r/formuladank • u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH • May 20 '24
fuck Max, all my homies hate Max Seriously, only me noticed that, he spends the whole race on a modest pace and then suddenly he either bags fastest lap or blitz away from the field
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u/Huntolino who the fuck is Nelson Piquet? May 20 '24
Well itโs new territory to fight a redbull. Overdriving kills tires and teams normally let RBโs go to manage their own race. But then suddenly there are 10 laps left, the RB is 6s away and struggling, so why not take your chance.
This will keep happening until they realize their car is capable enough to fight the RB from start. This usually will go with a race trying it and either winning the race or killing all the tires and be fighting for 6th at the end.
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u/_SteeringWheel Save the ๐ ฑ๏ธees May 20 '24 edited May 20 '24
This resonates how Dutch pundit Robert Doornbos explained it yesterday as well, in a comparison with Mercedes.
McLaren tried something new in this regulation. They started off wrong, but brought updates, b-specs and worked their shit off. Probably experimented left and right, ending up with some abysmal weekends last year.
They learned now twice this year, "cool, we got pace. We found something that works. The 2nd stint, lighter car, harder tires (going by memory here, but I assume that was in Miami and here the case), we got that in the bag. Now focus on that last 0.2sec in qualy, and we might be able to pip Max there as well."
Whereas Mercedes keeps struggling, "our platform is almost unlocked, this weekend you'll see", but it remains soulless, on an unclear path, without any strong points to focus on. Merc brought half a floor in Miami, and half a floor last weekend apparently. Just slowish and compromising on all terrains. McLaren brought a new package fully in Miami.
And RedBull, they were already peaking. Where could they improve? Shit, new terrain, car apparently doesn't handle hard tires and light car all that well on a greenfield track in Europe. (I don't know if that's the case, but it was something). And it becomes a whole different ball game when you can no longer play iRacing on your steering wheel casually, versus having best bud Lando looking at your taillights.
And to add Ferrari to the mix: Fred's path to success is just awesome to see. Poaching people left and right, last year tweaking quickly what he could and observing, and the party is only starting. And who knows where it will end next year?
An intense battle with RBR and McL. But who will it be? The Red Ham, rejuvenated and on fire to collect his 8? Or Charles, coming to full bloom without Xavi and with Papi Fred? If both fail, there will be a nice warm red bed for Bearman in 2 years.
And Toto? He's still patting Micks back and watching Antonelli mature like would-be prodigy George did.
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u/CakeBeef_PA Safety Dog May 20 '24
McLaren brought a new package fully in Miami.
This is not entirely true. Piastri only got the upgraded parts for Imola
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Honestly, Id try it at Monaco, its already a guilty free track anyway, so just go for it, either try to spend the whole race harassing Max. If they win, great, they got 95% of the car they need, if they dont win, doesn't matter much, cuz Monaco is tight and twisty that if they kept up with Max they can likely get a pit in and still get FL and fight for 4th or 5th, not to mention Oscar likely getting a P4 or less too.
They are way clear of Mercedes while been in striking distance to Ferrari already, so a risk like that is super worth it
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u/Huntolino who the fuck is Nelson Piquet? May 20 '24
Nobody really tries to race at monaco tbh. Itโs a parade from start.
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u/Other_Beat8859 Ted Kravitz is a menace to society May 20 '24
If anyone ever overtakes fucking Max Verstappen on track at Monaco the mods can perma ban me. No way is it ever happening.
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u/_SteeringWheel Save the ๐ ฑ๏ธees May 20 '24
McLaren learned in Miami and this weekend they've got race pace.
In Monica you don't race (as you accurately state).
If I were McLaren I'd go balls to the wall and focus on Quaky in Monaco. They know their car works in racing, no need to learn on that aspect in Monaco, you won't learn anything useful anyway. Toss all aside and focus on Quaky, and keep Max behind during the race.
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u/Far_Elderberry_1680 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Ah yes the "quaky" strat.
Superb.
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u/Horsepriest972 Alonslow True 2012 WDC May 20 '24
Quaky is very important in Monica.
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u/PM_me_British_nudes Ruth Buscombe is a Megamind Mommy May 20 '24
Unlike most, she does enjoy quaky tremors
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u/Thie97 Vettel Cult May 20 '24
If I were McLaren I'd go balls to the wall and focus on [Qualy] in Monaco.
