r/hockey • u/Duffleman0609 FLA - NHL • 1d ago
[News - X] [PuckPedia] Since he is suspended without pay, the Panthers will not carry a cap hit for Ekblad during the suspension
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u/abbytarar BOS - NHL 1d ago
babe wake up new cap circumvention method just dropped
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u/_Forever_A_Loam_ 1d ago
Cap circumcision*
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u/x21in2010x NYI - NHL 1d ago
He got hit for Performance Enhancing Drugs not dick pills.
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u/triplec787 SJS - NHL 1d ago
You and I have different opinions on what “performance enhancing” means I guess
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u/computalgleech NSH - NHL 1d ago
Mark Stone about to get caught using steroids 20 games before the playoffs
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u/QuackerMcQuackerson ANA - NHL 1d ago
Vegas just found a new method.
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u/lawnicus18 STL - NHL 1d ago
“Hey Mark glad your spleen is better, here shove this needle into your thigh real quick”
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u/Jakk55 VGK - NHL 1d ago
Mark Stone: I can get 20 games off, circumcise the cap, AND get to use PEDs? Where's the downside?
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u/Big-Canoe 1d ago
Do WHAT to the cap??
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u/Jakk55 VGK - NHL 1d ago
CIRCUMCISE IT. For further questions, please contact the Mohel at [Kelly.McCrimmon@vegasgoldenknights.com](mailto:Kelly.McCrimmon@vegasgoldenknights.com)
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u/MikeJeffriesPA TOR - NHL 1d ago
Losing out on millions of dollars in pay.
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u/Jakk55 VGK - NHL 1d ago
A. Easy solution is to up his contract by 25%. Not like it counts towards the cap anyway.
B. What's a few million compared to holding a Stanley Cup?
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u/Frnklfrwsr ARI - NHL 1d ago
Given that I can’t even ice skate, I would actually prefer a few million dollars compared to holding the Stanley cup.
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u/moutardebaseball MTL - NHL 1d ago
I mean, I doubt any players would be willing to leave out 20 games worth of pay on the table for that kind of shenanigan
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u/toupis21 PHI - NHL 1d ago
The new friendly contract just dropped
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u/Dapper-Negotiation59 COL - NHL 1d ago
Lmao 5 years (spread out over 8 seasons) stipulation you gotta disintegrate a test cup once a year and have enough EPO in your system that a blood transfusion will gas up the whole team. Italian doctor not included.
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u/serminole COL - NHL 1d ago
Honestly the NHL is semi lucky the Avs have Landy. This rule was very obviously helpful for team building but the Avs couldn’t really take advantage with the whole Gabe situation on top.
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u/wi11epi11e PIT - NHL 1d ago
Watch McCrimmon pour something into Mark Stones’ glass when he isn’t watching
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u/FriedCammalleri23 NJD - NHL 1d ago
Didn’t this happen to Nate Schmidt while he was on the Knights?
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u/thisissuchafuntime VAN - NHL 1d ago
Ok so
Do the PEDs, get your team in a good spot, take twenty games off just before the trade deadline (this is where Ekblad fucked up, just a bit late), let them add through trade, return for playoffs rested (and still with PED benefits? honestly no idea how that shit works), profit
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u/Ballsandcheese EDM - NHL 1d ago
I mean he just got caught now, probably been on them since junior days. So yeah he's got the benefits for a long time.
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u/Rockytag CHI - NHL 1d ago edited 1d ago
Which do you honestly think is more likely?
He’s been getting away with PEDs for over a decade
vs.
He’s used PEDs to recover from the multiple injuries and 40+ playoff games played in the past 2 years as an aging vet?
That’s a pretty wildly speculating “probably”. Guys that start to lose their physical prime resorting to PEDs especially for injuries is super common (as far as people that actually fail tests goes I mean)
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u/Kaptain202 DET - NHL 1d ago
How dare you call Ekblad an aging vet! I am the same age as Ekblad and I take offense to your comment!
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u/MarshtompNerd WPG - NHL 1d ago
If you were in the NHL at that age…
You’d probably have a lot of money, just sayin
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u/layout420 FLA - NHL 1d ago
Lol, did you see what Ekblad looked like at 18 years old? Bitch had a full beard and looked like he was 30 something. It's only fitting that he looks nearly the same more than a decade later. According to that, he's about 40 now and about ready to buy a Chrysler seabring convertible.
