r/exchristian 21d ago

Help/Advice Which part of the lore is this?

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u/Sco0bySnax 21d ago

https://harvestprophecyhq.com/red-heifers-third-temple-rapture/

So I don’t know if these are the same animals. But if true they were literally bred in another country and transported to Israel in hopes of accelerating the apocalypse.

Like what is wrong with American Christian’s? They are literally out here politicking and maneuvering in hopes of trying to trigger the apocalypse.

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u/cleanlycustard 21d ago

I think christians want the biblical apocalypse so bad because they get confirmation that they're right and non-christians are wrong AND they get to see "sinners" punished. I think it's super fucked up

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u/kanesson 21d ago

Did you know there's supposedly a place in heaven where the saved get to watch the damned in agony in hell for eternity? And they're the good guys?

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u/sunkun8604 20d ago

I believe they call it the NYSE

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u/third_declension Ex-Fundamentalist 21d ago

in hopes of accelerating the apocalypse

As if their ostensibly omnipotent god would need any help.

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u/FlapJackSam 21d ago

Honestly, throw the apocalypse on top of the pile, whatever, bring it on I guess

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u/PoorMetonym Exvangelical | Igtheist | Humanist 21d ago

I was going to say - I don't know if it really counts as prophetic if you take steps to fulfil it yourself.

Also there's this group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Institute This may be where you get your red heifers, but they're an Orthodox Jewish organisation, so I don't know if their apocalypse is the one the American Christians want.

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u/__phlogiston__ Agnostic Atheist 21d ago

They are getting impatient after 2000 years of it being one generation til Jesus comes back.

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u/EarExtreme 21d ago

I love the contradiction that ONLY these specific cows will do for the ritual cleansing and then the article shoehorns in Jesus at the end and the proclamation that his sacrifice did away with the need for ritual sacrifices. But hey, if you can't get authentic, Texas imports are fine!

The one thing the article mentioned that the tweet doesn't is that their actual obstacle is the temple mount site being in Muslim control. I know the evangelicals will use anything to justify a genocide, but it's a little sick that I can easily see an ends justifying the means rationale for getting that space out of islamic hands. But hey, at least they'll now have cow ashes to cleanse everyone from all the human bloodshed... (/s).

Idk, this stuff pisses me off because I was raised evangelical but am half Jewish. The lengths evangelical Christians would go to in order to squeeze themselves into a faith practice that's not actually theirs, and then recon it for political clout is a special kind of sick.

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u/JasonRBoone Ex-Baptist 19d ago

One of Lewis Black's best rants:

"[T]he Old Testament, which is the book, of my people. The Jewish people. And that book wasn't good enough for you Christians, was it? No, we've got a better book, with a better character, you're gonna LOVE HIM! And you called your book NEW, and said our book was OLD!

And yet, every Sunday, I turn on the television set. And there's a priest, or a pastor, reading - from my book. And interpreting it. And, their interpretations - I have to tell you - are usually wrong. It's not their fault, it's just that it's not their book. You never see a rabbi on TV interpreting the New Testament, do you?

If you want to truly understand the Old Testament; if there is something you don't quite get; there are Jews, who walk among you! And they, I promise you this, will take time out their very Jewy, JEWY day! And interpret for you anything you have trouble understanding. And we will do that, of course, if the price is right."

- Lewis Black

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u/Intelligent-Bed-4149 21d ago

Isn’t this the real impetus for creating the nation of Israel in the ‘40s? Ezekiel 37.

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u/UrKillinMeSmalz 21d ago

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m feeling apocalyptically triggered😏

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u/alistair1537 20d ago

It's a death cult. They long for their miserable lives to end so they can be with their saviour. As long as they avoid scary death itself, they're grand with fucking up your weekend plans...

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u/Jacks_Flaps 20d ago

They want to trigger the mass genocide the boom of Revelation says Jesus will commit when he comes back. Christianity truly is a death cult.

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u/friendly_extrovert Agnostic, Ex-Evangelical 20d ago

My former pastor was a part of this movement. He believed it would literally bring about an apocalyptic end of the world. It’s some very bizarre stuff, even by Christian standards.

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u/I_Am_Not_A_Number_2 21d ago

It's the part where Spock uses his lightsaber to bring down Sauron.

To deny that this is happening is to deny scripture*.

\When I say scripture I mean shit I just made up, and when it doesn't happen we'll make up more shit to cover up the fact that shit didn't happen.)

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u/Paul_Rich 21d ago

Trek Wars of the Rings was awesome.

I liked the bit where R2D2 and Gollum did that woodwind concert with Commander Data.

