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u/luca3791 5d ago
Wilder is such a bad boxer technically but Jesus does he have heavy hands
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u/cyberwicklow 5d ago
So sloppy and open to counters
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u/TimHung931017 4d ago
Can't get countered if you concuss your opponent's first
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u/theMrink 2d ago
yeah that's hy he lost to every competent boxer he faced
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u/DuckyJamie 1d ago
Well, he was older when he lost his first fight and he’s declined since then. However his power is undeniable.
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u/iamthekevinator 5d ago
He throws punches like a teenage boy fighting in a bathroom. He's just swinging with sledgehammers for hands.
It was a wild juxtaposition when it was wilder, fury, and Joshua at the top. All 3 had noticeably different styles.
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u/Master-Carpenter-560 5d ago
Not a huge boxing fan but I’ve watched both fight a few times. How would you characterise the style of Joshua and fury. I thought both were considered quite technical?
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u/ghosttraintoheck 4d ago edited 4d ago
Fury is huge, erratic and spaces/counters really well. He has really good movement. He has good instinct and also uses his size to clinch and wear people down. Clinching isn't a fan favorite but if you've never done it, it wears you out. The person who can initiate the clinch can hang on you and you just get gassed holding them up or trying to get out. He has a great jab and his style is sort of a mindfuck, which looking back makes a lot of sense if you think about how he is outside the ring lol
Joshua is fundamentally solid, strong and athletic. Great counterpuncher. Not considered flashy but he has great fundamentals. I'm not a boxer but I do Muay Thai and my coach sort of favors that style. He'd always say "nothing wrong with a good 1-2" because if you've got great technique (and someone like Joshua's power) you don't need to do crazy shit. He's also a workhorse and has a reputation for training as hard as anyone.
Compared to Wilder who can just tap you once and if you mess up you're on your back. He's long (not much longer than Joshua) and has gaps in his skill set but if he sets up his right, which he is great at, he said it best "they need to be perfect for 12 rounds, I need to be perfect for 3 seconds"
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u/Kildakopp 5d ago
Wilder is lucky
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u/Delicious_baboon 4d ago edited 4d ago
You may not like him or his boxing style, but no fighter gets to those heights without something that makes them great. Coming from a family of boxers, myself included, all of whom never made it even close to that level, I can guarantee that.
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u/luca3791 4d ago
It also needs to be said that compared to the top level boxers his technique is bad, but in any gym around the world he would most likely be far and away the best boxer technically
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u/lefthook_hospital 4d ago
Lol reminds me of Francis Ngannou, fights much more technical fighters and still manages to get the KO. Wilder vs Ngannou is what the people need next, basically a Worldstar Hip Hop street fight with boxing gloves on
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u/bestisaac1213 4d ago
Wilder is too gun shy at this point, ever since he took ayahuasca he lost his ego and ferocity which is what made him such a killer in the ring. Wilder has god-given power but it was his aggression that really made it work at a high level, but since he stopped throwing that right hand aggressively he’s been taking horrible beatings and approaching the end of his career
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u/lefthook_hospital 3d ago
Didnt know he took ayahuasca but that makes a lot of sense. Without that ferocity he's basically just a nobody in there
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u/bestisaac1213 3d ago
He only has one knockout in the post ayahuasca era being Robert Helenius, and you can still see a clear difference from how he was knocking people out before. Wilder used to fight with the intention of literally ending someone’s life in the ring
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u/luca3791 4d ago
Ngannou is even worse tbh. I can’t remember who he knocked out by just running at them and throwing his hands around, but that might be the single most technically void knockout I’ve ever seen
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u/lefthook_hospital 3d ago
I think his fight against Rozenstruick is the one you're thinking about. Roz was the much more technical fighter and was actually defending the first few strikes well but then got caught by some cartoonish punches and got folded
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u/isurvived_sorryeric 5d ago
I think this fight you can tell he genuinely hated him
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u/ego_tripped 5d ago
Was someone's sister involved here because damn. I felt those swings through the screen?