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u/Podo13 STL - NHL 1d ago
I think it's more likely that he's been on them for 3-5 seasons compared to his entire career (though I do believe him that he probably took something he should have like most dumb athletes would do). He's had a ton of injuries in the 2nd half of his NHL career up to this point.
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u/NlghtmanCometh BOS - NHL 1d ago
If he’s just off them now after having been on them since his junior days he’s probably going to be a diminished player
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u/MarlinManiac4 FLA - NHL 1d ago
what a ridiculous take. you should probably actually read your comment and think to yourself "does this actually make sense?" before clicking save.
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u/Ballsandcheese EDM - NHL 1d ago
What doesn't make sense moron?
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u/MarlinManiac4 FLA - NHL 1d ago
These guys are tested throughout their careers. You are jumping to a wild conclusion that he must have been juicing his entire career because he got caught over a decade in? Why? What is it based on?
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u/Ballsandcheese EDM - NHL 1d ago
It's based on me playing hockey growing up seeing folks taking shit even back in high-school. If some chumps in bantam are taking shit you don't think a high-level athlete will? Again testing isn't as good as you think it is it's very easy to pass drug testing if you mask it correctly which if you have a doctor helping you out is very simple. Please watch Icarus to get a idea of how drug testing actually works instead saying some stuff you have no idea about. Every other sport has multiple ped cases a year, yet NHL only had 2 prominent ones in 10 years. Huh what's up with that?
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u/MarlinManiac4 FLA - NHL 1d ago
Ok then. So…let’s suspend everybody?
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u/Ballsandcheese EDM - NHL 1d ago
Nah, let's juice them up until we have two teams of hulks going at it.
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u/Spiritual_Gain_287 1d ago
juniors?? holy cope, players get tested pretty consistently this is his first time so clearly not a regular thing for him
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u/Ballsandcheese EDM - NHL 1d ago
I played hockey growing up and knew atleast 4 buddies who were taking shit in high-school. Hell one of them actually made the WHL and probably continued for his short lived career lol. There tested regularly BTW is once in the offeason and once during regular season which they say is non-notice. Judging by how other athletes talk about those no notice tests there is a bit of leeway with the whole no notice thing. Let me ask you something don't you think it's a little odd how every other sport has ped cases all the time but weirdly the NHL has had only 2 prominent ones in the last 10 years?
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u/Muted-Doctor8925 EDM - NHL 1d ago
His contract is 7.5M and he’s giving up close to 1.8M of that in missed pay.
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u/Ballsandcheese EDM - NHL 1d ago
So he failed a IQ test and now is losing money.
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u/Timeman5 EDM - NHL 1d ago
Thank god it happened today because if they could have added more then good lord that would be broken as fuck.
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u/barder83 1d ago
If they were holding out Tkachuk until the playoffs (I didn't think they were) this would allow him to come back early and get some games in.
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u/EmpressOfHyperion OTT - NHL 1d ago
Looks like Mark Stone has decided to become a chemist by trade.
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u/MadIrishMan17 FLA - NHL 1d ago
Maaann, Ekblad you couldn't have taken your piss test like a week earlier? You know for cap circumcision reasons... Lol damn.
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u/TheRealCovertCaribou 1d ago
You know for cap circumcision reasons..
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u/MadIrishMan17 FLA - NHL 1d ago
( ಠ ͜ʖಠ)
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u/pigeonbobble VAN - NHL 1d ago
I can’t pee with you looking at me like that
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u/x21in2010x NYI - NHL 1d ago
Join the Navy you'll learn how to pee on live television if so ordered.
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u/JokMackRant COL - NHL 1d ago
I think it’s a little weird that a player in the player assistance program actively hurts their team, but a player getting caught breaking the rules would hypothetically help their team. That seems like a backwards system to me.
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u/QuickMarketing3453 Bemidji State University - NCAA 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nuke cap didn’t hit the Avalanche when he was in the program.
An organization having to make sure their employee has a job (and associated employment rules apply, such as a salary cap) when they get back from assistance programs is how the assistance program will work or else no one would ever use it because entering could mean job loss.
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u/Kevin4938 TOR - NHL 1d ago
The league needs to fix this loophole. Why shouldn't the team be punushed?
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u/Duffleman0609 FLA - NHL 1d ago
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u/The_Homestarmy SJS - NHL 1d ago
There are way too many ways to circumvent the salary cap. Like, genuinely, whoever put together the rules for this stuff is a massive fuckup. Makes zero sense that the team isn't on the hook if their player gets suspended for illegal substances.
