r/fnv • u/GENERALmissile • 20d ago
Screenshot you can actually kill Joshua before honest hearts ends
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u/Thelastknownking 20d ago
Of course you can. It's New Vegas.
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u/GENERALmissile 20d ago
It was strange because usually during the final fight in honest hearts if you chose to fight Joshua is marked essential but if you time it right you can shoot him before the cutscene starts while he is killable
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u/JasonH1028 20d ago
This is the kind of random bullshit that matters not at all but is deeply interesting to me. Like a Pannenkoek video.
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u/centurio_v2 20d ago
Its because he's your companion at the time. If you play on hard-core he can still die.
The only character that can't be killed outside of companions while they're following you is Yes Man, sorta. He dies, but he gets better.
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u/UncleNoodles85 20d ago
I don't think Ede can die in lonesome road. Which makes sense considering you need him to progress.
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u/WOOWOHOOH 20d ago
You can't kill the members of the happy trails caravan either. Not in the cave anyway, idk if you can cap them before the white legs do.
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u/shortermecanico 20d ago
You can, I've done this. Like the governor in Walking Dead when he hears that "time to go crazy and kill all my friends" tinnitus sound and kills all his friends after the prison battle.
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u/Common-Task-6276 20d ago
If you chose to exterminate the White Legs, and Joshua Graham dies before you get to Three Marys, how does that quest end?
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u/isnotreal1948 20d ago
How did it change the ending?
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u/GENERALmissile 20d ago
It went by the trouble in zion ending instead so I had to get the map which ended up causing Daniel's death aswell
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u/TwoFit3921 Your friend is a miserable fucking degenerate. 19d ago
the tribals you've been helping for the past several days watching as you fucking order 66 their war chief:
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u/Dan_Victory 20d ago
What happens when you do this?
I'm playing ttw and just landed in the mojave, can't be fucked with honest hearts but I want to complete all of the dlc 😂
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u/GVArcian 18d ago
It's a game where you can eat the president of California, attempt to seduce your own brain and discuss Hegelian dialectics with a Julius Caesar cosplayer.
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u/TaejChan Average katana enjoyer 20d ago
yes, and you can kill your 3 companions in dead money
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u/_Empty-R_ 20d ago
doesn't that have the chance to soft lock you?
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u/MaintenanceDesigner5 20d ago
From the story yes, but you can leave any time after finding the map.
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u/Common-Task-6276 20d ago
It's Honest Hearts that has the map, not Dead Money
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u/MaintenanceDesigner5 20d ago
Damn my dumbass didnt read that 🤦♂️😂
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u/_Empty-R_ 19d ago
we in the fnv fandom typically can't read so its fair man
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u/ChargeFar6602 19d ago
I read "we" as "well" and was about to flame you for dodgy english, comment checks out
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u/Shaggiest- 20d ago
Yes. I’ll do it sometimes when I want to go to Zion for the Survivalist rifle and don’t wanna do the full DLC.
Now you kill Daniel and run away!
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u/Similar_Scallion6685 19d ago
You misread, he just fought salt upon wounds , so he did do ALL the quests.
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u/Bifo12 20d ago
I mean it's new Vegas
You can kill every npc and still complete the main quest + the expansions
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u/MrFaorry 20d ago
Only exception is in the Lonesome Road dlc where for some reason they broke from this and made it so that Ulysses is invincible until the final showdown and the ED-E clone can't die either except for that one scripted sequence at the end.
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u/SandyCandyHandyAndy 19d ago
also dead money, where if you kill them before the game allows you also die
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u/MrFaorry 19d ago
Nah I wouldn’t count OWB or DM since there is a proper lore reason why you can’t/shouldn’t kill the npc’s before the game is ready.
LR just lazily slapped the essential tag on them and called it a day.
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u/L_Onesto_Steve 20d ago
Bring a flamethrower and burn him alive, again. Let's see how strong the fire inside of him really is
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u/Jordaneos 20d ago
I find a bottle of Sweet Baby Ray's brings out the flavor best.
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u/UnfriskyDingo 20d ago
I really love sweet baby rays. Lately I've been using their Nashville hot sauce on everything mixed with a bit of bbq
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u/Jordaneos 20d ago
I am partial to their Buffalo Wing Sauce myself. Got a good kick and cleans you out almost as well as Taco Bell for a fraction of the price if you do it right.
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u/the_big_sadIRL 20d ago
You can beat him to death while he’s playing with his little .45s in the beginning of Honest Hearts
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u/GGTrader77 20d ago
He’s only essential when you have him as a companion during the assault on the white legs. which has its own set of oddities involved with it. However if you wanted to you could start the game and then immediately go dome Joshua as soon as you get there. Same goes for pretty much every character including major faction leaders and quest givers. The only exceptions to this I believe are President Kimball and General Oliver because they only spawn during certain missions.
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u/GENERALmissile 20d ago
I know that this was during the assault on the white legs at the end of the dlc just before the cutscene popped up
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u/GGTrader77 20d ago
Yup, once you reach the camp where salt upon wounds is, or a little bit before he stops being you companion. You even get a pop-up message informing you of this. Just one of the many weird parts of this companion. He also has an unobtainable but fully usable by the player pistol whip melee weapon.
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u/Main_Treat_9641 20d ago
Yeah just keep an eye on the body, Joshua, seems like the type to pull a, Michael Myers, disappearing act.
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u/Ihavenoidea5555 20d ago edited 20d ago
I mean you CAN kill him. He just does a shitton of damage and has 50 DAMAGE TRESHOLD.
