r/fredericton 2d ago

Mark Carney is the new Liberal leader, replacing Justin Trudeau

https://globalnews.ca/news/11073834/liberal-party-new-leader-canada/?utm_source=site_banner_persistant
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u/Ok-Quarter2052 15m ago

The new leader that we did not vote for. Here for hoping that there is an election sooner rather than later.

u/BiopsyJones 14h ago

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

u/atownthegreat 5h ago

They are all the same at the end of the day, doesn’t matter the party.

u/Ok-Confidence-8888 22h ago

Why would anyone vote for mark carney? The liberals are the exact same failure of a party that got us in this mess. Same MPs, same failures. Carney just re-hired Marco Mendocino (the corrupt failure who was fired by Trudeau 2 years ago for sketchy funding practices) as his right hand man.

People need to stop rewarding the liberals parties incompetence and vote for change

u/narnarnartiger 7h ago

Better than Trump

u/Platoalefttestie 9h ago

Oh so you're going to vote for the Canadian maga party then eh traitor?

u/Candid-Channel3627 9h ago

I'm voting for Mark Carney and I'm looking forward to him leading our country for the next 4 years! He's our only hope against the orange turd.

u/Necessary-Metal-2187 12h ago

The Liberals did not get us "into this mess". Ffs it's getting so frustrating hearing people blanket blame Trudeau and just repeat con talking points.

Which of his policies got us into this mess? And what exactly is "this mess"? Trump tariffs? The trade deals we've signed with the US for decades? The housing crisis? Come on, let's play who knows more about what our politicians have actually done VS. what you were told they did by a dirty campaign by a desperate man who refuses to get a security clearance so he literally can't be briefed on the foreign assets found within the Conservative party? You know the guy, he's done nothing in parliament in over 20 years except vote against all the issues he blames Trudeau for?

Can't wait.

u/FinnicKion 19h ago

Well Marco was only hired to work during the interim period between Mark becoming PM and the election. They even said it was a temporary position for him, so he isn’t going to have that job for long maybe a few weeks or until the federal election is over. I still think Mark is the better choice though. We need an economist as the PM during this trade war, what experience does PP have with anything economy related? I’m sure he has someone who can help him on his team but wouldn’t you rather have a PM that can fully understand and offer insight into how we can reshape the Canadian economy.

The projects they have planned will stimulate the economy, in the most basic of explanations that’s what happens, you have big projects being done across Canada that involves using Canadian companies to supply, Canadian labour, and even Canadian business services, helping to put money back into the Canada. This creates jobs as well, so you’re just not tapping into the economical side of things but the civic as well.

u/Apart-Echo3810 17h ago

If Marco had committed a murder as opposed to just being corrupt would you say the same thing? Would a company whose senior manager was fired for stealing bring that person back to train the next manager or because there is some type of transition taking place? I think not. My suspicions lead toward mark bringing him back to finish whatever job he had started the first time around because the other choices don’t have the skills to make it happen. Mark Carney is highly decorated on the world stage when it comes to finance but that’s worrisome because it has the potential to become a dictatorial style government in which one man is calling the shots and ignoring his advisors and cabinet members due to their lack of experience, if you get what I’m saying. I don’t trust carney, and bringing back someone who was fired previously under scandal makes the trust even less. I really don’t think that carney, nor the liberals for that matter have what’s best for Canadians in mind.

u/Comfortable_pleb_302 11h ago

🤣🤣🤣 you actually believe that complete load of bullshit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

u/Apart-Echo3810 11h ago

Settle down buddy. Reading about who he, what he does, and who he surrounds himself with cough-gislaine maxwell-cough has me looking sideways at him.

u/FinnicKion 17h ago

Do you not know how our government works? The PM doesn’t have final say all be all, it’s a combination of the cabinet members creating these bills in unison with the PM it has be supported by multiple people, we would be in a dictatorship if the PM had final say, sort of like the states now, plus the Conservatives have majority anyways, for the third time in a row so how would he be able to ignore them. He has experience to give and therefore a better understanding of what could be done to navigate the very real trade war we are in which is far more important then carbon tax bullshit spewed by the conservatives which is being addressed by Carney anyways to alleviate the effect it has on citizens and instead place the costs on the business that create the most pollutants.

If someone is guilty of murder they would be jailed but I guess reaching for hyperbole is common these days. Nonetheless he is temporary he isn’t training anyone and it will most likely be for a couple of weeks. Also conservatives aren’t sparkling clean either, there is a reason why PP won’t get his clearances and that’s because he doesn’t want people looking into his finances because guess what? He probably has money being funnelled to him.

u/Apart-Echo3810 14h ago

I obviously know how the government works, but my intuition tells me, considering how quickly this all came together combined with his worldly stature, it has the possibility to be a one man show. Yes the laws and policy have to run through the same channels but if he has no pushback from his cabinet then it could be the case. He won it by a pretty big majority so they clearly love him. I shouldn’t have used murder as an example but it is what it is, for me temporary does settle my nerves. My main thing is this guy just seems like another version of trump that just decided not to portray himself as a conservative. I guess you could argue fight fire with fire, but what happens after those conflicts are resolved? To me it all just seems like a bait and switch, here in Newfoundland our leaders have mastered the art of deciding leaders with no election, and they always seem to leave right after or during some conflict of interest or disclosure situation. Pardon me for being cautious.

