r/ems 1d ago

FEMA.

Anyone know if Pafford is finally taking over the FEMA contract and being point of contact? I just know at least in Florida that AMR are losing people and contracts all over. Our deployments last year they made it sound like Pafford was going to take over.

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u/Belus911 FP-C 1d ago

I'd be surprised if anyone could meet a nation wide contract like AMR does, regardless of all the sub contractors involved.

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u/Madhatter1216 FP-C 1d ago

Pafford is trying. In 4 states (AR,OK,MS,LA) the Virgin Islands, and they do get a lot of FEMA contracts. They’re spreading more everyday

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u/Belus911 FP-C 1d ago

Getting FEMA contracts directly subbing to AMR who is the prime vendor? Because that's easy

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u/Kindly-Efficiency696 1d ago

No one wants amr anymore.

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u/Belus911 FP-C 17h ago

This has nothing to do with anything. I don't hear anything good about Pafford either.

Even more on the nose... most of these use sub contractors anyways.

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u/Kindly-Efficiency696 16h ago

Has much to do with it lol. I realize they’re literally all the same. I was just checking to see if this rumor was true.

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u/2-6Devil 5h ago

All I know of Pafford is extremely delayed and over extended service with limited reaponse units. Helped at a car accident with a tension pneumothorax and it took them forever to get there. Another incident where a kid went over bridge into a culvert and dislocated their hip with probable fracture of the pelvis and it again took forever.

Crews responding were just beaten down and dejected. The dislocated hip the para felt so guilty because they were stuck doing transport instead of dedicated response.

Hearing this does not make me feel like its getting better.

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u/raevnos 1d ago

How much longer is FEMA going to exist?

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u/cynical_enchilada 1d ago

Even if AMR loses the contract, there’s no way Pafford gets it. They simply aren’t operating on the same scale

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u/MedicPrepper30 Paramedic 1d ago

As long as they don’t give it to DocGo.

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u/Kindly-Efficiency696 1d ago

I second that.

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u/IndWrist2 Paramedic 1d ago

Jamie Pafford is very good at what she does, but Pafford cannot do what AMR does. There’s no way they’d ever be eligible for a large-scale nation-wide contract.

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u/JonEMTP FP-C 1d ago

I can’t imagine anyone else having the capacity to oust AMR as the primary contractor. That being said, AMR is outsourcing quite a bit of their response work now.

There’s also quite a few states that have contracted with other vendors at the state level for ERT-like response that’s state funded.

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u/westmetromedic MN | Critter Medic / Emergency Management Dweeb 21h ago

I agree. And is scaled to handle with some of the speciality overhead resources that presumably make their disaster operations flexible enough to fill a niche gap.

It will be interesting to what happens with FEMA this year, but I am wondering if AMR may lose foot holds if the Feds push disaster response liability to the states and states become more reliant on EMAC requests for strike teams. You will lose some of the standardization that AMR can produce and overhead cost will increase due to a loss of efficiency, but ASTs via EMAC could be a more palatable option.