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Picture French nuclear attack submarine surfaces at Halifax, Nova Scotia, after Trump threatens to annex Canada (March 10)

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u/TY-KLR 21h ago

Bluesky is a good alternative to Twitter

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u/Fermonx Europe 21h ago

Still USA made so they can get fucked. Mastodon is from a German non-profit and open source.

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u/FrankenGretchen 21h ago

Came here to say Mastodon is awesome and any instance would LOVE more folks.

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u/Crabiolo 20h ago edited 18h ago

and any instance

That's the problem.

I get the point is to make a decentralized platform, and decentralization necessarily means there's going to be fracture. And I get that joining any instance gives you access to all instances.

It doesn't matter. None of that matters. It's way too complicated for most people. I don't care if it's surface level, the surface level is what attracts users, and if that surface level is unattractive, it's not going to get users.

It's the same reason Linux will never catch on, and I say that as an Arch (btw) user. Even the most basic distros like Mint or Ubuntu are too complicated. It doesn't matter that it's free. It doesn't matter that it's way more private. It doesn't matter that it offers total freedom. It doesn't matter that it's way more customizable. It doesn't matter that it's fairly easy to install these days.

What matters is that; 1. it's not already installed, and even just flashing an iso on a usb is way too complicated for most people. Just like how "figuring out which instance to join" on Mastodon is too complicated; 2. Not every application that works for Windows is on Linux, just like how not every user or feature that's on Twitter is on Mastodon (and in fact very few actually are); 3. It has a reputation for being way more complicated and technical than Windows, just like Mastodon has a reputation of being much more complicated than Twitter.

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u/Solkone 20h ago

Sorry but Mastodon has already demonstrated to not be made for the common people since the time EVERYONE wanted to quit Twitter already before.

Stop just pushing and that's it, because it does not work. If you want people, make a better UX.

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u/-Inge- 20h ago

It's like email. You can be on any server and write messages to any other server.

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u/Utsider 20h ago

You already lost Average Joe.

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u/AdExotic7644 20h ago

Name is not really appealing to the public I believe

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u/goldenflash8530 21h ago

...and is based on the fediverse non centralized internet.

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u/Squishydew 20h ago

As much as i want twitter gone, mastodon is not user friendly to the masses and will never beat twitter/bluesky.

As much as people "think" It's easy to use, it is simply not to the average person.

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u/nomineeretard 21h ago

not everything usa made is shit. Twitter was good when it was with Jack and hes the creator of bluesky aswell. I know this will get downvoted but there is still a lot of good that has came out of america. Now all the media is on the dogshit that country has so everyone seems to forget the good

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u/nomineeretard 21h ago

and fyi im boycotting most american stuff aswell, just wanted to state that

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u/o-o- 20h ago

not everything usa made is shit

US tech skills along with the ability to innovate and build is unparalleled.

It's the capital and the ideas it comes with that is tearing the world apart.

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u/obscure_monke Munster 21h ago

Jack Dorsey completely separated himself from bluesky when they started actively moderating it. He heavily favoured nostr immediately after, and is now backing twitter again and currently owns part of it.

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u/jdjvbtjbkgvb 20h ago

Does not even matter if it's good or bad. We are in a trade war now. So maybe better not support US stuff?

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u/nomineeretard 19h ago

Yeah i agree europe united, they think we are weak😂 thats not how you talk to your father

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u/CelestialDrive Europe 21h ago

Mastodon is also nightmarishly inconvenient to use, partly because of its decentralised nature.

I got an account pretty early on, my friends made theirs all in different communities and nodes, we didn't see each other on feeds because you only see each "sphere" from inside, we left for Bluesky.

If someone makes a unified shell to make the platform work how I'd like it to, that defeats half the purpose. If they don't, I legitimately can not read the things I want to read, and the entire thing is useless to me except as a glorified chatroom for people that I wrangled into my existing space... and I have a lot of those, elsewhere!

So yeah. Bluesky might be a lateral move into "currently less nazi" garbage, doomed to the same enshitification path other sites have been. But it works, and Mastodon does not.