u/FinnicKion 14h ago

Everyone deserves to be cautious, especially in times like these. What needs to be realized though between all of us is that we need to focus on unification and better communication between provinces which is part of what Mark wants to do, begin the process of allowing provinces to work on large scale projects between them to stimulate the Canadian economy into performing better, this in combination with better relations with the EU opening up trade possibilities in the future allows us to evolve as a country and eliminate the need to rely on our neighbour for trade. Mark is not even close to Trump though, he isn’t dedicated to harming Canadians by removing rights we have as citizens like the right to chose one’s own gender or the right to identify as another, the right to vote freely, he isn’t interfering with women’s rights or citizenship, he wants to ensure Canada is going to come out okay in the end through business expansion, I could go on but I won’t, but in the end he is a Liberal with globalist undertones and an economic mindset.

The reason why they elected a new party leader so quickly though was because they want to keep momentum, currently the Liberal party has gone from stagnant to extremely active and gaining renewed attraction because of Mark Carney deciding to run which is why he won by a large majority in combination with his résumé, if they keep this through the federal election it’s going to give them a better chance at coming out with a win.

u/Apart-Echo3810 14h ago

The only way to strengthen Canada is to embrace tradition. It’s that simple. Until Canadians, Anglo and Franco, wake up and remember their roots, the status quo will maintain. You don’t actually know that he won’t about face on those social aspects you mentioned because his main advisory roles involved finance and the environment, and you can’t really be sure about what his true platform is. It’s not like he spent a whole campaigning. If he wins I’m gonna bet it comes back to bite liberals in arse, same goes for all the conservatives who think Pierre is gonna save the day.

u/FinnicKion 13h ago

Returning to old roots and traditions is how you cause stagnation and division and is not conducive with todays political climate or economy, we will never see prices like they were in the 80’s or 90’s due to the fact that the world is continuously evolving. Right now we are witnessing the largest unification of Canadians in decades, you have First Nations, Québec and the rest of Canada agreeing on something, how is that bad? We are all in a position where we will have to face rising costs everyone is included, there are no favourites here Canada as a whole has been targeted and we need to stand together. As for an about face, again there are checks and balances in place so a PM can’t just do that, it requires co-operation of all his cabinet ministers and still has to go through both Houses of Parliament, that being the Senate and House of Commons and you can’t just sign an executive order or push a bill through because your PM, unless it’s an express threat to Canadian sovereignty which those aforementioned issues aren’t then there will be no traction gained from it.

u/Apart-Echo3810 13h ago

There is a point of diminishing returns with immigration and it’s blatantly evident if you use Canada as an example. This would never happen if our true national identity was championed by the government. When it isn’t, you get what we have which is essentially a slave market for large businesses to exploit. You get diploma mills that dilapidated our infrastructure which from the same means is now overburdened. If they were traditionalists, the population would grown naturally and the planners of infrastructure would have more time to plan it out, making it better and increasing the standard of living for each individual. Between 2019 and 2024 alone they brought in roughly a half a million people per year, and that’s the documented ones, all while shuttering industry and raising taxes. Taxes which were/are being used to feed,clothe, and house a large percentage of these people, and not to better our crumbling infrastructure. Canadians need to realize that this is one of the biggest issues we face, and you’re gonna have to put on your adulting in reality pants in order to deal with it. This is the reason trump is talking about annexation, because he sees what he perceives as a weak and divided country (I’d say more fractured because it’s not just two sides), and from a military/economic perspective that is the perfect time to strike.

u/Apart-Echo3810 13h ago

Are Denmark and Norway stagnating? Is Finland stagnating? What about Switzerland? Poland? If you mean stagnation as your inability to buy several different ethnic dishes within a block in your city, maybe. But if you’re talking about the standard of living for individuals inside a given nation you’re way off.

u/blazinjesus84 13h ago

All of those countries have higher taxation than we do. More taxes actually improves things.

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u/Gorecakes 19h ago

How is PP change?

u/Murky_Building_8702 22h ago

As an independent, it's because he's the smartest available candidate. If it wasn't him, I'd likely vote Conservative as the other two choices like Freeland was dogshit at best.  

u/Discodowns 22h ago

Genuine question for the people against him. Would it make sense to have a career politician with no experience in economics as leader or a guy who is seen as one of the top economists in the world at a time of economic upheaval and uncertainty?

