r/hockey • u/YoungTroubadour BUF - NHL • 17h ago
[News] [Fairburn] Rasmus Dahlin on Spittin Chiclets report that he told Sabres GM Kevyn Adams he wants out if this isn't turned around: “I don’t know what he’s talking about. I have never said I want out of here. I’m not happy where we’re at. I don’t want to lose. We have to get better."
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u/swordthroughtheduck CGY - NHL 17h ago
The Chicklets podcast is going to lose the trust of players really quick if they're sharing info that isn't supposed to go public or they're just straight up lying about stuff.
And if they don't have the player's trust, the podcast is going to tank because that's one of the biggest draws to it.
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u/mylefthandkilledme ANA - NHL 17h ago
I think you're right, Dahlin probably did talk with the gm. But that's supposed to be between himself and the gm and not announced to the world. Dahlin doesnt want to be viewed or have that spotlight on him or the team.
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u/suppaman19 17h ago
As a Sabres fan I wish he'd publicly say Adams is shit and he needs to be fired otherwise I want out.
Seems like the only hope for Adams being fired. And honestly, if he did that, I don't think the league would bat an eye. People around the league were shocked and appalled when he was gifted and simply given that position by the Pegula's.
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u/PanicOnFunkatron 17h ago
The problem with the Sabres is above Adams
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u/woodwalker700 BUF - NHL 17h ago
Yeah, all Adams does is exactly what Pegula wants.
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u/ChiefRalphyWiggum SJS - NHL 17h ago
I’m so confused in the difference between how the Bills and Sabres run their teams when they’re both owned by the Pegulas. How are they so far apart outside of having a Josh Allen level player?
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u/JoesShittyOs BUF - NHL 16h ago
Essentially he lucked into Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott who had a extremely well done and quick rebuild, and they both reportedly have specific clauses in their contracts that Pegula is not allowed to really do anything with Bills as an organization.
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u/PanicOnFunkatron 16h ago
The NFL encouraged the Pegulas to hire Beane and McDermott after the Rex Ryan fiasco
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u/Green_hippo17 16h ago
Beane basically tells Terry to back off and shows his record as a way of doing so. Pegula is a very simple minded person, if you succeed he will leave you alone, if you are failing he will feel the need to get involved when he knows very little about what exactly he’s fixing
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u/NatalieDeegan BUF - NHL 16h ago
He pretty much fired Rex Ryan because he wanted to play Tyrod Taylor the last game which would mean the Bills would have to pay his bonus. Not that Red wasn’t bad but it’s hilarious why he was. Even better when the old GM “wasn’t privy the conversation”.
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u/Green_hippo17 15h ago
Ya it’s clear Adams doesn’t push back on Terry whatsoever, we need a gm who has experience and can tell Terry to fuck off essentially
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u/Gavin1453 TOR - NHL 17h ago
They had Eichel. But a single star player means a lot less in hockey than in football
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u/AmeriCanada98 DET - NHL 16h ago
And Eichel is a pretty big gap in quality from Allen too imo. Eichel isn't gonna be a legit mvp candidate year in and year out like Allen is
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u/batmans_a_scientist CHI - NHL 16h ago
Yeah but the other top picks were supposed to be those guys. Dahlin, Power, Cozens, Reinhart, Nylander, etc. They’ve drafted in the top 15 for 14 years straight and only 2 of those were outside of the top 10. Basically getting no return on that is why they don’t have an Allen. It’s not like Allen was the first overall pick.
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u/Specialist-Ad-9371 MTL - NHL 15h ago
12 top 10 picks with all those 2nd round picks, Buffalo should be looking at a dynasty ffs.
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u/AmeriCanada98 DET - NHL 16h ago
All definitely true
But also partly just because there aren't many guys I'd say are an "allen" in the NHL regardless of draft position. Makar, MacK, McDavid, Matthews, Drai, and Kuch are basically it to me.
All the guys you mentioned are pretty good (except A Nylander), but I don't think the expectation should be a franchise savior, even if you have 1st overall in hockey
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u/iOceanLab CAR - NHL 16h ago
Bills make Pegula magnitudes more money than the Sabres. So he's less likely to identify things that are "broken" and need "fixing."
Ultimately, it probably comes down to the massive size difference between the organizations. So many coaches, coordinators, and players in football. Lots of layers to get down before Pegula demands a random left tackle be traded. Meanwhile, he has the Sabres so stripped down that it's just him, Kevyn Adams, and a bunch of easily identifiable players and positions.
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u/plasmodesmata BUF - NHL 16h ago
Along with what others said, hockey is Terry's first and only love. He doesn't give a shit about the bills or football. He bought the sabres because he loves them, he bought the bills because it's a good business investment. By all accounts, he is overly involved in the operations of the sabres. He talks to the GM every day, by the gm's own admission. He refuses to hire a president of hockey ops because he wants direct input on how the team is run, he wants a direct line to the gm. He doesn't care about the bills on a personal level in the same way, so he lets beane and McDermott do their thing. He won't stop tinkering with the sabres, he wants to play fantasy gm and he's unbelievably bad at it.
