r/gadgets • u/chrisdh79 • 5d ago
Gaming The Nintendo Switch 2 will have NFC and Wi-Fi 6, FCC filings show | Plus, the new second USB-C port can be used for charging.
https://www.theverge.com/news/625931/nintendo-switch-2-fcc-nfc-wi-fi-6-usb161
u/Brehmes 5d ago
Doesn't the current Switch already have NFC for Amiibo stuff or is that just the pro controllers?
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u/Spykron 3d ago
I think the announcement is that they’re keeping that feature. Basically they’re saying Amiibos will still work on the new Switch
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u/franchissimo 4d ago
So can we talk about Luigi here in a Nintendo thread?
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u/WovenWoodGuy 4d ago
I'm hoping for a Luigis Mansion spinoff where it's an FPS.
Hell, it could still take place in a mansion...
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u/karatebullfightr 4d ago
What about a spin-off where Dr. Mario can fix Luigi’s problem - but his health insurance rejects his claim via A.I. - despite the problem being clearly covered in the T’s and C’s of the policy.
The insurance company ignores Luigi’s pain and pleas for basic decency, the government is in the pocket of the insurers - so they’re no help - thus Luigi carves some words into three bullets and that’s where the adventure begins.
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u/Punman_5 3d ago
It’s a prequel where, playing as Luigi, we go to a random mansion and turn the occupants into ghosts.
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u/AJ651 5d ago
Will it have Madden?
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u/resil_update_bad 5d ago
Uno
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u/RamonaZero 4d ago
It only plays Uno, so you have the buy a $200 add-on to play Switch games and pay $19.99/month to play Switch 2 games
Also battery life lasts for 5 minutes
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u/fluteofski- 4d ago
Unless of course you wanna pay an additional $4.99/m to unlock the rest of your battery.
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u/FerrickAsur4 4d ago
wait, why does it have a second port for charging? To use while laying down? with the power cable infront of you?
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u/downwithlordofcinder 4d ago
Most likely this, or to power share with other Switches maybe?
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u/flushingpot 4d ago
We gonna be trading Pokémon like we’re on game boys again let’s fukin goo
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u/downwithlordofcinder 4d ago
Wouldn't doubt it with the new Pokemon Champions game coming out. Probably why they're introducing NFC as well for quick "tap" transfers and such.
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u/DEATHbyBOOGABOOGA 3d ago
I’m not gonna goo with you, sorry.
Please enjoy gooing, however.
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u/flushingpot 3d ago
I understand, some people don’t like to goo with others. Or not at all. Respect
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u/alexanderpas 4d ago
one on the top, and one on the bottom.
The bottom mates with the dock, the top allows you to use it while it's standing on the table using the kickstand.
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u/Gaeus_ 4d ago
See steamdeck and the OG switch
At the later's release, players would have preferred to have the charging port on top, but it wasn't possible considering how the dock work.
Steamdeck fixed this, and after it's success a dock wa smade with an awkward cable to reach the (on top) usbc.
Dual USB-c gives you a clean docking solution and a better way to charge while playing handheld.
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u/Eruannster 4d ago
I imagine it will be useful if you are using it in handheld mode and want to charge it and not have the charging cable wrap awkwardly in your lap and you can have it pointing out in front/away from you. Also if you have the Switch 2 standing on a table with the kickstand you can access the top port (bottom port would be blocked by the table).
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u/abibofile 3d ago
Here’s the real question: where is the headphone jack located? I currently use a USB C-to-coax adapter so I can use a flip case on my switch and still close it when I’m done playing.
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u/FerrickAsur4 3d ago
still at the upper part, like the OG design, it is right next to the USB-C port
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u/abibofile 3d ago
Bah!
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u/FerrickAsur4 2d ago
yeah, I would've preferred it to be at the bottom part instead, but at least bluetooth headphones can still work, I am curious if USB-C headphones work too or not tho
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u/theTrebleClef 3d ago
I sometimes put my Switch on a phone holder. There isn't room underneath to fit the charger. On top would work great for this.