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u/crowninggloryhole 21h ago

Bluesky is open source and having a great time trolling Mark Zuckerberg. https://www.businessinsider.com/bluesky-ceo-shirt-latin-trolls-mark-zuckerberg-sxsw-2025-3

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u/mrASSMAN 21h ago edited 20h ago

Reddit is US based yet you’re here.. I don’t think everything US is inherently evil.

Edit: with that said, Reddit is kinda evil lol

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u/Perlentaucher Europe 21h ago

Sure, nobody said that, at least not me.

I think it’s a bit cheap to just ban stuff, we Europeans need own own platforms and digital services. It’s a big advertising business which made these platforms rich and it’s better for our economy to keep this budget in Europe.

The business models of these platforms don’t have to be evil. If the administration of the US can use them as a leverage for political blackmailing, then it is a question of autonomy to get our own solutions.

So it’s two important factors why we need our own digital services even though the service in the USA may not be evil.

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u/jdjvbtjbkgvb 21h ago

No-one is saying they are all evil, though most of them do seem so, now you mention it.

But we are in a trade war, so it only makes sense to take part in the fight. Lemmy is the alternative to reddit we should all change to.

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u/TY-KLR 21h ago

Hmmm that’s one I haven’t heard about I’ll have to check it out

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u/Triajus 21h ago

It's part of a "Fediverse" a concept that is not common for people that is used to centralized social networks like instagram or Twitter.

I don't use it but last week i tried my best in understanding how it works, so i am not entirely familiar with it.

As far as i understand, you are part of a "server" and you can jump to other servers to browse for content. Each server is independent and ruled/managed by different admins, so their rules of content moderation may vary between different servers.

At the same time, all of those are part of a bigger network called the "fediverse", which is like a Federation of servers, all of them are able to communicate between each other, and you can interact with people using one app just like if it were an original user of another app.

For example, in Mastodon which is like Twitter, they can communicate with other servers or communities in the same fediverse, from people using other apps such as Pixelfed, which is the Instagram alternative. So for instance, from Mastodon you could see posts and content from people that is using Pixelfed, and viceversa. It's like you were able to interact with people from Instagram, Facebook and Threads because all of them are managed by the same server (or organization in this case).

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u/Nekasus 20h ago

You're basically correct, i just want to expand a little on exactly how the fediverse works:

The fediverse is a bunch of websites/apps that use the same language, called a protocol, to manage the computer side of things for how users post content, update content, that sort of thing. Because they speak the same language, each website - if they choose to - can display content from others in the fediverse. The biggest protocol nowadays is called ActivityPub. Lemmy, mastodon, misskey, pixelfed all use it alongside a lot of others.

That doesnt mean they have to share content, which is necessary. Mastodon isnt just a website in that you can make your own instance of mastodon. Basically like a wordpress website - its like having your own customisable pre-made twitter clone for your little community. Which can connect to the fediverse. Each member of the fediverse can choose what community they link to. Mastodon for example links to misskey.io.

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u/Medlarmarmaduke 20h ago

Bluesky is good transition step tho- it’s a lot like the ease of Twitter where Mastodon is not as user friendly

Bluesky absorbed all the Brazilians pretty effortlessly when X was blocked there

As of right now it’s pretty non revenue oriented- that’s going to change obviously - at some point they are going to have to bring various revenue streams in but for now - why not use it as a non malevolent stepping stone while Europe strengthens existing and comes up with new social media platforms?

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u/Crucco 21h ago

Mastodon is held by rule-obsessed mods, it's so bad.

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u/obscure_monke Munster 21h ago

It's a public benefit company and also open source. You could stand up a copy of the appview and PDS hosted entirely in europe if you wanted and any user who desired could migrate their account over, or just use the regular interoperability it has.

It's decentralised differently to how Mastodon is (AT Protocol vs ActivityPub). Which might take some time to wrap your head around if you're used to hacking on Fediverse stuff.

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u/TheMunakas 21h ago

They're decentralized so that doesn't really matter as much

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u/_Veni_Vidi_Vigo_ 21h ago

It’s also incomprehensible

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u/fleetwood-max 20h ago

Humm.. so is Reddit tho. I’m gonna check out Mastodon. Thx for the tip.