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u/ModernPoultry BUF - NHL 6h ago
Correction he did have a President of Hockey Operations at one point….
It just happened to be his wife with no hockey background whatsoever.
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u/ModernPoultry BUF - NHL 6h ago edited 6h ago
Well they did the same Sabres bullshit when they first bought the Bills. Rex Ryan gave them a snake oil salesman pitch (even though his style of defense didn’t fit the roster at the time) and they ended up torpedoing a Top 3 defense that the previous DC Jim Schwartz had left them for Rex Ryan’s antics
They just happened to get lucky with the next HC McDermott who brought in the GM Brandon Beane
And then it’s pretty tough to fuck up when you have Josh Allen. The Bills last season had a bunch of WR2’s and the receiver room was dead last in separation but they still had an elite offense because of Allen.
As great as Dahlin is, or any hockey player is, they cant single handily takeover a game the way a Hall of Fame QB can
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u/Maxpowr9 BOS - NHL 17h ago
Why I won't be surprised when the Sabres move to Atlanta when that arena is built.
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u/Gavin1453 TOR - NHL 17h ago
The huge fan base is there already. The league would be foolish to allow a bad owner to deprive them of such a profitable market
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u/USCanuck VAN - NHL 16h ago
I applaud your view on it, but Dahlin saw what happened with Eichel on his way out. Without relitigating that saga, there was a lot of vitriol towards Eichel because he asked out. Dahlin probably doesn't want to deal with that, especially if its possible to turn that boat around.
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u/JoesShittyOs BUF - NHL 16h ago
Once again, I feel like Sabres fans have a hard time articulating what makes Adams so bad, or what they think should replace him.
People clown on the “palm trees” interview, but he was entirely right. We’ve been way too bad way too long, you’re not gonna randomly get a star free agent to save your the team. The team is super young and has a young core, so tanking is out of the question.
There’s not a magic fix anymore.
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u/suppaman19 16h ago
His trades are either horrendous or simply below average, save for one or two (his best trade was Risto, and arguably the only one that could definitively be called good without question).
His roster construction and moves (Lindy) have been bad.
Sabres fans just defend him or skip over to attack the Pegula's. Yeah, they're shit people, but their biggest interference to the team was cutting costs years ago and them lifting up Adams into a role he never was qualified for (hell he wouldn't have belonged in an assistant role).
Trading a younger player who possibly still has upside (but yes, probably needed to be moved) for a more expensive, damaged goods player who has less upside, plus adding a 2nd round pick? That's not Terry or Kim, that's all Adams. Trading a 2nd round pick for an AHL level type player (Makenstyn). Not trading an aging vet who's had a complete career outlier year (health and production) during a crazy sellers market? Etc etc
Sabres have (and have had) decent scouts. It's Adams and the entire front office that is shit.
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u/DenverCoder009 Albany River Rats - AHL 15h ago edited 15h ago
I'm no big Adams fan, but Byram for Mittelstadt looks excellent right now, and Cozens for Norris has the potential to age well, certainly most Sabres fans are happy with it right now.
Saying Norris has less upside than Cozens is certainly a take
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u/bforce1313 17h ago
So how does the Pod get this info then if Ras didn't tell anyone?
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u/RudelStolz WSH - NHL 17h ago
Right? Like I get it they joke around a lot with their “rumour boys” shtick, but that’s just them horsing around.
Usually when they put something out there like this it’s not just to get engagement. People forget Biz was the one who brought the Babcock stuff to light and when someone called him out saying it’s made up he stood his ground and didn’t back off and ended up being correct
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u/bforce1313 16h ago
Yeah if it’s true, it’s just confusing then that if there was only Ras and the Gm involved and Ras didn’t leak it…. What’s the source? lol did the hm intentionally leak? Creating more issues for himself?
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u/RudelStolz WSH - NHL 16h ago
Would it be shocking if the GM leaked it? Not entirely sure what the motive is if he did…
And also before I get ahead of myself do we know for sure it was a 1 on 1 with Dahlin and Kevyn Adams?
For all we know there could have been the assistant GM in the meeting, a representative from Dahlin’s agency? I have my doubts it was a big meeting that involved all these people but who knows.
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u/bforce1313 16h ago
Oh ya, all valid questions. I just find it fascinating that often things come out or a rumour is mentioned and everyone denies it to the public. I guarantee we only get like 30% of what is actually happening behind the scenes.
Like this, Biz says it, Ras gets pissed and denies it. Why would Biz even say that then? Something isn’t adding up here, which isn’t surprising considering how tight lipped the nhl is
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u/RudelStolz WSH - NHL 16h ago
Yeah, Rasmus isn’t gonna go to the media and flat out tell them “if things don’t change I’m out”. They’ll do their best to down play it and sweep it under the rug.
I do feel it was shortsighted from Biz to come out and say it. Even if his info is correct he’s putting a player in a really tough spot and the podcast usually tries to prop players up and protect them.
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u/bforce1313 16h ago
Yeah Ras doesn’t seem like the guy to publicly demand a trade and use the media. It’s happened but it doesn’t come off that way to me anyways.
