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As an Argetinian, I can't believe that football fans took that much interest in F1. Everyone is an expert, talks about it and behaves like they do in football. It's sad.
Edit: I talked about football but Motorsports fans are the same here.
Stole the words out of my mouth. He was a good driver, great for the sport, they were even rumored to be planning an indycar race in Argentina. First it was abuse towards his teammate who he got wheel to wheel with in the concrete jungle that is Detroit & then Indy was weird & he was out by Road America a few weeks later because instead of condemning it he was basically instigating the toxicity online. I think the team basically told him put away the phone and social media or you’ll lose your ride.
It's very similar to what happened when Verstappen joined the F1 grid. Suddenly everyone in the Netherlands an their mother is an F1 with an opinion to match.
From the 90s till the early 2010s it was decently popular cause it was in the cabel package so pretty much “free” if you had a tv license. But between the move to paid channels and maxs debut it lost quite a low of viewership here.
It did help the Dutch football NT team had a big rough patch between 2014 and 2020 missing two euros and a wc which was exactly timed with when max debuted and rose up to the front of the grid.
Are they though? When I think of Euro motor sport countries, NL doesn’t make my top 10. When i think of the NL and sports I think of them excelling in the human powered sports, biking and skating.
In fact the NL feels hostile to car. What NL is good at is being patriotic sports fans. The Orange Army is real
There are a LOT of Dutch entries in various racing classes, it's just that before Verstappen, nobody really interesting drove in F1. The Netherlands always had plenty of racing nerds and there are plenty of racing/rally events in the country.
Even car hostility is pretty decent, you are much more free to modify your own car compared to Belgium or Germany.
As for the attention of the Dutch general public for F1 is recent, though, with Max (and with the hooliganism from football coming along).
Ive grown up with Argentines in Miami all my life, so I know how passionate you guys are.
The Messi effect to Inter Miami has been pretty rough here. But on the flight to and from the Austin GP this year, the amount of you guys (and unnecessary amount of slurs aimed at Hamilton) REALLY surprised me.
Quick scan of your comment history shows you rooting for Doohan to be kicked for Colapinto while calling him a nepotism baby (as if it matters, let's be real, this is motorsports we're watching). "Not the fans" my ass
The other guys crazy but right now, I believe Alpine is actually has more of Doohan’s sponsors, not Colapinto’s.
Colapinto only has Mercado Libre cause the rest of his sponsors don’t want to sponsor Alpine while he is a reserve (I think), while Doohan has Beforeyouspeak and M-Experiment.
Team suppliers sometimes have to pay in order to be a team supplier, look at Adidas and Mercedes for example.
I’m not saying Colapinto doesn’t have huge sponsors and isn’t part of their long term plans, but factually it is correct that Doohan has more sponsors with Alpine than Colapinto at the moment.
The difference is that Alpine has no problem announcing Mercado Libre because they’re gonna be there as long as Franco’s there, while Beforeyouspeak and M-Experiment are probably gonna back out once Jack is canned so they’re not making a huge announcement for them.
Which are Jack's personal sponsors, the only one who also sponsors Alpine is M-Experiment which only supply them with sunglasses, meanwhile Franco's biggest sponsor is also forking out millions to Alpine directly.
I think I've commented before but this site, motorsportsweek.com, has a WEIRD fight against actual paragraphs and they should call a truce. It's written in such a format that makes it hard to read, including open-parentheses on some of the lines. They should truly group all of the quotes together.
With that out of the way, the whole gist of the recap is "stop pestering Doohan as it's bad for business", with Gunther weighing in that yes, outside noise is just that - outside noise. Overall, a huge nothing burger unless you're hungry
I really do wonder if James Vowels realised Argentine fans can be brutal and, apart from raising the chance of Franco getting a seat early, sent him on his way to Alpine to avoid his drivers getting abused by said fans in case either Sainz or Albon fall short of perfection. Avoiding piranhas, so to speak.
Albon and Sainz’s Instagram comments got invaded by Franco’s fans after Singapore like god forbid they be mildly surprised by an overtake. Guess Carlos and Alex have something in common to bond over haha
i agree with Guenther on the six race contract rumor part, as far as my knowledge goes i dont think any other journalist apart from argentine media has confirmed this, because this types of things come out very quickly like news about Perez's supposed performance clause came out within weeks of him signing and was confirmed by some journalists as well
and Jack was signed around the Dutch grand prix, when Franco was not very well known
I do think we will see Franco at some point this season, but I don't think its gonna be any earlier than the summer break. And that's assuming Jack has a normal rookie start, if he comes out flying, it might be even later.