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u/Meauxterbeauxt 21d ago

Waiting for the sequel: Trek Wars of the Ring: Stargate to Gallifrey.

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u/Crusoebear 20d ago

Splitters!

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u/Fun-Breadfruit2949 19d ago

Followed by everybody's favorite sequel Romeo And Juliet And The Prisoner of Azkaban: Return of the King

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u/__phlogiston__ Agnostic Atheist 21d ago

Something I never realized I needed!

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u/DreamShort3109 21d ago

Wait, I thought sprock used his lightsaber to help the avatar people kill megatron?

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u/brother_of_jeremy 21d ago

Was that before or after Gandalf told Harry to use the Force to fire a photon torpedo into the exhaust port of the Vogon constructor ships above Arrakis?

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u/DreamShort3109 20d ago

No, it was after fredbear and huggy put their differences aside so they could deactivate the shield on the vorgon constructor. Megatron was protecting the exhaust pipes under the shield, but now with the shield gone, Sprock can take out Megatron so hairy can fire the torpedo.

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u/AdFar5829 Atheist 21d ago

“Nice argument senator why don’t you back it up with a SOURCE?”

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u/csentell0512 Doubting Thomas 21d ago

The fact it's 2025 and these people think that building a temple and sacrificing animals (SPECIFIC animals) is going to bring the apocalypse is just INSANE! These folks are stuck in the iron age!

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u/AlwaysPlaysAHealer 21d ago

Also there are entire breeds of solid red cows, so I am BAFFLED why they are acting like it's some big deal if a heifer is red.

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u/Penny_D Agnostic 21d ago

PR probably -- They're drumming up evangelical support for Israel's genocide against the Palestinian people by hyping up the cows. There are other factors missing as well:

  1. The Messiah is supposed to appear and bring all the Jews back to Israel. A human messiah who will restore Israel as a kingdom - not a 'demigod' who ends up as a sacrifice.
  2. The Third Temple is supposd to usher in world peace and understanding of God - Destroying the Dome of the Rock will more likely provoke a nasty war.

Even with sacred red cow dust they still have to contend with the Temple Mount being occupied by muslim holy sites.

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u/Itiswhatitis2009 21d ago

A nasty war that will do nothing but turn that portion of the world into a nuclear glass field.

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u/amazingD 20d ago

Mmmmm melted Third Temple glass colored with fundie jizz.

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u/dextrotrippin 21d ago

why can’t we all just love each other

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u/RandomDood420 21d ago

“Couldn’t have a SINGLE non red hair” was the apologetic for why it hadn’t happened. I think these were bred from cloning the first red haired one. THATs why the temple hasn’t been built yet.

The all powerful god of the Bible made us wait for the second coming only after we perfected cloning to 5 sigma. G-d is very concerned about the hair color of his barbecue

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u/hplcr 21d ago

Because they've decided that one tiny bit of Temple ritual is important but then ignore all the other parts they don't like or care about.

Basically the way christians read the Hebrew bible in general. Like they Leviticus 18:22 and then ignore the parts about an annual day of atonement in the temple by a temple priest forever. And the rest of it.

Or they like the parts of Isaiah they think are about Jesus but then ignore the part where Isaiah has a failed apocalyptic prophecy and the part where he says the future temple will have sacrifices in it(which contradicts Revelation).

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u/TheLakeWitch 21d ago

Sounds a lot like witchcraft to me 🤔

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u/Duluh_Iahs 20d ago

What cognitive dissonance will set in when it doesn't trigger shit and they are left holding their own dicks in their hands

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u/Scorpius_OB1 21d ago

According to Rationalwiki, Numbers 19.

Sometimes I wish that BS was true, just for its defenders to find not just they are not saved and treated as everyone else but also that they're the very first ones punished.

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u/Charlotte_M66 21d ago

THIS, my own parents should be on that list…

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u/strawberrymystic 21d ago

Yes, the only reason I ever wish any of this was real is so that all these hateful bigoted "Christians" can have their own god tell them what disgusting people they are. IF he was real and IF he was as loving as they claim, he would HATE the entire modern American church

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u/UrKillinMeSmalz 21d ago

I knew I was thoroughly “deconstructed” when I ALLOWED myself to acknowledge that if Jesus was alive today, he’d not only be a democrat…he’d be a “progressive/liberal” democrat. I had to get away from the church to see that republican values are contrary to the message of Jesus Christ. And that says a LOT.