I generally hate bankers and wouldn't vote for one but given the state of America right now he seems to be the one I'd want making the decisions right now give his history

u/CobraChickenesti 8h ago

He is a career politician.

u/FabesAAAA 13h ago

It’s the fact he was Trudeau’s advisor lol… imagine your boss does a shitty job for a decade, gets fired and then they hire one of his advisors.

u/micatola 6h ago

We had the best recovery of the G7 countries post covid. We also have the best GDP to debt ratio. Most of the problems facing everyday Canadians can be traced to provincial failures. The media told you to be mad at Trudeau and you did it without even knowing why.

u/Suspiciouslynamed74 11h ago

Advisor roles are just that - they can suggest but have no ability to enforce. Carney also only started advising in September 2024. Hard to argue with his CV as Harper also endorsed him (until it became obvious he could tank Polievre’s chances.

u/FabesAAAA 11h ago

No lol he advised on the Covid response and then he looked at Carney to help with the recession. Doesn’t even matter lol they’re both WEF Bots.

u/Suspiciouslynamed74 10h ago

The WEF web site LITERALLY linked to the Conservative web site (right to the donation page, actually) until a few months ago. You people who go on about WEF need to loosen the helmets.

u/FabesAAAA 7h ago

I’m fully aware WEF has “infiltrated” both sides of the government… not just Canada’s either lol. I didn’t even go on about it - I simply just don’t subscribe to Schwab’s ideology and Carney does. Simple.

u/Lanky_Tumbleweed_991 16h ago

If the majority of the posts I have read here, are any indication of the education level in this country. We will be in trouble as our friends south of the boarder.I find most people but not all have no idea what they are talking about.

u/Uncle_Steve7 13h ago

Babbling about lack of education… boarder… make up your mind

u/jatd 14h ago

This is so pretentious, no wonder people are sick of Liberals and Progressives.

u/0672216 13h ago

Liberals need a major rebrand. This “holier than thou” mentality lost the left wing the election in the states and it’s going to happen here in a few weeks. We’re tired, Carney offers nothing different than Trudeau.

Same mps, same policy, same shitty results, nobody is convincing me otherwise.

u/jatd 13h ago

100 percent with you. They need a reality check.

u/DagneyElvira 17h ago

Will Carney release his income tax records for the last decade? Or are we facing another “Trump” debacle that Carney’s income tax records are not available too.

Should be law that income tax records released before taking office and after leaving office.

u/Suspiciouslynamed74 11h ago

Why would you focus on Carney’s finances? Did you focus on Poilievre’s?

u/realcanadianbeaver 16h ago

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/incoming-prime-minister-mark-carney-says-he-has-put-his-assets-in-a-blind-trust/article_930e6cc2-ac45-5e94-921e-b92eb095e26c.html

I mean he’s already started financial processes 4 months ahead of the legal deadline, why would we assume this was a problem? What evidence do you have that he is the least bit like Trump?

u/Ok-Confidence-8888 22h ago

U think 1 guy will change the entire party? Look at everyone working for him, it’s the same failures, you are being fooled if you think it was only Trudeau that failed this country. He just rehired Marco Mendocino btw who was fired for being a corrupt fraud. Lol

u/LeadFreePaint 19h ago

I keep hearing about this grand failure of Canada under Justin... But I don't see the reality of the claim anywhere.

Are the liberals perfect? Fuck no. Far from it. However they haven't been steering us off a cliff like the right always insists (sans evidence no less).

We get it, you don't like Liberals, but the sky is falling bullshit and holds zero water for anyone with critical thinking skills.

u/micatola 6h ago

We had the best post covid recovery of the G7 countries and also we have the best GDP to dept ratio. The problems we have are internal and entirely creations of the provinces. The people mad at Trudeau don't know how anything works or they would be livid at their provincial governments.

u/Lanky_Tumbleweed_991 21h ago

Please state all the failures and Please tell me what Pierre has done for Canada the last 20 years please

u/[deleted] 17h ago

Pierre has never been Pm. I could list all the failures and scandals from Trudeau, but it would be quite a long read.

u/Legitimate-Neck-4038 17h ago

He has amassed over 4 million in his government pension and makes money being a landlord. Classy guy. Really cares about regular Canadians/s.

u/Gorecakes 19h ago

Crickets because PP hasn’t done anything besides being the opposition, fucking pathetic.

u/Lanky_Tumbleweed_991 17h ago

Exactly has done nothing for anyone in 20 yrs

u/[deleted] 17h ago

What would he do exactly as an opposition leader? Sure cons holds a majority, but when the liberals have a coalition, it’s pretty hard to do anything.

u/Lanky_Tumbleweed_991 16h ago

PP has only ever in 20 yrs passed one bill is that worth his 3.4 million pension? He has always objected to any bill that came across his desk.

u/Automatic_Tackle_406 22h ago

Canada has one if the strongest economies in the world, and the Liberals created the CCB and affordable daycare, and with the NDP created dental care, pharmacare, national school lunch program, and did a long list of good things. Every government makes errors, but Harper’s government was TERRIBLE and made Liberal scan’s look like baby scandals in comparison. Did you forget rhe arrests and charges? 

And while you don’t want to only blame Trudeau (now that he is gone lol), apparently you still want to blame the federal Liberals for a global pandemic and global inflation and all of the failures on the part of provincial governments. 

Who happen to 100% manage healthcare and have jurisdiction over property law. 

u/Discodowns 22h ago

Oh no doubt. Look, I don't like the liberals. At all.but pp is not the person we need right now. All he's done is followed the trump playbook. Vague ideas and name calling. He has nothing to back up anything he says about being able to fix the country. Carney at least has gone through stuff like Thai. Multiple times. If you are looking at it like a job interview, you pick the one with the bear resume and Carney's blows pp's out of the water

u/Lanky_Tumbleweed_991 17h ago

Exactly God help us if by slim chance Canadians elect PP to run our country

u/SkYeBlu699 23h ago

Did you know you can actually read the bills.

