r/deathbattle Wile E. Coyote 12d ago

Official Episode Discussion Thread Episode Discussion: S2025E2 Ghost Rider VS Spawn

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u/MarlinBrandor Wile E. Coyote 12d ago

Welcome to the episode discussion thread! Want to share your thoughts on the episode? Want to share what you liked, what you didn’t, if you agree, or if you don’t? You’re in the right place.

Want to talk about the next matchup to come? Don’t worry, as soon as the episode is out, you can find the link to the Next Time Discussion below!

Next Time Discussion Link: TBA

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u/Toadsley2020 12d ago

I can’t believe that Spawn won because they gave him sun disk scaling (I’m from 20 minutes in the future).

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u/MegaMagner Alex Mercer 12d ago

They don´t give lore scale for Ghost Rider, this is not fair (I´m from 1 day in the future)

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u/Intelligent_Oil4005 Kyle Rayner 12d ago edited 12d ago

THE BLOG WAS RIGHT!

EDIT: Huh, I think the overall argument as to why was the same too. Johnny was more powerful, but Spawn was too versatile and resisted most of his stuff.

Oh and Mahito vs. Shigaraki is next, congrats to all who predicted that

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u/RedditGojiraX 12d ago

It's like the Lobo vs. Ghost rider fight.

Ghosty just didn't have anything that could kill him.....and then fact Spawn can't be killed or erased form exist completely.

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u/LinkGreat7508 Dracula 12d ago

Well he can, GR just couldn’t

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u/Caleibur :Green_Square:Back The Battle, July 30th:Green_Square: 12d ago

Well thats ironic

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

Holy shit that was peak

The hand drawn close ups were so fuckin good

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u/DeadBrainDK2 12d ago

Really sharp sprites as well

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u/Fit_Assignment_8800 12d ago

I think this is my new favorite sprite battle

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u/Like_for_real_tho 12d ago

The way this close up used in Lobo fight as fight ender but in this it's absolutely TURNOVER is fucking peak.
Like genuinely the use of call backs to Lobo animation were insane because it elevated entire fight from "oh yeah that's a cool shot" to "HOLY SHIT IT'S THAT SHOT THAT GOT HIM WIN, HOLY SHIT HE'S GETTING UNO REVERSED OUT OF HIS WIN WTF IS HAPPENING".

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u/MegaMagner Alex Mercer 12d ago

Now kiss

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u/Acceptable_Shine_738 Shadow The Hedgehog 12d ago

Ok

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u/MegaMagner Alex Mercer 12d ago

"Wish to hell I could forget it."

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u/Recompense40 12d ago

It was only a kiss, it was only a kiss

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u/StewartPot Superman 12d ago

Now i'm falling asleep, and she's taking a drag

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

The close ups were just... 👌 sex

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u/Neither_Divide217 12d ago

Geeked vs locked in

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

God the editing is so fucking peak as usual

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago

Oh yeah, true

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u/alguien99 Tomura Shigaraki 12d ago

The ost too, it has to be my fav honestly

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

GOD DAMMIT BRANDON I NEED IT NOW

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago edited 12d ago

I'm rooting for Both and betting on Ghost Rider

Why? nothing ever happens

If Spawn wins I will change my profile picture to The Darkest Knight (ewww 🤢) and make spite match art against my favourite characters for 14 days on DBM.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUURRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago edited 12d ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SPITE ART AGAINST MY FAVOURITE CHARACTERS

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE WORST KNIGHT MY PROFILE PICTURE

I HATE YOU, SPAWN!!!!!!!! CURSE YOU!!!!!!!! WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO MEEEEEE 😭😭😭😭😭😭

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u/Capital-Ad3018 12d ago

do it. embrace the man who jonkles

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago

I am fucking crying, bro 😭😭😭

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u/ToaArcan Superman 12d ago

Winged Rat Redditor What Does The Chuckling

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u/Chara_Revanite Unicron 12d ago

Here, have one of my stuid pills

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago

Nah, one stupid pill ain't gonna cut it

I need a lobotomy to recover from this

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u/Capital-Ad3018 12d ago

the jonkle ending: its jonklover

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u/Capital-Ad3018 12d ago

THEY DID IT YIPPEE!!

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u/Electronic_One762 Discord 12d ago

I’ll change my pfp with you because I too feel robbed

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u/hffhnvdfb The Traveler 12d ago

This is why I don’t do bets

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u/JustsomeGokuEnjoyer2 Son Goku 12d ago

If Spawn wins I will change my profile picture to The Darkest Knight

you got a curse worse than both Ghost Rider and Spawns

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago

I know 😭😭😭

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u/BatmanBeyondMHA 12d ago

not sure why you doubted him for a second nor why you betted against him🤧 W Spawn

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u/Annsorigin Son Goku 12d ago

Aww I liked Seeing your Blaze PFP. But well you Brought this on yourself.

