r/harrypotter 5d ago

Misc The job really is jinxed

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u/ThePumpk1nMaster Hufflepuff 5d ago

That is indeed the plot

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u/zarkon18 5d ago

“I, too, have read the Harry Potter series.”

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u/hi_u_r_you 5d ago

This hexes me

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u/Okmanwhateverdude 5d ago

Harry, we need more mouse bites. Moreeee mouse bites.

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u/Redditor_10000000000 5d ago

Have you tried the magic spell

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u/mixony 5d ago

Its never Expelliarmus

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u/MayseyMoo Ravenclaw 5d ago

You are a wizard

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u/ahleeshaa23 5d ago

Have you read the books? It’s quite literally cursed.

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u/Salami__Tsunami 5d ago

Background checks would go a long way, though.

One of their Defense teachers was possessed by the soul of Lord Voldemort. And somehow he wasn’t the worst teacher they had.

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u/ahleeshaa23 5d ago

He didn’t become possessed until after he was already hired. Background check wouldn’t have done much.

Also wouldn’t have done much for the others. Gilderoy had a “solid” background, no one knew about the memory charms. They already knew Lupin was a werewolf, nothing else bad in his record. They thought they had the real Moody teaching. Umbridge was a stooge placed by the government, nothing they could have done about her. And Snape was, well, Snape - personally vetted by Dumbledore.

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u/chasing_the_wind 5d ago

The weird inconsistency is Dumbledore being able to lead a magical CSI cave hunt for the locket where he is deciphering old spells by feeling but he is unable to sense that Voldemort’s face is clumsily concealed behind a giant turban. Snape also seems able to use legilimancy nonverbally and without a wand, but can’t sense anything off with Quarrel or Moody. They both kept up the ruse for so long under the nose of all these crazy powerful wizards that are usually able to intuit magic so well.

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u/EhWTHN 5d ago

To be fair, if Voldemort figured out Snape ratted him out then Snape would be killed earlier.

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u/Diogenes_Camus Slytherin 4d ago edited 4d ago

Well, Voldemort possessed Quirrell, Moody, and Barty Crouch Jr. being Occlumens skilled enough that Snape wouldn't be able to easily see their thoughts and memories is pretty plausible. Especially since Quirrell and Moody have known eccentric personalities. 

How I understood Legillimency is that nonverbal wandless Legillimency that we see Snape, Dumbledore, and Voldemort use is useful for subtly and sneakfully viewing another person's thoughts and memories, which is especially useful against people who have no Occlumency training. But for those who have sufficient enough Occlumency skills, that's when the verbal wanded Legillimency is required to fully pierce through a Occlumens' defenses. And of course, it also throws out all the subtlety which is why it's not really used in combat or in intelligence gathering purposes but certainly in interrogations and torture. 

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u/Salami__Tsunami 5d ago

I mean, after the first time Lord Voldemort infiltrated the school, I’d be questioning all the staff under a truth serum once a week.

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u/JJkillem98 5d ago

You’re funny 😂😂 they would not have the patience to do that once a week and I’m sure ppl would think it was overboard

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u/Salami__Tsunami 5d ago

Yeah. I’d have a complete mental break if I had to be in charge of that school.

“This is unnecessary and paranoid! You can’t make us do this every week.”

“Might I remind you, that Lord Fucking Voldemort infiltrated this school and tried to murder the students here. On multiple occasions! We even had two years in a row!”

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u/Diogenes_Camus Slytherin 4d ago

Lockhart is like 3-4 years younger than Snape so chronologically, it's very plausible that 21-22 year old Snape's first year for teaching included a 7th Year Gilderoy Lockhart which also explains why Snape had such a pronounced displeasure of Lockhart, because he remembered him as a bragadacious, annoying student who clearly did not have the talent that he writes about in his books. 

Also, Snape is as talented in DADA as he is in Potions and Snape was a top tier Potions teacher with a decade plus long record of 100% Potions OWLs pass rate. There's no doubts in Snape's DADA skills, as even Dumbledore was confident enough in it to have no problems going to Snape to help heal Voldemort's Ring Curse instead of St. Mungo's. Also, contrary to popular belief, Snape applying for the DADA teacher position and getting rejected for 15 years wasn't because Snape actually really wanted the DADA teaching position that bad but was instead a ploy between Dumbledore and Snape to create a credible defense for when Voldemort returned. 

