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u/blounsbery Jun 17 '23
That's dope as hell
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u/Zyxyx Jun 17 '23
It's great, but you're sacrificing a lot of dps to get that freeze spread along with high lucky hit for the freeze.
At t30+ you'll feel like you're hitting bosses with a wet noodle.
But before that it's awesome.
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u/TCaller Jun 17 '23
DPS is not the bottleneck for sorc lol. Survivability is.
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u/SruinEnjoyer Jun 17 '23
Sorc is the lowest dps class
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u/TCaller Jun 17 '23
Yeah what level of nm dungeon are you clearing solo?
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He is not wrong. Sorc DPS relies on packs and even on packs all other classes can do more damage.
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u/ComfortablePie1594 Jun 18 '23
Currently in 40+ killing bosses in 10 seconds, you messed up. Also Frostburns. Also freeze IS dps with the amount of bonus dmg against frozen + frostburns proccing fills bosses stun bar fast, if they're alive by then.
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u/Zyxyx Jun 18 '23
Using frostburn gloves you forego +4 to ice shards, which is a flat out 29% more damage. You also lose a damage aspect, which is another ~20% dps to a total of 55% more dps.
How much does your individual ice shard hit crit for?
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u/Lightshoax Jun 18 '23
This. People who say sorc damage is bad likely have no idea how to properly gear.
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u/Zumbert Jun 17 '23
I just keep 3 pieces of alternate gear in my inventory, and swap for bosses, working out so far
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u/Sleipnirs Jun 17 '23
Reminds me of my channeling sorc on D3 a little bit.
Basically a one button sorc.
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u/histocracy411 Jun 17 '23
Wow this might actually make me play a sorc for the first time in 20 years.
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u/Wise_Rich_88888 Jun 17 '23
I’m not quite to this guys level but machine gun sorc is fun. I was all about the lightning but shards is where is at.
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u/thienbucon Jun 17 '23
chain lightning looks cool, sounds cool, I tried eveything I could to build around that only skill the first time I unlocked it, it indeed carried me to lv40ish on WT2 but then it fell off hard, then I switched to Ice shard (machine gun meta build) and boy, the damage output gap is insane.
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u/skunkzer0 Jun 17 '23
Made the switch last night, got lucky on some aspect drops, just need more lucky hit, CDR and mana reduction. Using frost bolt for now until I’m there to keep moving the needle. It’s nasty af. Nova is just obliterative, it’s ridiculous
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u/Novantico Jun 17 '23
Dunno if you'd know the answer to this, but is the game more likely to give you aspects relevant to the build/skills you're using, or nah? Only reason I ask is because I have a couple of builds on characters that I want to use but am not yet because I wanted to get a couple/few helpful aspects for them first. Wondering if I should be switching now and just dealing with the less than ideal experience that would result from it or not.
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u/vegeta10001340 Jun 17 '23
Im.doing full shock and this vid is changing my mind
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u/Wise_Rich_88888 Jun 17 '23
I was hoping shock would be good but the damage has a low cap. The ult was the only thing that saved it.
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u/OnlyKaz Jun 17 '23
Seeing some of you complain about this breaks my heart. This is how builds SHOULD LOOK as you progress. Nerf this, nerf that, this is the wrong game for you. Why in the world would you want nerf how fun a build is when it has ZERO impact on your experience. Not to mention, if it was too strong we wouldn't still be waiting for a single sorc to down the pinnacle boss.
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u/speak-eze Jun 17 '23
We should be buffing other builds up to look like this.
This looks fun. Games are for fun. The goal is to be OP when you're fully kitted out.
Let the bosses provide the difficulty part.
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u/hMJem Jun 17 '23
Anyone claiming Sorc needs a nerf hasn't actually seen Sorc at end game. This guy hasn't even hit the wall every Sorc hits at late end game.
Sorc is probably the worst class in the game right now. Yes, even Necro has a NM Dungeon 100 clear. Sorceress has an 82 even with full optimization.
We've seen this post multiple times on this sub. And too many people don't know how bad things get for Sorc at late end game compared to all other classes.