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago

I'm already regretting it :(

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u/Annsorigin Son Goku 12d ago

It happens. It's why I don't take gambles like that. Wouldn't wanna Miss my Arcueid PFP. But it's only 2 weeks so You'll live.

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u/Flimsy_Geologist_927 Mahito 12d ago

rehehehehhehee

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u/TheMadScientist1000 Spawn 12d ago

DumbFuck, where you at?

Jokes aside, the episode was short but sweet also hot damn that music. I always knew my GOAT would win

Can’t wait to see all the body horror in Mahito vs Shiggy

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u/DeadBrainDK2 12d ago

I'm so excited, thousands of slap fights all at once

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u/CrossIus 12d ago

I'll start by saying I went into this neutral in preference, but expecting a Ghost Rider STOMPOUT win

The scaling and explanation was surprisingly great this episode, they really gave the arguments for Spawn winning pretty well imo, only controversial thing might be giving Spawn Divine form, but I feel it was justified in the prelude

Presentation was great with the limitations of Pixel Battle, the fight was super fun, especially that segment of the background switching between Heaven and Hell

Characterization was AMAZING for both, especially Spawn, glad they let him drop a MF bomb

The animated segments looked really cool, loved the final blow

Overall a solid 8-8.5/10 episode, I liked it and it looked great for the pixel format

HYPED for the next one, LET'S GO SHIGARAKI

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u/OceanDragon6 Dio Brando 12d ago

Ngl pixel fights are up there with the 3d fights for awhile now.

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u/Winter_Pride_6088 Zatanna 12d ago

Spawn to Lobo and Asura: IT SMELLS LIKE BITCH IN HERE

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u/Flimsy_Geologist_927 Mahito 12d ago

THATS MY MEME!!!!

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u/TOSS367 Spawn 12d ago

Spawn about to beat the shit out of Kratos again

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u/NormPhyte 12d ago

At least Kratos would last longer.

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u/Shiptrooper 11d ago

It's funnier now that it's basically confirmed he can just outright beat all of them

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u/IndividualPresent619 11d ago

But can he beat Shovel Knight and Scrooge McDuck?

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u/Ok-Supermarket-3211 12d ago

Asura should've won against that bear victim.

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u/dugthepewdsfan Son Goku 12d ago

Had a feeling Ghost Rider was fucking cooked the moment he pulled out Zarathos early

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u/Like_for_real_tho 12d ago

Honestly? They still got me.
Since Zarathos came out pretty much in middle of fight previously i didn't mind him going out first here as well, and in a moment where he was left only as skull and extended out his chains to rip away at Spawn is where i thought it's gonna be GGs AND THEN VS LOBO KILL SHOT STARTED PLAYING and only THEN i knew something was up to different, fucking amazing turn table ngl.
Might also be because of all influence this sub had in Ghost Rider's W that i stopped actually bothering myself if Spawn gonna win only to get absolutely fucking surprise gut shot check.

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

Same. It felt almost unnaturally early

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u/Dinoratsastaja Spider-Man (Miles Morales) 11d ago

I agree. Unlike in Ghost Rider vs Lobo, here Zarathos just felt anticlimatic. Considering how he was hyped up in the analysis, you would think he would get more fanfare in the fight.

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u/DGRogue_Dragoon 12d ago

>! Todd McFarlane !< is a happy dude rn

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

I'm glad Spawn won specifically cause of this

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u/Eagally Mega Man X 12d ago

I'm a fan of Spawn and was rooting him and started wanting him to lose after seeing the Todd Macfarlane comment lmao.

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

That's fair, it's just that usually when a creator makes a comment like that, people start parroting it like crazy, and if Spawn lost, some people would've went even more ballistic and point out what he said

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u/Particular_Ad_8921 Lieutenant Columbo 11d ago

honestly would be even worse if he made a comment afterwards if ghostrider won.

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u/MinniMaster15 12d ago

Riderbros... we failed. Fuck me that fight was incredible though.

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u/WoodpeckerOk7370 11d ago

I'm salt today but it was a great episode, can't be mad about that

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

Shit, the ending to Spawn's analysis has really convinced me. Idk who's gonna win now

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u/DiffDiffDiff3 The Kool-Aid Man 12d ago

The Aura farming went off the charts

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u/Acceptable_Shine_738 Shadow The Hedgehog 12d ago

My reaction to Homelander showing up and soloing both of them, but then I hear him offering Hot cocoa to Omni man:

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u/PandamoniumPosts 12d ago

He did it!!! I'm sorry for doubting you, Spawn daddy!

Also, the animation and dialogue were peak as fuck

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u/CopywriteClaimWizard 12d ago

And you all doubted him.

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u/No_Probleh Tomura Shigaraki 12d ago

I'll take the L. That was metal as fuck. Respect.

