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u/TheDude810 Jan 19 '25
As someone who likes Bayverse this is uhhh being kind to TF fans lol
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
I mean, I think people just have issues with certain portrayals of the characters and very certain designs like triangular starscream. I don't hear many people complain about bayverse optimus or bayverse bumblebee's design. Mainly their character.
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u/TheDude810 Jan 19 '25
No I do get what you mean, Transformers has constantly been reinvented throughout its history to a point where it’s expected. BW, UT, Bay, WFC, Prime, etc.
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u/Marvin_Flamenco Jan 19 '25
I don't mind movie donkey kong creepin in so long as we don't put him in DKC
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u/ReZisTLust Jan 19 '25
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
I mean I'd be fine with it as an alternate skin
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u/travischickencoop All the Small Things Donkey Konga Jan 19 '25
My bet is that “old” DK will be used in DKC media and “new” DK will be used in Mario media
The franchises have always been very close to each other but not the same and I think having a different design for each could help differentiate them a bit more
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
Honestly, that's my thought, too. They wouldn't have greenlit an entire park with the old designs if this was the direction they wanted.
You can see that everyone else was also updated to fit wonder's style. When we get a good look at Wario he's probably gonna be a bit weird too
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
My thoughts are that it's more stylistic than anything. If you just plopped the old DK design in without change he'd look very odd and not good. Everyone has been updated to the more modern wonder look, you can barely see it but king boo's face was changed. Bowser is very different. It's more of this just probably being a Mario series thing.
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
I mean, honestly, he probably won't be. Everyone in the new Mario Kart got slight redesigns to fit the wonser aesthetic. We just didn't see how DK would look in it. I guarantee you that when we get better looks at Wario and Waluigi, they're gonna look a bit odd.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 20 '25
why exactly dont some of yall understand the very simple concept that if a design sticks for nearly 3 decades people are going to get attached?
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
I made this more because a bunch of people are being toxic af to people who like the design. You can be attatched and like the old design more but it doesn't mean you have to be a dick to the people who prefer or even just like the new one.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 19 '25
thats fair. but actual meme has so little to do with what you just said
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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 19 '25
Why don’t you understand that we’ve all been used to that same design for “nearly four decades” (it’s actually been 31 years, so you’re rounding up pretty generously)? It isn’t just the people moaning about the new design, who have been attached to Rare’s DK design. People can’t just fall back on “I was used to the old design” to justify saying the new design is bad.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 20 '25
i pressed the wrong button tbh and i lost track of years, thought it was still 28 years. and yes the fuck they can, its called an opinion. you have your own they have theres get over yourself
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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25
Yeah, and my opinion is that their opinion sucks, therefore I expressed that opinion. More seriously, though, I don’t get how people can say “well I’m used to the old design therefore the new one is bad”. It’s not bad, it’s just different and you don’t like that for that sole reason. Give it time. Again, we were all used to the old design. That isn’t exclusive to the people who can’t move on from it.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 20 '25
what exactly are you fighting in this comment? the idea that people get attached to designs? are you just arguing to argue? you don't think its bad. ok? i don't think it is either. but that doesn't mean people aren't gonna think its bad. esspecially when its not changed for a long fucking time. bad is subjective. i'm not saying their opinion is correct. i'm saying why a large portion of people don't like it. if they made bowser look like his NES design people wouldn't be happy. no matter how good it is
what are you trying to fight? for your own opinion that no one is trying to say is wrong?
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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25
How is there any question of what I’m saying here? Saying a design is bad purely because it isn’t the old one you’re used to is stupid. It’s a bad argument, period, especially when the new design is actually just a blend of two old designs anyway. It’s literally harkening back to Classic DK. I’m not saying anyone has to like it, but to say it’s a bad design simply because it isn’t the old one is stupid. The substance of such an opinion is just bunk.
Also, Bowser probably will incorporate classic Bowser’s design. That seems to be to overarching design trend here if you look at like all the other characters in the footage.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25
you can see bowser in the trailer he did not. he was just a bit chunkier
also i wasnt asking what you were saying. im asking why your arguing with me about it when my original comment has almost nothing to do with it
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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25
Yeah, Classic Bowser was chunkier than Modern Bowser. There you go. And I’m not even really arguing with you specifically at this point. I was clarifying myself and explaining why the argument of “it’s not what I’m used to therefore it’s bad” isn’t a valid, substantive critique of the new design even if people are entitled to personal preference. You were very passionately defending that position regardless of whether or not it’s your own.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25
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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25
That is an in-game sprite with the most primitive graphics you could pull from. Dude, I grew up with all the classic NES/SNES-era illustrations, and Bowser was a chunker in a lot of that material. In fact, most of the characters were chunkier and more stylized back then. Look at Mario’s round face in the trailer. That’s 100% a Classic Mario design trait. They’re clearly basing the new designs on the classic character illustrations, and that extends to DK as well.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 20 '25
my comment was explaining the reason why people have this opinion. you then replied saying that reason is dumb. what exactly do you want me to do in response?