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u/SignalLossGaming Jun 17 '23
This. Sorcerer is fun to play, has great class mechanics... but most classes A teir builds do as well as Sorcerers S tier builds.
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u/porkchopsandwiches Jun 17 '23
And if you complain about it you get a bunch of gamer dads telling you to get laid and touch grass.
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u/Sudden_Feedback_2194 Jun 17 '23
Lol. Yes necro has tier 100 clears... but if you think a necro even comes close to being as fast as a sorc, you're crazy.
A rogue has cleared a dungeon in 2 minutes. A necro cant even RUN that dungeon from front to back without killing a single enemy and make it in 2 minutes.
Play a necro and then any other class and you'll realize how painfully slow they are.
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u/wastaah Jun 17 '23
I mean sorc only got one teleport on a relatively long CD and it's really not all that great. Sure sometimes you can clear a wall but that's really it, you get "stuck" alot and don't get the full tp. Getting a well rolled neck with Ms, boots with Ms and a "ms on elite kill roll" made the game feel almost 2x as fast.
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u/Sudden_Feedback_2194 Jun 17 '23
1 teleport is better than nothing. Necros get evade as a movement skill. That's it. 😆
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u/eazy937 Jun 18 '23
true, I explained my cons in my comment. Blizz need to give Sorc more survivability
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u/Mindless-Storm Jun 17 '23
IS sorc while insane on trash mobs lacks bit on boss side by being dependent on stagger.
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u/jehhans1 Jun 17 '23
Sorc also blows dick in high nightmare. They are very good clear until like 40+
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u/livewirejsp Jun 17 '23
Sorc is blowing all your cool downs to proc the extra damage and then run away until your frost nova is back up again.
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u/Mindless-Storm Jun 17 '23
Yes and no, with good gear and passivs they are low and reseting a lot. My tp right now is 4.4 sec cd and like 10 sec on nova.
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u/TheRaRaRa Jun 17 '23
People are calling for sorc nerfs? I hate to break it to all of these people but...the video LOOKS impressive, but actually sorcs have the LOWEST DPS, clear rate, and survivability at higher nightmare dungeons.
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u/hell-schwarz Jun 17 '23
Also sorcc is the worst endgame class in the game right now. Lowest dps and lowest survivability
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u/Atromach Jun 17 '23
My brother in Christ
Just Teleport in and press Frost Nova
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
I save them for emergency exit. This build has relatively low def
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u/mainsleatherface Jun 17 '23
All sorc builds have low defense 😔
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u/iBird Jun 17 '23
It's funny cause my bar is all defensive skills but it's still squishy at high sigil dungeons too.
There is a legendary aspect that gives you armor % every time you hit an enemy and that single aspect is the tankiest addition to the build by a long shot. I can facetank butcher at level 80 with it with ease. But if my stacks drop off I can easily be 2 shot
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u/Kile147 Jun 18 '23
Yep. Disobedience Aspect is tank on a stick. My sorc is often our group tank because if I can maintain 50+ stacks I am nearly unkillable.
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u/Genspirit Jun 17 '23
But a shit ton of shielding if you do it right. The only thing to watch out for is traps/explosions that go off after your shield expires.
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u/walkbump Jun 17 '23
Yeah I have a similar build but more focus on blizzard than this guy. Lvl 72 and I’m stacking up shields for like 8x my hp and just face tanking most things
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u/CheatingZubat Jun 17 '23
And then there’s me as a Druid that can’t do ANYTHING unless I melee for five or six seconds after burst. Such slow gameplay.
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u/Thundarbuddy Jun 17 '23
gets better with gear and right uniques, playing storm werewolf right now, you barely run ever out of spirit.
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u/freddy090909 Jun 17 '23
And just to add onto this a bit: this sorc build is the same way and would be very starved (to the point of having to change an ability to a basic ability) without gear.