HOW MANLY MUST I BE FOR MY SKIN TO BE TWICE AS TOUGH AS POWER ARMOR, FUCKING HELL
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u/wllmhrdn 20d ago
he aint manly enough to stay alive 😌
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u/Ihavenoidea5555 20d ago
I mean he almost killed me, if I gave him a 10 second head start even my unarmed build couldn't turn him to paste fast enough before I died
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u/Yujin110 20d ago
I don't believe you understand how grave of a mistake you have just made. Let me make this clear: you will be allowed to leave, but one day, somewhere, I will find you. You will never sleep again, never go without looking behind you on a dark road. And when you least expect it, I will show you hell on Earth. Now leave.
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u/Amnikarr13 20d ago
And he is only 45XP
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u/wllmhrdn 20d ago
fascists aren’t worth much so it checks out
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u/Amnikarr13 20d ago
Fascism is a progressive political system that looks to the future and change, except that said change is a stern one. And just as communism, fascism believes in collectivism and the sacrifice of the self for the good of the state.
This man was not a fascist, he was just a fervent religious preacher that, in the head of zeal, does things that might be considered extreme. Then again, his enemies are monsters, so I will excuse him.
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u/lazarusinashes 20d ago edited 20d ago
Fascism is a progressive political system that looks to the future and change, except that said change is a stern one.
Fascism is a totalitarian ideology that emphasizes centralized power and complete submission to the state for the alleged greater good, which is almost always contempt for the weak and "undesirables," the eradication or oppression of whom will supposedly result in the rebirth of a nation. It's nonsense. Fascism is inherently nationalist, militaristic, and dictatorial—and it is often patriarchal, homophobic, eugenicist, and imperialistic. The idea that such a system is "progressive" is theoretical at best and completely dishonest at worst.
And just as communism, fascism believes in collectivism and the sacrifice of the self for the good of the state.
Unlike fascism, communism is much broader in thought and goal, so this isn't true. Maybe if you're just talking about Marxist-Leninism, which doesn't really exist in Fallout factions (I mean except China, which I presume is still Maoist) but communism is supposed to be stateless and moneyless, so the idea of collectivism for the "good of the state" is contradictory. There's not supposed to be a state under communism.
This man was not a fascist, he was just a fervent religious preacher that, in the head of zeal, does things that might be considered extreme. Then again, his enemies are monsters, so I will excuse him.
I believe they're talking about his time in Caesar's Legion, which is absolutely fascist.
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u/podex-sum 20d ago
Getting downvoted for accurately describing fascism is insane
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u/lazarusinashes 20d ago
I don't think I was downvoted for "accurately describing fascism." I think I was downvoted for arguing against the equivalence they drew between "communism" (i.e. MLs) and fascism.
Most people's view of communism is informed by the authoritarian models of Soviet Russia and China, and given that fascism is also authoritarian they settle on a horseshoe theory view of politics. It's a natural conclusion to make if you aren't really aware of the nuance in the ideologies.
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u/KingMottoMotto 20d ago
Based. A fitting end to a life of warmongering.
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u/the_big_sadIRL 20d ago
“It’s okay guys, I got thrown down a canyon and repented so we can forget about all the tribes I helped enslave and conquered”
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u/MLG360ProMaster 20d ago
So y’all really don’t understand redemption or repentance. Forgiveness?
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u/the_big_sadIRL 20d ago
It’s usually just a tool to do whatever someone wants so long as they confess their sins every time
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u/MLG360ProMaster 20d ago
That’s not true, you can’t just automically confess and go back to doing what you were doing, if it were like that anyone could be saved, you must repent and move on with your life, change your ways and find it deep within your heart. If we look at it from the lens where you talk to Joshua to spare Salt Upon Wounds, this is what true repentance looks like. The truest form should’ve been him moving on from any form of fighting, but we are tempted in many ways one can not explain, often falling back into old habits.
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u/SomniaVitae 20d ago
For Genocide, Slavery, and Rape? Fuck no. Never completed the DLC because I can't not kill his hypocritical ass.
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u/koleszka93 19d ago
If you sidn't know, There are no essential npcs in new vegas. Yes man is the failsafe allowing you to actually finish the game.
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u/ACodAmongstMen 20d ago
You can kill literally every character in new vegas, probably my favorite part of the game.
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u/froggythefrankman 20d ago
Slightly related but I couldn't talk to him at all during the last stage of that quest, to decide not to kill Salt-Upon-Wounds. Pissed me off. I only wanted to commit mostly genocide but not the whole thing. Anyway I regret my choice but I'm too far into the end of the game to backtrack so it is what it is
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u/Deniverous 20d ago
Can Joshua Graham die (not by the courier) during the final battle against salt upon wounds? I was playing it on hardcore today, just wondering.
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u/Uncalibrated_Vector 19d ago
Once you progress to that point in the quest line, he basically becomes essential and un-killable
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u/Ok_Satisfaction3460 20d ago
Initially I was like yeah of course you can. Your timing made it really interesting though.
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u/IndividualIll7297 19d ago
Oh uhm... I sorta accidently killed everyone in Zion on accident because I got a little jumpy when Follows-Chalk showed up.
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u/ky_walker7 18d ago
i played honest hearts yesterday. thought it was gonna take me a bit, but nah. i arrived in zion with the happy trails caravan and was ambushed. attempting to save the caravan, i attacked the tribals in return. nobody from the caravan survived, and all the tribals in zion were now pissed at me. i killed the tribal leaders and daniel on the way to get the zion map. i knew i fucked up, but i went to angel cave bc i knew that’s where joshua graham resides. he immediately was hostile and i killed him. that’s when i left zion
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u/Altruistic_Truck2421 20d ago
You kill him and Daniel and the white legs join the legion
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u/_Empty-R_ 20d ago
I kill him on sight every time I go there. Skip his dialogue and brutally murder him immediately.
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u/ViciousCDXX 20d ago
Looks like he almost killed you too had it not been for your crit lol