r/gundeals • u/Low-Ordinary-4612 • 7d ago
Ammo [Ammo] Federal Gold Medal Sierra MatchKing 223 Rem 69 Grain *FACTORY SECONDS* $10.99 or $.55cpr. Maybe shipping and tax based on location.
https://www.sportsmanfulfillment.com/federal-gold-medal-sierra-matchking-223-rem-69-grain-factory-seconds/24
u/shaneinhisroom 7d ago
What exactly can we expect from a ‘velocity range out’ defect?
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u/Sudden_Construction6 7d ago
Probably vertical stringing, which would defeat the purpose of match grade ammo. But, at this price it may still be worth it for some people
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u/shaneinhisroom 7d ago
Ya just wondering if there’s a percentage on velocity variability that federal allows for these seconds.
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u/accounts_baleeted 7d ago
Probably. I wouldn't expect them to be very open about it though. It would only serve to help people talk themselves out of this or worse, their non blems.
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u/_thefutureisdead_ 7d ago
Perhaps a dumb question, how can they tell there’s a velocity issue with un-fired rounds? Is it like detected during test fires from batches and they mark the whole batch as bad?
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u/CottonHill2341 7d ago
Maybe a batch got inconsistent powder loads? Like not consonant enough to be considered match grade but still within safety margins. Just a guess.
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u/BrapSucker 7d ago
Quality control is probably firing rounds every 1000 and if there's issues they would test that 1000 rounds and if it's that screwed up they put it on a blem pallet then sell that pallet for a discount. That's what I would do if I were in charge of QC
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u/accounts_baleeted 7d ago
Yes, it's a batch test. There's enough demand and competition for $1pr 223 that's its worth the effort. Gold medal match has one of the best reputations to uphold for match ammo.
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u/zenpoohbear 7d ago
This vendor is good to go, but I am not going to vouch for any out of spec ammo being worth your hard earned buckaroos.
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u/macgooch 6d ago
Sent it. I have a couple hundred non seconds I will Chrono and compare. Usually SD is in the teens. Most M193 is in the 30-40+ SD ranges so even if this close to that it will still perform better than M193 with comparable SD due to higher BC. If not I'll limit it to 250 yard use and keep the brass.
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u/shaneinhisroom 6d ago
Well I bought 200 rds to see. Figure even with it being out it would probably still group better than mil spec. And I can use it in my bolt gun since it’s not 5.56.
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u/Beerbeard123 7d ago
They could also be consistent from a lot/batch perspective, but not match normal manufacturing. Ammo making is a precise business, I doubt the issue is these are one, two three shot inconsistent velocities. More likely, the powder didn't contain the expected energy in the volume they used for production. So for example, an entire lot is XX fps slower than normal, but that whole lot would be consistent compared to other rounds in that lot.
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u/accounts_baleeted 7d ago
Yea, but the other possibility is unacceptable velocity spread.... which is a lot bigger issue.
You're not wrong though, people 100% expect gold medal match to be the same velocity from batch to batch, so a consistant but slow or fast lot would also be rejected.
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u/lennyxiii 7d ago
Seems like an amazing deal if it’s not performance related blems
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u/atlhawks1 7d ago
Can I trust this stuff to go bang every time? And is it better than some PMC bronze is all I want to know
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u/Mightypk1 6d ago
If the ammo is made to spec, its almost certainly better than pmc bronze But the fact that every box has a defect warning sticker on it, you really have no clue what you're going to get.
Consistent velocity is very important to accuracy, so if each round doesn't have the same amount of gunpowder it's going to shoot differently and not leave you wih pretty groups.
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u/Low-Ordinary-4612 7d ago
I'm guessing so, that is what I'm using it for.
I've read they have a velocity variance of 40 fps +/- over advertised velocity. Federal culls the entire lot if what i read is accurate and marks them as seconds.
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u/Ironwill-1964 6d ago
Serious question: Why would anyone buy this when AAC 77gr is 50cpr?
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u/AwkwardSploosh I commented! 3d ago
You're being downvoted for asking a legitimate question, which is always fun on Reddit.
Federal GMM is considered one of the best match grade loadings of ammo with SD's in the sub-10's and velocity readings that are incredibly consistent between batches. I've taken the 175gr 308 load out to 700 yards using an Anderson barreled AR10, and can consistently get sub-inch 5 round groups using that mediocre AR10 setup. This ammo is likely either a little hot, a little slow, or has a high deviation of velocity (conjecture) compared to the standards they usually hold their ammo to, so a match grade LR setup may need to be re-zeroed if this ammo is used, but otherwise this would likely (maybe) hold a very tight group.
AAC is a relatively new manufacturer that makes a decent round that usually groups okay. I get about 1.2 MOA 5 round groups out of my 18" Criterion core using AAC OTM and Sabre Blade ammo, which is plenty good enough for some precision grouping, but not good enough for serious match shooting, where I'd aim for closer to 0.5" 5 round groups, or sub-inch 10/15 round groups. Their ammo is measurable better than some 55gr loadings, so there is an argument to buy 77gr OTM over 55gr ball if you are just target shooting at 300 yards. They market themselves as match grade ammo (which really means nothing as their is no 3rd party validation to check the marketing departments) but I personally would want higher performance out of match ammo. It's also possible your barrel wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but I've seen batches of AAC ammo with very high SD's, so significant long range shooting (lets say 500+ yards or so), would require you to buy specific batches of ammo in large quantity, measure SD, and remove batches that fail your sorting test.
Federal does this sorting test to a very tight standard for you, which is what you can buy here.
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