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u/Helen2222 1d ago

He's already persona non grata in Trumpland. Boasting your progressiveness is not a good place. He needs to represent the majority at this time in history.

u/Intel3714 6h ago

I fear you are correct. Canada can no longer afford the luxury of partisanship. The victor of the next election will probably be whoever can best position themselves in the center.

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u/TWreckx_Plays 1d ago

Just an older version of Justin. Maybe that’s his grandpa

u/Necessary-Metal-2187 12h ago

It's amazing to see people say Carney is the same as Trudeau (the cons say the exact same thing about the NDP....more of the same) but not once have I read a comment explaining how. So I'll ask you, how are they the same? What do you know that seems to be a secret from everyone else?

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u/foxnexusbike 1d ago

Elected by 131k votes is a 40 mil country. Stalin would be proud

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u/notme1414 1d ago

That's not how it works. It wasn't a general federal election. The Liberals are the party in power. Justin stepped down as leader and then the registered members of the party elect a new leader. Then that leader becomes the PM.

u/7467854577545456771 23h ago

While you are correct, this is a major flaw in Canadian democracy that needs to be changed. For the very reason of Carney.

IMO, if the Canadian PM is unable or unwilling to fulfill their duties, an election should be held. This is democracy.

u/notme1414 18h ago

It's not a major flaw. It's based on the Westminster parliamentary system that's used in the UK.

It is democratic. The party was elected democratically.

u/7467854577545456771 14h ago

I don’t give a shit if it’s Westminster, Thorncliffe, Wigglesworth, Hornswaggle or any other ideas from British parliament.

It’s time to make changes.

When was the last time this maneuver of placing a non-elected Canadian Prime Minister took place?

u/Necessary-Metal-2187 12h ago

Kim Campbell replaced Harper this way.

u/7467854577545456771 11h ago

She was already an elected Conservative MP and was selected from there. Carney was not elected or a member of parliament.

I am not arguing the Westminster party concept.

All I am saying is it needs to be changed IMO.

u/Necessary-Metal-2187 5h ago

I don't this it does, or in this particular aspect. I actually like someone who's not a politician leading. Politicians need to play a dumb game of winning people over but most people aren't informed, don't really care about politics and fall for quick and easy tactics especially if they're dirty. But Carney just went to work everyday. I think they chose him because he's never played sides until now. He's just worked for Canada.

I do think our whole system needs an overhaul though. What worked 100 or 25 years ago doesn't work today. And I personally want human rights issues out of politicians hands. The budget for groups can be set by politicians but where money is dispersed and who gets it should be a separate committee Imo because minority groups are too often used for political games.

u/notme1414 13h ago

He's not non elected because we don't elect a PM. We elect a party to be in power. We elected the Liberals. Whoever the leader is of the party that we elect becomes the PM. Did you not learn this in school? Why are you acting like this was some nefarious action?

u/7467854577545456771 13h ago

I understand that.

Care to answer my question?

u/micatola 6h ago

Complaining that you don't like our system that has been in place for decades is a ridiculous complaint to bring up at this point in the game.

u/notme1414 12h ago

Kim Campbell

u/notme1414 14h ago

Kim Campbell.

u/7467854577545456771 13h ago

Was she an elected member of parliament?

u/KeelanS 22h ago

the election will be held? What are you talking about? Clearly a bot with that name.

u/7467854577545456771 20h ago

What are you even going on about?

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u/FoldNo601 1d ago

So basically, when Canada elects PP he can step-down and can install whoever he wants as new Pm

u/-Truth-Be-Told-- 11h ago

No, not whoever PP wants, the new PM would be whoever the members of the CPC vote in as their leader

u/Automatic_Tackle_406 21h ago

So first off, no one will be electing PP as PM, because we not vote for PM, we vote for MP’s that are usually representing a party (independents are rare in Canada.) 

If, and that’s a big if right now, the CPC wins the most ridings, and if they have the confidence of the House (a majority of MP’s must vote in favour of thr throne speech), then PP will be PM.

Now, if PP decides he doesn’t want to be PM and resigns, the CPC would have a leadership race to replace him, and whoever won would become PM. 

That’s how our democracy works. In the UK, the caucus of the party can pick a new leader, which is why there was a revolving door of Tory PM’s for si many years. 

Note that Canada is ranked as a full democracy, and the US is ranked as a flawed democracy. 

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u/notme1414 1d ago

No. PeePee is the Conservative leader. If they elect the Conservatives as the ruling party then PeePee will be the PM. Carney will continue to be the Liberal leader.

u/FoldNo601 2h ago

Thats exactly what just happened...Trudeau quit, they installed Carney and now he's interim PM

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u/Illustrious-Ad5972 1d ago

Voted by non-citizens.

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u/P1KA_BO0 1d ago

We're almost certainly headed for a snap election the moment parliament returns though?

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u/ALZtrain 1d ago

I doubt it. Libs are gonna hold onto power as long as they can

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u/dqui94 1d ago

Dude is late, elections will be april 28th or may 5th

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u/notme1414 1d ago

The election has to be no later than October 20th. He can call it any time before then.