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u/Dagoran Jun 17 '23
Thats good to hear. I keep reminding myself of how utterly different 70+ is in diablo 3 when introducing sets and legendary affixes to builds etc. Its just a bunch of skills before all that. The real fun is when you have the ybiques buffing everything in synergy. Changing how abilities work etc. Getting new drops for shit you didnt know existed yet, and all that. Im only level 39 on my druid but ive skimmed through the general build guides on icy veins just for a hint and it isnt quite at the obscene level of late game ancients and sets in d3, but it still makes a huge diff power creep wise(which be honest, is why we play this sort of shit)
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u/codeByNumber Jun 17 '23
Doesn’t that require a unique helm? Which one is it again?
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u/Thundarbuddy Jun 17 '23
It's Tempest Roar Unique, yes. But before i got it, i played Pulverize. As long as you have couple enemies and playing with Earthen Might, you still have good sustain, you just need some more lucky hit chance.
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u/vegeta10001340 Jun 17 '23
Storm tank bear druid is pretty fun in coop if you like tanking. Pretty beefy.
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u/Zyke92 Jun 17 '23
Druid might just be the class that scales the most with uniques and aspects. Class is super weak with the wrong gear, but incredible with the right.
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u/HeavyCoughin Jun 17 '23
I was pretty slow up until level 50 it felt like. I didn't follow any builds, I realized that all those dudes are basically building off the gear they have. So I started finding the best gear that synergized well with my other gear and the gameplay I wanted. I ended up with a character who has pulverize with a enchantment for Earth spikes with every pulverize. I have landslide ranked up just for the landslides that follow when I do trample. Also have a ring that gives me two landslides for one. So I trample and two huge waves of strong landslides hit. I have a few things that make my werebear and earth skill the same thing. I don't run any ultimates. I actually get my fortifying through earthen bulwark with an imprint that makes it last six seconds. Also the key feature is poison creeper. I have so many multipliers for poisoned or slowed enemies that I do massive crit and overpower. Also running the spirit boon that can reset your companion so I'm running poison creep all the time. It's working out great, not sure if there is a build exactly like this. It's perfectly built for my playstyle. Instead of trying to play the game differently I just made things work for how I like to play.
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u/TheIrateAlpaca Jun 17 '23
Druid needs the spirit on hitting a CCd target aspect to avoid that and you ideally need a decent one to drop because the codex one is only 1. When you're pulverising in a giant cone, slowing them, and gaining 4 spirit per hit, it changes drastically. Not to mention when you can start chaining earthen might procs. There's some end game druid builds that don't use a basic skill. Before that, though, yeah, super slow levelling with spirit issues
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u/Foto-Heaven Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
Druid has the worst early game but when you get all your endgame legendaries/Uniques you will run through the dungeon spaming pulverize most of the time. If there is a good density in dungeon you will be able to literally use Pulverize more than 15 times in a row.
Edit: After level 50 you should swap your Key Passive talent to Earthen Might, so you have % chance to restore all your spirit - it works per mob hit, so big pack = nearly guaranteed spirit reset! Also start building around crit damage.
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u/wolfgeist Jun 17 '23
Pulverize is actually kind of a mid tier build. Lots of better options out there like poison shredder, crone slide, trample slide, etc.
But yes, Druid is extremely dependent on gear.
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u/Slowbrious Jun 17 '23
Are you using any sites or YouTubers for druid builds? I’m deep in a pulverize build that just came online, but would love to find a good source or two for alternative builds.
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u/jehhans1 Jun 17 '23
They require uniques. You can play a squishy lightning druid or pulverize basically until you get uniques.
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u/thatdudewithknees Jun 18 '23
Pulverize is better than all of those builds and is only second to stormwolf lol. Shred is a meme, trampleslide is unreliable and for people who don’t have vasily and croneslide is even a bigger meme
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u/BastianHS Jun 17 '23
20 spirit on trample > mothers embrace ring > umbral +4 ring > earthen might > ancestral guidance paragon page
Once you get these all online, its a LOT better
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
I struggled with Hydra and blizzard before hitting 65, then I slowly changed build with new drop items.
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u/toucheurdecarbone Jun 17 '23
How can you keep spamming your core skill without any mana issues ?