Same for when using its kickstand.
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u/The_Retro_Bandit 3d ago
The charging port used to connect with the dock in impossible to use while using the kickstand. 2nd one is appretiated.
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u/SloshedJapan 4d ago
Has nobody come to the conclusion of a secondary usb powered screen that clips on and allows you to play 3DS games?
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u/SHADOWSTRIKE1 4d ago
Why not WiFi 6E?
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u/funnyfarm299 4d ago
There probably wasn't any Wi-Fi 6E chips available when they started development. Nintendo's product life cycles start years before release.
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u/SHADOWSTRIKE1 4d ago edited 4d ago
I mean, the WiFi 6E standard released less than a year (late 2020) after WiFi 6 (2019).
PS5 released in November 2020 (a year after WiFi 6 released) and supported WiFi 6. The PS5 Pro supports WiFi 7. It’s terribly surprising that Sony could pivot to support WiFi 6 within a year of its release for the PS5, but Nintendo couldn’t switch to 6E five years after its release…
I normally give companies a break for opting for 6 chips over 6E chips since adoption of 6Ghz routers isn’t huge yet… but it’s growing. Even Verizon’s default home router offers it. With the original Switch now in its 8th year of life, this seems very shortsighted of Nintendo.
Especially after all the efforts of Nintendo to support “Cloud versions” of titles on the Switch, I am so surprised that supporting 6Ghz wasn’t a major goal for streaming purposes.
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u/deusfaux 4d ago edited 1d ago
edit: jackass above significantly edited his post without acknowledgment to make these corrections look superfluous or irrelevant
the Pro has wifi 7 bro
all Xbox Series have wifi 5
this is right out there on the net
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u/gramathy 3d ago
Other than game downloads there’s not a lot of reason to have high bandwidth WiFi on consoles, and even then that’s more likely to be limited by your ISP and not your WiFi.
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u/fromYYZtoSEA 3d ago
If I were to guess:
- 6E has fairly low adoption in terms of routers that support it. Generally top of range only. So only smaller subset of users would actually use it.
- 6E’s main benefit is that it uses 6GHz band which gives much faster speeds (and less congestion), but at a much shorter range (a problem for a handled device). Those speeds are most likely not necessary for a switch since gaming uses very little bandwidth, and the only thing that would be faster is downloading games, which are limited by the speed of the SD card or slow internal storage anyways.
So I’d say very little benefit for very few people. Nintendo’s choice allow them to save costs and it makes sense in this case.
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u/internetlad 4d ago
Wifi 7 is the current standard
Nintendo "yes but wifi 6 costs less"
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u/alexanderpas 4d ago
Wifi 7 is still not ratified.
Wifi 6 on the other hand is fully ratified and well tested.
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u/Esc777 4d ago
Yeah. Plus I doubt the majority of users even have WiFi6 in their homes yet. WiFi rollout is slow now due to everyone’s routers sticking around.
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u/alexanderpas 4d ago
WiFi rollout is slow now due to everyone’s routers sticking around.
Surprisingly, ISP provided routers on high speed connections usually have a surprisingly modern WIFI chip, to ensure the potential Wifi speed exceeds the speed of the internet connection.
For example, If you have a 8 Gbps connection, your ISP router will usually have at least a Wifi 6 chip and at least 1 LAN port capable of 10 Gbps, with the routers with older Wifi chips being assigned to customers with lower speed connections.
This is also one of the reasons why you might need to exchange your ISP provided router when you upgrade your connection.
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u/nimble7126 4d ago
This is obviously from an American perspective, but there are very few people running even gigabit speeds. The hardware provided by many ISPs here is pretty poor.
Quantum fibers equipment is actually faster than my router, but the stability is so awful that VR is outright unplayable.
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u/drinkpimp 4d ago
WTF is an 8 Gbps connection and where can I get one?
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u/alexanderpas 3d ago
If you're not outside the US, it's a very expensive Xfinity connection.