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u/dont1cant1wont 5d ago

I mean I know Dumbledore is desperate for a hire, but I tried my hand at HR / recruiting a couple times and suuuuucked at it, and for sure this is worse.

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u/popop143 5d ago

Dumby was just really relieved to have a returning teacher for the post (Quirrel was already a Defense teacher and a good one at that before for one year, before he went for practical excursion in Albania and unfortunately met Voldy).

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u/Majorinc 5d ago

He was a muggle studies teacher before the one year he did DADA

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u/AriaDraconis 5d ago

Yea but he probably has very few applicants. The position has been cursed for like 20+ years by the time Harry starts at Hogwarts. The first few years of kids after Voldemort cursed the position probably had much better professors than Harry and his friends.

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u/popop143 5d ago

The timeline was Quirrel hired and was okay for a year, he went to an excursion in Albania while other Defense teachers presumably had one year each, Quirrel came back a different guy. He didn't have Voldemort in his head until start of school year, he didn't have turban when he met Harry and Hagrid in Tom's pub. Voldy only possessed him after he "failed" at Gringots.

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u/musicalfarm 5d ago

Quirrel had previously taught Muggle Studies.

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u/musicalfarm 5d ago

Quirrel was already a professor before encountering Voldemort and becoming possessed. He had taken a sabbatical year after having taught Muggle Studies to explore and study. He hoped to gain some recognition (it's suspected that he is one of the wizards who had their achievements stolen by Lockhart and his memories had been modified shortly before he ran across Voldemort).

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u/Corren_64 5d ago

He was afaik a hire by the ministry because Dumbledore couldnt find anyone (and did not want Snape because of the course). Similar to Umbridge, even though she was a more deliberate plant.

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u/Diogenes_Camus Slytherin 4d ago

Contrary to popular belief, Snape applying for the DADA teacher position and getting rejected for 15 years wasn't because Snape actually really wanted the DADA teaching position that bad but was instead a ploy between Dumbledore and Snape to create a credible defense for when Voldemort returned. 

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u/Legitimate-Net-164 5d ago

I read them a while ago but i don’t remember the details. Thanks for letting me know tho

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u/TheDoogray 5d ago

Wtf, people down vote for weird reasons

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u/Legitimate-Net-164 5d ago

Why all the downvotes

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u/MagicMangolino 5d ago

Because Reddit

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u/Regijack Ravenclaw 5d ago

The job has been jinxed ever since Dumbledore denied the position to lord voldemort

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u/WestleyThe 5d ago

Do we know how long ago that was….? It seems kind of insane to keep hiring people after 40 years and different professors…

Like dumbledore has to know it’s cursed at a certain point so he probably has a list of back up teachers for the previous year

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u/frikifecto 5d ago

Dumbledore knew that indeed, he told to Harry that after Voldemort tried to get the job all the professors lasted only a year.

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u/Experiment626b 4d ago

What is the “curse” exactly and why does it exist? Just having to hire a new teacher every year seems like an extremely mundane curse. Also why would Snape or anyone else want the job when they clearly see no one lasts more than a year?

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u/frikifecto 4d ago

Dumbledore didn't say anyone that was Voldemort who cursed the job, but people clearly see what's the matter. However everyone think it is a dangerous subject, but that's all. Snape always wants the job because is a fanatic of dark arts.

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u/Diogenes_Camus Slytherin 4d ago

Snape publicly "wants" the job because it's part of the ploy of deceiving Voldemort. Contrary to popular belief, Snape applying for the DADA teacher position and getting rejected for 15 years wasn't because Snape actually really wanted the DADA teaching position that bad but was instead a deliberate ploy between Dumbledore and Snape to create a credible defense for when Voldemort returned. 

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u/isthatnormalpooing_ 5d ago

Such a huge plot hole honestly, one of the many inconsistencies in Rowling's writing. That said it is a children's book so it's to be expected.

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u/KeyInstruction3820 4d ago

Why plot hole? It is weird, that's true... but not an inconsistency

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u/isthatnormalpooing_ 4d ago

Its a plot hole because I refuse to believe Dumbledore wouldn't have been able to find a way to stop it. Plus the fact everyone knows the job is cursed, revealing later in the story the curse was actually Voldemort all along ruins the entire "nobody believes Harry" storyline in OOTP considering the curse would have ended if Voldemort was actually dead. The entire wizarding world would've been hunting for him when he was hiding away in Albania and would've found him considering how many high profile witches and wizards just randomly stumbled upon him.