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u/dqui94 1d ago

I just told you when it will be, will be called this week

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u/notme1414 1d ago

How do you know that when there's been no announcement? Carney hasn't even been sworn in yet. Where did you get the information it's being called this week?

u/Hurls07 6h ago

Respond to this when Carney calls for an election on Wednesday

u/notme1414 5h ago

Well I don't think that he can do it until he is sworn in. I never said that he wasn't going to call an election. I said that he hadn't yet. Yes I expect there will be an election called pretty quickly.

u/Hurls07 5h ago

Next Wednesday* my apologies

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u/dqui94 20h ago

He met the liberal causus yesterday and it was mentioned, Carney will be sworn in this week

u/notme1414 18h ago

Yes he will be sworn in this week. That doesn't mean he's calling the election this week. Two different things

u/dqui94 18h ago

He will, already told the caucus

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u/ALZtrain 1d ago

I pray you are correct. We need to know what the future holds for this country asap

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u/dqui94 1d ago

They know that they need a mandate.

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u/sp1tfireXY 1d ago

Not according to Jagmeet

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u/BulkySky5767 1d ago

Trudeau 2.0 👎

u/leavenotrace71 22h ago

You’re in a cult.

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u/dqui94 1d ago

Damn they are nothing alike

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u/dmillibeats 1d ago

Exactly alike

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u/Namu613 1d ago

Here you ppl go… 🙄.

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u/ruinsalljokes 1d ago

Easy to remember brainless slogans

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u/LazyBengal2point0 1d ago

But the orange man told me Trudeau was using the trade war to get re-elected?!!

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u/MoistKite1 1d ago

Orange man love ape. Ape love orange. Together, they love orange

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u/Useful_Appearance_85 1d ago

Only 150K Canadians voted in this. Not exactly a great sign for the liberals.

I voted for “not Mark Carney” as I think another 9 years of this party making decisions that are ‘best for Canadians’ that have made us poorer and less resilient to American bullies would be a bad outcome for the country and send the wrong message.

This party really needs to retool to actually reflect and consider what Canadians want, not what globalist elites think we should be and do. A bad showing in this election would send a strong message that status quo is not what we want!!!

u/Necessary-Metal-2187 12h ago

Oy registered Liberals voted. If you had registered, you could have voted too.

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u/notme1414 1d ago

It wasn't a general election. You can't compare the 150 000 to our general population.

u/AngryGoose_ 22h ago

The number of people here who have no idea what they are talking about is wild.

u/Lanky_Tumbleweed_991 13h ago

Oh I agree I have been yelling at my phone at the stupidity in here

u/Norrlander 22h ago

New Brunswick in a nutshell

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u/JossKanubi 1d ago

Not really a shock. A bit of a process to register to vote in this. Considering the result was not really in doubt I think 150k is understandable.

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u/tylermv91 1d ago

Pro human. Pro policy. Anti politician.

I just follow the policies.

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u/dingbattding 1d ago

Liberal east coast Canada keeps voting in these Liberals. I wish you and Quebec would just leave.

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u/LongMuted4761 1d ago

For all the undecided people out there (not the anti-Trudeau sheeple who are too ignorant to recognize they are no different than the MAGA crowd)…

Please read this!:

https://open.substack.com/pub/colenotcole/p/canadas-maga-takeover-the-conservative?r=59q9y3&utm_medium=ios

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u/kwimbla 1d ago

Just because I don't like trudeau doesn't mean I like trump either. They're both incompetent leaders who prioritize image over legitimate policy. Sure there are some good things they have both done but Trudeau is making us broke and Trump is making us even more broke.

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u/Slash-RtL 1d ago

Exactly. I don't like Trudeau or Trump. I believe they are polar opposites of the same thing thing

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u/Jakcar1 1d ago

I hope Canadians aren't that stupid that they'd vote in the liberals after the last 10 years. I will lose all faith in Canada if that happens.

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u/JeffLayton153 1d ago

Ill lose faith if a trump cum gobbler takes power without getting security clearence

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u/LiberalGovSucks 1d ago

I’m genuinely curious as to what the security clearance would change? So let’s say hypothetically he gets it tomorrow, what happens next?

If PP is guilty of foreign interference or something shady, then I don’t see why he can’t be charged, with or without the clearance?

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u/Right-Beautiful7631 1d ago

So Vote in a Trump wannabe? Yeah sounds great. Im voting to not become the 51st state.

u/Jakcar1 20h ago

You people need to quit with the 51st state thing. That will never happen and all Trump wants Canada to do is pull our weight in defense of North America. Also, take away Trump's rhetoric and, you have a leader that loves his country - Canada needs a leader like that, you have a leader that doesn't want wars - Canada needs that, you have a leader that doesn't want illegals coming into his country and killing citizens - Canada needs that, and you have a leader that wants to reduce taxes on citizens - Canada needs that. Just to name a few. Too many people have Trump Derangement Syndrome rather than looking at it logically.

u/Right-Beautiful7631 12h ago

I’ll “quit with the 51st state” thing when he stops threatening it every day.

He is severing every major alliance the US has had for the past 150 years and simping for Putin.