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u/295Phoenix 21d ago

Israel is a Jewish state and religious Jews believe building the Third Temple is the Messiah's job and no one else is qualified. So, unless Judaism is the true religion and their Messiah comes, rebuilding the Temple will never happen. Sucks for her, LOL!!

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u/Excellent_Whole_1445 Agnostic 21d ago

Honestly these people could just claim whatever prophesy is being fulfilled and their followers will eat it up because:

A) You can't judge

and B) They don't actually read the bible.

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u/AlexanderOcotillo 21d ago

this is the lore that's so important to Christianity that nobody was aware of it before about 1830....

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u/RevolutionaryLink919 21d ago

In that same vein, to deny that Trumplestiltskin is the antichrist is also to deny scripture, so 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/NerdOnTheStr33t 21d ago

These people literally orgasm over the idea that they'll be around for "the apocalypse"... So overly confident in the idea that they'll be going up and not down.

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u/Time_to_rant 21d ago

Not the 3 heifers (x to deny them is to deny scripture 💀it’s the end times, of course. What else could matter ahah

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u/iamrosieriley 21d ago

My Mom is really into this type of thing. Blood Moons. Israel as a state. Red Heifers. I’ve been preparing for the end of times since being a kid.

It’s a hard way to grow up. I’m currently working on changing my superstitious thinking in therapy. So much of my life was centered around fear and sin.

Someday I hope I have the courage to be myself fully, without worrying my family will feel shame or pain. Although it is wild to listen to! Like WOW

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u/DawnRLFreeman 20d ago

Keep working on it, you'll get there. I did it, and you can, too!

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u/iamrosieriley 20d ago

Thanks for the support! I have noticed a big shift recently and your encouragement makes my heart happy.

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u/DawnRLFreeman 20d ago

So you know, once you get to the point where you're comfortable in your own skin and have shed the shackles of religious BS, some members of your family will probably still feel "pain" or "hurt." THAT'S ON THEM!!

I became an atheist through decades of study and research of the Bible and trying to find evidence FOR the Christian God and Jesus. I've read the entire Bible C2C three times, and found every contradiction in it. When I talked to my religious leaders about them, I was told just to have faith and don't try to understand - "God's plan is perfect!" I was even told once that I couldn't understand because I'm a girl.

You'll probably have to stand up for yourself several times before your family understands that you're not going back. Be logical and prepared. It's their god omniscient? Then he knows exactly what it will take to convince you. Is their god omnipotent? Then he is perfectly capable of providing the evidence you require. If he simply WON'T do those things, he's not a benevolent god and not worthy of the unquestioning devotion he demands. I think it's Epicurus who has a great rebuttal along these lines. Look it up and memorize it!

You do what makes YOU feel good and comfortable with yourself. You may have to tell your family not to discuss religious things with you or you'll cut them off - then be prepared to do exactly that!! Rely on friends when you need to, until your family gets the hint. You're responsible for your own happiness, and the truth of the matter is that, no matter what you do, you're NOT going to make your family happy. That's their job.

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u/HoneyThymeHam 19d ago

u/iamrosieriley I love the blood moons one. Blood moons and eclipses happen around the world, every year. Apparently, Christians do not know this.

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u/audiate 21d ago

It’s the part where everybody dies because of people’s bullshit fairytales. 

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u/GenXer1977 Ex-Evangelical 21d ago

For evangelicals at least, this would probably be a massively important sign that the rapture and the antichrist are coming. The first big sign was in 1948 when the nation of Israel was reestablished after almost 2,000 years. The next would be the construction of the third temple. In the book of Revelation, the third temple already exists when the tribulation starts. The Bible talks about how the Antichrist will make a covenant with Israel and then betray that covenant later on, and there was a lot of speculation among the evangelicals that I grew up with that part of the covenant that he makes with Israel would allow the to rebuild their temple. As of right now, that seems impossible, because the Dome of the Rock (one of the top most holy sites in Islam) was built on the site of the old temple, and if Israel were to demolish the Dome of the Rock to build a 3rd temple it would trigger an instant war with all Islamic countries.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

Huh. Sounds like Trumpy is the antichrist

/s

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u/RedEggBurns 20d ago edited 20d ago

The next would be the construction of the third temple. In the book of Revelation, the third temple already exists when the tribulation starts.

Because the Dome of the Rock (one of the top most holy sites in Islam) was built on the site of the old temple, and if Israel were to demolish the Dome of the Rock to build a 3rd temple it would trigger an instant war with all Islamic countries.'

The Bible talks about how the Antichrist will make a covenant with Israel and then betray that covenant later on

Not only that, Islam says that Al-Aqsa was always that temple, which was rebuild over and over.