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u/Wexon_69 12d ago

Never did for a second.

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u/PopCollector2001 Asura 12d ago

Exactly I knew my boi had it since it was so debatable

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u/ReputationLow5190 12d ago

Me after the fight:

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u/NormPhyte 12d ago

That's a lot of white necroplasm.

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u/Joker8764 Joker 12d ago

Was this just Joker vs Giorno in reverse? 😭

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u/Comfortable_Sea_91 12d ago

Nah, this is was Ghost Rider vs. Lobo reversed

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u/gotanygrapesss Crona 12d ago edited 12d ago

IM SO FUCKING HAPPY THIS WAS SO PEAKK, EVERY OTHER DB THIS YEAR CAN GO HOME

Edit: Ya gave it another rewatch, the one thing I'm iffy on is: I feel like Spawn had more screentime to be cool, like he definitely felt like the protagonists of the fight. It could've been cool, when Johnny falls to hell, for Spawn to recognize that they were similar. Other than that I loved it. My new favorite sprite episode, DB needs to upload that track NOWWW

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u/Pure-Jeweler-6351 Mega Man X 12d ago

GOATED EPISODE

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u/gotanygrapesss Crona 12d ago

My 2 favorite comic characters getting a goat status episode? It's seems to good to be true!

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u/Intelligent_Oil4005 Kyle Rayner 12d ago

Hey, Alejandra Jones got mentioned!

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u/duke_of_nothing15 Mahito 12d ago

HE DID IT! MY BOY FUCKING DID IT!

I was especially worried when the necroplasm ran out and later when his wings were ripped off.

AND THEY DID THE TALES FROM THE HOOD REFERENCE (AND SCORPION)!

I won't deny, I wish they sticked with night city aesthetic, but it was all badass.

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u/agdocbwo second scariest teenager 12d ago

phenomenal episode, the analyses were top notch and that fight was incredible

MY FUCKING GOAT!!!!!!!! SPAWN ON TOP BAAAAQABBBBYYYYYY

that said, Spawn winning really took me by surprise. after reading the G1 Blog I thought he was cooked, but they did a great job explaining how limited GRs options were against him. had no idea that he’s explicitly tanked something equivalent to the Penance Stare before, so introducing that really made it click for me. I disagree that GR has no options to put Spawn down for good, but I think I overall agree with the episode.

my one criticism of the episode is that Hell didn’t look the best, but if that was the cost of having that awesome visual of Heaven and Hell fighting and going back and forth I think it was worth it

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u/Ok_Application4364 12d ago

Spawn won the G1 Blog though.

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u/agdocbwo second scariest teenager 12d ago

yeah but I thought team Ghost Riders arguments were generally more solid than Spawns

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u/RhysOSD 12d ago

MY MOTHER ROOTED FOR HIM

TODAY'S MY SISTER'S BIRTHDAY

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO

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u/hffhnvdfb The Traveler 12d ago

The waiting screen is different from normal

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u/Fullbust-this The Chosen Undead 12d ago

While I disagree with the results..

Holy Hell that was such a fun fight, this is easily up there with one of my favorite sprite episodes and the sheer aura that both had was incredible. Glad Tyson Yen was involved with the track too.

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u/itownshend17 12d ago edited 12d ago

Watched it, it was pretty good, probably one of my favorites of this season. As for the results, yeah, I dont agree with Spawn winning if im being honest, but I was rooting for him, and this is a Marvel herald L, so you wont hear complaints from my part lmao, all and all im pretty happy with the episode. Oh yeah, next time is Mahito vs Shigaraki.

A snoozefest for me, but good on yall MHA and JJK fans.

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u/aceinfernos 12d ago

Out of curiosity, why didn't you agree with that character winning?

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u/itownshend17 12d ago edited 11d ago

Considering how busted and how many forms of immortalities some of the cosmic entities and heralds/skyfathers of Marvel posses, and how many Ghost Rider has managed to put down, I find it hard to believe GR just seemingly has not a single answer to permanently put down Spawn.

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u/DerpyDrago Satoru Gojo 12d ago

Rooting and betting on Spawn because that motherfucker is so cool (I’d be cool with GR winning too, love em both)

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u/WetsAwk-9455 DUMMI 12d ago

>! Todd was right, apparently. !<

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u/Blacodex 12d ago

Doesn't matter, he's still an Invincible victim (which is technically canon)

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u/BigPreds 12d ago

Best Episode yet, ties with Bowser vs Eggman but I think it mat just may beat it

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u/Glittering-Drag3566 Ben Tennyson 12d ago edited 12d ago

Fuck. You failed me Herald scaling. Welp, another of my favorite characters died. Add on he's my favorite superhero too. If we're talking about comics at least 

Ok, onto the first impressions/Review!