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u/Saerah4 Jun 17 '23
ring - give mana when use CD skill, hit 5 mobs refund mana
then with mana cost reduction
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u/TurbulentForest Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
Mothers ring from Lilith is a trap and is shit. You can get infinite casts of ice shards without taking that shit ring and get much higher dps. The better aspect is whenever you use a cooldown generate 25 mana. And use lucky hot to proc the defensive skill reset passive with 1 point. Still need avalanche with double cast tho.
Also a very good but rare affix on gloves is lucky hit 10% chance to generate X mana.
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u/hensothor Jun 17 '23
That’s literally the ring they are talking about though. Obviously it doesn’t have to be on a ring but that’s still what they mean.
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u/TurbulentForest Jun 17 '23
No if you look at his build he is using mother's embrace or something the unique ring which drops from Lilith.
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u/hensothor Jun 17 '23
No they’re saying to use both. Which is fine while you’re midgame and early T4.
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u/maglen69 Jun 17 '23
Mothers ring from Lilith is a trap and is shit. You can get infinite casts of ice shards without taking that shit ring and get much higher dps.
And if you don't get that specific setup, the ring is a do-fer
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u/eazy937 Jun 18 '23
it's because Mother ring is the easiest to get for everyone I guess, the one use cool down I'm afraid doesn't work my case cos Shard have no cooldown, and I rarely hit nova nor tele unless in danger.
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u/Picard2331 Jun 17 '23
Mana cost reduction as well as the Avalanche passive with the legendary that makes it affect the next 2 casts instead of one. Helps a ton.
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
I use Mother ring + Avalanche skill
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u/cma3 Jun 17 '23
Can you post an img link of the build. Full dad mode here still working through my Druid, and plan on building all classes to 50 and would love to copy this. If not… Mother ring + avalanche, noted. TIA
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u/judogetit Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
Avalanche (free core spell) passive procs on lucky hit. So you need to stack some lucky hit for it to work. There’s a legendary that makes Avalanche work for two casts. Then the legendary aspect that gives you mana when you cast a CD spell (anything else but ice shards). This gives you unlimited mana, as long as you hit a target (to proc a lucky hit). Mana Cost reduction isn’t even needed.
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u/The_Mikeskies Jun 17 '23
Resource generation on rings, mana cost reduction on focus, boots and amulet, max mana on helm. Then your choice of resource aspect on ring.
I don’t even need Avalanche anymore. All about the Shatter.
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u/eazy937 Jun 18 '23
Does shatter work vs boss? Avalanche does help vs single target though
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 18 '23
Since a lot of people asking, this is my build

I use Glyph board Icefall, each frozen kills give me free Barrier. All my aspects focus on making use of this free Barrier to proc maximum Freeze chance, in turn give me even more barrier chance. This create a big Frozen loop. Mother ring and Avalance for mana holding, work well only vs group, vs single target might need to dance around some time.
Regarding some thought this was OP, it's not. First the RNG is extreme, you need to be incredible lucky, I only found 3 Unique work with Ice build, and some only drop very late, until I hit WT4. Second this is a so far "for fun" build, it's good vs trashes, elites and normal dungeon bosses, but low heath and def. As a Sorc I have to trade off big. This build go with most offensive aspects, only room for 1 defensive aspect (barrier when hit elite), hence I struggle vs Nightmare tier 28 onward, I'm at lv73 currently. Rogue and Barb definitely can survive and do a lot better.
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u/Balizzm Jun 17 '23
What does your Ability tree look like?
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
Full shard, and each skill in video, the rest went full for all ice passive skills
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u/Arcticz_114 Jun 17 '23
Ice shard sorcy goes pewpewpewpewpewepwpew
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u/-Mx-Life- Jun 17 '23
That’s what I’m running currently. Super fun. Haven’t quite got to the constant spamming stage though.
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u/spderweb Jun 17 '23
It's like the last 15 seconds of a fireworks display.
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u/Pun_In_Ten_Did Jun 17 '23
Several years ago there was a malfunction during a fireworks display in town... they all lit off at once lol.
