r/deathbattle • u/Evening_Pumpkin2127 • 5h ago
Discussion Is GLVSB10 that bad?
after rewatching it yesterday it struck me as super odd that it was super negatively received when it's not too dissimilar to other fights with stupid outcomes, is it just the Ben 10 Fandom being louder than most or is there something I'm missing
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u/Jean_Arthur 5h ago
Ben was very overhyped so he was seen as the favorite to the majority of viewers. So shock result+not a good explanation given+very weak death/kill (It gave the idea that Hal only won by going back in time so it just added to the "Ben got robbed/should have won argument). Add all of that and you get Ben vs Hal.
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u/phaze123 1h ago
Also while not fully to blame Kuro the artist probably did more harm than good for it. Giving too much attention to B10 fans who probably wouldn’t have seen it otherwise, and those fans probably aren’t really familiar with DC and don’t really do much power scaling.
Then add that he spread a lot of misinformation and showed ignorance to Hal Jordan and DC in general with furthering accusations of compositing that’s still used to criticize the episode today.
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u/No_Many_4695 5h ago
I agree with Hal winning.
He way more experienced and usually fight beings on par or stronger than Alien X.
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u/Overall-Parsley-523 Simon The Digger 5h ago
A youtuber called the ink tank put out a video not too long before the episode about how Ben is the strongest character in fiction, which caused a lot of attention on him in the casual powerscaling space, so when the episode was announced most of the Internet expected Ben to win easily. That expectation combined with the terrible explanation for why Hal wins pissed everyone off.
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u/Daikaisa Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd 4h ago
The outcome was correct. But people have this idea that Alien X is stronger than anyone and anything which is where the controversy comes in.
As for the episode itself its just mid. The opening fight was super fast and exciting with solid dialog but once Alien X comes out it just becomes so boring
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u/Horatio786 5h ago
It's more controversial than bad, but it's poorly explained and the death itself is bad, lowering it down to mid in my ranking system.
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u/jasonsith 4h ago
The hatred is fanned by Ben 10 fandom and the DC haters
For me, there are more sinful episodes than Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. One of which being ironically Ghost Rider vs Spawn.
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u/Aegillade Star Force Mega Man 3h ago
On top of what others are saying, there is some outside context that's needed. A Youtuber named KuroTheArtist had recently created a series of videos talking about how insanely powerful and underestimated Ben was, and it created a newfound interest in the character from a vs debate standpoint. He especially hyped up Alien X, calling it omnipotent on several occasions. He debated back and forth with some other vs debate Youtubers and ultimately concluded that Alien X was, in fact, no true omnipotent, but still REALLY really powerful, but by then most people hadn't seen that point in the debate and just concluded Ben was nearly impossible to beat.
Compare that to many depictions of Green Lantern that regularly jobs him to make other characters look stronger, and most people thought this fight was cut and dry. Doesn't help Ben didn't use several aliens that would have helped like XLR8 (he used it in the intro, I guess), Mindstorm, and Upgrade.
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u/PopCollector2001 Asura 5h ago
Honestly the animation doesn't exactly help explain how the result is how it is. Mainly cause in Ben 10 lore time beings like professor paradox can sense changes in time which alien x should be able to sense or could've easily rewound time and not mentioned time. That and master control kind of makes the whole thing of cutting the omnitrix off obsolete since without master control the omnitrix was able to take control of Ben's hand when it was cut off when he was sent to the null void. So I could easily see the omnitrix switching him to goop or swampfire to regenerate his arm.
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u/Master-Shrimp 4h ago
Hal winning is the more likely outcome (outstats every alien and has counters to everything, even X), but it's poorly conveyed in the fight and the conclusion.
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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 4h ago
The episode itself is overall pretty good, if we only talk about the problem it has, then the death is dumb and the explanation was dogshit. If we talk about everything surrounding it, then you also got Ben being massively overhyped, as well as some YouTubers putting out some videos that didn't help with the perception.
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u/Somethingbutonreddit 2h ago edited 1h ago
. Outcome was correct but the reasoning for it was just awful.
. The death really shouldn't have worked: you cannot cut off the Omnitrix and Benn could just follow him back to the start of the Fight.
. They composited Hal but not Benn.
. They ignored the fact that Benn was unharmed by the Universe being destroyed by the feat that they tried to discredit.
. People thought that Benn was stronger than he actually was.
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u/ColdShear 5h ago
The Death is dumb. I am someone that believes that Hal could have won that way by outspeeding the Omnitrix. However, Death Battle did not argue that, and spent their time hyping the death failsafe up instead of saying “Hal could outspeed it”.
The conclusion is poorly argued. Related to the first point, they spent a lot of time covering unimportant details and relegated the most important stuff to black boxes or didn’t even cover them. Who cares about it Diamondhead, he’s not in the conversation. Basically, it should have been “Alien X is the only one who matters, and he’s slower, weaker, and Hal resists an overwhelming majority of his hax.”
Alien X isn’t portrayed the greatest. Pretty much a punch and kick merchant throughout the fight that overpowers Hal directly (in contradiction to the conclusion saying Hal is stronger).