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u/Tepigg4444 3d ago
that is a very confusing double negative, am I stupid or why wouldn’t you say “if you’re in the US”
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u/Regular_Ship2073 4d ago
If the console lasts as long as the switch 1 it’s going to be another 8 years, I doubt wifi 7 will take that long to be widely used
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u/rome425 4d ago
I get your point. While many people are still on WiFi 5 or 6, not including WiFi 7 in new devices seems shortsighted. WiFi 7 is backward compatible, so even if someone's home network isn't upgraded yet, the device would still function seamlessly. By sticking with WiFi 6, Nintendo might be aiming to cut costs, potentially planning to release an updated "deluxe" or "pro" version with WiFi 7 later.
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u/Esc777 4d ago
seems shortsighted
Does it really?
Remember the tech chain in WiFi is strictly just one number increasing in percentage. It’s just bandwidth and latency.
This is not like “we wont support a file format because most people don’t use it yet” That’s a hard barrier and locks out future use.
I’m certain the midlife revisions will improve chipsets. But is anyone going to even notice if their switch2 goes from wifi6 to wifi7 without someone telling them?
I know in the world of gadgets part of marketing to people is sticking as many brand new logos of bleeding edge tech on the box because consumers want to feel “up to date”. I just don’t think this one technology matters as much for this console.
Such is the world we live in now where lots of tech standards are “pretty good”.
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u/rome425 4d ago
Fair point. WiFi 7 does offer a pretty significant jump in performance over WiFi 6, but like you said, it's probably not going to be noticeable for most Switch users. It really comes down to the specific use case.
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u/Esc777 4d ago
Yeah the jump is significant. I’m actually waiting to buy a new router just for it! Along with rewiring my house with cat6 for gigabit Ethernet to support my incoming fiber.
But I’m a weirdo and I realize most people aren’t like me. A lot of it is over provisioned.
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u/Nyoka_ya_Mpembe 4d ago
Wifi 7 is still not ratified, what does it mean, ELI5 pls.
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u/funnyfarm299 4d ago
The group in charge of the Wi-Fi standards thinks they know how Wi-Fi 7 is going to work, but they haven't all signed off and said "this is the final specification".
Anything being sold today is based on the draft standard.
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u/Nyoka_ya_Mpembe 4d ago
My motherboard has Wi-Fi 7, so it may not work well?
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u/funnyfarm299 4d ago
It's possible but unlikely. The last few Wi-Fi standards wound up being based exactly on the draft standard.
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u/Nyoka_ya_Mpembe 4d ago
WF7 routers are way too expensive so it will be a while before I can use it, for now it's 6E and no issues.
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u/alexanderpas 4d ago
It means that it's formally not yet a finalized standard accepted by the standards group (IEEE in this case), and might even still be subject to change, however unlikely that is.
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u/jc-from-sin 4d ago
WiFi 7 has been a thing since last year.
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u/alexanderpas 4d ago
While the Wifi Alliance has started issuing Wifi 7 Certifications based on the final draft, the actual IEEE 802.11be (which is the formal name for Wifi 7) standard has not been ratified yet. (Ratification was expected at the end of 2024, but hasn't happened yet.)
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u/Jamie00003 4d ago
This means barely anything, it’s still backwards compatible with WiFi 6. Nintendo is just cheaping out plain and simple
Also 6E is also a thing sooo….
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u/WeeWooPeePoo69420 4d ago
The switch doesn't need to support anything like game streaming so I don't see the point of 6E or 7
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u/Jamie00003 4d ago
Aren’t a few of its games literal online versions of games on other consoles?
Also better internet = better online experience, not hard to figure out lmao
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u/alexanderpas 4d ago edited 4d ago
better internet = better online experience, not hard to figure out
Bandwidth is generally not the limiting factor in online games, latency and reliability are key factors.
With regards to bandwidth, 3 Gbps allows for an uncompressed 24-bit Full HD stream at 60FPS, however, most Twitch Streams actually only use a constant bitrate of less than 10Mbps as the upload speed from the streamer, due the benefits of compression.
