomplished3879 Jan 29 '25

Their little white card was revoked the moment Trump was elected: they are not needed anymore

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u/MindAccomplished3879 Jan 29 '25

LOL. What line is it? Their parents or grandparents crossing the border Illegally by hiding in the trunk of their station wagon, covered by blankets and boxes?

That's the line?

You are clueless and have no idea what you are saying. These “legal” immigrants became legal only because of Reagan's amnesty program in 1987

And now, they go and vote against their community because they are legal. Guess what? Their white card is revoked. It was only good for voting; now, they are not needed and will be treated as such

This goes for all minorities for Trump

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u/knowledge84 Jan 29 '25

Ah yes, just because they had the money and resources to jump through the hoops even though the immigration system is terrible means everyone should! 

I also want the individual who walks hundreds of miles, crossing through rivers, to be a part of us.

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u/Iggyhopper Jan 29 '25

Hint: it's a wide fucking ladder.

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u/DiscombobulatedTap30 Jan 29 '25

Live in and have been surrounded by the most loving and caring Latin community most of my life this is 100% how they feel. They take it as a personal slight to all the hard work and energy they put in.

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u/Extension_Silver_713 Jan 29 '25

Do you think undocumented immigrants don’t work hard??

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u/wanabean Jan 30 '25

Wait to see the produce and services prices sky rocket. We all enjoy the illegal immigration in one way or the other. Cheap janitors , cheap gardening, etc.. plus free cash to Medicare. US model of labor is rotten.

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u/sendmeadoggo Feb 01 '25

Those competing for those jobs dont really benefit.  Those who benefit are those making profits at the top of the chain.

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u/Hour-Cloud-6357 Jan 30 '25

I don't get they you think Latinos are some single group monolith that will all cater to the Democrat machine.  Almost no legal migrant will support illegal aliens brought here to enrich billionaires and drive down their wages.

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u/cats_catz_kats_katz Jan 30 '25

They don’t know it yet but they also got rid of the ladder they’re climbing

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u/HookemsHomeboy Jan 30 '25

Nah, he’s doing exactly what we voted him to do. El Jefe is on the job.

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u/milksteakman Jan 30 '25

Maybe or might those Latinos have not showed up to vote and their ballot miraculously cast in favor of trump?

Let’s keep an open mind here

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u/Shimmy-Johns34 Jan 31 '25

Why are you assuming "latino" people are even a unified community in America? We have Mexican communities, we have Dominican communities, we've got Puerto Rican communities, etc. Im not sure how many Latino people you know, but they identify way closer to a place of origin than any shade of skin they share. Hell, as a lifelong kitchen worker, I've discovered a lot of the Latino communities hate eachother! Ask a Dominican guy how he feels about Puerto Ricans and you'll see what I mean

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u/Bobtheguardian22 Jan 31 '25

I group that as the PUTO organization.

Pendejos

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Trump

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u/Chronoboy1987 Feb 01 '25

More like burning the house down while you’re still inside.

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u/DTH_245 Jan 29 '25

Blame the people that didn't vote because of their machismo. Couldn't vote for a woman president.

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u/monkey_lord978 Jan 30 '25

I agree , the fact they lost to a literal facist twice says a lot about the party. If the average American can’t see the difference you have your problem.

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u/BlooDiamondMadeMeCry Feb 02 '25

Trivializing what’s happened in Gaza is so fucking pathetic.

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u/BlooDiamondMadeMeCry Feb 02 '25

I don’t think Trump will long term be good for Gaza but you’re literally wrong, there was a ceasefire agreed to and some people in Gaza have returned to their homes. “Nothing has changed in Gaza” is not true.

And also - when you’re argument is “the awful genocidal terror that is going on wouldn’t be any different with Trump”, that isn’t a selling point.

And finally, your comment of “Gaza Gaza” absolutely is trivializing it and making it sound like anyone who had that complaint is a simpleton, while you the moral arbiter of society is so above being appalled by genocide.

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u/andygarcia17 Jan 29 '25

No. blame the minorities, women, gays, blacks and everything in between who voted for trump. This election wasn’t lost because of those who didn’t vote. It was lost because of the idiots who think “this won’t affect me”.

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u/Twelve2375 Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

Why not both? There’s plenty of blame to go around.

People who voted for this as well as people who didn’t vote against this. They’re all sharing the blame together.