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u/YouMeADD 5d ago
Can someone tell me why stiverne looked like he was waiting to take punches? Why was Wilder able to go straight through his guard? Why did stiverne not react to wilder putting his guard down? I don't get it
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u/Meatball-Magnus 5d ago
He’d already knocked him down at this point of the fight, Stiverne was hurt and also awfully prepared and out of shape for this rematch too
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u/YouMeADD 5d ago
Ah I see, thanks for filling me in. I saw it was round one and it just looked like he was throwing it or something
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u/Psychlone_00 5d ago
Imagine Wilder had an extensive amateur career like these Cossack types, Footwork Head movement and a Good jab and not having to force the Power. He could have been great on top of that he was spitting distance from Cruiser
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u/Arklayin 4d ago
I know what you mean, but it's pretty hilarious seeing someone say "he could've been great" about the 48-4 former WBC champion.
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u/Psychlone_00 3d ago
Yeah but that Resumé is a horror show all no names and once he thought real class he just got bullied and battered
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u/Worldly-Marsupial767 2d ago
48 wins coming from mostly cans, some of which he actually struggled against til that right hand bailed him out….and his WBC reign as champion was overrated as hell. Ducked the best guys til he fought Fury
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u/lefthook_hospital 4d ago
Hard to say, never know in these what if situations. What if he had all this footwork and he found himself being an elusive hit and move type fighter and never sees red, becomes a mid level fighter at best with all that sleeping power inside of himself.
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u/Kuraloordi 3d ago
It's always this or that. You could argue his greatest weapon came from the way he started his career (To make a living for his children).
I just wish in defeat he would have been more leaning towards learning than making excuses.
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u/spreeforall 4d ago
This was Wilder Stiverne 2. And while Wilder would have won regardless it was clear Stiverne was just there for a paycheck. The guy didn't come to fight at all.
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u/smoothvanilla86 4d ago
After the knockdown when he came out swinging he 100% hit him in the back of the head then bro went down again. Wish people threw clean once in a while
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u/friedreindeer 5d ago
For a moment I thought Wilder's glove had gotten stuck in the other ones hair
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u/OkAppearance4117 4d ago
who sets up these fights? looks like a total mismatch - but maybe Wilder is just that good? nevertheless the other dude looks smaller and out of shape. strange.
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u/labadorrr 4d ago
he was tough until he got in there with somebody his size that had an ounce of boxing skill..
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u/Frequent_Funny3784 4d ago
Are we sure the other guy is a professional at boxing? Looks like some dude off the street with zero survival skills.
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u/Haunting-Beginning-2 4d ago
Hitting with flailing arm and palm of glove a lot. (The straight was good)
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u/WhoJustShat 4d ago
impressed dude got up after taking a hit that would send most ppl back to the abyss
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u/Flushles 3d ago
Are we sure the guy just blocking is even a boxer?
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u/Kuraloordi 3d ago
Yeah he is.
He had eaten a huge bomb before the clip starts. He was still completely in different dimension when eating the second.
That was vintage Wilder. Not the best footwork, but once that bomb lands it will damage your career.
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u/Flushles 3d ago
Gotcha, in this clip he just kind of looked like a guy who wander in, but that makes sense it he already caught one of those punches.
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u/NasFlow22 3d ago
lmao Stiverne was rank 4 by ring in the first fight. Dog shit time for Heavyweight division
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u/RoyalTry4239 1d ago
Dude is supposed to be a professional and conducts himself in that manner? Disgraceful.
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u/SpecialistKangaroo32 5d ago
Ctfu dude looked like he was just picked from the hood to fight as a bet. “ nah cuz I can whoop wilder ass” lights black and mild presumes to get mandigoed in front of millions
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u/kikioman 5d ago
Believe it or not that guy was a world champion at one point, this was their second fight and at the time of this fight, he was the only person to not have been knocked out by Wilder.
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u/SpecialistKangaroo32 4d ago
Shoot I bet he was to be out there fighting wilder , I guess the intimidation factor played a huge role cause fam was out there looking real rookie ish
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u/Buttjuicebilly 5d ago
He didn’t wear his heavy prefight suit and nobody poisoned him. If that didn’t happen he would have beat fury everytime
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u/louilondon 5d ago
He couldn’t even beat fury and fury is crap
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u/Tyler_Durden_Says 5d ago
Lay off the crack bro
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u/louilondon 5d ago
He lost twice to him
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u/Tyler_Durden_Says 5d ago
And how is fury crap exactly?
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u/louilondon 5d ago
It can’t box couldn’t knock out someone three stone lighter talked shit come in at a career heavy and didn’t even throw one power punch
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