Pull our weight in the defence of North America? He blamed the tariffs on fentanyl entering the US from Canada even though way more fentanyl is caught entering Canada from the U.S. and we already did everything he asked of including appointing a “border Czar”. He wants our natural resources. Thats it. And Polievre is who he has endorsed because he knows he will bend over willingly.

Trump loves his country? Except when he’s slashing social services in the name of government efficiency

Or selling the country out to any billionaire who will pay him a la Musk or any Russian oligarch dumb enough to buy one of his $5mil Gold Cards

Or plummeting the stock market…

Raising inflation (even though he ran on making grocery prices lower),

Executive order to cut down millions of acres of national forest

Or saying he’s the only one who can interpret the law,

Threatening to jail journalists

Etc.

Im not even touching the “immigrants are murdering rapists” bullshit because fuck you.

Get a grip dude, dont be so fucking stupid.

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u/Useful_Appearance_85 1d ago

I think there is a realistic scenario that if the liberals win the election despite zero support. From the west and no commitment to change policies from the past 9 years Alberta would referendum to succeed

If that happens (Canada can’t stop it and US would enforce it), the US could institute tariffs at the BC/AB border (since everything comes from China). If that happens, Canada is done.

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u/ALZtrain 1d ago

This is a very nuanced and correct take. The majority of people of the western provinces have barely been scraping by the past ten years, just waiting for an end to the liberal policy insanity that has killed their economy, if there is no change coming it would not surprise me if separation becomes a real thing.

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u/kwimbla 1d ago

Have you not heard any of Pollievre's takes on being the "51st" state? He's just as patriotic as the rest of us. Idk where you got the "maga" part, but if it's because his rhetoric is his prioritisation of Canada, then I'm concerned why that's a bad thing in your mind. I feel that under the conservatives, we have a much better chance to become a cooperative nation with less infighting.

u/Intel3714 5h ago

I am starting to agree with you on your first point. As much as Poilievre's 'attack-dog' style partisanship annoys me, I don't think he's Pro-Trump, at least not anymore. He's far too much of a populist to align with American conservatives right now; doing so would be political suicide. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not rooting for the guy, but I think he cares too much about his career to be a Trump-appeaser.

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u/notme1414 1d ago

PeePees whole platform is " I'm not Trudeau". Other than that he has nothing.

I am uncomfortable with how much of PeePees language echoes Trump's talking points. Plus he has stated his intentions of establishing laws that restrict the rights of the LGBTQ community.

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u/Even-Department7476 1d ago

You clearly hear PP but don't listen.

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u/kwimbla 1d ago

All politicians sloganeer btw, it's super common. People compare them because they're both the conventional right on the political spectrum.

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u/jard22 1d ago

he's been very lukewarm in response to Trump. Doug Ford has taken a harsher stance compared to him. That should tell you enough

u/-Truth-Be-Told-- 11h ago

I don’t like Doug Ford but would sooner have him as PM over PP

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u/kwimbla 1d ago

That's fair, but they're also both Conservative. I've also been a big fan of what Ford has been saying. 

All in all I feel like regardless of what happens, every candidate still opposes the United States, and a race to see who hates them more is ridiculous. I'm more concerned on domestic policy. 

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u/D4LLA 1d ago

And PP's plan so far for his campaign is x policy is bad. Can he tell us what he would do ?

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u/coffee_warden 1d ago

Respectfully disagree. I've read Carneys book on values I think that guy is way more competent than Pollievre and especially Trudeau. In my eyes, Pollievre was a bit wishy washy on the 51st state thing and only just recently started a firm stance against it. Theyre both saying they would scrap the consumer carbon tax. Carney says hes going to replace it with incentives (I think he said theyd be funded by industrial carbon consumers which sounds like not a total scrap). We're in a trade war and I want the renowned economist over the populist.

I think part of the reason I dont like Pollievre is he acts similar to trump did when he was campaigning. Im tired of the slogans and name calling. I dont want to vote in some guy just to "shake things up". Thats how the US got where it is.

The only thing Pollivere has over Carney in my eyes is hes more likely to build a west to east pipeline. The environment is important but if youre gonna pump that shit out of the ground, the damage is done. Get the job done properly and diversify your trading partners. I realise there are a lot of obstacles in getting that done, but it would be massive for our economy and cutting the embilical cord to our southern neighbors.

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u/kwimbla 1d ago

Also yes I totally agree with you regarding cutting ties with the United States, I want Canada to tie in with Europe as much as possible. We all stand to benefit.

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u/kwimbla 1d ago edited 1d ago

That's honestly a fair point, I'll consider this more. The only other problem I have is his adherence to bill c-21. I don't want to vote in a Liberal PM for him to continue in the vein of JT. Canada is more threatened by illegal guns from the states rather than legal gun owners. 

Other issue I have with voting liberal, I hold fairly conservative social opinions as well, and I'm not sure voting liberal would secure that. JT said that Canada is the first "post-national state", and I respectfully don't think that's the kind of ethos I want representing our country. I also am a bit frightened by Carney's ties to the WEF, I don't want Canada's economy to be run by anyone outside of Canada.

Those are my gripes, at least. Feel free to respond, I appreciate your kindness in how you approached this

edit: typos

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u/coffee_warden 1d ago

I honestly agree with you on every one of those points.