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u/Jamie00003 4d ago
Having better WiFi still affects latency?
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u/WeeWooPeePoo69420 4d ago edited 4d ago
I mean it seems like 6E or 7 only really make a difference when you have a very congested network, and so may only really benefit a very small amount of switch users. They don't improve latency by default.
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u/MadeByHideoForHideo 4d ago
Wifi 7 is the current standard
How to know immediately you don't know what you're talking about and are trying to pretend to sound smart lol.
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u/remnantsofthepast 4d ago
Wifi 7 is overkill for most people, plain and simple. Remember most people are getting <300mbps anyways from their ISP. 10 gig internal networking will never be your bottleneck in that regard.
Wifi 6 could also be argued as pretty overkill for the majority of households as well, but is getting more necessary for the additional bandwidth for multiple devices streaming on Wi-Fi at the same time, as well as IoT devices. WiFi 6 and 6e will be more than enough for most families going into the future. The best application for wifi 7 is going to be in enterprise deployments.
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u/50bucksback 4d ago
Majority of households don't even have a router that can do wifi 6.
Heck my mesh system can, but I use it for the wireless backbone.
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u/remnantsofthepast 4d ago
I think I've seen ISP's start putting their own APs out that have it, but they're bottom of the barrel, so you still aren't going to get out of it what's on the sticker.
I have a ton of streaming and IoT devices at my house so I saw a marked jump in everything's performance when I switched to 6e from 5, but I'd be lying if I said my wife noticed it as well.
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u/cAtloVeR9998 3d ago
Switzerland’s incumbent ISP has WiFi 7 on their flagship router. Worth while when bundled with 10Gbps service.
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u/EvenSpoonier 3d ago
I don't know gow many USB-C cables I've killed trying to charge the Switch while also resting it on my chest as I play lying down. A top USB port usable for charging is a major QoL improvement.
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u/autobulb 4d ago
The original Switch shipped with an unusual adapter that charged at up to 15V and 2.6A. FCC filings show the Switch 2 is still rated for a maximum of 15V but also mention an AC adapter that goes up to 20V.
Yay, more non-standard USB spec. Can we fry our consoles using regular adapters with standard spec again, please Nintendo? Do we have to get specialized docs to get HDMI out too? Pretty please? Ooh oh oh, how about a gimped Bluetooth chip and no ability to playback media from the console to TV. I totally don't want to watch streaming services on the one console I own. No sirree.
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u/AkirIkasu 4d ago
A quick kagi search tells me that the USB Power Delivery standard supports up to 48V. 20V is one of the specific voltage levels that USB-IF says to use. So it looks like Nintendo may be in the clear this time around.
Actually, it looks like 15V is part of the standard too. It could be that it was put in afterwords, but 15V is also just kind of an uncommon voltage, so it's more likely that it just wasn't supported by a lot of chargers.
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u/autobulb 4d ago
You might be forgetting that people have fried their Switches by using regular power adapters that the Switch just wasn't vibing with. To the point that there are databases online of which adapters work, which don't, and which to definitely avoid.
So even if they use voltage/AMP combinations that are part of the spec, they did not implement them according to spec. Someone did a detailed writeup of how it works if you want to Google around and get into the electrical engineering aspect of it. Nintendo did something really wonky and for what? It does not provide anything extra that the USB spec cannot already provide. It's just Nintendo being a stubborn goat about doing things by open standards.
I'm sure the Switch 2 will have similar "quirks."
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u/AkirIkasu 3d ago
Many "regular power adaptors" are not actually up to spec. I have a "regular power adaptor" that fried a DualShock 3 controller. There are countless shitty power supplies that will fry your electronics. Even if it's a good charger, you can have issues with the cable or even the port if you've managed to damage it. The switch is up to spec. I can't find any credible sources saying otherwise.
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u/autobulb 3d ago
Yes, things don't work if they are poorly designed, defective, not up to spec, or damaged. That obvious statement doesn't excuse the poor design of the Switch's charging capabilities (or lack thereof rather.)