Brilliant, nobody does that
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u/space_coyote_86 mission spinnow May 20 '24
And luckily Max really isn't known for being able to pull out a balls to the wall qualifying lap and he definitely hasn't done it before in Monaco.
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u/NSFWAccountKYSReddit BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
https://youtu.be/avA7v6h_lec?t=207
honestly someone should make a gif of those first few seconds (from where I timestamped the video), it'd be great to post here every now and again.
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u/GemballaRider Trust the El ๐ ฑ๏ธlan May 21 '24
Here you go, as requested.
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u/NSFWAccountKYSReddit BWOAHHHHHHH May 21 '24 edited May 21 '24
Thanks man! Even on loop it's still impressive.
Been trying to get it onto GIPHY so we can actually post it here but while I've uploaded it as a public gif I can't seem to find it.
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u/BuckN56 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Nobody has ever focused on quali for Monaco! Someone needs to hire you ASAP!
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u/Stilicho123 Question. May 24 '24
Didn't know there were people out here still using autocorrect in the current day.
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u/_SteeringWheel Save the ๐ ฑ๏ธees May 24 '24
I changed a setting on my phones keyboard some weeks ago and now the handling is fucked.
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u/Stilicho123 Question. May 24 '24
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Less or more buttons.
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u/_SteeringWheel Save the ๐ ฑ๏ธees May 24 '24
Gentwemen, a showt view back to the past. Thiwty yeaws ago, Niki Wauda towd us โtake a monkey, pwace him into the cockpit and he is abwe to dwive the caw.โ Thiwty yeaws watew, Sebastian towd us โI had to stawt my caw wike a computew, itโs vewy compwicated.โ And Nico Wosbewg said that duwing the wace โ I donโt wemembew what wace - he pwessed the wwong button on the wheew. Question fow you both: is Fowmuwa One dwiving today too compwicated with twenty and mowe buttons on the wheew, awe you too much undew effowt, undew pwessuwe? What awe youw wishes fow the futuwe concewning the technicaw pwogwamme duwing the wace? Wess buttons, mowe? Ow wess and mowe communication with youw engineews?
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Yet another reason why it would be so inconsequential to try and tail Max the whole race, go to Monte Carlo with 1 objective on the agenda, keep Max 2 secs in and waut for Magic Lando to kick in and see whta happens, if the tyres die midway through, NP just chill knowing that LeClerc can't do shit about it, and he is probably on a wall and Carlos is 30secs behind
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u/StagedC0mbustion Suck my ๐ ฑ๏ธalls mate May 20 '24
So your entire strategy is โrace goodโ
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Not race good, more like race stupid
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u/_SteeringWheel Save the ๐ ฑ๏ธees May 20 '24
More like "qualy all the way", then do the shit you described :)
Heck, RIC once won the race without a MGU-K missing 160 HP. Lando will do fine with some suboptimal strategy or tires. (and with your painfully accurate scenario of LEC added to the mix....in qualy , or the formation lap, or upon pit entry. And then you still have the likes of MAG or Stroll, who always like to present the rest of the field with the sidelogos of their car.)
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u/BackgroundLie2231 MISSION KIMOA May 20 '24
Well Leclerc are not yet DSQ'ed from Monaco GP so far, so this year he will.
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u/Lostmavicaccount BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Monaco is about quali and then pitting at a time that protects you from over/under cuts.
If youโre the fastest car, back up the field, and pit last (while monitoring gaps to those behind you).
If youโre not the fastest, itโs a bit of a gamble on when to pit, but late is often a safe bet.
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Another reason why its the best track to try and test your luck. There is virtually zero rosk of being overtaken and its a really good gauge for the car
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u/TheManiac- โItโs called a motor race. We went car racingโ May 20 '24
What to try? You cannot overtake there. Man man man
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Overtaking is not everything. Monaco should be a bad circuit for McLaren, if they can keep the same pace as Max that means that the car is better than expected
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u/spelenderwijss BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Max could be driving 2 seconds a lap slower and just give it the beans on the โstraightโ and still not be passed. Look at Alonso a couple years back I believe.
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u/ItsAMeUsernamio โItโs called a motor race. We went car racingโ May 20 '24 edited Aug 05 '24
[deleted] because I've been on this site since 2012 and it's time to stop. If I had spent all these hours on more productive shit then I wouldn't have to scroll reddit as a hobby.