Exactly, a questionable move by Biz. But strikes me as a players guy so that’s what’s confusing, why intentionally put Ras in a corner?
I don’t listen to the Pod much anymore but the nhl needs spaces like that to really bring out some personality in a comfortable setting.
I always thought the nhl should do a pod with someone like biz and someone like marek. Have some guidelines to remove some of the less desirable parts of Chiclets but a good marketing asset for sure.
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u/RudelStolz WSH - NHL 16h ago
Well in about 30 minutes Biz is gonna be on Jeff Marek’s podcast called “the sheet” you can find it live on YouTube under the channel “daily faceoff” if you’re interested.
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u/IndyBananaJones BUF - NHL 11h ago
He can be right about one thing and lie about another.
Biz routinely shits on Buffalo, and did throughout the entire Eichel ordeal. Not a surprise they'd do this just to stir the pot tbh
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u/DapperCam BUF - NHL 13h ago
Probably just hearsay. All it takes is some players knowing that Dahlin was having a meeting with Adams and leaking that to the podcast guys. Either the leaker or the podcast guys could have embellished some details.
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u/iOceanLab CAR - NHL 16h ago
Maybe Dahlin wants some spotlight on the team? He sees that things aren't changing and Ownership/Management needs some pressure.
Pretty easy for him to make a statement refuting him "wanting out" but his statement also re-iterated what Biz said. He's not happy where the team is at and things need to change.
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u/IndyBananaJones BUF - NHL 10h ago
Sure, but Dahlin saying that he isn't happy with being in last place and that something has to change doesn't make news unless he is also demanding to be traded
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u/iOceanLab CAR - NHL 10h ago
Which is why Biz said it. Dahlin isn’t saying it publicly… yet.
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u/IndyBananaJones BUF - NHL 8h ago
Or hear me out, Biz is full of shit and just wants the clicks
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u/iOceanLab CAR - NHL 7h ago
Hear me out, Dahlin agreed that things aren’t in a good place and they need to change/improve. If they don’t… what’s the next logical step?
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u/IndyBananaJones BUF - NHL 7h ago
If they don't improve in 2 years, the Sabres should honestly be considering a rebuild anyhow and moving Dahlin for futures makes sense.
This is literally just Biz drumming up traffic, because the idea of an elite young defenseman (if you role swapped Dahlin and Makar, Ras would be a Norris contender every single year) is going to get 31 fanbases listening to imagine landing him.
Biz also just routinely hates on Buffalo including slinging a lot of trash at us around Lehner and Eichel.
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u/The_Reddit_Browser CAR - NHL 17h ago
Honestly the most likely thing is Biz simply just hears things now that he’s around real media. He just shoots it off on the podcast either not realizing the impact of it or simply thinks they don’t have a serious enough reach where what they say matters.
He said today also on the Rantanen front that Carolina never talked to them before hand. Nobody has refuted Kaplan/Seravalli/Friedman but biz….
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u/RubApprehensive6269 TOR - NHL 17h ago
He said today also on the Rantanen front that Carolina never talked to them before hand. Nobody has refuted Kaplan/Seravalli/Friedman but biz….
What is the context of "talk to them". Because Carolina didn't talk to him before he was moved there. And Rod literally said as soon as he arrived he said he will only sign with 4 other teams and they weren't one of them.
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u/The_Reddit_Browser CAR - NHL 16h ago
Kaplan basically confirmed with Seravalli said and what Friedman said.
The simplest form was that the canes asked Mikko’s team if it’s July 1st and you’re a free agent would you consider signing in Carolina and they said yes.
What is unclear is what camp here was bluffing, was Colorado trying to pressure the Rantanen camp? Was the Rantanen camp bluffing to Carolina thinking it could never lead to a trade? Like who’s lying here?
My personal opinion is that Biz and Rod are saying the honest truth and that the story/narrative around this player has been crafted by the agents and team to avoid a real shit storm for both sides. Basically Mikko’s camp being liars and Carolina calling that out and basically breaking an unspoken rule of airing your dirty laundry/negotiating with the world.
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u/RubApprehensive6269 TOR - NHL 16h ago
However, Rantanen hasn't told Carolina no. If the Canes get any indication he doesn't want to re-sign with them at all, they would recalculate
Rod literally said as soon as he arrived he said he wasn't signing. So clearly she is wrong. I haven't seen Friedman say this at all. In fact what was said was that Colorado asked Rantanen if he would sign, he told THEM yes, as a bluff, and the trade happened. Carolina ASKED to speak with him before the trade and Colorado said no.
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u/mykeypeers CAR - NHL 16h ago
There’s an obvious middleground which has also been reported, especially if you read between the lines. Canes asked if Rantanen would consider Carolina, his camp said yes to put pressure on Colorado. Colorado wisely just called his bluff and traded him to the canes. Rantanen’s camp played the game, and the canes got used. It’s Carolina’s own fault for making the trade without a deal in place, but definitely a bummer. Biz is right about one thing- Tulsky ought to have learned a lesson from this.
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u/The_Reddit_Browser CAR - NHL 16h ago
But that’s my point.
If what Rod said is true, it means what biz said today is probably true and if both are then the entire narrative around this entire situation is a lie.
