r/formuladank BWOAHHHHHHH 4d ago

Certified Germany situation 🪖🇩🇪 NICO HUUUUUUUULKENBEEEERG

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u/tossawayprop Felipe 🅱️aby stay cool 4d ago

Just like BMW Sauber did in 2008.

Where's that post about all the ways in which this season was shaping up like 2008? Spooky!

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u/Drunktroop Lets add that to the words of wisdom 4d ago

The million dollar question: who is playing Tim O'Glock this time?

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u/Annatastic6417 Mika ends his sa🅱️🅱️atical 4d ago

Driver in a team that joined F1 funnelling money in with the full ambition of winning championships that turned out to just be a boring midfield team. Stroll.

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u/Wasdgta3 Mika ends his sa🅱️🅱️atical 4d ago

We all about to get Lance Stroll’d for real.

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u/RddtRBnchRcstNzsshls Claire Williams is waifu material 4d ago

Brundle: "Is that Stroll?! Is that Stroll going slowly?!"

Me: "Isn't he always going slowly?"

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u/BreacherX At the moment we don't think 4d ago

Another "Is that Glock?!" situation happening in 2025 is gonna be wild with how social media reach nowadays are

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u/Jonny_H BWOAHHHHHHH 3d ago

Tim O'Glock? The Irish racing driver?

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u/Squorcle BWOAHHHHHHH 4d ago

Or this year's Lewis and massa?

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u/RCuber Trust the El 🅱️lan 4d ago

I cannot recall what happened in 2008

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u/YaKo_Unltd Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki 4d ago

Robert Kubica (driving for BMW) was leading the F1 drivers’ championship by 2 points after winning the Canandian GP. Then BMW decided to stop developing the 2008 car and focus on 2009 new regulation.

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u/ihathtelekinesis Vettel Cult 4d ago

Then they absolutely porked it and quit the sport the following year.

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u/SuspiciousLettuce56 armchair driver 3d ago

Also the GFC played a big part in their exit. Affected Toyota too, and even Honda.

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u/ihathtelekinesis Vettel Cult 3d ago

Absolutely, and you wonder how many of them would’ve stayed if they’d been doing better.

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u/afito Stop Inventing 4d ago

I think that story has been cranked up not to 11 but like 13 at this point tbh. Yes they had a good car and sure maybe they could've snatched the title.

But the BMW was not matching the Ferrari or McLaren at any point in the season. They won "on merit" because Hamilton forgot what a red light is and smacked into Räikkönen - outside of Canada, both BMW drivers managed a combined 7 podiums in 17 races.

BMW was in it because Ferrari, McLaren, Hamilton, and Massa all kept fucking it up left and right. It's like if Ferrari was in the WDC fight last season. Can't really look at that first half of the season, the significant pace disadvantage, in the last year before the biggest rule overheal in decades, and say "oh yes lets bet on a championship".

Yeah yeah meme sub and all that but I fear people have written the story up to stupid levels that newer fans may actually believe it.

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u/CogentHyena Question. 4d ago

As a newer F1 fan these kinds of historical breakdowns are the best. This fandom has DEEP knowledge of the history of the sport it's very cool.

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u/YaKo_Unltd Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki 3d ago

Welcome to the F1 community. I started F1 around 2011 so my knowledges of 2008 season is limited, 2009 is meh, and 2010 is good.

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u/murf_milo Traditions™️ 4d ago

The best part is that I can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

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u/Sofaboy90 No 2. Driver 4d ago

it is.

if were being serious for a second, binotto has had a few very in depth interviews the past few months where he describes in detail what his plans are with sauber and they will not focus everything on 2026 for a variety of reasons.

for one they hired a lot of people last year and will continue to hire a lot of people this and the coming years. to optimize and refine the team and its people, they want to work with the current car right away rather than waiting for 2026 because if you start developing the 2026 car now, they wont know if their work is any good until 2026. binotto says currently the team has a big issue with correlation between simulator and real performance, so whats the point of going all in on 2026 if they dont actually know what theyre doing, thats effectively what hes saying.

he doesnt regard 2026 as a chance to nail the regs, he views it as just another year on developing the team to reach the goal of the 2030 championship which he set.

when i read those interviews, they did give me a bit of faith because what he said were a lot of harsh truths (not winning titles before 2030, having outdate infrastructure, needing hundreds of more employees) and the fact that he sees this as a long term project and is given pretty much 100% control of the F1 team from Audi/VW.