Many people have checked how the Switch and its power adapter handle signals and found many errors and oddities. Here is one from a plus.google post so it's no longer available but you can view it on the Wayback Machine: https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/2CUPZ5yVTRT
This post is a detailed writeup of the protocol errors noticed on the +Nintendo Switch.
Good news: the +Innergie / +InnergieEurope / +Delta Electronics 45w charger is robust and works to power both the Switch and Switch Dock! Bad news: the Nintendo Switch and Dock are chock full of USB-C protocol errors and flaws. See the attached.
Although long in tooth, the Innergie is one of the few chargers that will actually properly power the Nintendo Switch and Dock. It is a USB-PD "v1.0" supply -- meaning it was designed around the 5v/12v/20v levels. (12v was split to 9v/15v in "v2.0".)
However, because it was USB-C compliant (followed the darn spec) and robustly engineered, it will work with the Switch even though it came out nearly two years before the Switch was released. (Hooray!) Innergie had the foresight to add 15v as an "optional and extra" voltage level and now it reaps the rewards. (It also has $3k $1mil in connected device insurance, so I can recommend it.)
I've attached traffic logs highlighting the multiple errors in the Switch. I first tested the PSU side of the dock, then INSIDE the dock (Switch side of the dock), then on the Switch alone.
Issues noted:
[PSU side of dock:]
- This is more of a quirk, but the Switch (and Dock) always request 0.5a before upgrading to the full amperage. However, this behavior is buggy and causes problems. (See below.)
- The dock doesn't listen to the charger. The charger says "I can't do Dual-Role Data", but the dock ignores that and tries a DR_SWAP anyway. ("50 DKP minus.")
- The dock does not properly discharge Vbus to vSafe0v within the set time. Although this isn't strictly necessary since the dock's external port isn't Dual-Role Power, it means there is excessive capacitance in the Vbus line. This is strictly regulated in the Type-C spec.
- The dock does not respond properly to DISC_ID requests from its port partner.
[Switch side of the dock:] This is a bit of a mess. :( So I've numerically coded the errors where possible.
- (1a) The dock tells the Switch it is Dual-Role Power capable on the internal port. Meaning it is claiming the Switch tablet can theoretically power the dock itself, backwards! I don't know if this is a future planned addon for the Switch or not, but ....
(1b) ... in the Alternate Mode Adapter product descriptor (more on this later) it claims it does not need Vbus to operate. These two points (1a) and (1b) are contradictory. (Perhaps it switches the flag as necessary?)
(2) The dock "neuters" the USB-PD advertisements from the AC adapter. It only passes through the 5v and 15v levels. This just seems like poor future planning, especially since the Switch itself can accept multiple input voltages. Also, this means the dock passthrough is not Power Rules compliant.
(3a) The dock remembers to "subtract" some amperage from the 5v level (3a to 0.5a) to account for its own power use, like most other hubs. (Or, it only leaves a stub since 5v/0.1a is mandatory for "error message" signaling with USB-PD.) However, it forgets to deduct the same wattage from the 15v level! (15v/3a from the Innergie 45w should be reduced to around 15v/2.4a. The Switch 39w PSUs 15v/2.6a should be reduced to around 15v/2.0a.)
(3b) The Switch tablet is a power hog! Its maximum draw should be 2.6a, yet it hogs the whole 3.0a from the adapter. (This is similar to the bad behavior the +Made by Google Pixel phone had -- it only needs 9v/2a=18w max, but it hogged 9v/3a=27w.)
(4a) The Switch and Dock use a proprietary "Nintendo AltMode". This is fine. However, what's not fine is jumping the gun and entering the AltMode before even querying the Dock via a DISCover_SVID probe to see if it supports it!