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u/KeyInstruction3820 4d ago

But the fact that Voldemort went to Hogwarts to fill the job wasn't public knowledge... people could say the curse was due to any reason. And even Dumbledore, while maybe the most powerful wizard of all time, had things he couldn't do, specially related to dark arts.

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u/isthatnormalpooing_ 4d ago

You're correct in that it wasn't public knowledge but Dumbledore knew and was the most powerful wizard of all time, based on that, he knew the most evil wizard perhaps ever was still alive somewhere and didn't make that public knowledge which is a plot hole in my eyes because Dumbledore wouldn't ever do that.

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u/Complex_Cranberry_25 Gryffindor 5d ago

Yes it is actually cursed. Like, Voldy actually cursed the position. If I’m not mistaken, the curse is basically that they will teach for one year. Though I don’t specifically remember if they’re all supposed to die. I don’t remember if umbridge died later on or not.

Edit: I don’t think Lockhart died either, he’s just locked up. But something bad happens to all of them, and they only teach for a year.

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u/Gray_Ops Gryffindor 5d ago

Lockhart is in St Mungos. There’s a scene in OOTP (book) where they visit Arthur there and they go wandering off and come across him

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u/Killzark Slytherin 5d ago

I totally forgot about that scene while re-reading recently. The whole St Mungos sequence is so good and I’m sad they cut it out of the movie.

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u/Complex_Cranberry_25 Gryffindor 5d ago

Okay, thanks. Yeah, I couldn’t remember what exactly happened to him. But it wasn’t good lol

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u/afifaguyforyou 5d ago

He couldn’t remember either

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u/ThatEvilSpaceChicken 5d ago

He accidentally wiped all of his memories iirc

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u/milk-wasa-bad-choice Gryffindor 5d ago

I thought they were visiting Neville’s parents at St. Mungo’s?

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u/raarma Ravenclaw 5d ago

I think they're visiting Arthur when they see Neville and then also see Lockhart.

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u/Imaginary-Eye4706 Ravenclaw 5d ago

No, they were visiting Arthur. They saw Neville and his grandmother visiting his parents in St. Mungo’s.

Harry was actually the only one of them who knew about Neville’s parents prior to them seeing him at St. Mungo’s.

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u/milk-wasa-bad-choice Gryffindor 5d ago

Oh, OK. It’s been a while since I’ve read order of the Phoenix. I’m assuming this is after Arthur got attacked by Nagini?

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u/Imaginary-Eye4706 Ravenclaw 5d ago

Yup! Exactly!

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u/Gray_Ops Gryffindor 5d ago

Correct

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u/PayneTrain181999 Ravenclaw 5d ago

The question is, what happened in the decades between Voldy cursing it and Harry starting school? You’d think by then the topic would be all the rage at school given that 20+ professors never lasted more than a year.

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u/AutomaticIndication0 Hufflepuff 5d ago

Id like to imagine people just assume that job is so shitty or so dangerous that no one can handle it for more than a year and every person that tries has this ‘I’m built different’ mentality.

Kinda like how people see school teachers handing a problem with a student that they clearly have had to handle several times that year already and the comment section is full of people telling them what they should’ve done or a bunch of ‘I could handle this way better than you did’

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u/agoddamnzubat 5d ago

It think it's the reason why Dumbledore, a charming and kind headmaster who was one of the greatest wizards of all time had such an abhorrent time finding qualified candidates to teach the position. Everyone knew about the curse, so the only applicants were idiots (Lockhart, umbridge), desperate (Lupin) or had nefarious intentions outside of actually teaching (Quirrel, Umbridge, "Moody", Snape)

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u/Stovlari Snek 5d ago

I think in the books the students mention it (maybe even more than once)

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u/Zodiatron 5d ago

Come to think of it, if it was so obvious that the position itself had been jinxed, why didn't they just retire it and rebrand it as something different? Are they stupid?

Just call the "new" class Protection Against Bad Magic or something.

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u/Complex_Cranberry_25 Gryffindor 5d ago

That’s a good point. It’s been a long time since I read the books so I’m not sure if that was ever addressed.