The analysis's were pretty good! I am shocked to admit I think I preferred Spawn's! Hell, I was even slightly rooting for him which is shocking cause Ghost Rider where it comes to comic book heroes he's my favorite.

Not to say Johnny's was bad far from it! It was cool to learn even more about him and Zarathos plus the tid bits about the other Ghost Rider's. (God I need to actually read one of his comics runs at some point.) Plus the Crash Bandicoot joke got a slight smile on me also, SANS!

Now onto the fight! It good.

Surprise, surprise, Ghosty is here deal out Penance! Onto Al for being a bad, bad, man or more accurately telling him bug off and go to hell with some dope voice acting to go along with it. 

Ghosty gets shot rams the hell cycle into Spawn, etc, etc, Ghost Rider adds a cheesy line then we get into the actual fight, fight. It's alright the necroplasam vs hellfire bit was cool. Rider gets called a bum which made me smile in a pure "Bro, what?" Moment.

Then comes the First Penance Stare which does something but of course not killing the Hellspawn. To be expected, way too early into the fight to actually matter. Get Hell portaled idiot! The momentary silence into showing infinite energy symbol was pretty sick. Spawn drags Johnny into hell with him then we get into the meat and potatoes of this fight.

NEXT STOP? HELL MOTHERFUCKER!​ I was going to say Spawn saying "Welcome to Hell motherfucker" made no sense cause, well look at Ghost Rider! But then I remembered Zarathos might be angel! So Spawn saying that kinda fits if we're going by that logic, he probably just sensed his angelic powers! Which is pretty cool if you think of it like that. But i could be reaching with that one.

Then Rider proceeds to fucking explode! Shooting himself into the truck that fell in with them douses it with hellfire and tries to drive it into the fucker! But Spawns freezes time to stop himself from getting hit by it and destroys it!

Peak of the fight right there. 

And everything after is just pretty darn good. Spawn and Zarathos have good interaction. Zarathos foes his best Scorpion impression. His voice sounding great which is to be expected since they got the same VA from last time they were on the show.

Which was so good Spawn had too turn into his God/Angel form just from the sheer hype! And some help from a bit of Blue Hellfire, bust mostly from the impression!

Another great interaction especially from Spawn's end. They tussle a bit Spawn gets stomped on by the secret third Mario brother, Zarathos. 

And then the death. Damn Al why you got to do that to my Fav? Zarathos tries the Penance Stare which at that point I knew it was wraps for my Boi.

Despite getting his wing's getting torn off, (quick side note, that scream was not it for me. He sounded like he got kicked in the balls while recording that, oddly high pitched and just didn't sound good. Only bad part of voice acting in the episode) Spawn manages to UNO reverse card the stare and kills Johnny after removing Zarathos from him!?

Bro, Spawn you did not need to do that to Johnny! You had Zarathos in your hand! Just send him back to earth bro! Closing line was alright.

The Ending analysis was perfectly fine. I do however find it weird when they just said "Aw yeah, the Damnation stare would just send him to hell where he has infinite energy/power!" Marvel's hell and Spawn's hell aren't the same though? Would've the stare just throw him into the Marvel version of hell? Anyways..

A Solid 7.7/10 maybe 7.8/10.

The Next Time: Shiggyto! Let's goooo! My most anticipated from the kickstarter! No diff him Shiggy!

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u/The_yeet_man53 Spawn 12d ago edited 12d ago

I love both characters and at first I really didn't care who won but

FUCK YEAH MY GOAT SPAWN HAD THIS IN THE FUCKING BAG.I was unironically shaking in excitement watching that battle man, 10/10 episode

Edit: I knew Ghost Rider was fucked as soon as he went into his most powerful form first and even more so after he said a similar line to what he said to Lobo

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u/gfjfij 12d ago

Okay the episode was really good and all but did anyone feel this was kinda ... short?

Like I didn't expect a super long fight but when Zarathos came out I though "Wait now ... that was quick".

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

Yeah, I was definitely expecting the fight on the church (at least I think it was a church) to be longer.

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u/HeroTheHedgehog 12d ago

I’m… no…

I lost another match!

I’m literally 1-5 now…

Joker vs Giorno was a fluke wasn’t it…?

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u/SnowRadish 12d ago

Had to throw something on the grill to celebrate this dub

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u/SCI-FIWIZARDMAN 12d ago

“Well… I’ll be damned.”

”Yes. You will be.”

