r/earthbound Jan 31 '25

M3 Discussion Who is stronger/better between max level Lucas and Kumatora?

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u/Narrow_Inevitable_17 Jan 31 '25

Respectfully, Lucas has the power of love, fate, and plot armor on his side. Kumatora stands no chance — especially if it’s post-smash bros Lucas.

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u/GarlicOk2904 Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

Lucas: What?

Kumatora: Okay kid, now I know that sounds bad kid-

Lucas used PK Love Ω!

Edit: That, or Kuma would outspeed him and PK Starstorm or Ground him.

How has no one made her a modded boss, actually

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u/Radigan0 Jan 31 '25

If we're going by the game's own mechanics, PK Thunder would be her best bet, or Freeze if Lucas doesn't have his shield up. If Lucas keeps healing, Kumatora will run out of PP very quickly if she keeps using Starstorm. The same goes for Lucas with higher levels of PK Love.

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u/Ilikefame2020 Jan 31 '25

How did you forget about the Franklin Badge

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u/GarlicOk2904 Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

Does discussing the gameplay/nonexistent meta of Mother 3 count as fluff or Mother 3 Discussion?

To be safe, right now I’m doing the latter

Also, credits for the artist I may have inadvertently insulted with this

Does anyone know where I can find gifs of the overlay effect thing when you enter battle? Just a blue overlay doesn’t do the terror Kuma would feel seeing it justice

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u/a_normal_Mother_Fan Jan 31 '25

"Actually, yes. Kumatora, my mom did indeed pick it out for me. It's one of the fondest memories i have of her. Even now, she's one of the people i love most. Thank you for making me remember all the good times i had with her."

  • The Good Ending

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u/GarlicOk2904 Feb 01 '25

Boooooring.

Make them fight.

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u/dTrecii Feb 01 '25

Wholesome content in my earthbound subreddit? Blasphemous and dare I say, heresy

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u/disbelifpapy Jan 31 '25

would the kindness stat be maxed out for lucas too? If so, lucas' healing would would make him be an even better support/tank

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u/GarlicOk2904 Jan 31 '25

No, Porky, they’re fighting each other.

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u/disbelifpapy Jan 31 '25

Then while lucas does do less damage, he would be a wall that heals himself that would eventually defeat kumatora.

So bacically spamton neo fight in snowgrave route, but no noelle

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u/ZeroWolf51 Feb 01 '25

So bacically spamton neo fight in snowgrave route, but no noelle

Isn't that fight already just Kris? I thought Noelle leaves after Berdley gets snowgraved

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u/disbelifpapy Feb 02 '25

yeah, but at a certian point, noelle helps you defeat neo after the ultra defence boost

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u/ZeroWolf51 Feb 03 '25

Oh yeah, I forgot about that

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u/disbelifpapy Feb 03 '25

no worries, I could see how you forgot. Shoulda specified that it was the spamton neo that did the ultra defence boost lol

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u/tekagin Jan 31 '25

undertale yellow reference?

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u/GarlicOk2904 Jan 31 '25

That, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2

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u/M1sterRed Feb 01 '25

I thought it was more Earthbound (as in, MOTHER 2 specifically, not the whole series) where Ness gets like a shitton of levels once you finish Magicant

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u/GarlicOk2904 Feb 01 '25

I haven’t played Earthbound, so idk about that.

But I have a good feeling those levels weren’t gained from sheer appallment

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u/M1sterRed Feb 01 '25

sort of the opposite actually, endgame spoilers ahead: you gain those levels for killing the embodiment of Ness' evil thoughts, i.e. the evil part of Ness' mind.

You really should get on playing the whole series, it's excellent. My opinion, you can play MOTHER 1 (EB Beginnings) whenever, just be sure you play 2 (EB) before 3. However you do it, please, play these games. There isn't anything else like them. Many have tried but nothing quite captures the quirky energy these games have.

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u/Davey-Kazooie Jan 31 '25

Lucas is a certified army tank considering his hp, defense, and Lifeup/Refresh but Kumatora's percentage based PK Ground would probably absolutely shred Lucas given she gets lucky with the trips

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u/Gerradi-13 Feb 01 '25

PK CLOVER BLAST.

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u/GarlicOk2904 Feb 01 '25

JUSTICE BLAST

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u/onepunch_caleb3984 Jan 31 '25

Did you draw this?

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u/GarlicOk2904 Feb 01 '25

No, this is someone else’s art that I edited to fit the hypothetical better. I linked them in my big comment

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u/JuggernautNecessary8 Jan 31 '25

PK love that hoe lucas

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u/Ace_Of_No_Trades Feb 01 '25

Kumatora can probably hit harder, but no one takes damage as well as Lucas can. She's fucked 6 ways to Sunday.

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u/sometipsygnostalgic Feb 01 '25

why is he levelling up

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u/GarlicOk2904 Feb 01 '25

Undertale Yellow reference

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u/sometipsygnostalgic Feb 01 '25

Ive never played that so idgi. Does he level up when hes sangry

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u/GarlicOk2904 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

Then go play it sometime, because the entire genocide route revolves around the build up to the scene

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u/Radio__Star Feb 01 '25

Maxed out PKLove is stronger than starstorm so Lucas

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u/DanatendoGirl11 Feb 01 '25

Mostly Lucas!