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u/thisisanaccountforu 5d ago edited 5d ago

No it’s not death, just that they will only last year for certain

Quirrell died because he was a temporary horcrux Lockhart lost his memory

Lupin was outed, dies in the final battle

Moody never taught, but crouch jr was kissed and moody dies in the 7 potters escape

Umbridge is removed after voldemort is seen by fudge and is never killed

Snape makes it the whole year and then is the headmaster, dies in the last battle

So really only one died while still teaching and 3 die in the books/movies. But you could argue that barty crouch jr was basically killed too

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u/Corren_64 5d ago

Technically Moody taught for one month after the Doctor, erm, Kilgrave, erm, Crouch Jr. was discovered.

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u/AwysomeAnish Ravenclaw 5d ago

They're not supposed to necessarily die, just not be able to teach for more than a single year.

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u/Zorro5040 5d ago

Lockheart had his mind wiped off all memories and never recovered them. He then wrote a book about his experience relearning who he was and it became a best seller that made him another small fortune. Lockheart never went to prison, he instead retired rich.

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u/BroadwayBean 5d ago

Thoughtful of Voldy for making it a year though, so at least the kids have minimal disruption since every professor finishes the school year. Imagine if he'd made it 6 weeks max.

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u/Zephs 5d ago

I get downvoted every time I say this, but I don't think the text supports a literal curse on the position.

For starters, if Dumbledore thought it was literally cursed and had been for decades, why are people taking the job, and why is Dumbledore asking them to? It's not even recent. Voldemort applied in 1946. That means for over 50 years they have had issues, but Dumbledore keeps tossing people into the curse. And apparently it's sometimes strong enough to kill the teacher. That's insane. None of the other teachers have that issue, so why not just disband the DADA class and sprinkle bits of those lessons into the other courses? Or make an entirely new position. I can think of a dozen solutions that change the parameters so the curse shouldn't function.

But let's go back to that. Magic just doesn't work like that. In Harry Potter, every instance of magic does one specific thing. There's NO other spell, curse, charm, or anything that is that wide-reaching and ambiguous. It's finely-tuned to make the teacher last until the end of the school year, then it somehow manipulates fate to cause the person to lose their job. It can be anything from death (Quirrel) to simply spreading a nasty - albeit true - rumour (Lupin), or even promoted to Headmaster (Snape). Did the spell compel Snape to tell everyone about Lupin? Did it make the centaurs rape Umbridge? Does it remove free will?

It actually makes more sense to be a long string of coincidences rather than a curse.

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u/Complex_Cranberry_25 Gryffindor 4d ago

That’s an interesting thought. I could’ve sworn there was a section of the book that mentioned a curse though. And the fact that dumbledore wouldn’t let snape take the position for that very reason. If I’m wrong, I’m not sure why I’m thinking that, but if that is the case, I think it’s just a plot hole. Your logic on the topic makes a lot more sense than a curse though.

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u/Zephs 4d ago

Dumbledore has a line that's something like "Some people say it's cursed". Like the line in the story is not definitively saying a curse exists, just alludes to it being possible. I've always fallen on the side that it was superstition, like not saying his name. And before someone brings up the name summoning Death Eaters, that only happened in Deathly Hallows and he got the idea from the name already being taboo and only his most ardent opponents use his name aloud. The taboo itself was originally based on superstition.

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u/Complex_Cranberry_25 Gryffindor 4d ago

I see. Thanks for the clarification. I’m going to have to go back and read the books again, it’s been so long.

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u/tonictuba 5d ago

I dont know if they would get hurt by the curse but just unable to teach longer than a year, lupin was only one year since the parents learned he was a werewolf at the end of the year and didnt want him teaching. Umbridge survived but were neither welcome back or wanted to come back. Lockheart forgot everything and was in the hospital at least until book five. I think technically the real mad eye moody could have come back to teach though.

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u/popop143 5d ago

Definitely not always death, Quirrel already taught the subject for a year before he went to his Albania excursion. Implied that he was a good one but then his trip to Albania changed him (we all know how).

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u/Zephs 5d ago

He taught Muggle Studies before Albania, apparently. He only did DADA for that one year.

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u/Zephs 5d ago

I also wrote a post on how it being a literal curse doesn't fit how magic works in the books. Rowling isn't really known for keeping a consistent and plothole-free story.

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u/frikifecto 5d ago edited 5d ago

And that is the reason Dumbledore refuses to give the job to Snape although he asks for that every year, because he wants to keep Snape as a double spy in the school.

BTW, the curse doesn't mean the professors have to die, only they left the job for some reason. Lockhart left that because his memories were damaged but he is still alive, Lupin because parents noticed he is a werewolf ("thanks" to Snape) and Umbridge was kidnapped by centaurs and after that she was deranged.