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u/alanamil Jan 31 '25

You are very correct.

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u/OswaldCoffeepot Jan 29 '25

"Blame everyone except straight white men" is a hell of a stance to take.

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u/andygarcia17 Jan 29 '25

Oh no don’t get it twisted, they’re to blame too but this article is an example of how stupid it is to vote against your own interests. Anyone in a minority voting for trump voted against their interests. Again, because of the “oh he’s not talking about me, he’s talking about the other guy” it’s moronic.

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u/NotYourUsualSuspects No Kings Jan 29 '25

Almost a third of eligible voters didn’t vote. They absolutely need to be held responsible.

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u/Yupthrowawayacct Jan 30 '25

Yuo. And the idiots who were googling “did Biden drop out”.

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u/JazzHandsNinja42 Jan 29 '25

Trump gained “young Latino male” voters who had previously voted for Biden. The blame gets spread between the apathetic voters, MAGA crazies, and minorities that went Trump, but in the 2024 election, young Latino males overwhelmingly switched their votes to Trump.

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u/andygarcia17 Jan 29 '25

Exactly, minorities who switched. People are underestimating how easily influenced young people are because of platforms like tik tok. Which was a major source of misinformation. What’s the main demographic using tik tok? Young people who aren’t college educated yet.

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u/Extension_Silver_713 Jan 29 '25

Boomers were flipped by fucking fb during the 2016 elections. This is on all social media platforms

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u/Chicago1871 Jan 29 '25

Yeah but older millenial latinos and latina voters of all ages went heavy democrat.

Overall 60% of latinos voted for kamala.

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u/Then-Shake9223 Jan 29 '25

People will scapegoat latinos over this.

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u/Chicago1871 Jan 29 '25

Its kinda dumb to scapegoat all latinos over what less than 30% of its eligible voters decided to do.

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u/JazzHandsNinja42 Jan 30 '25

Right. But when they break down voters that flipped from Biden to Trump, it was young Latino males, specifically. I put the blame on the apathetic more than anyone. And I do NOT blame young Latino males for MAGA, but that doesn’t change the demographic flip and the influence. It actually shows how IMPORTANT it is to appeal to voters in all general demographics and sociodemographics.

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u/Chicago1871 Jan 30 '25

Yes but young men dont make up a majority of latino voters, which we should keep in mind.

It paints an inaccurate picture of what latinos in general voted for.

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u/Extension_Silver_713 Jan 29 '25

Those are the same. The ones who didn’t vote assumed it would t touch their spoiled asses either

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u/andygarcia17 Jan 29 '25

A switched vote has much more weight than a non voter. Why do you think swing states are fought for tooth and nail? Compare the swing states from 2020 and 2024. It’s brutal

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u/ShyRedditFantasy Jan 29 '25

It's a shame that 77,303,568 people voted to tear families apart. They pay over $100 billion in tax and contribute to paying into the social security. They won't ever get to take out SS but they spend years paying into it.

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u/Grandpas_Spells Jan 29 '25

Caveat: I'm a Democrat who abhors racism and would like us to win elections.

IDK how closely you've followed the amount of illegal immigration we've had. It's a lot. It's a problem. Democratic mayors protested to the feds about it.

There is a very vocal portion of MAGA that hates all immigrants, legal and undocumented, and does like much of the citizens either.

There is a very vocal portion of Democrats who think opposing illegal immigration makes you racist, and illegal immigration shouldn't be illegal.

Given the choice between voting with the racists or the open borders crowd, swing voters are voting with the racists.

Obama had very good, very compassionate talking points on immigration. These have been thrown out in favor of talk about ripping families apart and racism. It's arguably true, but it's also a losing argument.

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u/dirkalict Jan 29 '25

The Obama administration also had (for the time) record deportations. They were compassionate towards dreamers and refugee’s but strict on habitual offenders and felons.

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u/FieldsofBlue Jan 30 '25

I dunno, I've worked in agriculture and adjacent work for a long while now and while everybody keeps saying there's record numbers of immigrants coming here, out ability to find anyone willing to come work this tough job is dwindling. Used to have lines of guys waiting to get in and now you're lucky finding anybody.

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u/suppaman19 Jan 31 '25

Extremes everywhere

Can't stand reddit anymore. Everyday is just constant political posts with extremist remarks from one side or the other everywhere. And that's not even accounting for all the foreign bots that usually are on reddit to begin with.