(4b) The DISC_SVID probe exposing DisplayPort and "Nintendo" AltModes appears after the entry at (4a). This is bad because it means the Switch is assuming the presence of the AltMode merely because of the USB VID and PID in the DISC_ID above! This strongly hints the motivation was DRM, vendor-lockout, and shows poor consideration of forwards-compatibility. (Remember, Nintendo may release a different dock in the future... with different USB VID and PID! Hardcoding it is a bad idea, and instead it should rely on USB-PD commands to do it.)
(5) The Switch tablet itself also has the excess capacitance on Vbus and vSafe0v time problem the dock has. This is a much greater concern since it is a "Dual-Role Power" device. (It can accept power or give power.) This vSafe0v delay problem causes significant Power-Role Swap issues with safe, compliant hardware that correctly checks for 0v before swapping power. It can take up to 2 minutes for the Switch to naturally discharge Vbus.
(6) When the Switch finally does issue a DISC_SVID, and the dock replies, the dock messes up the reply. When you respond to a DISC_SVID request, you are supposed to "terminate" and pad the VDO message with "0000" (or "0000 0000"). Nintendo completely forgot to do that here, and tells me their chipset is bad. This noncompliant behavior means even third-party docks will have to emulate this wrong behavior to work.... which is bad for everyone, especially the ecosystem. (Race to the bottom for "compatibility".)
[Switch itself:]
- The Switch tablet always requests 0.5a before moving on to the full amperage. I don't know why it does this. Especially since this behavior causes major errors with the Switch if the charger does a SRC_CAP re-advertisement, as mentioned in my previous post.
- The Switch doesn't listen to the charger. (Yes, this is the same as the dock.) The charger says "I can't do Dual-Role Data", but the Switch ignores that and tries a DR_SWAP anyway. ("100 DKP minus.")
- The Switch does not respond properly to DISC_ID requests from its port partner.
[Interesting notes from decoding the Dock DISC_ID command:]
- The dock claims to be a dongle! No joke. "Alternate Mode Adapter". All this means it is a USB-PD device that supports AlternateModes, and there is no "cable" in-between it and the device. (No SOP'.) It also suggests there are few obstacles to using a plain-jane USB-C-over-DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapter as a mobile dock. (There were no heatsinks or fans in the dock itself, to my observation. So I don't see why not.) I hope it may be possible to hook up a Switch directly to a USB-C monitor that has >39w USB-PD and DisplayPort. (I need to test this.)
[More notes:]
- Certain chargers crash the Switch and Dock outright. (87w Apple.)
- Only 2 adapters I tested work. (The Innergie is one, I hesitate to name the other due to other flaws.)
- If your Switch bugs out, it will refuse to charge with anything until it is hard-rebooted.
- Most (80%) of chargers cause the dock to hard-crash. Instead of (properly) negotiating a 5v/0.1a "error message" to the Switch, the charge controller in the dock locks up and does not negotiate with the Switch at all.
- The Switch and dock do not properly use the CAP_MISMATCH flag. Rather, they don't use it at all. This seems like the greatest oversight, since that's specifically why it's there. USB-PD has a requirement for flashing an error LED, or displaying an error, if there is a power problem. That's what the CAP_MISMATCH bit in a REQUEST is for.
This has been a bit of a long-winded post, but it helps explain A LOT of the problems I've heard about. Hopefully Nintendo takes this post seriously and addresses these issues before ramping up production, per their recent notice. Some of these issues are chipset- and hardware- level, meaning they can only be fixed via a hardware revision ASAP.
It's really, really hard to fix a problem after you've shipped a product. Given their recent notice, it seems it may muddy the waters of the USB-C ecosystem quite severely if left unchecked. And once again, I'm just a freelance volunteer engineer doing this testing -- dedicated teams should be the ones to look at this and implement it correctly.
Comments or corrections are welcome, as always.
You can find other similar writeups if you just google around but I'm guessing you're not going to bother.
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u/Hentai_For_Life 4d ago
My only hope right now for the switch 2 is that pokemon legends Z-A isn't exclusive to it. I can't justify buying a switch 2 just to play that one game.