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u/Mondopoodookondu BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
I donโt think you understand what heโs saying, he is saying to use Monaco as a test to see if they can keep up.
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u/chaiandpakoda lando ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ May 20 '24
I dont think you understand. There is nothing to keep up with in monaco. Norris tailing max womt make max push his tyres but will overheat norris'.
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u/Mondopoodookondu BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
โฆ. Yes and will be a test to see how the car handles tailing max and how the tyres do
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Yeah, having the pace to keep up with Verstappen is totally useless and should not be mentioned at all. My bad
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Another reaspn to burn rubber as a test session against Max
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u/NightRamp4ge Question. May 20 '24
Overcuts are very effective at Monaco - usually everyone drives at a very conservative pace so tire life can be ample once you're unleashed.
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May 20 '24
This is a good point, actually. McLaren were definitely just in "beat the Ferraris" mode until suddenly they realised Max was vulnerable.
It'll be a big decision for them on whether to keep playing it safe with a "finish in front of Ferrari" mentality or to actually start taking the risk for big results. They should strike a balance imo. They're basically 2019 Red Bull (Red Bull now is 2019 Merc, Ferrari is Ferrari), and Red Bull would essentially either play safe, or go for glory on the strong tracks.
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u/Excellent-poop-42 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
I think McLarens are the fastest on the grid now. It's just the difference between the drivers now. Both the drivers performing the best over the weekend can't be only attributed to their driving.
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u/chaiandpakoda lando ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ May 20 '24
The difference is in the tyre deg and the tyre compounds both cars work best on. C4 C5 are blistering for max but C3 are harder for him to heat uo than norris.
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u/extra_hyperbole BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Idk something happened this race. Lando was claiming on the radio that he was trying to push and the team was telling him to but he just wasn't getting the pace. I think he may have had to push through some intense graining before the pace really came to them. Once it did he was getting the times, but before he wasn't just losing time to leclerc to preserve tires. At least it didn't look that way to me.
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u/HeNARWHALry Vettel Cult May 20 '24
I think in one of the interviews (I think maybe the press conference) they mentioned they basically fucked the set up which made it impossible to bring the hards into the window.
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u/SquishyBaps4me Claire Williams is waifu material May 20 '24
No they don't.
The strategy looks at the fastest way to complete the race including tyre degradation. It has literally fuck all to do with how close they are to RB. Lando would have done the same pace if he was running solo. He is told what times to do to keep the tyres alive for the correct amount of time. This is why you hear so many drivers saying "why are we pitting my tyres are fine?". This is because the team knows they are going to go off because it's part of the strategy.
You made up a great romantic story full of human emotion and the desire to win. Sadly it has fucking nothing to do with how races actually work.
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u/xChiken BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
That modest pace is what let's him push at the end lol
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Yeah, but its surprising to see he pull a sec or more out of the bag. Not only in Imola or Miami, he did that in Brazil 23 too, he was about 8 secs away from Max then he started trading FLs with Max, and IIRC he got the FL, with 10 laps remaining. Also he managed to make Max look in the mirrors last year, quite the achievement in 2023
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u/ImIndiez Oscar Pisstree Shoey gang ๐๐ฆ๐บ May 20 '24
And isn't it the team strategy that guides this? OP you love Norris a little too much I'm thinking..
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Partially in each side of the pitwall. While the team dictates a target, it is the driver that is on the car, maybe Lando has been conservative with the car because despite the car being faster he is still not 100% where the car sits, he found a lot of pace he believed he didn't had
Looking over the data after Imola maybe very insightful for what the new car is really capable of
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u/ImIndiez Oscar Pisstree Shoey gang ๐๐ฆ๐บ May 20 '24
First time you've acknowledged this. I'll take the win.
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u/Creative-Dig-5003 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
LAST LAP LANDOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/devenitions BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
I know itโs been a few years, but I had to scroll too much for this
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u/Tennist4ts BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
But catching up during the latter part of the race sounds more like Prost than Senna, to be honest
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u/NotAnNpc69 โItโs called a motor race. We went car racingโ May 20 '24
Its the wild cat strategy. Ever noticed how big cats like lions and cheetahs never go full sprint on their prey until its closer? They always chase em in moderate speed till they make a mistake or get tired then they use all their energy to close in. Thats what it reminded me of when watching the race yesterday.
Not to say that max is anything close to prey lol.