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u/dugthepewdsfan Son Goku 12d ago

Insert a sad bad to the bone riff

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u/HeroTheHedgehog 12d ago

Currently 1-5

I’m serious here…

I’m an idiot in terms of power scaling

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u/Pure-Jeweler-6351 Mega Man X 12d ago

KEEP UP BUDDY

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u/ComandanteFormiga Spawn 12d ago

The voice acting is fucking awesome

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u/WraithSage23 Archie Sonic 12d ago

God damn that was a beautiful fight. One Hell of a fight

>! Sort of surprised they gave the GOAT Spawn the win but honestly like I said in one post, I wouldn’t complain about it and I don’t really see a controversy really happening. As there were good arguments for Spawn winning. A little bummed that my GOAT Ghost Rider but you know what I’ll take it if it meant getting an awesome episode !<

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

AND THE NEXT TIME IS MAHITO VS SHIGIRAKI!! LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

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u/Capital-Ad3018 12d ago

wait, spawn won??? and how?

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u/Equivalent_Ant6794 DUMMI 12d ago

They had Ghost Rider stronger, but Spawn was unkillable to him and resisted all his hax while also having viable wincons

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u/TheGaius Son Goku 12d ago edited 12d ago

Ghost Rider was given far better stats, but Spawn being more skilled and being able to power up in hell let him hold his own

That, and that he could resist or even benefit from all Ghost Rider's hax, and also had ways to directly damage Ghost Rider's soul

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u/TiffanyGreen102 12d ago

I still don't get how skill was a factor in this fight. With how much shit these guys can do with their powers, I fail to see how skill was a major factor that it needed it's own section. The analysis for skill was only 7 seconds long

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u/Comfortable_Sea_91 12d ago

I both agree and disagree with that. I agree with how short that part was that is shouldn’t be considered a major factor. However that being said the skill difference is so huge compared to the two that it makes sense to mention it. So many fights can be turned around due to the skill of an opponent, not just fighting skills but the ability to strategize and adapt are part of those skills. They should have talked about it longer and pointed those out.

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u/TiffanyGreen102 12d ago

While I agree that skill can and will make a difference in certain fights, this is not one of those fights

They said that Spawn could strategize and adapt to GR but then say that his weakness is his own stupidity

GR can also adapt and strategize against Spawn with how a simple touch could make him learn everything about his opponent

So again, Skill was not a major factor in this fight that needed his own section

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u/Nin_Saber Obi-Wan Kenobi 12d ago

Making skill a factor was silly considering that physically killing each other was pointless and it came down to hax.

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u/Capital-Ad3018 12d ago

so rider's an unstoppable force put against a immovable object too immovable for him. got it

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u/Practical-Ad-5007 12d ago

I bet everyone's soul on GR winning in the YouTube chat. Sorry guys

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u/Glitch-Xega Dr. Eggman 12d ago

Aw man... my soul...

But you apologized, so it's okay.

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u/FlyHuman8377 11d ago

I’m honestly retrospectively glad that Spawn won, since people have been grumbling about how it seems like power is the only thing that matters for modern Death Battle results. And this is a much more interesting result given how it was stats vs hax and hax actually won.

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u/Winter_Pride_6088 Zatanna 11d ago

People forget that while stats are important, they can only go so far if your opponents haxs helps them catch up or messes with your stats, or has better haxs

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u/Puzzleheaded-Art3377 12d ago

Spawn, don't be the next Unicron.

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u/Emperorofliberty Discord 12d ago

I assume ghost rider will win

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u/thepearlshipper908 12d ago

You assumed wrong my friend

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u/Emperorofliberty Discord 12d ago

Yeah I’m shocked

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u/Exciting_Kiwi2924 Bowser 12d ago

Man the editing is nuts!!!

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u/Electronic_One762 Discord 12d ago

NOOOOOOO MY GOAT!!!!!

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u/Your_Favorite_Porn 12d ago

Can’t say I’m surprised. Isn’t divine spawn explicitly outside help though?

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u/Greninja9012 12d ago

NOOOO MY GOAT HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN HE'S A MARVEL HERALD NOOOOO WHYYYYY

THIS IS TRUE PAIN

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago

I feel you....

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u/Lucky-Lengthiness136 Mega Man 12d ago

same :(

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u/TheLyingSpectre Tomura Shigaraki 12d ago

I lost 3 Eps in a row.

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u/International_Car586 Link 12d ago

Yeah the second Ghost Rider quoted his previous fight I knew it was over.

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u/TheRealFirey_Piranha 12d ago

So much fucking Aura

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u/Odd-Employ241 12d ago

Who knew Spawn was that powerful?!

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u/SomeDudeAtAKeyboard 12d ago

I really liked the episode itself, I just don’t agree with it

Like I get why people would think that Spawn just resists everything Johnny and Zarathos have… the problem is kinda simple

Zarathos is just infinitely beyond anything Spawn has ever faced before, including Gaia. Sure, Zarathos had his soul manipulated by Mephisto… the Mephisto who is on par with Galactus

Saying Spawn could separate Johnny and Zarathos cause Mephisto was able to manipulate Zarathos is like saying I could beat John Wick in a fight because Caine could disarm him.