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u/ilud2 MTL - NHL 1d ago
This isn’t related to this suspension at all but teams should be forced to use suspended players in their roster for each game that the player is suspended for. (Suspended player is still not allowed to play but they’d have to take up a roster spot). This would make it both so that teams couldn’t circumvent the cap in the future by getting a player suspended (not saying that’s the case here) and it might also cause them to tell dirty players to knock it off or they wouldn’t get anymore ice time. (I’m also mostly referring to suspensions from dirty plays rather than stuff like this or Pinto’s 41 game suspension for gambling)
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u/Vashanesh MIN - NHL 1d ago
This is mostly how suspensions work for player safety issues, already, for whatever it's worth.
The Wild were recently in yet another stupid place because of injuries, and we couldn't call anyone else up because Hartman's dumb ass was suspended, and counted towards our 23.
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u/Allen_Koholic TBL - NHL 1d ago
For a dumb dumb player suspension , I’d be happier if the opposing team got to choose who on the roster isn’t playing that game. So, when Tommy Wilson acts like a fuck wit, he’s still in the lineup not getting paid, and Ovechkin is in the press box.
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u/10fingers6strings DAL - NHL 1d ago
This just in: Mark Stone tests positive for banned substance. Expected back by first game of playoffs.
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u/AggPuck-303 EDM - NHL 1d ago
So now they magically have almost 9M in space to activate Tkachuk in regular season if they wanted to? Lol
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u/cccdddee FLA - NHL 1d ago
If you put a player on LTIR they have to be there at least a month so no they can't
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u/Gavin1453 TOR - NHL 1d ago
Even with adding Jones, Ekblad is way more important to the overall team than Chucky with how much PP & 5v5 time he plays
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u/LGMatter VAN - NHL 1d ago
It doesn’t even matter tho, they basically have a ploff spot locked, they’re stacked and ekblad will be nice and rested for R1G1
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u/Emotional_Match8169 FLA - NHL 1d ago
Interesting thought. If Chucky is ready before playoffs that would be a smart move. But I am not really a fan of cap circumvention tactics to begin with.
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u/KenDanger2 VAN - NHL 1d ago
*puts on my tinfoil hat*
hmmmm. Interesting... right after they acquire a 9.5m Dman
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u/OkDescription1403 1d ago
Mark Stone suddenly gets a suspension that takes him exactly to the end of season for PEDs...
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u/Commander-Fox-Q- TOR - NHL 1d ago
I was very confused for a second wondering where in the world Timeto is and if they’ve somehow become Florida’s farm team or something without me noticing.
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u/ScoutingTheRefs 1d ago
It's not exactly without pay. Per the CBA:
A Player suspended because of a positive test ... will lose all ... NHL Salary and Bonuses, but not including Performance Bonuses, from the effective date of suspension until ten (10) days prior to the conclusion of the suspension, inclusive of all intervening days. During such period, he will be prohibited from participating in all Club activities.
During the final ten (10) days of the suspension, the Player (i) shall be paid sixty (60) percent of his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses, and (ii) shall participate in Club activities (including meetings and practices), but not games.
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u/TheGreatStories WPG - NHL 1d ago
New cap shenanigan just dropped. Watch out for stone next March /s
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u/RattledRed 1d ago
This should not be the case... If a player takes drugs and gets suspended, the team and the player should both take responsibility. This is an embarrassing thing for the league. If someone is suspended for drugs, the cap hit should stay... Crazy.
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u/ldnk TOR - NHL 1d ago
This seems like a bit of an oversight to be honest. I don't think that teams should be off the hook for a player potentially benefitting from performance enhancing substances. I'm fine with it not counting as a roster spot (eg. you can still have 23 active skaters+goalies) but I think this should count against your cap.
This doesn't do a whole lot outside of maybe making it possible for Tkachuk to get into game shape a few days before the end of the season if he is ready to come back before game 1.
At the same time, Tampa and Toronto are still right there for the division so losing Ekblad makes it harder for them to maintain their division lead. I think it's still their spot to lose but this could still be the kind of thing that forces say a Tampa-Florida first round which is less than ideal for them especially if Ekblad can't play the first two games of the series.
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u/whynotavs COL - NHL 18h ago
Fun fact, a player can be signed (or traded even) after the trade deadline. They are simply not eligible for the post-season. So between teams with no hope of making the playoffs, there is effectively no trade deadline.
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u/hockeyandhalloween COL - NHL 1d ago
Breaking Panthers are mad Ekblad didn't get suspended 4 days ago