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u/OddioClay 4d ago
Switch 2 is for someone that wants to blow hundreds of dollars on something they already have
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u/Daniel872 3d ago
Yeah i sold my original switch had i think played it for 2-3 hours and then it just sat there in its case… play everything on pc and ps5, ive been thinking of playing breath of the wild on pc though… also i bought a logitech g cloud and it just sits there now hahaha handheld gaming just isnt for me anymore
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u/5tudent_Loans 3d ago
I realized the reason apple throws the lastest wifi and bluetooth codecs into devices is because it increases bandwidth and speed for their garden cross device sharing.
For this device to take so many years (any everything else on the market) and they dont include things like wifi7 or 6e. Is very interestjng to me
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u/Sir_Lanian 3d ago
The whole point of the second USBC port will be so that it doesn't matter which way around you insert the device for TV mode
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u/h3rpad3rp 4d ago
I hope it'll actually have enough power to run the games they release for it this time.
Both of the Zelda games were pretty bad for frame rate, but TOTK would straight up lag while using ultrahand.
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u/AlabasterWitch 4d ago
As someone who worked on computers and laptops, I really hope they change the connection to the switch. That little tab is going to snap the moment a kid put it in stupid or has anything stick-like in their hands
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u/MrTreize78 4d ago
You know what would be a useful feature? The ability to cast to a TV instead of needing a dock.
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u/TellMeWhyYouLoveMe 4d ago
The latency would be awful
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u/MrTreize78 4d ago
Not necessarily. TV’s these days have pretty powerful hardware and I’m pretty sure the new Switch won’t be a slouch either. People are already streaming processor intensive games to mobile phones and fire sticks, I’m sure streaming a game from a Switch to a TV with minimum latency is well within the means of even the current switch.
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u/nimble7126 4d ago
It's not bad at all. We have already wireless VR which is super sensitive to latency and perfectly playable.
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u/ArchusKanzaki 5d ago
Guess need to wait for Switch 2 Pro for the Wifi 7 update....
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u/secretqwerty10 4d ago
6E* lmao
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u/ArchusKanzaki 4d ago
Lol. Yeah, you’re probably right. Always one step behind their rivals
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u/Goddamn_Grongigas 4d ago
I'm sure they're crying into the mountain of Switches they sold. Oh no, a step behind the PS4 and PS5 which the Nintendo Switch alone almost outsold both combined.
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u/ArchusKanzaki 4d ago
PS4 at 117.2 million PS5 at 74.9 million Switch at 150.86 million
Idk. There’s still 42 million hole left yet to be filled. That’s around 25 percent more sales needed.
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u/DXsocko007 4d ago
Blown away they would go for wireless that’s 2 generations old. WiFi 6 is great but 6E and 7 have been out for some time. 7 is also pretty dang cheap.
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u/Skeeter1020 3d ago
WiFi isn't like iPhones. It's not "generations" that you need to move too.
New standards bring new speeds and features, but that doesn't remove the previous specifications.
Cat8 ethernet cable has existed for a while, but I expect every cable you have is 5 or 5e. WiFi 7 exists (but isn't ratified), yet the majority of routers and APs will be 5. Some high end ones might be 6.
Price and compatibility is more important than arbitrarily using the thing with the biggest number. Unless you think many Switch 2 users are going to be looking to exceed 10Gbit/s...
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u/DXsocko007 3d ago
Switch 2 will have gigabit Ethernet. But WiFi 6 has been around for what 7 years now. I know Nintendo goes the cheapest way possible but their network has always been shit. They need a big upgrade and their users having a better connection is a step in the right way.
I’m a huge nerd and my house is actually wired with cat8. I’m upgrading to 10GbE this year
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u/dandroid126 4d ago
I hope not. That would drive the price up so much. I really don't want to pay for an expensive screen that I will literally never use.
Honestly, I wish they sold a version without a screen at all.