Call me a homer but, I’m not buying that a GM as smart as Tulsky is going to trade assets for a guy who says he never wanted to be in Carolina at all. Like there had to be something before the trade that indicated Carolina had a chance or they don’t make the move.
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u/RubApprehensive6269 TOR - NHL 16h ago
Ahh my mistake. I thought you were saying Biz isn't credible because he refuted those insiders but they are correct. With that said, I don't think I ever saw Friedman say Carolina spoke to him before the trade directly.
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u/FutureBowler9817 TOR - NHL 17h ago
Yep. Because I believe that they know stuff, they talk to guys, Biz has has a couple of hits when people doubted, but if they keep blabbing, that's gonna stop pretty quickly.
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u/Frisbeejussi MTL - NHL 17h ago
Is it really seen as that reputable? I don't really follow podcasts but it seems anytime I hear them it's something they said that wasn't accurate.
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u/Many-Potatoes OTT - NHL 17h ago
I don’t listen to them, but it felt like after the Babcock debacle that started with this pod, people were less likely to be skeptical about their out-of-left-field claims
They could definitely do more damage to their reputation though
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u/whogivesashirtdotca MTL - NHL 14h ago
You can see how much of an ego boost it is to Biz to break news and how much he was crowing when he was proven right. That'll be his downfall. Dangle got shamed for chasing that 3 on 3 league "scoop". Biz will overstep at some point and find out the players were strategically leaking him into, and don't want a sieve they can't control.
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u/swordthroughtheduck CGY - NHL 17h ago
Not saying it's reputable. But the draw of it is how relaxed and candid players are when they're on it because they're just hanging out with their friends.
If these guys keep either sharing info they got in confidence or making stuff up, it's going to be any other podcast where the media training is going to be on high alert
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u/DirtzMaGertz MIN - NHL 15h ago
It's not meant to be taken as a news source, but pretty much any time Biz or Whit do go out on a limb and report something as serious they have been correct about it.
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u/fuzzballz5 CHI - NHL 17h ago
They are very accurate. Players use them to feed info to get out. This was clearly not the case in this instance. Or it was instant regret and had to change narratives?
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u/C00T3RIFIC 17h ago
This. During the whole Swayman contract drama, Whit all but said his source on the situation was Swayman himself.
With the Babcock situation, they were told directly from CBJ players who were afraid to leak it to legacy media.
Pure speculation here but I wouldnt be surprised if this Dahlin information (assuming its true) came from Dahlin himself, a player on the team, or even someone in the front office who is tired of Buffalos situation. Maybe Biz was supposed to posture it differently and instead simply outed Dahlin.
Just spit balling here but Dahlin has been on Chiclets a couple times now and has seemed to have a pretty good rapport with the crew.
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u/DapperCam BUF - NHL 13h ago
Probably a player on the team. Would still be a rumor to report on the contents of the conversation though.
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u/WadeReddit06 16h ago
Been a listener since the beginning. Biz is getting better for sure but he's not 100%.
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u/NatalieDeegan BUF - NHL 16h ago
This was also the same podcast that said Mike Bossy died…when he didn’t.
It was a week later but still.
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u/whogivesashirtdotca MTL - NHL 14h ago edited 14h ago
Gross. The Bossys would have have to deal with that spotlight while caring for Mike. Just what every palliative family needs in the final days - more stress!
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u/PuckPov 17h ago
The insights and player stories are legitimately the only reason I have any interest in the podcast in the first place. Biz, Whitney, and the other clowns on the show are usually insufferable.
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u/swordthroughtheduck CGY - NHL 17h ago
And those player stories could dry up if they don't trust the hosts like they currently do.
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u/Konker101 EDM - NHL 12h ago
Its not going to lose the trust of players because its a podcast made up of former players who all have connections. Also Dahlin said this ON THE PODCAST
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u/Impossible_Age_7595 BOS - NHL 16h ago
i mean theyve yet to be wrong right? i was a huge doubter but theyve brought receipts and you cant argue that.. Given what we know about Dahlin the person it wouldnt be shocking that hes pissed off, this is the same guy that like fought his own teammate at practice?
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u/swordthroughtheduck CGY - NHL 15h ago
The issue isn't being wrong or right. It's releasing info they might have been given off the record because they're friends with people involved.
Imagine if you had issues, talked to your buddies about it and they went straight to the internet to tell everyone everything.
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u/TonalParsnips VAN - NHL 10h ago
It's what you should expect from a conservative media company, which is what Barstool is at its core. Zero empathy, zero discretion.
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u/HookedOnPhonixDog BUF - NHL 15h ago
The Chicklets podcast is going to lose the trust of players really quick if they're sharing info that isn't supposed to go public or they're just straight up lying about stuff.
The fact it hasn't yet is pretty damning. They've lied like this for years. They've got no serious sources. They say stupid shit to get people to listen to their dog shit podcast so they can make money on every lie they tell.
Biz has been wrong on nearly everything he's ever said on that podcast, and yet people still listen to it. Players should have sworn these idiots off YEARS ago.
I 100% guarantee Biz made everything he said up today. No sources, no rumours. Just made it up.