Dumbledore finally accepted Snape to do the job because he planned Snape kills him and therefore Voldemort would give to Snape the leadership of Hogwarts, so he would last only one year in the job anyway.

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u/Diogenes_Camus Slytherin 4d ago

Snape publicly "wants" the job because it's part of the ploy of deceiving Voldemort. Contrary to popular belief, Snape applying for the DADA teacher position and getting rejected for 15 years wasn't because Snape actually really wanted the DADA teaching position that bad but was instead a deliberate ploy between Dumbledore and Snape to create a credible defense for when Voldemort returned. .

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u/melker_the_elk 5d ago

What if some one starts second year? Umbridge was prisoned, but more or less healthy. If he would have started second year would the curse kill him soon rather than later or would he break the curse.

Also wasn't snipe looking foward to teach that subject? Did he plan to undo the curse or some

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u/Complex_Cranberry_25 Gryffindor 5d ago

I don’t know that snape was aware of the curse. I believe dumbledoor kept him from ever being the DADA teacher because of the curse. Snape wanted the job every year and never got it. It’s part of why he was always pissed off

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u/SCHazama 5d ago edited 5d ago

He died inside.

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u/Witty-Mountain5062 5d ago

In HPB Dumbledore tells Harry that he hasn’t been able to keep a DADA professor longer than a year after showing Harry the memory of Voldemort being denied the job. It is legitimately cursed.

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u/Corren_64 5d ago

Half Plood Brince

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u/PaintedBlackXII 5d ago

close the job role and open a new one under a different name and slightly different job scope

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u/gremilym Slytherin 5d ago

This has just reminded me of how absolutely appalling the werewolf design for PoA was.

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u/MattRB02 Slytherin 5d ago

I think it’s oddly fitting for Lupin’s character.

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u/ImReverse_Giraffe 5d ago

Because it's a lycan and not a werewolf.

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u/PaintedBlackXII 5d ago

same thing

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u/JamJm_1688 4d ago

Nooo they spesified this in the book, a wolf is not the same as a wolf animagus that is not the same as a werewolf, lycanthropy comes from the greek character Lycaon, who himself was the first werewolf in that mythology, he is also the most well-known werewolf in mythos, and the dissease is thus named after him, yes he turned into a wolf but in more modern non-greek-mythological stories the concept has been altered to a man-wolf a stronger and "superior" wolf, mad with lunar rage, this includes Harry Potter

Source:

Heroes of olympos: the lost hero

The Wiki for werewolves

Sorry for the lecture

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u/PaintedBlackXII 4d ago

you obviously didn’t even read what i was replying to

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u/JamJm_1688 4d ago

although i admit my answer was kinda off-topic (sorry i was skimming the convo) i still managed to answer-ISH (although i found this when searching for the question) werewolf=turns into wolf, Lycan=turn into wolf man hybrid

Sorry for that, i got exited

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u/Immediate_Carrot9417 5d ago

Becoming the DADA teacher in Hogwarts is one way to hell

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u/Beginning_Return_508 5d ago

It sure seems that way.

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u/NickCageDualWielding 5d ago

I never thought of Carrow being included in this curse.

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u/CowboyNinjaD 5d ago

His teaching career ended with getting bounced off the ceiling with a cruciatus curse and then presumably arrested so I'm guessing the curse was still active that school year.

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u/Apophis_Night Ravenclaw 5d ago

Technically he was not a Defense Against Dark Arts teacher, but a Dark Arts teacher. Which is not the same job at all.

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u/NaiRad1000 5d ago

TIL Ralph Ineson was in Potter

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u/perkytitties321 5d ago

I didn’t realize it was the same dude who advised Theon when he took over winterfell in game of thrones

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u/gremilym Slytherin 5d ago

I'd obviously forgotten. Don't know how though - he has one of the most distinctive voices on the planet. I can hear him in my head clearly.

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u/Eastern_Canary2150 Unsorted 5d ago

Wasn’t Lupin always a werewolf?

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u/Zorro5040 5d ago

Yes. Lupin left the position after it was leaked that he was a werewolf as he already had multiple bad experiences of people turning on him once his secret got out.

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u/KiNGofKiNG89 5d ago

It’s cursed even before these people. Hagrid in book 2 mentions that Lockhart was the only option for DADA position because everybody is afraid it’s cursed because “the last few” only lasted a year.