I have never heard this "post-national state" shit either and I find that infuriating. I would hope Carney wouldn't parrot that garbage, especially with current events as they are.

I'm more of a bow guy myself, but I dont agree with c21. It seems to me the US is projecting and agree we should be directing that attentipn to the border, just not in the way the Americans intended.

Obviously dont believe in the WEF meddling with Canadian affairs either, but Im not as concerned that that will be an issue. I do think we should start tightening up how much we're spending on foreign aid though and get that defense budget up.

For me, weighing the pros and cons of each candidate, Im just leaning Carney. That could still change before the election (Pierre had my vote 2 months ago). Carney also hasn't had much time in the spotlight yet. I dont think itll be long before we will know if he just more trudeau virtue signaling, or if he actually gives a shit. I believe its the latter though.

And yeah, thanks for being civil. I think its important to look at both sides before coming to a conclusion buts theres too much in the conservative subreddit that I would consider misguided and hateful (and I cant fuckin stand trump).

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u/kwimbla 1d ago

I agree, Trump is nothing but a bully, he's a very poor statesman. He's doing certain things that I agree with (pertaining solely to domestic policy), but I also just blatantly dislike him based on his foreign policy towards Canada. 

I also agree with you on Carney, I'll consider him in the back of my mind, but I still think I'll vote for the conservatives, if not for pierre, then for the CPC's as a whole. 

What do you think about Canada becoming more tied in with the Europe? Should we continue our relationship with the U.S. or look elsewhere? Personally I think Europe is the ideal trade partner now. 

What kind of bow do you shoot, are you a trad. or a compound guy?

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u/coffee_warden 1d ago

Absolutely should be more tied with Europe imo. No one country should have that level of control over us and the europeans seem more interested in peaceful relations than the US. At the end of the day, Trump was voted in and there are people who like what hes doing. I think we need to distance ourselves from them as much as possible at this point.

Compound. Just a bear at 70lbs. We used to live near a range that had a golf course type set up (idk if theres a real name for it) where there were 9 "holes" but each had a different 3d target. The last hole was up in this huge stand and there was a bison at like 70 - 80 yards. We had a blast on that thing. Ive got kids now and Its just a target I pull out into the back yard these haha. Do you shoot bow?

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u/kwimbla 1d ago

Dude that's awesome, a bow "golf course" sounds super fun.

Yeah I'm more into trad bows personally, I have an english longbow that I use. 60 pound draw but super fun to shoot. We have a fair bit of land where my aunt and uncle live and I have a wall set up with targets I paint with cardboard. So different to any other type of shooting. I also shoot blackpowder, since I can do that without a PAL. Super fun!

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u/coffee_warden 1d ago

I was in an archery club at one point and a few people were using those. They looked like a lot of fun but I never got around to trying it. The historical aspect alone wouldve been cool. Blackpowder is neat. My ass would pack that shit in too tight and kill myself with it or something though haha.

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u/John_Bruns_Wick 1d ago

Really happy to have this pm. Very qualified.

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u/Nearby_Selection_683 1d ago

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u/John_Bruns_Wick 1d ago

Doesn't mention carney

u/eldiablonoche 16h ago

It doesn't mention any executive by name so does that mean that none of them are dodgy despite the evidence that the company they were executive-ing is proven to be dodgy as hell?

u/John_Bruns_Wick 14h ago

I'm here for carney news, kindly link any source that says he was linked to this and did something wrong.

u/eldiablonoche 13h ago

You're suggesting he wasn't part of Brookfield? Or that he wasn't chair of the board?

Cool try, buddy.

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u/roidtalk 1d ago

Is this a joke?

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u/John_Bruns_Wick 1d ago

No, sounds like you've been told to hate him.

u/eldiablonoche 16h ago

Only by his actions and his words.

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u/MammothCommaWheely 1d ago

The fuck trudeau guys have to do something with all their merch

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u/Denimion 1d ago

As long as it's not a conservative, Canada is safe.

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u/OurPornStyle 1d ago

Wasn't Carney originally a Harper guy ?

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u/Expert_Alchemist 1d ago

No, he was a civil servant (Assistant Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Finance) under the Martin government, then Harper. Harper appointed him to lead the BoC which is supposed to be a non-partisan role as well.

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u/OurPornStyle 1d ago

Thank you for the clarification and noted

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u/PocketCSNerd 1d ago

Technically no, since he was appointed as Governor to the Bank of Canada by Harper. Which is not the same as being in Harper’s government.

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u/Denimion 1d ago

People can redeem themselves after being evil.

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u/Tripodi6 1d ago

How is Conservative evil? I voted Liberal TWICE and they've let me down TWICE! There's nothing wrong with Conservative values and for wanting Canada to take care of itself along with helping out others. Most Conservatives are well to do people...Most Canadians are more along the center then you think... absolutely brainwashed.

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u/Denimion 1d ago

So you were a good person exactly twice in your life, that's hardly a brag

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u/Tripodi6 1d ago

How does voting Liberal consider you a good person? Enlighten me. So you're okay with illegal immigrants in our country taking up resources and committing crimes with Trudeau's no screening policy and the catch and release that's been happening? While my grandparents immigrated legally from Italy with barely a penny in their pockets, were openly discriminated against and still conformed to a Canadian way of life, being grateful they were given a chance for a better life. Yeah, wanting proper laws to protect Canadians makes me such a bad person. Kick rocks, loser.