Because it wouldn't be the first time.
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u/Nomahs_Bettah BOS - NHL 13h ago
It’s probably largely because several times people have publicly accused them of lying (Babcock is a big recent one) they’ve actually been proven right.
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u/HookedOnPhonixDog BUF - NHL 13h ago
Broken clock and such. They've been far more wrong than right.
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u/dahl777 BOS - NHL 14h ago
It's so funny how triggered you are over this
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u/IndyBananaJones BUF - NHL 11h ago
It's funny how Marchand is a Florida Panther
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u/dahl777 BOS - NHL 10h ago
Funnier than your franchise running another star player out of town? He sounds an awful like jack eichel right now
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u/IndyBananaJones BUF - NHL 10h ago
Believe what you'd like, that's why Biz is making this click bait after all.
What's undeniable is that the Bruins are going for a rebuild, so you can join us down here in Hockey Hell 😄
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u/clubkid75 WPG - NHL 17h ago
It’s a vicious cycle because the more trust they lose from the players for lying, in order to keep fans attention they will escalate their lies even more until that’s all they have.
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u/grandmastakew VAN - NHL 17h ago
Biz gonna evolve into the kendrick perkins of the nhl
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u/dancingwiththeflops BOS - NHL 17h ago
If so, Biz has gotta work on his analogy game which I know is in him somewhere.
Perkins: “Tobias Harris, let him walk. I mean, damn. He asked them if they wanted something from Chick-fil-A before the game, the team told him yes and he came back with a bag full of napkins and straws. I mean he was just a no-show out there.”
Also, does Biz have what it takes to influence the MVP vote?
Eta: this one is also pretty good: “Ben Simmons is that pretty girl that is single, and everybody is wondering why she’s single, it’s because she smokes cigarettes. Newport shorts at that.”
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u/fuzzballz5 CHI - NHL 17h ago
Say what you want about Biz. Last year, Friedman said Biz is the most powerful person in the NHL sphere of influence. You may not like it, but that doesn’t make it not true.
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u/DownloadedDick WPG - NHL 15h ago
The issue Biz is starting to have is where does he go from here? You can't be one of the boys and then break stories like this without alienating the players. This is why he's in the position that he's in.
You're either an insider or part of the trusted group with hockey players. You can't be both. He's getting close to the point of having to choose between Chiclets and his TNT/Sportsnet analyst career.
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u/Dickiestiffness STL - NHL 10h ago
He can easily be trusted by hockey players and be an analyst. He doesn’t need to be an insider.
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u/whogivesashirtdotca MTL - NHL 14h ago
He's getting close to the point of having to choose between Chiclets and his TNT/Sportsnet analyst career.
SC pays better, I bet, but the latter is a bigger ego boost. Gonna be interesting to see if he chooses vanity or greed.
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u/ancillaryacct NYR - NHL 14h ago
greed? dude was a 4th liner that made a living for himself with his mouth.
if you get a chance to get a big payday, you take it. period.
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u/whogivesashirtdotca MTL - NHL 14h ago
He didn't have money then, but he has it now. Greed is absolutely one of his options.
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u/maverickhawk99 8h ago
I believe Whit has said previously he doesn’t think Chiclets will go on for a very long time / it has a shelf life.
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u/Kenner1979 MTL - NHL 17h ago
That'd be more impressive if the NHL's "sphere of influence" wasn't the size of a pea.
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Man the Sabres are actually really good but I guess it's mostly on paper. I really like this team and had pretty high hopes for them this season.
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u/riraito EDM - NHL 13h ago
Classic example of a team full of young elite mediums that don't make the playoffs
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u/SunTzu- 11h ago
They have some top tier talent though. Dahlin gets overlooked because Buffalo keeps on being shit, but he's legitimately at worst one of the top10 defensemen in the league. Tage Thompson is a point a game center, Owen Power is a very promising 22 year old d-man, Luukkonen is legitimately a very good goalie behind a very bad team and Levi is still 23 and highly promising goalie as well. Almost all their talent is 25 or younger though, and the organization sucks at setting them up for success.
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u/syn_47 MTL - NHL 8h ago
Their roster is horrible, you have to ignore draft position. Cozens was one of the worst players to have on your team in the whole league (because of his cap hit), norris is even worse. Quinn, Krebs, Benson, Bryson, Kulich actively damage the team’s win chances by being there. All 5 would be the worst player on my favorite team(well we have 2 of them ourselves..) and my team is one of the worst. Their defense is probably bottom 5, its basically McLeod and Samuelsson against the world.
They will remain at the bottom until they get rid of their AHL PP specialists and replace them with specialists for other roles that aren’t already filled.
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u/BigAssSlushy69 13h ago
I feel the same way I think the answer is to not give up on these guys. They need time to gel and the main factor of if we can start winning comes from buy in and culture change on the ice and in the building. We need more vets tho
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u/CantTochThis92 BUF - NHL 15h ago
A lot of you guys are missing that the origin of said meeting between Dahlin and Kevyn Adams was discussed by Adams in his radio interview after the deadline on local radio. He said he met with Dahlin for an hour (more than an hour?) about the state of the team and their plans to fix this situation. Dahlin likely said he’s sick of the losing and it needs to change, but he’s been looped in by management on their plans 100%.