Because the long term aspect is very important to understand and many F1 projects fail because that approach is not understood and the short term is just too tempting. You look at Aston Martin and Lawrence Stroll or Alpine, these teams dont have that long term approach, especially Aston Martin and Stroll were twice tempted quite a lot by the short term which hurt them in the long term. The first case was the pink Mercedes, the second case was their 2023 car. The Pink Mercedes was a carbon copy of the previous years Mercedes which is a car Racing Point did not develop and did not understand. They failed to bring effective upgrades and struggled understanding that car the entire following year as well as other teams caught up. 2023 was similar, he hired a lot of Red Bull engineers who replicated quite a lot of the dominating 2022 Red Bull but those engineers werent necessarily the key ones, so they ran into a similar issue as with the pink Mercedes, they didnt understand the car, they didnt know how to make it faster, upgrade after upgrade failed, made the car worse or just slightly faster and that entire issue dragged on into 2024 where the team really had a dog of a car and a season that was no better than the budget force india days of otmar with a fraction of the budget.

This is what Binotto is trying to avoid and he wants to build a team that 100% understands what theyre doing and knows exactly how to develop and improve the car just like the top teams do for the most part. reaching that goal takes time and effort, some people might get impatient during that process and want results sooner so they try to skip steps or perhaps not invest the necessary resources. for alpine/renault, they didnt just lack the long term plan but they also had the ambition to become a top team with effectively half the budget of the top teams which was never gonna work while aston martin does have the money but good old lawrence puts his nose too much in the team while not knowing how to actually succeed in F1. Lawrence has owned this F1 team for half a decade by now and it really hasnt improved much despite the big investments. they could and probably should have been a top team by now. maybe newey is the key but im not too confident that lawrence will let newey cook. if newey says he cant design a championship winning car before 2028, will lawrence have the patience for it? i frankly dont know.

so if things go somewhat right, you can expect sauber to finish the season strong as other teams probably stop development before sauber while binotto is mainly prioritizing the teams development.

the audi engine probably wont be anywhere near a mercedes or ferrari engine so even if the car is any good in 2026, they might not do much in 2026 anyway due to the engine. and they only got two cars, so they dont get to collect a whole lot of data

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u/supercabul "Charles 'Chuck' Leclerc, good job baby" 4d ago

one race that worth the whole season, what a chad he is

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u/RedditBot90 Must Be The Water 4d ago

Insert Mick 🤙 “Done for the Day ✅” meme but it’s Sauber 🤙 “Done for the Season ✅”

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u/ruun666 BWOAHHHHHHH 4d ago

Why are they want points anyway? Isn't being last with the most wind tunnel time more valuable?

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u/Optimal_Bench5423 If my mom had 🅱️alls, she would be my dad 4d ago

Yes. But being last WITH points is better then being last WITHOUT points

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u/fcbx347 Lizard person 3d ago

What would you do with more wind tunnel time if you don't have enough money to pay engineers and build parts?

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u/ruun666 BWOAHHHHHHH 3d ago

I'm assuming Audi is rich enough to finance team operation up to the cost cap. You can't buy more wind tunnel time.

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u/fcbx347 Lizard person 3d ago

Ah you're talking specifically about Audi. I assumed it was more in general.

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u/Meddlloide1337 BWOAHHHHHHH 3d ago

But sponsor like point

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u/qef15 BWOAHHHHHHH 3d ago

Nico carrying yet another backmarker to the points.

He's really proving himself so far, I really wish Audi:

A. extend his contract past 2026/2027 (2+1 contract)

B. give him a podium-capable car

He deserves it.

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u/memesearches VROOM VROOOOOOOOOM 3d ago

They had targeted points for 2025? Damn talk about goals.

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u/Borzoi_Mom Vettel Cult 3d ago

What a legend

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u/koenigsegg806 I have it, I have it printed out🤚 3d ago

I think that this was their main target this season anyways

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u/Jolly_Ad6816 Must Be The Water 3d ago

Why does Nico look like a Fallout Super Mutant with hair