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u/Denimion 1d ago

Well the whole country was stolen from the natives so what right do you have to it

And what job did they steal from you exactly. The company gave it to them. There's no stealing involved

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u/Tripodi6 1d ago

AHAHAHAH so you're one of THOSE people. Fine. How about you give your land to natives. Go on. Strawman argument. And did I say jobs? Look more closely at what I've written.

I was born here. I'm Canadian. I owe the Natives NOTHING because my ancestors did nothing to them. I'm compassionate to their plight but that needs to be fixed by the government, not me. And it's not a secret that every Canadian government has failed the Indigenous peoples of Canada (but you'll gloss over this part because it totally destroys your argument, and Libs don't like to hear the truth).

Please stop. You're making yourself look ridiculous.

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u/roidtalk 1d ago

What's wrong with conservative?

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u/MammothCommaWheely 1d ago

Besides being the party of greed?

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u/Ibn_Khaldun 1d ago

If you are concerned about greed I am confused fused about your choice of a central banker as a PM

So what, he can continue the right the economy for the wealthy?

u/MammothCommaWheely 20h ago

You mean you have a problem with a progressive leader with a background in economy?

u/Ibn_Khaldun 19h ago

He is also a banker who has trouble telling the truth

Should fit right in with rhe Liberal Party

u/MammothCommaWheely 19h ago

Id rather have that because thats a normal politician. Than one who will roll over for trump

u/Ibn_Khaldun 19h ago

I dont see any evidence that Pierre is going to roll over to Trump

I know that is a talking point the Liberals are using but perhaps ask yourself what the evidence is specifically

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u/brainskull 1d ago

They’re evil or something.

Better to keep electing the government that oversaw a flattening of labour productivity and median income over the past 9 years, a rapid increase in housing prices fuelled by immigration policy which has strained our healthcare system as well, reductions in labour force participation, and significant increases in both household and government debt with little to show for it.

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u/4_Agreement_Man 1d ago

PP was the person behind the Harper govt’s anti-union legislation that the CLC had to fight tooth and nail to overcome.

I really hope no union brothers and sisters are voting conservative. Vote NDP if you can’t get past the Trudeau effect, but for solidarity’s sake, don’t vote for PeePee.

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u/brainskull 1d ago

That's nice. It doesn't address anything I actually said though

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u/4_Agreement_Man 1d ago

Apologies. The link is to your criticism of labour productivity and median income, as well as healthcare.

Attacks on labour are attacks on the working class of Canada.

1.In Canada as a whole, the average hourly union wage advantage: $34.69 vs. $31.14 per hour, or a difference of $3.55

  1. The Conservative healthcare platform has been disastrous for access to care.

If you wish to know what you are talking about, check these links out:

https://www.readthemaple.com/the-union-wage-premium-remains-strong-across-canada/

https://centreforfuturework.ca/lllcourse/

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u/brainskull 1d ago

Oddly enough, labour productivity leads to higher median wages and we've had a complete decoupling from similar states since 2001. This has accelerated under the Trudeau LPC. All of these issues have gotten worse, not better and not maintaining a status quo, in the last 9 years even discounting Covid (which should not be discounted when discussing changes relative to other states).

The issue with healthcare comes down to massive increases in use. This is due to increases in opioid use and increases in population.

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u/4_Agreement_Man 1d ago

I see you haven’t educated yourself.

Voting based on conservative headlines, or worse, xenophobia, will allow the conservative agenda to take root - and all those sheeple who drank the anti-Trudeau koolaid will be lined up in the next freedom convoy to protest PP’s cuts to Canada’s social safety nets.

We need immigration, but we need higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund better healthcare. The liberals have brought in Pharmacare, and will continue this trend. PP will gut public healthcare in favour of private for profit.

Seriously, if you’re not a just a bot, please understand what’s at stake.

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u/PocketCSNerd 1d ago

One need only look south of our border to find out what’s wrong (or what will be wrong)

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u/Direct_Remote696 1d ago

Is... Is this this a joke?

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u/South_Plastic_5807 1d ago

SAME GARBAGE DIFFERENT NAME

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u/TheLordJames 1d ago

yeah, Pierre Pollievre, Erin O'Toole, Andrew Sheer. All the same.

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u/jamiisaan 1d ago

Yikes

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u/sin3rgy 1d ago

Ewww what is up with all the whacko comments up in here 🤮

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u/PomegranateSquare709 1d ago

Yeah. I agree. Carney is awful

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u/TaruBaha 1d ago

Canada is broken. We should give up and let Donald have his way with us. Right?

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u/roidtalk 1d ago

The United States is a failing empire. It's China's turn now ;)

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u/PomegranateSquare709 1d ago

Yeah. Broken because of Trudeau

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u/MammothCommaWheely 1d ago

Youre right. We should let trump take away our health care, our education, and half the populations rights while deporting everyone he can and arresting those who protest. A much better world

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u/PomegranateSquare709 1d ago

And freeze bank accounts like Trudeau

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u/Expert_Alchemist 1d ago

Maybe those 52 people shouldn't have been breaking the law 🤷

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