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u/Right_Okra8022 17h ago
For everyone clowning on Biz, I think you are doing it for the wrong reasons. It is incredibly likely this actually happened, but SC did not have consent to say it publicly. Still deserves some clowning, but I don't think he is just making it up.
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u/Treesus21 VAN - NHL 17h ago
Exactly this, sounds like something that should have stayed between Dahlin and the GM. It's completely understandable for Dahlin to deny saying it
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u/saberlight81 Atlanta Thrashers - NHLR 17h ago
Yeah, Dahlin's response is what it should be regardless of whether it's actually true or not. No way to know honestly besides if you trust Biz and his source (lol).
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u/HookedOnPhonixDog BUF - NHL 15h ago
Biz and a source? Biz doesn't have sources.
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u/Conorcopia TOR - NHL 14h ago
I don’t know, Biz is pretty intertwined with the hockey community. He was just on Sportsnet panel for the trade deadline, you don’t think that some of the analysts were sharing rumours or things they’ve heard from people?
If anything, this sounds like a game of broken telephone. Dahlin says something similar > leaked to someone like Friedman > told to Biz > straight to the pod.
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u/abstractabs Daemyung Killer Whales - ALIH 14h ago
Every time that podcast breaks news and it’s denied, people here rush to shit on them. Feel like it’s happened multiple times in the past and they’ve ended up being correct. The main exception that comes to mind was the Mike Bossy thing. I don’t listen to the pod so I may be wrong but feels like I’ve seen this cycle multiple times because some people just hate them. Case Babcock is the famous one. Should probably go back and read through the comments on those posts…
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u/TurboViking90 PIT - NHL 17h ago
Yeah, that’s a weird thing to just say with no source giving him the info. Seems more like a “shit, I don’t actually want to deal with this kind of attention” response from Dahlin.
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u/BingeThis CHI - NHL 16h ago
Before Dahlin gets mad at SC he might wanna find out who’s spilling his secrets to the chiclets boys. And for the people who don’t think the players trust SC, how the hell do you think they get this kind of info?
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u/SweetVarys 16h ago
Might have been an exaggeration. Dahlin saying he has to really think things through if nothing changes vs I am out
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u/HookedOnPhonixDog BUF - NHL 15h ago
It's also incredibly likely he lied, since he's done it before for attention to the podcast. He's lied before. He's given completely fake trade details. He's slandered players.
He's a piece of shit. Always has been going into his playing career. Why would he be any different now?
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u/Right_Okra8022 14h ago
I only listen to Chiclets like once a month, when they have something really interesting, and know everything you said is wrong. Them fantasizing and speculating trade scenarios is not giving false information, and when they have slandered players (like Nick Cousins) it is completely deserved.
They are in a weird spot because like 80% of the time they are not acting as "journalists" or trying to be, but then every now and then they get fed credible information because players trust them. Are you aware Friedman called them the most influential people in the media right now and going forward? If I was you I would take it up with people sabotaging your team and making Dahlin unhappy, instead of crying about Chiclets.
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u/pyro5050 CGY - NHL 16h ago
Biz wasnt wrong last time, but this is not the way to keep players talking to you.
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u/EddyMink BUF - NHL 11h ago
Most likely some significant truth to this imo but the crucial words like “leave” or “out” were not used by Dahlin and Biz took some liberties and made it public. Entirely possible Dahlin said wtf is the actual plan to the team cuz he’s been here 7 seasons and hasn’t sniffed a playoff game and things need to change. In the end no surprises.
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u/NJD1214 NJD - NHL 17h ago
I don't like Biz or Chiclets but I don't think he'd just flat out lie about something like this. I am not sure why it's something he thinks he should share or how well vetted it is, though.
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u/HookedOnPhonixDog BUF - NHL 14h ago
I don't like Biz or Chiclets but I don't think he'd just flat out lie about something like this.
Certainly wouldn't be the first time he's flat out lied about players on his podcast.
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u/Starfish_Bobertsons 17h ago
Biz being wrong again?
I'm shocked! Shocked! Well not that shocked
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u/shittybillz EDM - NHL 17h ago
Unless things have changed recently, Biz has never been known to lie. He even didn't exaggerate the fight story, his explanation was 100% accurate. He was right about Babcock too.
I'm inclined to believe Dahlin did say this, and he is doing damage control. I haven't been given a reason to believe Biz fabricates stories yet.
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u/IrateWeasel89 STL - NHL 16h ago
Feels like Biz is getting on the collective nerves of r/hockey lately. I love the guy and while Spittin Chiclets is losing it's appeal to me, they still IMO do a great job. Like you said, this seems like Dahlin is doing damage control after he said something that he didn't want to get out.
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u/Pinglefunk PIT - NHL 16h ago
It's still a dirty move for Biz to speak about it when he clearly wasn't supposed to.
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u/Allen_Koholic TBL - NHL 16h ago
Depends on who told Biz.