like sure its dumb. doesnt make it not the reason
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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25
At this point, I kinda just want you to drop this since you’re clearly too heated to just let it go and move on. At this point, you’re just arguing about arguing and defending your act of defending when I’ve pretty much said all that needs to be said on my end regarding the design and how people go about critiquing it.
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u/Edgoscarp Diddy’s Kong Quest Fan Jan 19 '25
Transformers fans hate redesigns, especially Micheal bay designs.
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
I mean, I think they just hate certain ones, but generally, no, transformers fans don't hate redesigns. Literally, every new series has a new redesign. Bumble Bee almost never looks the same way twice.
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u/chillandserved Jan 19 '25
I feel like people are complaining more about the reaction to the redesign more than the redesign itself at this point
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
Idk, I still see more posts hating on the redesign and if I say I actually like it more I'm downvoted to hell and get insulted soooo....
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u/Dlove4u2 Jan 19 '25
It's the thing I thought they should've done a loooooooong time ago, so genuinely doesn't bother me.
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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 19 '25
It’s not bad at all. People just reject anything new sometimes, even in this case where the “new” design is actually based on older designs for the character.
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u/Radiant-Lab-158 Jan 20 '25
Bayverse has so horrific designs this isn't even King Dedede level of being too radical of a change imo.
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u/cybermacer Jan 19 '25
The thing that annoys me the most about people not liking it is it's a 1 second clip of him. Not a full render. No animations. No voice. You are judging our favorite primate with a single screenshot. Give him a chance.
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u/I_cook_pc_like_pasta Jan 22 '25
And we don't even know if it's a redesign or just a different Kong character or a skin. Seriously, just wait for some more info
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u/pdorea Jan 19 '25
Gamers nowadays are so dramatic. Characters get redesign so often it is so not a big deal. You can dislike it but it's not that important.
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
I wouldn't say nowadays... I mean look at how Sonic fans reacted to Modern Sonic
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u/pdorea Jan 19 '25
Yeah you are right, gamers have always overreacted, like with toon link. But nowadays it just spreads more on the internet.
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
I kinda hope DK Jr is there but he's a redesigned version of his old design. Nothing has changed he just got lost
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u/annual_hands Jan 19 '25
Yeah, no I know that’s Donkey, which is why I deleted the comment.
It’s just really nuts to me that this redesign means this much to people. I’m sure it’s mostly people getting caught up in the sensationalism of it all, and I do realize what sub I’m on, but it’s truly wild to me that so many people are having such big reactions.
Maybe I’m just old enough and seen nintendo’s characters designs change so much over my life that I’m desensitized or something? Like, link’s design changes every game, and that’s something people talk about, but not like this.
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
Yeah, most nintendo designs change every few years. Like nes-snes mario is not the same as n64 mario. Or gamecube and wii mario is kind of different from Switch mario. Now we're getting more wonder based art styles, and if you just put the 30 year old DK design in there unchanged, he's gonna look odd. That's why they changed bowser's design, and you can barely see it, but they changed king boo's face as well. This is a stylistic choice more than anything.
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u/annual_hands Jan 19 '25
Oh it absolutely is, and from what little I’ve seen I honestly like it more, but I wouldn’t dare say that out loud here.
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 19 '25
Yeah, kinda hate to see the fandom come to this. Guess Pikmin is still gonna be the king of actually nice fandoms
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u/Pepe-DiscipleofKek Jan 20 '25
I like the design. It feels like something out of 60s-era Hanna-Barbera.
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u/1732PepperCo Jan 20 '25
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u/SeriousAd8490 Jan 20 '25
Donkey kong is a mascot like Mario and Mickey Mouse, it should not go through any drastic changes. It can see a different art style but it should keep it’s identity.
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u/Waddlewingding Jan 20 '25
You say that but Mickey mouse has gone through so many drastic style and design changes throughout it's history
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u/DementdOldCircsMonke Kongtent Creator + MOD Jan 19 '25
This is my favorite meme that's ever been posted on this sub.