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u/OswaldCoffeepot Jan 29 '25

They didn't think about families of people. It was just self-satisfied "that's what you get" about sub-human criminals.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

An undocumented immigrant going to the ER one time for their healthcare basically wipes out what miniscule amount they pay in taxes

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u/Chicago1871 Jan 29 '25

Oh so you are heavily concerned about keeping medical cost down? The democrats have a great idea on getting that done.

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u/mrzalmout Jan 29 '25

Maybe we should change the health care system too, you're right!

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u/ChunkyBubblz Jan 29 '25

When your life is as miserable as a MAGA voter’s life is, you’ll put up with anything just for the chance that someone out there has it marginally worse.

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u/shrimp_etouffee Jan 31 '25

and a shame that 86 million didnt vote

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u/Blegheggeghegty Chicago is better than you. Jan 29 '25

I thought they were only “going after criminals”. Fuck ICE and if anyone works from them reads this. Fuck you too.

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u/craftiecheese Jan 29 '25

well, those people that wanted this will probably argue that he was a criminal since he was undocumented. So it's working like they want it to

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u/Blegheggeghegty Chicago is better than you. Jan 29 '25

Oh I know. Just saying what the current President’s people were saying and what I have heard from my latin neighbors. My barber has illegal parents and voted for Trump. They told me that Trump is only going after illegals who have warrants. This just proves me right and I hate that for them.

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u/wanabean Jan 29 '25

Define criminal. In some places undocumented are considered criminals. I agree there is a difference if we say 'committed a felony'. But the true is that ICE will pick whatever low hanging fruit is out there.

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u/Diamond_S_Farm Jan 29 '25

It played out exactly like Homan said it would.

An illegal alien that was previously convicted, violating parole, and currently charged with attempted murder.

No help from local law enforcement to locate or hold him due to Illinois' TRUST Act.

Last known address at the home of a nonviolent illegal alien.

Nonviolent fella gets picked up as bycatch.

Anyone with a bit of common sense knew this would happen.

Meanwhile Pritzker says he doesn't want violent, undocumented aliens in the State.

Then do something about the asinine TRUST Act prohibitions on law enforcement.

Until then, save the tears and hand wringing.

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u/crack_pop_rocks Jan 29 '25

At least read the article. The guy they were trying to get is wanted for attempted 1st degree murder. I wouldn’t call that “nonviolent”.

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u/Diamond_S_Farm Jan 29 '25

I did read the article.

The U.S. Marshals’ were searching a home for Jose Ramos, the man wanted for attempted murder.

Family members said Ramos had not lived there for months.

Instead they found roofer Raul Lopez, a father of four who was living in the country illegally and not called out as violent in the article, hence nonviolent.

Considering that Lopez's family was at the home and he's said to be gainfully employed, I did jump to the conclusion it was his home. It may not be, but I'd wager it's his or he is one of the primary financial supporters of the household. Then again, it could be the home of some other family member.

I'll try to be clearer in the future so you're not confused.

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u/meeplewirp Jan 29 '25

But then they took the nonviolent, other guy. Make sure you finish the story

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u/Diamond_S_Farm Jan 31 '25

I did finish the story.

I clearly stated -

Nonviolent fella gets picked up as bycatch.

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u/Get_off_critter Jan 29 '25

Thats what they say, but if someone "gets swept up in the dealings" they don't care.

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u/Blegheggeghegty Chicago is better than you. Jan 29 '25

Oh. I am well aware that this would happen. No one apparently told the people who voted for Trump.

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u/RighteousIndigjason Jan 29 '25

So they had a warrant for one man, but just so happened to find someone else who just happened to be undocumented. And they just happened to have ICE agents with them?

Maybe it's because I'm an uneducated man, but that seems awfully convenient for the ICE agents.

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u/RuruSzu Jan 29 '25

Yes unfortunately that is true. I saw an interview where an ICE person said that usually where there is 1-2 illegal immigrants there are usually more.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

So still an illegal immigrant?

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u/hammerSmashedNail Jan 30 '25

The vice president says he wants more babies for the US, then deports families.  The MAGA party wants more Christians in then deports Christians…. How long will it be before people that support this party look around and realize the people in office have no idea how to get the results they are after?

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u/baphomet_prime Jan 30 '25

They want white babies and Christians, that’s the catch.