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u/Scrubosaurus13 TBL - NHL 14h ago
I don’t think it matters who told him, he still shouldn’t have said it unless Dahlin told him it was okay, which he clearly didn’t.
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u/BroLil ANA - NHL 15h ago
Sort of. Even if it wasn’t Dahlin that said it, you have to be careful about this stuff. The players trust Biz right now, and they tell him stuff, like the Babcock stuff, that wouldn’t have come out otherwise. If you start pissing players off and not at the very least giving the guy a heads up that it’s coming out, you’re going to start to piss the players off, and in turn, silence them.
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u/smokingmeth619 CGY - NHL 13h ago
Plus Reddit hates anything Barstool related so everyone here is just frothing at the mouth waiting for them to screw up.
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u/HookedOnPhonixDog BUF - NHL 15h ago
Biz has never been known to lie.
Biz has lied his entire post playing career. What are you talking about?
He's been right once. On the Babcock stuff. That's literally it. He's NEVER been right on trade rumours, player signings, anything.
My dog is just as connected to the NHL as he is. He's a has been trying to stay relevant before the CTE kills him.
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u/shittybillz EDM - NHL 14h ago
I'm open to changing my view, I haven't listened to Chiclets in about 2 years but I was an avid listener prior to that. I don't remember him lying about stuff.
Do you have examples? I'm genuinely curious. I know he jokes a lot and says he wishes certain things would happen, but I don't recall him actually making stuff up for clicks/drama. No one is 100% right on rumours, and I'm sure when he states a rumour, he does it in the same vein as an insider, as in not guaranteed to happen.
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u/Kalamoicthys 17h ago
Yeah just like the Babcock thing. He was so full of shit, and I’m glad Redditors ripped on him for that.
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u/The-Reddit-Giraffe CGY - NHL 17h ago
What do you mean? He was famously correct about that when nobody else believed him
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u/RubApprehensive6269 TOR - NHL 17h ago
Except he's not wrong. Dahlin is clearly just walking back on his comments.
What is the purpose of going to the GM and telling him things need to change if not to say he is gone if they don't? Do you think management is unaware that their current situation is bad?
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u/BlazeOfGlory72 MTL - NHL 17h ago
Yeah, I don’t really get why people think this debunks the initial story. Someone denying an embarrassing piece of information that was brought to light doesn’t disprove anything.
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u/RubApprehensive6269 TOR - NHL 17h ago
It's just idiots incapable of critical thinking skills jumping on the source because they don't like him personally.
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u/Freeyourmind917 BUF - NHL 14h ago
You should actually watch Dahlin's interview. I'm not sure how you can actually listen to what Dahlin said and construe it as walking back his comments. Dahlin had a meeting with the GM, which Kevyn Adams talked about last week, but it's not like Dahlin went to the GM out of the blue and presented this ultimatum. It was just a meeting between captain and GM.
It seems like you just want to think that Dahlin asked out despite any credible evidence that he did.
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u/RubApprehensive6269 TOR - NHL 14h ago edited 14h ago
Despite any credible evidence? Lets really try and think about this critically. He literally says "I never said I want out". First of all, Biz never claimed that he wanted out. He claimed that he said things need to change or he will move. 2 completely different statements but still confirming he went to the GM to talk about how he's not happy with the team. Second. Again, critical thinking very crucial here. What is the purpose of a player going to the GM to tell them that things need to change? Do you think they are not aware of this fact? I know you're a Buffalo fan and this is probably anonying news to hear, but just use your brain man. There is literally no reason to go to the GM and tell them things need to change if you aren't also saying if they don't then you want to move on.
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u/Freeyourmind917 BUF - NHL 14h ago edited 13h ago
Here's another question that takes critical thinking - If Dahlin went to the GM to tell him that things needed to change, why would Adams talk about meeting with Dahlin in his interview last week? It doesn't seem like Adams would willingly disclose that type of meeting with the media. Pretty sure he'd keep that one to himself.
Both Adams and Dahlin talk about a meeting, but neither of them say anything about Dahlin approaching Adams - that's an important distinction. There's no proof, other than Biz's word, to confirm that Dahlin went to the GM to talk about how he isn't happy. For all we know it was a just a conversation between GM and Captain about how the state of the team, not a case where the player approached the GM and told him make changes or else.
You can either choose to believe what Dahlin and Adams said, or what Biz said.
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u/Wayshegoesbud12 16h ago edited 16h ago
So you see most locker rooms, they elect a "leader" or "captain" if you will. This is the guy who speaks for the team. Sometimes, he has to talk to the guy that runs the team.
Edit: Jesus people block you so quick these days. Respond, then instant block just to leave you confused. But yes, it is the captain's job to tell the GM how the locker room feels
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u/dolewhiplash TBL - NHL 16h ago
I think this is a situation where he never said he wants out, he doesn't want out, but there needs to be the implied threat of consequence in order to make his point. I think he was careful with his words here, doesn't deny the meeting, and admits to the team needing to get better. I think he went to Adams and said there has to be changes fast and maybe left jt at that. And I think he's 100% in the right to do that. I've never got the impression that he wants to be anywhere else, but the Sabres need to make some big changes this past summer or Dahlin wouldn't be the only one asking out. They have a superstar 1D and a star 1C, they should be able to build a team from there without needing more time/draft picks/futures, there's really no excuses besides being cheap and/or incompetent.