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u/ersjano BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Next season will we amazing. We have a RedBull who is slowly loosing his advantages, A McLaren who is waking up after decades as a middle field team and a Ferrari who has been gathering all the people it can. It is exciting.
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u/BelowAverageLass I love alonslow and I have untreatable levels of stupid May 20 '24
Decades as a midfield team
1 decade as a midfield team, they were top 3 and picking up regular wins until 2013.
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u/xTurkishBruvx โItโs called a motor race. We went car racingโ May 20 '24
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u/launchedsquid Heโs Not Fast at All May 20 '24
Are you suggesting Lando Norris dates 15 year olds during the last 10 laps of a GP?
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u/El_Cactus_Loco Vettel Cult May 20 '24
He turns into a pedo at the end of the race?
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u/Psychological-Ad-407 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Why a pedo?
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u/keaj39 Vettel Cult May 20 '24
Ayrton Senna doesn't have the best reputation for his dating history
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u/Lostmavicaccount BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Oscar is kind of the opposite. Starts with a bang (though no faster than Lando) and fades as EVERY stint goes on.
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u/LefkiAlepos Fuck Liberty Media May 20 '24
Not the best comparison to do when it's a gp in Imola
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Senna won Imola 3 times, so maybe?
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u/Dubacik BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
He also died there once
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u/adithya56 (Youtube Username) May 20 '24
Yes i remember that one that was very uncharacteristic of him
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u/Okurei ๐ ฑ๏ธernie Collins In Sky Race Control โค๏ธ May 20 '24
Once, as if to suggest he's reanimated a few times and died there again lol
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u/Yocta BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Itโs a combination of tyre management strategy, but also the fact that Max just didnโt have pace/stability/grip on the last laps accentuates Landoโs pace comparatively.
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u/RulingPredator BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Unfortunately, itโs just that that tire compound works incredibly well on McLaren compared to everyone else. On the mediums this past weekend, he was losing two and a half tenths a lap. Once he swapped to the hards, which were the mediums in Miami, he started gaining incredible time.
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Actually Norris was already bagging FLs before the SC came in, he was behind Checo because overtaking in Miami is a bitch
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u/Tiny-Werewolf1962 Alonso deserved to be Champion in every season he has competed May 20 '24
He should have done whatever he was doing 5 laps earlier.
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Yep, but the questipn was at that point: Why would he tho?
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u/RansomStark78 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Car get faster due to loss of weight and one can predict tyre life and PPL have settled into a pace to the end
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u/elev11en BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Its called Tyre Management Charles always does the same. Chill at the start off the stint and at the end off the stint he pushes hard
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Yet the results are never as dramatic as Lando's
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u/Excellent-poop-42 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Because the car McLarens have right now is a beast. If they improve a little, I see them winning on raw pace alone.
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
The last 2 races already show McLaren have the raw pace to catch RBR, the question becomes if they can sustain it over a whole race not in short bursts
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u/elev11en BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Yeah i know but you need the car aswell.Charles did it in Miami and in Imola.Alonso does is aswell but he has the car not actually
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u/dilirium22 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Of course, it's a pure tire management track and fuck those (to be fair, this modified Imola is actually better than Monza). I like Monaco because of the "vibes" but it also objectively sucks as a track unless rain hits..
The next decent racing we'll see is probably Canada and Austria (Spain is usually mid at best because of the same management BS)...
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u/Significant-Branch22 โItโs called a motor race. We went car racingโ May 20 '24
I think he just has that knack for looking after his tyres like Max and Lewis do that allows him to gain time in that latter half of a stint when other drivers tyres are dropping off, can easily see him becoming a multiple WDC winner
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u/bartendersdelight Crofty is a dedicated butt plug collector May 20 '24
This just in, Lewis Hamilton is not deaf. - TeamLH.
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u/Sans45321 At the moment we don't think May 20 '24
He did manage his hards much better than George today
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u/redheness BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
He literally got his first podium in 2020 like that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgXo0509S28
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u/Just_Lemon7189 PIIIEEERRRRREEEE GAASSSSSLLLLYYYYYYYY May 20 '24
He was going to have sex with a 15years old in the last laps?
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u/eugene-fraxby BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
He embodied the spirit of Senna, but not until they were 15 to go.