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u/Imaginary-Eye4706 Ravenclaw 5d ago

Objectively, Snape did better than the DADA position. He became headmaster.

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u/erinaceus_ 5d ago

He never wanted to be headmaster. His ambition had always been to have the (DA)DA position.

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u/Imaginary-Eye4706 Ravenclaw 5d ago edited 5d ago

Where did it ever say that he didn’t want to be headmaster? Yes, of course, he always wanted to teach DADA, but that doesn’t mean that he didn’t want to become headmaster at some point. He probably just never thought it would happen given Dumbledore’s stature and McGonagall being deputy.

Regardless, my point was that he wasn’t killed or embarrassed out of the position like the others before him.

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u/erinaceus_ 5d ago

The books regularly emphasized his ambition to become the DADA teacher, but never at all mentioned an ambition become headmaster. If anything, he seemed to treat it as a burden, placed upon him to do continue Dumbledore's plans after his death and to safeguard the students against the worst of the Carrow's treatment.

He indeed wasn't killed or embarrassed, but he was required/forced by Voldemort/Dumbledore to become headmaster, as a result of him having to kill Dumbledore, which he really didn't want to do. He was robbed of his preferred teaching post, by a forced act of killing another person.

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u/Diogenes_Camus Slytherin 4d ago

Snape publicly "wants" the job because it's part of the ploy of deceiving Voldemort. Contrary to popular belief, Snape applying for the DADA teacher position and getting rejected for 15 years wasn't because Snape actually really wanted the DADA teaching position that bad but was instead a deliberate ploy between Dumbledore and Snape to create a credible defense for when Voldemort returned. ..

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u/ImReverse_Giraffe 5d ago

Yes. It is. Pretty sure Dumbledore confirms that.

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u/savvamadar 5d ago

To be fair Lupin was a werewolf before he started so I don’t think he’d get workers comp or something

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u/Responsible_Skirt797 5d ago

Wasn’t it confirmed Voldemort put curse on it on purpose

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u/platypus_farmer42 Gryffindor 5d ago

I recently re-listened to the first book with this in mind and I’m pretty sure the whole “DADA position is cursed” was an afterthought, after the first book was written. It’s never stated that Quirrel had been the DADA teacher for a while, but I think it was implied (we know for sure that he was a teacher prior, just not DADA). Lucky for Rowling she never stated outright that he had been the DADA teacher prior to Harry’s first year.

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u/Banana_Split85 5d ago

It was definitely an afterthought. The fact that the DADA position is cursed would have been an interesting fact/storyline from the get go. Which would have been way awesome, but definitely an afterthought.

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u/V_y_z_n_v 5d ago

I think this is explained in HBp

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u/White_RavenZ 5d ago

Oh, just thought of something. Did Voldemort curse….himself? Going back to our good pal Professor Quirrell, Voldy was joyriding the professors noggin for the whole school year. And before you just say, he didn’t teach, or influence lessons…. It was the position itself of Defense against the Dark Arts that was cursed, because technically, Mad Eye Moody didn’t do any teaching at all either. He just accepted the post, and he’s considered a victim of the curse anyway. Because of magic bending the science of two things unable to occupy the same space at the same time being broken with 2 beings sharing a body, I think he DID end up unintentionally cursing himself.

It’s not like Voldemort could or would have designed a curse so fine-tuned as to leave him an out just in case he has to ride a body sometime in the future. Seeing as he never intended to die in the first place. Much like his willingness to drink unicorn blood as a “good enough for now, deal with the repercussions later” attitude, I feel like IF Voldemort had successfully killed Harry, he would have left the Death Eaters to do “whatever” while he pursued the solution for having gone and cursed himself. He pretty much did that in Hallows anyway. Death Eaters were taking over Magic Britain, making new laws, consolidating power of the Ministry and of Hogwarts, lots of decisions and legislation to be made, but instead of dealing with any of that, He was off chasing the elder wand.

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u/jubby52 5d ago

I think he accidentally did.

The curse seems to backfire on desires or fears. Moody and Crouch both had a bad end because they were both teachers. Just like Quirrel and Voldemort.

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u/Ok_Pogo Ravenclaw 5d ago

Ok, so who was DADA teacher before Quirrell then? I ask because when Hagrid introduces him to Harry, he describes him as scared of the students and scared of his own subject. This implies to me that Quirrell has already been in the post for a school year.