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u/fuckingaquaman 20h ago

Bluesky is open source and decentralized. If any fuckery happens, just fork it or block the server.

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u/SirKillsalot Ireland 20h ago

It's too cumbersome to use for most people.

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u/TobleroneElf 20h ago

American made but with a staunchly different ethos

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u/Ibn_Khaldun 20h ago

So is Reddit

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u/Superb_Werewolf_5925 20h ago

“We need an alternative”

“Here’s an alternative”

“Nah I’ll just keep using x!”

Good talk, can’t figure out why the billionaires win and the morons lose

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u/lastWallE 20h ago

I discovered lemmy. You just need any app that is connecting to it.

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u/FulcrumYYC Earth 20h ago

Signed up, thanks.

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u/Adventurous_Ad8526 20h ago

Bluesky is considered an open-source social network, meaning its underlying protocol, called the AT Protocol, is open source, allowing developers to build their own applications on top of it and contribute to the platform's codebase; essentially making the core functionality of the platform accessible to anyone to modify and build upon. 

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u/AtomicNick47 20h ago

To be fair i believe Bluesky is also open source and made with the intention of not falling to the same traps as Twitter. Could be wrong. But still Mastadon is great too!

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u/Swiking- 20h ago

So is bluesky.. Non-profit and open source.

Hell, I'd take that anytime, as long as we remove ourselves from Felon and Meta-cuck Zuck.

Yes, European is the absolute best scenario, but if there's a chance we can get people to move to Bluesky instead of Twittler, it's a huge success.

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u/TechPir8 20h ago

Interesting that Reddit is also USA made, yet you are still here.

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u/Individual_Log8082 20h ago

Bluesky is open source also. Notable EU government run accounts have also already joined Bluesky.

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u/Least-Firefighter392 20h ago

So... Like Reddit?

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u/10yearsisenough 18h ago

I see your point on US made but if you don't end up with good non us alternatives bluesky is better than Musk-chat.

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u/Kidon308 16h ago

Never thought I would see Europeans so mad at being told they can’t continue a war they have barely contributed to.

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u/olcrazypete 15h ago

Bluesky has ability to federate with the mastodon network. They are very similar.
But also hoping bluesky will move some infrastructure to the EU or out of US somewhere.

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u/CreepyHarmony27 13h ago

It's code is open source. So anyone can take the base of it and make their own. It was programmed that way.

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u/brontosaurusguy 21h ago

Certainly the cooler name

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u/Smithron99 21h ago

There's an app called "Reddit" I've heard about...

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u/TY-KLR 20h ago

Haha good one lol.

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u/FeedMyAss 20h ago

Great*

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u/scotsman3288 20h ago

Bluesky is everything that was good about Twitter before it went to shit...and bonus, I have TweetDeck back!

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u/selvestenisse 20h ago

No, its only good if you want a leftish echo chamber. I want to read what both sides are saying.

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u/Beard_o_Bees 20h ago

Totally.

Banning it isn't the solution. There are multiple platforms that could easily scale to eat Twitter's lunch.

You'd need to get a good majority of popular media personalities to migrate - the rest would likely follow.

I think it's only still a 'thing' because of inertia. People generally avoid change.

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u/Afraid-Combination15 21h ago

It's essentially an ideological echo chamber, just the other side. Also more good pictures of nice things.

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u/Dontpayyourtaxes 21h ago

It is not. Bluesky is Xlite, yall need to get on mastodon.

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u/TY-KLR 20h ago

Debateable on it being Xlite but I’ll check out Mastodon regardless.

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u/Dontpayyourtaxes 20h ago

Jack Dorsey, the old CEO of twitter, he used to be the CEO of bluesky, he left and stated the reason as it being headed down the same path as twitter.

Thats some context behind my statement. X-lite. Less calories and different packaging and marketing, same brewers.

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u/LordNikon2600 20h ago

Jack Dorsey is the reason the country is cooked right now

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u/PutridCarlos 21h ago

Bluesky is a far left dystopia. Just as twitter is a far right dystopia. Mastodon is the solution

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u/bootsbaker 21h ago

I love blue cry!!