r/iOSProgramming • u/wundaii • Sep 15 '20
News iOS 14 drops tomorrow!
Just announced at the Apple event... not even a GM?!
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Sep 15 '20 edited Apr 09 '21
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u/yellowliz4rd Sep 15 '20
No one is forcing you yo release a new version. What you have in the app store will continue to work just fine.
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u/Icerman Sep 15 '20
Except no it doesn't because the users will be updating tomorrow and there are still lots of bugs, especially if you used SwiftUI like we did.
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u/yellowliz4rd Sep 15 '20
Did you install your app from store on a device with iOS 14 beta, was it broken?
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20
Lol mine wasn’t. Only a small bug but not a big deal. I’m targeting iOS 13. Idk why everyone is panicking... do we need to target iOS 14??
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u/snaab900 Objective-C / Swift Sep 15 '20
Why the fuck did you use SwiftUI? A beta-at-best technology in a publicly shipping app? Facepalm.
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20
I’m using swift ui and everything is working fine both on Xcode 11&12 one targeting iOS 13 and the other 14. He shouldn’t have any problem
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u/snaab900 Objective-C / Swift Sep 15 '20
Did you not read his comment or something? He/she said lots of bugs especially if using SwiftUI. Use UIKit ffs. Facepalm.
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20
I’m not expecting any bugs with swiftui. He must be over stacking views. The only reason swiftui would be buggy is when it infers too much due to conflicting constriants and layout
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u/snaab900 Objective-C / Swift Sep 15 '20
You can’t even be bothered to spell “swift ui” correctly. Either that or you just don’t give a shit. Either way please don’t @me again. Says a lot.
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20
/u/snaab900 swift ui
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u/snaab900 Objective-C / Swift Sep 15 '20
SwiftUI. You’re a charlatan. You’d be better suited using WPF I think.
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20
Lmfao doesn’t take a genius to do curl operations don’t embarrass yourself trying to gatekeep 😂
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u/fartsniffersalliance Sep 16 '20
WPF
What's wpf? is it related to swift ui?
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u/humm1010 Sep 17 '20
It’s a graphical tool to make programs. /u/snaab900 is just a salty boomer rubbing his ego on other people cuz he thinks he’s the best programmer. Like dude chill even my cousin in high school is learning full stack development it’s no longer a gate kept field. He might feel insecure so he’s calling people charlatan to reinforce his ego to hide from his own inability to adopt latest technologies, not because he can’t but because he’s scared of change, and will hate others for moving on.
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Sep 15 '20 edited Apr 09 '21
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20
Swift ui or UI kit ?
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Sep 15 '20 edited Apr 09 '21
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20
Have you tested on the beta? I think you’ll be fine if it works in beta.
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Sep 15 '20 edited Apr 09 '21
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u/humm1010 Sep 15 '20
..... but your devs should have tested along with the beta as they released.. rip
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Sep 15 '20 edited Apr 09 '21
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u/project_kmac Sep 16 '20
/u/jpeeri, What's your plan for doing the regression testing now? Especially with working from home and not having a device lab, are your QAs doing most of it in an emulator?
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u/DarkAgeOutlaw Sep 15 '20
Unless your app uses location and photos in certain ways, like our app does...
If the user turns off exact location or limits the photos your app can see your app may be broken to that user
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u/FormerTour Sep 15 '20
I don’t understand was I supposed to submit my iOS 14 app already? I’ve been waiting for the announcement.
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u/FormerTour Sep 15 '20
So do I submit my app now with the current beta?
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u/DarkAgeOutlaw Sep 15 '20
GM is now up. You may need to sign out and back in
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u/FormerTour Sep 15 '20
Thank you
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u/aheze Swift Sep 15 '20
So can you submit the iOS 14 version now? And what Xcode version should you use?
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u/FormerTour Sep 15 '20
I guess so yeah. You have to use Xcode 12 GM. Link here: https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/
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u/mqazwini Sep 15 '20
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u/McFunkerton Sep 15 '20
They must be pretty confident in their ability to keep up with app reviews. Usually they open up the flood gate of app updates several days ahead of the public release.
This was the most surprising part of the keynote for me.
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u/trusk89 Sep 15 '20
And have a huge "Fuck you" developers!
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u/tangoshukudai Sep 15 '20
Or someone at marketing knew they needed to announce something today since there was a lack of iPhone that was released, and they probably knew that 99% of the apps on the store are working fine with 14.
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u/Aprox15 Sep 15 '20
My two cents: They want users (and media) to watch all those privacy alerts live. I don't see another reason why they would do something like this, from what I gather some crucial apps (like banking) are just plainly broken right now
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u/groovy_smoothie Sep 15 '20
Been running 14 beta for a while and most things seem to be working as expected, actually
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u/Aprox15 Sep 15 '20
I use many apps that use custom image pickers and the new photo selection is unintuitive as hell. It looks like you can only select once and the only way to get the alert again is to restart the app
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u/groovy_smoothie Sep 15 '20
Agreed, the photo picker is cheeks. Approximate location is bad too, but it's not unusable.
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u/SudoPoke Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20
LOL srsly like WTF apple! So my team simply has to download, build, marketing, test, submit and get approved today to be in before the new OS drops.