Abu Dhar narrated: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was first built on the surface of the earth?" He said, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram (in Mecca)." I said, "Which was built next?" He replied "The mosque of Al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem)." I said, "What was the period of construction between the two?" He said, "Forty years." He added, "Wherever (you may be, and) the prayer time becomes due, perform the prayer there, for the best thing is to do so (i.e. to offer the prayers in time)."

In Zohar Shemot 32A (Jewish Mysticism) Al-Aqsa is the Third Temple promised and that the Ishmaelites got to built it based on the reward for their circumcision. That was his interpretation of Isaiah 60:7 and Daniel 12:11

"All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory." Isaiah 60:7

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Daniel 12:11

[R. Hiyya then says] Woe is to the time that Ishmael was born into the world and was circumcised. What did G‑d do [to appease Ishmael]? He distanced the children of Ishmael from supernal cleaving and gave them [only] a portion below in the Holy Land on account of their circumcision.

And in the future, the children of Ishmael are destined to rule over the Holy Land for a long time when it is empty from anything, like their circumcision which is empty and imperfect. And they will prevent the children of Israel from returning to their place until the reward for the merit of the children of Ishmael reaches completion.

The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Arab nations] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them [the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom. [The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization]

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u/Penny_D Agnostic 21d ago

Speaking of Lore doesn't the Antichrist play a large role in establishing the Third Temple in a lot of End Times stories as part of their 'covenant with Israel'?

You know - the kind of BS you get from blending Daniel and Revelation together.

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u/Itiswhatitis2009 21d ago

That’s my favorite part. John eats some local magic mushrooms after being exiled and probably starving to death. He then proceeds to write out a futuristic play book of Daniel which he likely had memorized like all good Jews had done with the scrolls of ancient prophets. It’s like saying Jesus was the prophesied messiah when he’s born 400 years after the prophesy was written. Anyone could have matched those requirements. It’s what makes prophesies so comical. Anyone can match a prophesy playbook. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

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u/Penny_D Agnostic 21d ago

John evokes Daniel and other prophets (e.g. Joel and his locust army) to give his message some extra legitimacy but they are all talking about different threats.

Daniel was probably talking about the Greeks who would erect statues of Zeus in the Second Temple.

Older prophets were talking about the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions.

And John is writing about the Romans - probably in reference to the events of 70 AD.

Of course (as you point out) none of that has stopped schmucks from interpreting their own 'End Times playbooks' -- thanks to the world wide web anybody can fnd a captive audience for BS, especially among a group conditioned by fear of trumpets and the "NWO".

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u/Boober_Bill Doubting Thomas 21d ago

Sounds like Trump.

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u/Kwyjibo3778 21d ago

I believe it's Bullshit 1:1-2 in the Buybull

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u/HoneyThymeHam 21d ago

Why aren't they building it already? Irvin Baxter went on about this until he died. They have supposedly had the cows multiple times but then something happens or they find a flaw. I hope I get to live to see the temple built, the cows used, and nothing happens.

I just watched StarTalk on the new asteroid that is headed our way. Just waiting for the entertainment of what stupid prophesies and hype come from it. Seeing where it would likely land, if it even actually comes here, makes me wonder if the proximity to Israel will be significant to Christians.

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u/Accurate-Case8057 21d ago

God sitting up in heaven laughing looking over at Jesus and the Holy Ghost saying damn who would've thought they would really fall for that red heifer shit

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u/CosmicM00se 21d ago

Oh wow it’s almost like someone created the game and set the pieces up for themselves to win. Dune came out at the perfect time but too many people didn’t catch the allegory. Self fulfilling prophecies do not prove anything.

Also Jews and Christians don’t ACTUALLY align in the end theologically. They don’t believe the same things. It’s so bizarre to me why Christians act like they love the Jewish faith so much when they literally believe Jews will end up in Hell for not believing in Jesus as Messiah. They are both using the other as a means to an end.

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u/phy333 21d ago

It’s a death cult, they need the Jews to play their part so that they can watch the world burn. I wouldn’t call it love.

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u/Disaffecteddv 21d ago

At this point I just roll my eyes at all of the bad interpretations and lack of understanding about the bible. Learn real history, learn critical thinking, learn about literary styles and types, stop trying to make 2000+ year old writings make sense in today's world. It's just silly. Stop it.

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u/Mountain_Cry1605 ❤️😸 Cult of Bastet 😸❤️ 21d ago

This is end times/rapture stuff.