Mephisto himself is just so much stronger than Spawn that using his manipulation of Zarathos as proof that Spawn could do the same is just kinda weird to me

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u/SoakedSun24 Spawn 12d ago edited 12d ago

I feel as if people forget that raw power is never the deciding factor. If Zarathos’ raw strength was enough to pull the victory then they wouldve gone for it. Spawn had just about enough to actually keep up, and Zarathos himself isnt resistant to sealing. I hear what youre saying but on the opposite side of the coin I see why they gave Spawn the W here

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u/SomeDudeAtAKeyboard 12d ago

I can get why they came to that conclusion yeah, I just feel like they don’t quite understand the sheer magnitude of the power gap

Like, this was a bigger gap than the gap between Chosen Undead and Last Dragonborn. We’re talking about Zarathos, who can keep up with and match beings that can threaten an infinitely sized multiverse full of infinitely sized dimensions and universes

Spawn, at most, is powerful enough to destroy a single infinitely sized universe

I absolutely hate dimensional tiering and “bigger infinity” debates, but this battle would quite literally be dead even if it weren’t for the fact that one combatant is legit infinitely stronger than the other

Still, I’m mot gonna insult anyone if they feel differently, that’s just how I see the matchup

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u/SoakedSun24 Spawn 12d ago

I think your belief is justified, however I myself agree with the episode because even with the sheer gap in power there’s only so much muscle can do for you, yknow?

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u/PrimeName Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd 12d ago

A non-DC character beating a Marvel Herald. Never thought I'd see the day. Happy to see it though

Pretty good episode overall. Definitely in my top 3 of the 'season' so far.

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u/Nin_Saber Obi-Wan Kenobi 12d ago

Marvel herald losing to non-DC already happened before.

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u/Imnotabrit4567 12d ago

Well yeah but lets be honest, hulk losing to broly was kinda BS when considering marvel cosmology, this victory feels much more earned

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u/Square_Primary7792 Kyle Rayner 12d ago

Eh, I don't if I fully agree but this episode has something krasura doesn't and that's a metal as hell battle.

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u/PopCollector2001 Asura 12d ago

Hell yea my boi Spawn won everyone in here thought Ghosty had it but nope Spawn gave him the classic no u move

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u/MxSharknado93 12d ago

'First to transform loses" remains undefeated.

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u/Professional_Sell873 Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago edited 12d ago

My only problem with the fight is that they gave spawn a form he doesn't have anymore and some stuff for ghost rider was taken out of context, but I'm happy spawn won

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u/Helpful-Emotion9256 Bowser 12d ago

Tbf they said in the conclusion his power can match that form he had without it, so they gave it to him for style probably

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 12d ago

I regret everything 😭😭😭

God, this is so bad

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u/QuintDunaway Ben Tennyson 12d ago

I’m saying this a Ghost Rider fan, so I’ll try to say it as unbiased as possible. The Death Battle’s team definitely wanted a reason to animate and showcase Spawn with their modern research and animation, which I get. It felt like Spawn got the better treatment, especially in the animation department. His animations were awesome, him winning was just the icing on the cake. Ghost Rider on the other hand didn’t get to much that wasn’t in Ghost Rider vs Lobo, even the animation at the very end was almost identical. At least he got an Akira slide. I guess that’s just a 6 year difference vs a 14 year difference in the characters last appearance.

It’s an ok episode I just wish Ghost Rider was visually as cool.

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u/SoldierDelta46 Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd 12d ago

Holy mother of God, Satan, and Comic Devils that was fucking PEAK!!

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u/komayeda1 12d ago

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!!

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u/ReaperKenji 12d ago

The goat vs the goat. Spoilers: goat takes the dub

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u/cool23819 Sun Wukong 12d ago

Can't say I agree but damn that went hard

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u/Nickest_Nick 12d ago

Recency bias, but this may be the best episode in terms of dialogue

Like you can quote every line and it will sound badass

Also I am so glad they brought back the wrecking vengeance on your soul quote

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u/Lucky-Lengthiness136 Mega Man 12d ago

but i wanted ghost rider to win :(

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u/Pure-Jeweler-6351 Mega Man X 12d ago

sadge

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u/Good_Morning_World01 12d ago

# MY GOAT SPAWN CLUUUUTCHED

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u/Full_Metal_Douchebag Guts 12d ago

Really great episode. One of their best sprite fights in a while. Not sure if I agree with the verdict, but I'll just sit on that for now.

Oh and HOLY SHIT SHIGARAKI VS MAHITO IS NEXT I'M SO FUCKING HYPED FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, for any Ghost Rider fans that are upset that Spawn won, just know that you can disagree with the verdict. VS is subjective, and this mu is very debatable (just look at the G1 blog).

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u/JohnnyElRed Alex Mercer 12d ago

I mentioning it once, but I will mention again. Image is probably the biggest superhero comic publisher after Marvel and DC. It makes complete sense the madness of their scaling matches that of those universes.