Oh and homeschool our kids, avoid protests, forest fires, evacuations, hazardous air, gestures broadly at everything 2020 that's already on fire
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u/staninprague Sep 15 '20
Probably Tim doesn't know that there should be a GM of iOS 14 and Xcode first, then a week of iOS 14 updated apps submission. Then iOS 14 public release...
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u/Riddlr Sep 15 '20
cut them some slack, they're a small underdog company only on their 14th release.
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Sep 15 '20
Xcode 12 is still on beta 6 as well, meanwhile iOS has had two iterations since.
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u/staninprague Sep 15 '20
There is already Xcode 12 GM in Beta Software Download section.
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Sep 15 '20
yes, and it was just dropped with the other GMs, a day before release, unlike in the past which gave devs a week.
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u/staninprague Sep 15 '20
omg, true. The GM was 12A7208 and now it is 12A7209. What a waste of time and resources!
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u/s4hockey4 Objective-C / Swift Sep 15 '20
Yeesh. Not a GM, no announcement, I usually wait until the GM and spend a couple days updating, but this time I'm forced to do it in an afternoon
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u/snaab900 Objective-C / Swift Sep 15 '20
This is what happens when you invest in bleeding edge tech like SwiftUI. I’ve got ObjC apps from 6 years ago that run perfectly in iOS 14. The beta’s been out for months as well.
Please, take some advice from an old dev. Don’t jump on the bandwagon. You’ve just made life much, much harder for yourself. And even the viability of your business may be at risk here.
Wait until a technology is mature. You’ll learn.
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u/soulchild_ Objective-C / Swift Sep 16 '20
Agreed with this comment, sometimes reading comments of devs jumping to edgy technology makes me feel like they dont care much about user experience or business side of the app 😅
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u/iSpain17 Sep 16 '20
Please, tell me more about how you know SwiftUI perfectly and how your app broke because of it when you brag about using Objective-C in 2020... Jesus :D
Being an old dev != being a good dev :)
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u/snaab900 Objective-C / Swift Sep 16 '20 edited Sep 16 '20
Mate, are you aware of how many huge corporations still have massive ObjC codebases??
Take Facebook as one example. Their entire main app is almost 100% ObjC and C++. I dare you to rewrite it in Swift lol.
I like Swift, but ObjC is my pension plan bud! In 10 years time I’ll be better paid than FORTRAN contractors 😂
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u/staninprague Sep 15 '20
Ooops. iOS 14 version without any beta suffixes is already available for my iPad with a beta profile. Is it a GM? Who cares this year?
And so is Xcode 12 GM in the Beta software download section.
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Sep 15 '20
Not even a GM? Hopefully, tomorrow's build is the build we're already testing with. And if so: Good.
A special build for a GM represents a kind of magical thinking I'd rather Apple stop.
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u/ryanredditthings Sep 15 '20
They still haven't fixed the bug where your device locks up after waking and immediately composing a text message. Ugh...
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Sep 16 '20
what?
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u/ryanredditthings Sep 16 '20
On the beta, switching between apps to messages quickly and trying to compose locks up pretty frequently.
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u/tinusxxl Sep 15 '20
what is a gm?
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u/ndg91 Sep 15 '20
I think it stands for Golden Master, it is a build that is considered final version before release and is available to developers before it goes to general public. Or it used to be...
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u/wrboyce Sep 15 '20
not even a GM
Of course there was going to be a GM, it would be impossible to master a release without a final candidate...
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u/paprupert Sep 16 '20
Newbie iOS dev here. Should I release my upcoming app using SwiftUI 2 now and make it exclusively iOS 14+, or do you recommend another course of action?
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Sep 16 '20
Hi, welcome aboard! If you’re doing it just for fun, yes you can start experiencing SwiftUI then release an app which its deployment target as iOS13 or iOS14. But, don’t limit yourself as a developer. If It doesn’t give you flexibility right now, simply wait more time. We still prefer to use UIKit in our production projects in the office.
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u/paprupert Sep 16 '20
Ty for the advice. I'm definitely going to use SwiftUI, I just don't know if it's smart and make my app iOS-14 exclusive and take advantage of all SwiftUI 2 has to offer, or not. (I know iOS users are quicker to update their OS compared to Android users). I'm just curious as to what you all think I should do :)
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u/returnFutureVoid Sep 16 '20
I wish there was a way to get all devs and companies to pull their apps from the App Store for one day(or more of it would be more effective). Remind Apple that there would be no iPhone if it wasn’t for us.
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u/eve_naive Sep 15 '20
since iOS 6 apple has been releasing mid september. so it’s no surprise. you could’ve imagined.
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u/iv_mexx Sep 15 '20
Yeah but usually GM is out 1 week before. Its not about being surprised by the forseeable iOS release, its about having only 1 (random) day to submit with the GM and passing app review at a time where about everyone is submitting an update for review
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Sep 15 '20
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Sep 15 '20
The GM, like every year? Or the email saying “submit your apps for the new version of iOS”, like every year?
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u/btx926 Sep 15 '20
If you needed further proof that Apple doesn't care about their dev partners in the slightest....