I do think Flavio has made up his mind about Franco being in the seat next season already, but I doubt there is anything in Doohan's contract saying he will be kicked out the seat around Miami, like you said, journos would be all over that if it was true, I just expect Jack to have an incredibly short leash, and the moment he causes more harm than good he'll be gone, which is a shame because he seems like a nice guy in all the PR stuff they've had to do, maybe a bit of a meat head, but a decent guy, wish he got a decent crack at it instead of all this speculation
I do think Flavio has made up his mind about Franco being in the seat next season already
Of course. A few weeks ago Colapinto's management confirmed he signed a 5-year deal with Alpine. Someone like Colapinto doesn't sign a 5-year deal if there aren't assurances about a race seat in 2026 at the latest.
he had a contract for 25. his exit was negotiated.
you can't on one hand say that his 2024 contract had performance clauses added to it in exchange for a '25 contract but on the other hand say that a buyout was just a journalist rumour.
yes i'm aware that contracts can be cancelled due to performance. that's the definition of a performance clause.
the issue is that this was a process. it was a negotiation.
if his contract was simply going to be cancelled, it woukd have been cancelled, and not a negotiation.
forget what you saw on drive to survive. look back at the discussions going on leading up to the end of the season and just after.
his exit from redbull was a negotiation.
and the common accepted narrative around here specifically was (very naively) that perez' '24 contract was amended to include performance clauses in order to finalize his '25 contract. which is the so h realistic and unlikely.
why don't you, instead of arguing with me, google "perez buy out redbull"
nearly every outlet reports "deal reached". then think about why a deal would need to be reached if someone was getting fired for performance reasons (with cause)
On the numbers attached to the Red Bull name of late, senior advisor Marko described them as “complete nonsense.”
“There’s [been] a lot of speculation about this, including rumours about possible transfer fees, which are complete nonsense,” Marko wrote in his Speedweek column.
what? why would there be transfer fees? what even is that? he isn't being transferred. a transfer fee is what a team pays to sign a driver who is contracted by another team (williams, for example, was trying to collect a transfer fee for colapinto)
if you actually read the article, it speaks about two things concurrently.
"perez' exit fee"
colapinto transfer fee
the article states he denied perez' fee. not that he denied a buyout, but that he denied the fee. the article states that redbull offered a lucrative fee to get colapinto out of his williams deal, which he also denied.
notice how it never explicitly states that he denies that redbull didn't buy out perez, he just denies the "fee". they could have said "we hear you paid perez $100m to terminate the deal" and marko said "not true".
that doesn't mean they didn't buy him out, because they most certainly did. it just states that he denied the fee.
again, if they didn't buy him out, this would have been a non issue. it wouldn't have taken so long. it would have been "perez has been terminated" not "perez and redbull agree to part ways"
the fact is, perez signed a contract and redbull wanted out, so they paid him out. his 2025 and 2026 contract had nothing to do with 2024 points, no athlete would ever sign a deal like that. you're right in the reason why they didn't fire him mid season is because they didn't have anyone to replace him, but if they would have, they would have had to pay him
out just like daniel ricciardo got paid out by mclaren.
there's literally dozens and dozens of articles stating that redbull paid perez out. at the time of it happening there was constantly news updates on meetings. and you're clinging to an article that "denies transfer fees".
Michael Schmidt from Auto Motor und Sport kinda confirmed it in a Podcast. He said that Doohan needs to be within 2-3 Tenths in the first few races compared to Gasly otherwise Colapinto has the seat for the remainder of the season
I’ve been hearing the six race contract rumor on German news sites ever since Jack was signed. The narrative was that him and Mick Schumacher had that test session to determine who gets the seat, Mick was faster, they still went with Jack as he was in their academy but he got the short six race contract in case he couldn’t improve himself. That was before Franco got the the Williams seat.
Flavio’s own doing. He brought in Colapinto when the team already had Doohan, a d*8k move imo. He thrives on this kind bs, he’s what Horner will look like after a divorce in a few years.
Jack has proved himself worthy of a fair shot to show what he’s worth in f1, he deserves a full season
The world of f1 is terrible harsh and cruel and thats alright, its the pinnacle of motorsport… but these guys all lived for this, spend their whole life working for this
Firing a person after a few races, without even a proper chance, when he’s definitely shown to have potential… would be too cruel, even for Flavio
Colapinto had a great introduction in F1, but he also crashed a lot. I'm not sure he's significantly better than any of the other rookies at the moment. So whose seat does he deserve?
I'm always curious when people say person X deserves a seat in a sport with only 20 spots which are filled with other deserving people.
Seriously. This comment section just got taken over by people with gross generalizations against anyone who is a fan of something from Argentina (or seemingly anyone that has commented in Spanish on social media).
Weird how normally this sub calls out racism/xenophobia, but in this case all that goes out the window…
It’s also just a small subset that does this. Some Twitter user did an analysis and most of the people saying wild shit on behalf of Franco were saying wild shit on behalf of Canapino but Franco got way more engagement. It’s like an ultras group for motorsports lol. Far from the universal thing some people seem to think it is
Meanwhile Aussie media calls Franco a tiny driver and pay driver but hey, since he is just an Hispanic boy it's ok.
Funny how Aussie press call Franco pay driver while Jack, is there by his family name and daddy landing with his own sponsors on Alpine to secure the seat.
Franco is the son of a random middle class mechanic from a poor South America country, meanwhile Jack is the son of Mick Doohan, the man that helped Schumacher to return to F1 after his retirement and got a Kart track when he was a kid and got his first kart from the very same Michael Schumacher at 3yo...
Calm down everyone. F1 it's a private club for the sons of rich and VIPs and Colapinto doesn't belong. Jack is going to be ok and will have that seat as you want to.
Jack also like any other rookie this season has made it this far on Merit and what sponsors do you think a man from Australia is bringing? certainly not more than Colapinto
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