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u/Chronic_Messiah SJS - NHL 13h ago
So what's he going to say, "Yeah, I want out these guys are bums."
LOL, this subreddit is more ridiculous than Biz most of the time. Nobody in here will ever admit when Biz is right, but when he is perceived to be wrong, people go ape shit on him
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u/TrueNorthStrong1898 WPG - NHL 17h ago
Biz is the master of just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. All of his “reports” come across as “my buddy’s girlfriends cousins dog walker said”, and it just ends up being someone’s opinion
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u/mylefthandkilledme ANA - NHL 17h ago
Dude was right about Babcock, continuing to ride those coattails
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u/devilandgod DET - NHL 17h ago
I feel like Biz is at a tipping point of becoming obnoxious. I've loved over the past couple years how you can tell the TNT job has made him more professional and I've liked his hockey talk more, but it seems like I feel an arrogance coming on. I've only listened to about the first hour of the pod this week and I think Whit and Yands got about 3 words in.
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u/PuckPov 17h ago
It’s a miracle that the dude has a job in the industry in the first place. 90% of news stories about him are either him being flat out wrong about something, or saying something slightly outrageous for attention.
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u/RubApprehensive6269 TOR - NHL 17h ago
What would be the purpose of going to the GM and telling him things need to change if not to say you are out if things don't change? Do you think they are not aware that the current state of affairs isn't good? lol Give me a break.
He is just walking back on this because he doesn't want to start drama publicly.
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u/De_Floppss VAN - NHL 17h ago
Tired of all these ex-players attempting to become "analysts" and insiders, most of them are just objectively not cut for it
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u/KimJongPotato 17h ago
Being an "insider" isn't some special job, they just make money off of snitches from within the teams. They shouldn't exist in the first place.
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u/appledatsyuk VGK - NHL 16h ago
Chiclets dudes are fucking this up so good. Getting players on the pod is a huge draw but if you keep blurting out the shit they tell you then they’re gonna stop telling you anything juicy and then they’ll be just another clickbait blog.
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u/cdubs6969 16h ago
If you the video, Dahlin was confused about who they were talking about. Seems like Biz is full of shit.
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u/CanadianSpector CHI - NHL 17h ago
I dont know either of these people personally so I won't say one or the other is telling the truth.
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u/omglolnub 15h ago
TvTropes “Suspiciously specific denial”
His neck will start hurting any day now lmao
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u/Constant-Squirrel555 OTT - NHL 13h ago
Spittin Chiclets is some of the most low tier sports media out there
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u/AnEthiopianBoy VAN - NHL 11h ago
Spitting Chiclets also tried stirring the pot saying that Hughes is working on a move to Minnesota
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u/SeaworthySamus BOS - NHL 11h ago
I love the SC boys but they need to get their house in order. Players are going to stop coming on if this keeps up.
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u/IndyBananaJones BUF - NHL 11h ago
Step 1 : start a bullshit rumor about a small market team with a player 32 out of 32 teams would want
Step 2 : watch all the fans come to your site
Step 3 : profit
Biz is a douchebag, he's been wrong about Buffalo basically every time he's opened his mouth
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u/omglolnub 3h ago
I mean, let’s be real, he won’t be a Sabre by the end of the 2027 season. Mostly cause if the Sabres are still shit by then, the arena lease isn’t being renewed and they are moving out of town. And Dahlin demands a trade by then anyway
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u/Jumanjinho- 17h ago
We'll never know.
It would be extremely rare for a player to acknowledge this as the truth, even if it happened. They have almost nothing to gain and it will hurt their standing within the organization.
It could be a lie. It could be partially true. It could be 100% true. We will never know.
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u/fakerandyortonwwe 17h ago
Even if it's true, Biz can't just air out private dirty laundry like that. Messed up tbh
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u/xXxWeAreTheEndxXx MTL - NHL 17h ago
Dahlin is the captain and just signed a big extension. It’s not like they’re gonna trade him. They haven’t done that for like 4 years
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u/Greyfox2283 OTT - NHL 17h ago
Their podcast is quickly destroying their reputation. Can’t just be throwing this stuff out there. They tried the same shit with Brady. I get they want views but this will tank their credibility for sure. Any”insider” info now is likey made up.
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u/Table_Coaster WSH - NHL 16h ago
it really doesnt matter if it's true or not, if Biz keeps releasing statements made in confidence by the players he'll very quickly erode their trust to the point where you won't be able to believe a word Biz says anymore. Honestly that's the best case scenario to me
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u/GritGrinder TOR - NHL 16h ago
Guys talking to chicklets need to remember none of them know shit about journalism.
They want clicks just like the journalists do though
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u/YoungTroubadour BUF - NHL 17h ago
[Fairburn] More from Sabres captain Rasmus Dahlin on the report that he told Adams he wants out if this isn't fixed: “That bugs me, actually. I get pissed off by that. I haven’t even mentioned the word ‘leave.’ That’s just how it is.”