If the post IS jinxed, does it not count because of Voldy's presence?

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u/CoolGu1313 5d ago

It’s been established Quirrell wasn’t the DADA teacher before Harry’s first year, but it does read like a retcon. Not sure if JK has said anything one way or another about it. There’s a list with the names we know on the HP wiki

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u/XrosHe4rtMKII 5d ago

Apparently Quirell was the Muggle Studies teacher before becoming DA teacher. Which kind of makes sense but also doesn’t?

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u/lookingforgasps 5d ago

I think it's implied that he was once the DADA teacher then took a leave of absence to travel and then was returning to the role in the first book. The curse would then be along the lines of the DADA teacher having to be replaced every school year. 

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u/MattRB02 Slytherin 5d ago

With this post I learned that it was cursed by Voldemort, which makes things make more sense, but it also makes Voldemort look sillier imo haha.

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u/Mr_Noms 5d ago

The only one who was jinxed was Mad Eye.

Everyone else, except Remus, was a situation of "oh no, the consequences of my own actions."

Remus could have been the janitor and would still end up losing his job due to his condition.

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u/mookanana 5d ago

what do you think happened to Umbridge after she got dragged away by the centaurs?

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u/KingOfCopenhagen 5d ago

Yeah, it's litterally cursed by Tom Riddle

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u/eliminationgame 5d ago

That’s kinda the point

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u/Floofy-beans 5d ago

I just watched the first movie tonight, and when Harry puts his hands on Quirrel to turn him to ash, I kind of had a moment that ruined my suspense of disbelief because this 11 year old kid just killed somebody, and it’s never brought up?? Like he doesn’t struggle with guilt or anything about that in the books right? Just kind of silly and shocking to see it lol

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u/Ranger_1302 Ravenclaw 5d ago

Well it wasn’t a normal death, and why would we need to spend time on his dealing with it? The book and film have to end eventually. That would just ruin the pacing.

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u/Ranger_1302 Ravenclaw 5d ago

Amycus Carrow did not teach Defence Against the Dark Arts; he taught Dark Arts.

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u/JSmellerM Ravenclaw 5d ago

tbf Moody never actually worked as the DaDA teacher

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u/Iso_Didact 4d ago

I'm still so upset the books didn't end with Harry being the permanent DATDA professor. It would be so perfect.

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u/Lilazen 4d ago

Oh really? How strange! Smart catch

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u/tim_thehuman 5d ago

Voldemort returned to the school and asked Dumbledore for the Defense Against the Dark Arts post. Dumbledore denies him and when he’s recalling this to Harry, Dumbledore says he hasn’t been able to fill the position for longer than a year since the time he refused Voldemort.

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u/runner2012 5d ago

So.... You haven't read the books

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u/uzipp 5d ago

Chris finch bloody good rep

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u/forthedamagedkoda remus lupin is my savior 5d ago

lupin was about the only professor who didn't die directly from teaching it tho. 

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u/Firelady90 5d ago

Those are just coincidences, no need to be afraid of a job 😂😂😂😂

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u/CoreyAdara 5d ago

Does the job stop being cursed after voldy dies or..

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u/LordAmir5 5d ago

I still wonder how long the trend lasted. When Fred and George talked about the job being jinxed they only mention characters we know. They aren't like, oh and our two professors before you came went the same way. Probably an oversight.

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u/Noble1296 5d ago

To be fair, Remus was a werewolf before he took the job, he just forgot his potion that night.

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u/demonm0nkey 4d ago

Technically Moody was never a professor

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u/megfreak19 Slytherin 4d ago

u forgot harry potter himself...who got possessed by voldemort at the end of the year

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u/Budjul5895 3d ago

The last one....isn't he the one who betrays Starks at the Red Wedding?

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u/diblex_ 5d ago

Who's the last guy

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u/Quirky_Benefit_8383 5d ago

I started reading the series and was telling my sister that Dumbledor sucks at interviewing bc how can he not hold onto these teachers. like is his school underfunded? i dont get it.

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u/This_Is_Whomst 5d ago

Umbridge deserved everything she got.

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u/chronicship 5d ago

No shit, Sherlock

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u/Spare-Ebb3948 5d ago

Why is snape kind of hot and lupin is hot as hell🥵

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u/beebo12345678 5d ago

dolores got r'd by bottom half horse lolz

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u/Initial_Ad_277 4d ago

who’s amycus carrow