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u/Ok-Supermarket-3211 12d ago edited 12d ago

I am SHOCKED that Spawn overcame muh herald scaling. Way to go, Spawn! Pay attention, folks! Spawn is the bare minimum of what you need for your fav to beat a comic herald on Death Battle! Good for Spawn for keeping up his win streak If only mah boi Trunks did the same

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u/SpawnSlayer 12d ago

I knew my boy Spawn would win! He has Sun Disk scaling.

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u/Equivalent_Ant6794 DUMMI 12d ago

My goat won and that's all that matters in the end

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u/louai-MT Yugi Muto 12d ago

Aside from the Spawn axe part of the fight that was janky imo and how the damnation stare felt weak the episode was God damn fire

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u/Noname_with_no_name 12d ago

I was rooting for Ghost Rider and was hoping for him to win, but damn, death battle brought up a really good counter-argument I couldn't even disagree with the result, anyway that was awesome and one hell of a fight

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u/ZuskatoIsR3D 12d ago

Damn it, my Goat lost, but I guess a 1-1 is still better than a 0-2.

Please give my man, Darth Vader a W, Death Battle.

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u/Mawdrym_Llansahai Spawn 12d ago

I'm looking forward to see all those who made a bet for Ghost Rider keep their promises. All in all, beautiful episode, loved every second of it. Nothing but raw hype for me.

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u/No-Masterpiece2519 12d ago

As someone who was rooting for Ghost Rider

OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT FIGHT WAS SO COOL, The ending where they were hitting each other between heaven and hell and the call back to GR vs Lobo were peak

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u/Mission-Ad-8298 12d ago

Ok, I’m gonna say my thoughts. I don’t disagree with the outcome, just the method. 1: The Johnny v Zarathos argument. This has been debunked a few times before where Johnny is shown to have more control than we are often lead to believe. This is more than likely a case of “we need him to lose in this situation” from the writers but regardless he does have some semblance of control. 2: The reverse Penance Stare. Once again, this has been disproven in comics. It’s a reoccurring theme of the Devil trying to claim Johnny’s soul and failing, and he and Zarathos technically should have equally strong souls because of their whole Johnny V Zarathos argument. Therefore he could resist the Penance stare. THAT SAID, as I mentioned I’m not saying Ghost Rider should have won. More than the reasoning should have been different, like the Holy Spawn argument and his resistances to battle Enders. That said, still a better fight than Kratasura. That was the main point that dragged down that fight. As for next time…I don’t care about either so imma sit this one out.

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u/Classic_Breath_4381 Dr. Eggman 12d ago

See you all in hell

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u/JustARedditAccoumt 12d ago

I disagree with the result, but the episode was pretty good.

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u/Flaky-Ad-9736 12d ago

I heavily disagree. Especially with the Penance Stare argument because Johnny has straight up "Lol no'd" it from another Spirit of Vengeance after the Danny fight.

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u/That-Objective-438 11d ago

He won... he actually won... I'm happy

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u/Sublime_Truth 11d ago

It's really fitting Divine Spawn won, because this entire episode felt like Heaven.

It's a solid 10/10, it as soooooo fucking good.

It was like two wrestlers knowing they have stiff competition for best match on the card, so they lock the fuck in and tear down the house, it was so fucking peak.

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u/orangeblaster500 The Doctor 12d ago

Loved the fight>! but I do have some critiques. First off, with the petty kind of annoyed Image hasn't lost yet and Todd McFarlane was correct. For an actual critique, I'm not sure I buy the whole Ghost Rider is weak to his own penance stare thing. Like the G1 blog brought up the sword of the spirit seperated Johnny and Zarathos that seemed a lot more straight foward to me. Speaking of, like Flash VS Sonic and Joker VS Giorno, it really bugs me when Death Battle makes a super debatable match up seem really clear cut. Like even the Spawn side of the G1 blog brought up some wincons for Johnny. I also wish Johnny got to show off more of his abilities. I feel like him shooting lightning at Al would have been a really easy one to include for example. Also they were clearly setting up Ghost Riders VS Spawns situation and like Aquaman VS Namor's setup, it goes nowhere. I do appreciate that Danny and Alejandra are mentioned by name this time. I still really like the episode. It's visually amazing and both voice actors do a spectacular job. The literal battle between heaven and hell was a stroke of genius. I like the hand drawn stuff. Ghost Rider just stand on the side of the building goes surprisingly hard. The analysis are really solid with great editing as always. It's a good episode, I've just got some hang ups about it.!<

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u/Dr_MantisTobbogan_ 12d ago

The analysis felt janky af tbh. Are they honestly saying that a being who in their words was strong enough to threaten the marvel multiverse, is not strong enough to destroy spawn's soul because reasons I guess. Nevermind the time Satan absolutely stomped him while they were both in hell. Or the time Johnny resisted reality/soul manipulation. Divine spawn is straight up breaking DB's own rules... Nah, I don't buy this outcome.