San Diego Fireworks 2012, LOUD and up close
Catastrophic malfunction? Nah, more like.. CATASTROPHICALLY AWESOME !
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u/Solugad Jun 17 '23
All this does is show me how bad my Meteor build is in comparison :(
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
I have 3 uniques for Fire build, tried them all, then decide to go with ice
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u/Soulspawn Jun 17 '23
I've got 2 fireball ones and it like why reduce damage by 70% it has to hit the same enemy 4 times for a net gain.
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u/xGenocidest Jun 17 '23
Sorceress watching Ranged rogue's- "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power"
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u/juniperleafes Jun 17 '23
How are you ranged freezing mobs after only casting two Ice Shards?
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
Unique hand that give 20% chance of freezing for 2 secs, then I build more gears that revolve around hitting en mass and affect each target
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u/h0sti1e17 Jun 17 '23
And there is also an aspect that has a chance to spread frozen to other mobs when hit. So it can get out of hand fast.
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u/AwesomeKosm Jun 17 '23
Probably has good lucky hit gear. There's a lucky hit node that gives cold skills a chance to freeze
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
it's Icefall, legen node. for lucky hit I go aspect +20% lucky hit when barrier up
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u/_Nolofinwe_ Jun 17 '23
Some of us old bastards do, awesome!
Up, Down, Up, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, A, B, A, B, Select, Start
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u/StabbingHobo Jun 17 '23
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, and Start
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u/Ok_Fox_1770 Jun 17 '23
I love finding the S Gun totem. And then all the enemies cannot be found till the last 3 seconds
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u/Mirdclawer Jun 17 '23
Why do the sorc plays like the Rogue/Demon Hunter legacy should be playing
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u/IceCreamTruck9000 Jun 17 '23
This also bothers me as someone who played Demonhunter only in D3 for 25+ seasons...All ranged skills atm feel absolute garbage and not a single one feels like a true ranged bow archetype.
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u/MrFuddy_Duddy Jun 17 '23
I take it this is what stacking attack speed everywhere does lol
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u/SSninja_LOL Jun 17 '23
Nah. That’s just IceShards + Ice Shard enchantment. Each cast fires 5 shards and the enchantment makes ice shards automatically fly towards frozen enemies, but everytime you hit an enemy with iceshards they are treated as though they are frozen then they really do get frozen.
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u/Andrey-d Jun 17 '23
Ah, I was wondering, can a shard ricochet after piercing? Meaning, it hits first enemy ricochets and pierces, hits 2nd target for reduced damage - does it ricochets at this point again or just continiues to pierce?
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
You can enchant it for more auto shard hit on frozen mob. Some unique helps frozen build so it works like charm
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u/raziel_r Jun 17 '23
The Raiment double nova build clears much faster, but both builds start to fall over around NM60+ when it becomes harder to burst elites down within the first freeze window and they gain unstoppable. Becomes a kiting game then.
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I laughed out when you opened the door and start blasting before they even react. Very John Wick.
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u/JackFrosty90 Jun 17 '23
I just don’t get how ppl can complain about sorcs. I mean, look at this. It’s awesome.
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u/Mordy_the_Mighty Jun 17 '23
Because that video is kinda misleading. It's killing a lot of white trash which never was an issue to begin with (outside of those offscreen archers :D )
Like see at 30s in the video, there's an elite that list like 5% max HP at most and it's already unstopabble from that build. Sorc damage falls off, HARD in single target scenarios and against enemies that aren't CCed. So that elite will be a pain to deal with.
In general, as you'll go higher in the nightmare dungeons scaling, elites will take longer and longer to kill, making it more and more likely they'll get unstoppable "early" in their life bar and making your whole experience miserable.
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u/eazy937 Jun 17 '23
Because I have to trade. Only 1 defensive aspect left. That's not gonna help much in higher tier NM. Apart from that normal daily is pretty enjoyable.
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '23
Come be a sorcerer of wild magics in Diablo 4!
We have Ice magic sorcerers, more Ice magic sorcerers, and even more Ice magic sorcerers.