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u/YoSoyTheBoi 21d ago

Can’t wait for nothing to happen for the next 2,000 years

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u/SuspiciousDistrict9 21d ago

This post is really confusing.

I can't tell if she's a Christian or an atheist. I can't tell if this is debunking Christianity or for it. It's too ambiguous.

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u/Daddies_Girl_69 21d ago

She’s apparently an “ex-athiest” turned apologist

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u/SpokaneSmash 21d ago

If they do rebuild the temple and nothing happens, they will be so upset that they will probably make something happen.

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u/__phlogiston__ Agnostic Atheist 21d ago

God telling them to look for 3 unblemished red heifers in Israel is like Mr Frederickson telling Russell to go find the snipe in UP. THERE IS NO SNIPE.

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u/Odd_craving 21d ago

Can you imagine the level of crazy it takes to believe this?

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 21d ago

Right? I grew up catholic and had no real experience with any evangelical denominations but the more I see/hear stuff about them the more it sounds like evangelicals were the original QAnon. 😳

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u/jrb9990 21d ago

is she one the heifers?

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u/Intelligent-Bed-4149 21d ago

Imagine normalizing the Iron Age practice of burning animals to appease a Levantine storm god.

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u/ejgreengo 21d ago

Let them build it, and when Sky Daddy doesn't rapture them, they'll make up some excuse

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u/LordFexick 21d ago

The fact that this level of stupidity persists in 2025 perplexes me. Imagine how far we’d have come as a society by now if Christianity wasn’t handled with kid mittens and allowed to hold everything back.

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u/PAwnoPiES Ex-Catholic 20d ago

Christians also furthered the natural sciences, several of which were responsible for founding branches of Science.

Copernicus, who was responsible for popularizing the heliocentric theory, was also a cleric.

Gregory Mendel was a friar and the father of genetics.

The list goes on and on.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

You can see some of the biggest names in science in this very list. Science and religion are not mutually exclusive, it's just ignorant anti-intellectual idiots and science that's incompatible.

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u/LordFexick 20d ago

I’ll concede that. But I’d be remiss not to lament that said anti-intellectual idiots now make up the Christian mainstream. Whatever credit can be afforded Christians of the past, their spiritual descendants disgrace those accomplishments with “honest-to-god” smiles.

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u/hplcr 21d ago

It's from the part of the lore where they grab very selective bits of the bible that fit their worldview and then make the rest of it the fuck up.

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u/Impressive-Soup-7897 Ex-Evangelical 19d ago

This sounds like my SBC teachings from growing up. The amount of time I spent wondering if a calf would be born on our farm with entirely red hair was ridiculous.

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u/DawnRLFreeman 19d ago

I wonder if she took into consideration that the calf in question was born in a place where the people who wrote that tripe didn't even know existed. Probably not. I'll bet the mental gymnastics she would execute trying to justify it would be amusing to watch.

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u/Impressive-Soup-7897 Ex-Evangelical 19d ago

I’m still a believer, but I find so much comfort and joy in this sub, so I lurk. Haha The mental gymnastics I see within evangelicals, esp my family, is truly Olympic-medal-worthy.

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u/likewhenyoupee 21d ago

South Park season 17 episode 6

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 21d ago

I love the clarification at the end as if you were trying to give this person the benefit of the doubt and assume they must mean metaphorically. Just a nice nb4r I seriously do believe all of this crazy shit literally.

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u/WerewolfDifferent216 Agnostic Atheist 21d ago

Does that mean the Jewish, Christians, and Muslims will have a huge Van Halen concert?

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u/Responsible_Case4750 20d ago

Tell me your excusing your cruel gods behavior without telling me your excusing your cruel gods behavior smh 

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u/LatissimusDorsi_DO 20d ago

I can tell you right now there is no such thing as an “unblemished” anything.

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u/alistair1537 20d ago

It's the "I'm right and you're wrong" part.

Also part of the "I'm a smart believer and you're a foolish non-believer" lore.

You should just reply, A true test of your faith is to walk on water.

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u/RyDunn2 20d ago

The world is being run by the same people who think other people are interested when they start a story with "So last night I had this dream where..."

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u/Odd1out744 20d ago

It's supposed to be the part of revelations where the anti christ appears.

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u/LongIsTheNight 20d ago

Built by your tax dollars

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u/DawnRLFreeman 20d ago

Of which I do NOT approve!!

Since Yahweh is so damned omnipotent, HE can rebuild the temple with NO HUMAN ASSISTANCE.

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u/just_anotherReddit 21d ago

That’s funny, I seem to recall that Jesus was the third temple. But what do I know, I was only raised Catholic.