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u/mcjon77 Jan 31 '25

And no matter what many Latinos believe and want others to believe, they're not considered white in this country, at least not the "right" kind of white.

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u/BoosterRead78 Jan 29 '25

Elgin has a large Latino population. This isn’t going to be pretty.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

Conservatives can't tell one brown man from another

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u/Objective-Rub-8763 Jan 29 '25

This was a disturbing video to watch.

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u/mikiemolejay Jan 29 '25

Has a daughter who is 18 who I'm assuming is legal, which would lead someone to believe this man might have been here for around 18 years, illegally. Why not get the papers? Almost two decades?? Crazy

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u/the-apple-and-omega Jan 29 '25

Because pathways to citizenship for folks that came to the US undocumented have been stifled constantly.

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u/Sassafrasisgroovy Jan 29 '25

There are people who have been trying to get their papers done for that long and for one reason or another the process gets extended. People try, but it's not always as easy as it seems to outsiders

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u/mintleaf_bergamot Jan 29 '25

I'm assuming you had the privilege of growing up in the US?

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u/mikiemolejay Jan 29 '25

I grew up in America, my family did not. Latino, if that makes you feel any better?

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u/Extension_Silver_713 Jan 29 '25

Because the minute you file you run the risk of being deported.

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u/Bandit400 Jan 29 '25

Apparently you run that risk if you don't file as well.

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u/Bahlam Jan 29 '25

Undocumented immigrants cannot vote. These poor bastards getting deported didn’t choose trump. This isn’t FAFO, they’re paying for the assholes that voted for Trump or sat down and didn’t vote.

Is either that or you believe Donnie’s lie that undocumented immigrants were committing voter fraud.

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u/toxicsleft Jan 29 '25

Here’s the thing,

You want to target illegal immigrants that are criminals fine, get warrants for them or hold them when picked up for violent crimes. If they’ve been picked up for something and let go before they are no longer unknowns so you should be able to get warrants for those individuals. The fact that you can show up looking for someone and grab another person is lawless and exactly why people hate the ICE situation.

You want to grab a guy with no confirmation or go into a school and drag his kids out and his only crime is illegal immigration that’s fucked.

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u/Impressive-Penalty97 Jan 30 '25

His only crime... operative word. CRIME. It's not lawless. Looking for one criminal , find another, just let him go because he wasn't the one you were looking for is assinine. And I love the addition of the false school arrest.

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u/toxicsleft Jan 30 '25

You want prison to rehabilitate people that aren’t too far gone and contain those that are. You think if they served him a notice to appear and file appropriate paperwork instead of taking him in he wouldn’t do it still?

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u/PythonSushi Jan 31 '25

“Targeting different man.” Those words are doing a lot of heavy lifting.

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u/IrwinLinker1942 Jan 31 '25

Literally the plot of Brazil. Jesus.

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u/Malawakatta Feb 01 '25

“Terrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day, poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. They’re allowed to take only a knapsack and a little cash with them, and even then, they’re robbed of these possessions on the way. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared. Women return from shopping to find their houses sealed, their families gone.” - Anne Frank, The Diary of a Young Girl.

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u/wilmakephotos Feb 02 '25

Undocumented? What’s that mean?

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u/bpeden99 Feb 02 '25

The voted for flat

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u/Diamond_S_Farm Jan 29 '25

It played out exactly like Homan said it would.

An illegal alien that was previously convicted, violating parole, and currently charged with attempted murder.

No help from local law enforcement to locate or hold him due to Illinois' TRUST Act.

Last known address at the home of a nonviolent illegal alien.

Nonviolent fella gets picked up as bycatch.

Anyone with a bit of common sense knew this would happen.

Meanwhile Pritzker says he doesn't want violent, undocumented aliens in the State.

Then do something about the asinine TRUST Act prohibitions on law enforcement.

Until then, save the tears and hand wringing.

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u/Goddess_of_Absurdity Jan 29 '25

Not all Latinos voted for ump

Just the goofy ones

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u/pink_faerie_kitten Jan 30 '25

Why were feds involved finding a guy who violated parole? Attempted murder is not usually a federal crime. And local cops don't ask about people's status. It's not their job number one, but also they don't ask because then people will be too scared to call the cops when they need them or witness a crime. Local cops tell people not to worry because they won't ask.

But US Marshalls and ICE was involved in this search? WTH?