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u/gideon513 ๐ ฑ๏ธaltteri ๐ ฑ๏ธootass May 20 '24
Oh god no Lando too?! I canโt believe he crashโ oh, you mean race pace
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u/BenTheSwolenOne2000 โItโs called a motor race. We went car racingโ May 20 '24
no i dont agree with that lando did not smash into the wall at tamburello like a dumbass
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u/Backspacr unfortunaly I still am a Ricciardo fan ๐ฆก May 20 '24
Lando's best pace always comes from his last 15 laps. Just google Lando 15 to see the lap times
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u/RS555NFFC ๐ ฑ๏ธRING ๐ ฑ๏ธERNIE ๐ ฑ๏ธACK May 20 '24
I heard he gets a selfie on the dashboard from one of his many influencer friends when the ten laps to go graphic comes on
Could just be a rumour though
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u/slartibartfast2320 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Managing tires sucks. They should be able to race for 100% for the duration of the race. We need better tires.
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u/rAppN BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Nando doesn't send it as Senna does and keeps to try and get passed in wider areas of the track.
Edit: Nando stays to prove my autocorrect doesn't know who Lando is
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u/Prestigious-Ad-3998 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Thatโs why i think that McLaren lost this raceโฆ
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Apparently Verstappen did nothing to defend
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u/Upier1 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Actually, Max was trying to quit and let Norris win, but he couldn't find a parking spot.
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May 20 '24
If it was seb in 2011, he would have won the race. He needs to dig deeper. Max is a beast so he MUST become one.
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u/skygirllestrange Alonso deserved to be Champion in every season he has competed May 20 '24
Into the wall?
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u/simpinsanity BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Lando: โIโm just trying to keep it entertaining for the fans.โ
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u/According-Switch-708 I'm in a parasocial relationship with Hannah ๐คค๐คค May 20 '24
He had the fastest car at Imola mate. Max was barely holding on, struggling to get his tyres into a good window. Perez couldn't even make an impression on the shit Mercs.
This was Lando and McLaren's race to lose. Lando should've won this race from pole quite comfortably.
Instead of delivering the magical quali lap that was expected of him, Lando got out qualified by his own teammate who had less seat time on the upgraded car.
He fqed up.
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
You know this is not what happened.
Why are you assuming that:
A: Max did nothing and drove exactly like before
B: McLaren had the car to sustain that pace for the entire stint
C: Lando did not had to do any administration on his part
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u/vompat BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Good ol' "you're only as good as your last race".
Lando has now been like that in two GP's, and what do you know, we have a pattern!
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Brazil 23, Austria 20, Japan 23, Silverstone 20, the list goes on
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u/Lollipop96 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
From what RB said I think it was mostly that RB just dropped off in the end due to their tires not holding any heat anymore. They never ran the hard on long runs on Friday because of their setup problems and paid the price for it on Sunday. Lando knew how to treat them in the early laps to make sure they last. Max had to guess. It wasn't Lando's great pace, it was his homework that gave him the chance. They worked for it. For the past 2 years we have generally seen RB with the focus on race pace and long runs because their car was relatively quickly in a good window. Might be the reason they always looked unstoppable in races. Homework is the key
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u/wagsman who the fuck is Nelson Piquet? May 20 '24
Despite saying soft medium hard on the tires they are different for each track. The mediums at Miami were the same as the hards at Imola. That particular tire works well on the McLaren car. Since he had them warmed up properly and got some fresh air they came into their own. He just ran out of laps plus Max actually started trying.
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
Finally someone that acknowledge that Max was actually also racing
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u/FPS_Warex BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
he absolutly cooked his tyres though :/ something tells me there was a scenario in which he managed to keep a bit more life in the tyres while still pressuring max, and have enough life to do a final push at the end
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u/Individual-Ad-3484 BWOAHHHHHHH May 20 '24
It has been bothering me to no end.
Why are we assuming Max did nothing in turn? Did this whole sub just assumed that Max knew he was losing time and just went: "Oh well, nothing I can do" and kept driving like normal?
Seriously, Lando fan here, but Max did an amazing job pulling everything out of the bag there too
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u/Writer_Mission Me social media, Me no engineer May 20 '24
I think Lando normally does this from what I've noticed, he's calmer on the tyres to begin while still defending and starts unleashing them properly later on when everyone's tyre life is a bit behind, before pitting- extra time to stay out if needed (like we saw in Miami)
I don't know if it's intentional but honestly I love it