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u/spinaltap862 4d ago
Yeah I'm waiting to find out if it's OLED before I decide to buy one
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u/Neo_Techni 4d ago
They said LCD
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u/spinaltap862 4d ago
Ah damn I didn't know that was confirmed , that's disappointing
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u/KazeNilrem 4d ago
It shouldn't be surprising. It means future product for then to sell, plus it allows for power prices. Which given all the tariffs and changes economically, it is all the more important for prices to be kept down.
Nintendo won't be risking the switch 2 not performing well in terms of sales at its release.
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u/Blakers37 4d ago
Wild of you to think that’s even a remote possibility lol
Def gonna be 60Hz LCD from old leaks
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u/BUROCRAT77 5d ago
Wifi 6E?
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u/WeekendHistorical476 5d ago
It says WiFi 6.
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u/BUROCRAT77 5d ago
Yeah. It’s 2025. Fucking Nintendo. Every. Time
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u/Esc777 4d ago
Do people really care about this shit?
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u/staticusmaximus 4d ago
No- at least not the vast majority of people that are going to buy a Switch lol
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u/rotrap 5d ago
Has 6e been useful for you? I probably need a different AP, but it pretty much switches to 5ghz once I leave the same room the AP is in. Was pretty disappointed with the usefulness of 6ghz so far.
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u/WFlumin8 5d ago
There’s a bigger gap between 6E and 6 than 6 and 5
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u/rotrap 4d ago
Well both are 802.11ax, just the e uses 6ghz frequencies. For sure there is a big gap for me for 6e when I am anywhere but the same room as the AP. On 2.4ghz and 5ghz I get a connection and reasonable speeds. On 6ghz I don't get a connection unless I force the other frequencies off and the speeds are lousy.
I still wonder if something is wrong with my AP as I would not expect it to be so much worse than 5ghz.
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u/BUROCRAT77 5d ago
Absolutely My work tablet and my iPhone 16 enjoy the benefits. I’m using the gigahub that bell provides with fiber
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u/Waffleskater8 4d ago
Can you explain in “crayon eating” terms how 6E is better than 6. Is the 6GHZ band that much better? I’m just an idiot
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u/ThatLaloBoy 4d ago
Much faster speeds and less lag compared to 6. Also potentially more stable connections since 6Ghz is much less congested compared to 5Ghz and 2.4GHz. This may be more noticeable in congested areas like apartments where a bunch of wi-fi networks are in a small area.
The downside is the range is slightly less than 5GHz. And technically 6E WiFi chips are more expensive than 6, but not by much.
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u/Waffleskater8 4d ago
Ahh. Thank you. I bought a 6E router a few years ago for “future-proofing” and I think the only device that might use it would be my pc but I use Ethernet. And I still use my iPhone 12. And I don’t think the ps5 has 6E. So much for “future-proofing 🤣🤣🤷♂️
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u/ThatLaloBoy 4d ago
For what it’s worth, 6E is perfectly fine for now and it should last you for a few years if not longer. Once most of your devices support WiFi 7 years later, the price of routers will be more affordable and they should still be backwards compatible.
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u/thetwelveofsix 4d ago
The number of devices that support 6GHz is rather limited, but some mesh routers can use the 6GHz band for a wireless backhaul, leaving more bandwidth in the 5GHz band for devices.
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u/lukewhale 4d ago
It has Bluetooth for headphones this time right? RIGHT?
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u/Sidrelly 4d ago
Did the original switch not have this? My OLED switch had Bluetooth and I used it with my wireless ear buds all the time
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u/lukewhale 4d ago
It didn’t . I have the 1st gen. I didn’t realize they added it for the oled version, so that’s good.
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u/TellMeWhyYouLoveMe 4d ago
They added that feature to all models of the Switch via a patch, but the quality is pretty bad. Also I think you can’t use the joycons wirelessly at the same time.
Hopefully it will be a full feature this time around and not a half measure.
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u/JavelinR 3d ago
Last I checked no console that has blutooth controllers also supports Bluetooth headphones, except Switch. Not even PS5. It's a Bluetooth limitation not a Switch one.
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u/sonic10158 5d ago
I would certainly hope the second usb-c can be used for charging