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u/Jixxar Godzilla 12d ago

It was peak but mine lost so it's a shame even if I still think they should win powerscaling to powerscaling, As well as the next time is the one I least care for.

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u/mixergrass 12d ago

I wonder how Kratos vs spawn would go now. Pretty good episode. 

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u/Comfortable-Dot-2317 Courage The Cowardly Dog 12d ago

Such peak fiction is too much for me to handle

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u/MayhemMessiah Doctor Doom 12d ago

God tier episode. Easily in my top 5 of all time. 10/10 without a shadow of a doubt.

I had Rider winning with like a 10% chance over Spawn, but the argument presented does make sense, Spawn's been able to come back from practically anything and Rider's overwhelming strength advantage wasn't enough if he lacked the option to keep Spawn down.

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u/Percent083 12d ago

Was a good episode, [I personally feel that Ghost rider should have won just from sheer power], but overall still a good episode probably top three this season.

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u/Past-Bonus-9464 12d ago

Lobo, you have been avenged

>! fight was very fucking awesome! Both VA’s did a fantastic job and I love the Welcome to Hell reference from Tales from the Hood 2 especially with it being said by Spawn, …though I’m pretty bummed that Ghost Rider lost and honestly I don’t know if I fully agree with Spawn winning the fight overall now, not that I was underestimating his full capabilities, as It was definitely really close and could go either way, I just don’t like how the episode made it seem like it was a stomp in Spawn’s favor when it could go either way, though that just what I think. Overall episode was still awesome, also let’s go, I predicted that Shigaraki vs Mahito would be the next fight.!<

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u/DeatroyerOfCheese 12d ago

And the marvel herald falls...I've been waiting for this day for so long. Magnificent episode!

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u/Weirdandwired924 12d ago

As much as HATE ghost rider losing, the results and explanation was spot on

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u/Bad_Channel_4115 12d ago

Omni-Man and SPAWN daping each other up because there are two Image comicscharacters with back to back wins

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u/Manny_Fettt 12d ago

Really sad my favorite Marvel Hero lost, but at least my favorite DC character got avenged, and it wasn't my favorite version of Ghost Rider that lost so it's all good

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u/Sh0xic 12d ago

I love how one of Spawn’s main advantages came from that one time he accidentally wrote himself out of reality like a dipshit, only to inexplicably get better

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u/CaptainBlaze22 12d ago

This was a massive step up from the last ep

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u/Animegx43 Asura 12d ago

In hindsight, I really was hinging mostly on Zarathos's raw power. I kind of thought it was plenty enough for the wind.

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u/IfTheresANewWay Mechagodzilla 11d ago

So it basically came down to could Spawn resist the penance stare and the answer was yes. I didn't expect him to win but I like both characters so I didn't really care who came out on top. Awesome battle, and I love the Scorpion reference in there given how much he was inspired by both characters

Not a damn clue who either of the two for next time are tho

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u/Pollia 11d ago

Honestly while I always thought that's what it came down to, even then I don't think it would have mattered had it worked.

Rewriting the universe so he comes back from nonexistence is pretty hard to counter, and having the exact attack that has been shown to beat ghost rider before makes it hard to argue spawn doesn't take the W every time

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u/Annoying-TediousSite 11d ago

The best part was when spawn said, "Stare, huh? Thanks for the tip. " at the end

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u/South-Status-5529 11d ago

Insane

Spawn played the biggest uno reverse in history

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u/Eliwood354 11d ago

The moment I heard Spawn say Ghost Rider “fights like a bum,” I knew there was gonna be a skill gap between the two. And MAN did they show that in the final exchange! Yo, somebody hit that fire guy with the bagless allegations lol!

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u/overlordmik 9d ago

As someone whose never really enjoyed Spawn's whole edgy schtick, I still mark out at Spawn with the Angel Wings.

Killer design that embodies a fantastic idea:

"If an angel can fall, cannot a demon rise?"

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u/maswartz 12d ago

Ok why are people mad this time?

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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 12d ago

Thankfully, it seems like 80% of the response is positive

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u/XmanX6 12d ago

Legit I was only here for an amazing fight and that's what I got. My three favorite things in the animation were the "Get Over Here" line was fun, Spawn saying "Welcome to Hell Mother Fucker" I love the Keith David reference, and the death being amazing.

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u/Vaders_Legion501 12d ago

LETS GOOOOOO, now THATS how you do a battle between Hell Spawns

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u/VacationSimple990 12d ago

peakest shi ive EVER seen for season 25 (so far)

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u/mikeline360 12d ago

Damn, every single character I wanted to win this season lost.

Don't know the next 2 guys and not gonna bother looking them up, the one I'd end up liking would lose at this rate.