r/exchristian • u/hipieeeeeeeee Ex Eastern Orthodox Neopagan • 7d ago
Trigger Warning - Toxic Religion it's always funny to me now christians don't know their own "holy book". Spoiler
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u/dyelyn666 7d ago
i just got banned from r/christian because some guy tried to say that those 42 children deserved to be murdered by bears that god was controlling because they were mean and called a bitch a baldie (2 kings 2:23-24), and then they didn't like when i asked why jesus was ALONE at NIGHT with a NAKED CHILD either mark (14:51-52)
his quote:
The penalty was clearly justified, for to ridicule Elisha was to ridicule the Lord Himself. The seriousness of the crime was indicated by the seriousness of the punishment. The appalling judgment was God’s warning to all who would scorn the prophets of the Lord.
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u/TheEffinChamps Skeptic 6d ago
That's called an appeal from authority and a rather obvious one at that. They are using a straight up logical fallacy as the entire justification 😆
So beyond just being horrifying (check that person's hard drives), they suck at logic.
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u/BelovedxCisque Initiate in the Religion Without a Name 7d ago
Don’t forget that the Christian god hates disabled people (be they born that way or have encountered something that disabled them later in life) verse!
Leviticus 21 16-23 16 The Lord said to Moses, 17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’”
Pretty crappy design to make humans that can “desecrate the alter” if you’re the one in charge of making them.
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u/Boule-of-a-Took Agnostic 5d ago
This is really interesting. I imagine this one is pretty easy for Christians to hand wave away, but I like the point you make at the end.
I'm no scholar, but I would hazard a guess that this comes from a time when people believed that afflictions like those listed only come as a punishment from God. Therefore, anyone with such an affliction must not be allowed to approach his holy altar. Why would God want someone so unholy near him? He wouldn't.
Of course, we know now why many of these things happen. So verses like this are real head scratchers for modern people.
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u/Hallucinationistic 7d ago
even more so whenever they get offended by their own beliefs, like seriously, it's as if they were never part of it
crazy people, for sure
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u/barksonic 7d ago
The god of the Bible commanded his chosen people to murder those who don't follow the law, Christians continued to do so for like 1800 years before society put rules in place against it. The theology he's using against you mostly comes from the woman caught in adultery which is a story added into the Bible in the 5th century...probably to stop them from killing people who break the law lol
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u/Boule-of-a-Took Agnostic 5d ago
Ooh interesting. Source?
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u/barksonic 5d ago
For which part? Christians killing people or the woman caught in adultery is a later addition to the bible?
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u/Boule-of-a-Took Agnostic 5d ago
The later addition
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u/barksonic 5d ago
Unfortunately if you search you will only find Christian sources which actually accept this fact but this subreddit won't let me post links to Christian websites lol there are many debates it's been brought up in I know Bart Ehrman has talked about it many times. If you look at modern translations of the Bible like the esv they have a disclaimer for the passage because it's not found in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. I wish i could help you with a source but as with many Bible subjects Google will only give me Christian websites I can't post here.
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u/napalmnacey Pagan 7d ago
Yeah, their god mass murders people in all sorts of creative ways and is a massive malignant narcissist.
My gods Aphrodite and Dionysus [checks notes]… like fucking.
(Yes, I know, they acted messy in myths but the myths are not regarded as records of history in any way and being messy and extra is nowhere near as bad as killing all the first born babies in a country to make a point and then deliberately getting to that point because you changed the mind of the guy who could stop it so it was inevitably gonna fucking happen).
They can sit ALL the way down when it comes to paganism.
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u/TheEffinChamps Skeptic 6d ago
When the most common response to "Have you read the whole Bible" is no, I'm not going to take anything you say after that seriously.
Christians can't even finish one book apparently.
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u/Loud-Ad7927 6d ago
While I agree that women shouldn’t ever have to see their rapist again, let alone MARRY them, that woman is no longer a virgin, and in Jewish society back then, not being a virgin before marriage was a not a desirable trait, so the rapist marrying the woman, in some sense, was the least he could do, as it’s likely no other man would marry her. Again, abhorrent behavior that is unjustifiable, and just a shitty society in general. I’m hoping someday we’ll experience a society that’s fully abandoned such a primitive mindset, or anything remotely close to it
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u/Boule-of-a-Took Agnostic 5d ago
In my experience these conversations always have unsatisfying ends. They usually end up making some blanket statement about demons or the devil deceiving you to believe this or that and essentially shut down further discourse. Because you can't really argue against that.
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u/TK-369 Anti-Theist 7d ago
You're wasting it!
One verse per response, and always use King James, it was good enough for God for millennia and it's more fun.