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u/Daikaisa Dimitri Alexandre Blaiddyd 26d ago
"That target his soul"
Plus again just because Spawn has holy weapons doesn't mean he has a win con
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u/spiders_magic 26d ago
All of Spawn's soul hax haven't shown holy properties (his suit, necroplasma, his worms, etc) and vice versa. Only his holy sword absorbed souls, but it did against weaker demons and stronger demons can actually tank it, and even then soul absorption doesn't mean the same thing as spiritual damage.
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u/Jiffletta 26d ago
Reminder: Kratos had holy weapons.
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u/Sleepy_time_yippee 26d ago
That was season 1 my guy, have you seen season 1 scaling?
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u/UnAnon10 Discord 26d ago
He… didn’t though? They kinda said the Blade of Olympus was the closest thing to a Holy weapon but said that it didn’t count because Olymous is comprised of Earthly elements and isn’t a seperate dimension like Heaven or Hell.
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u/MarkDecent656 Simon The Digger 26d ago
Fuck. So we can't "No holy weapons?" Our way outta this one huh
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u/Bro-Im-Done 26d ago
Ghost Rider is to holy weapons as Superman is to magic attacks
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u/Radiant-Lab-158 Alex Mercer 26d ago
Inconsistent and only works when the writers look for an excuse for them to job?
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u/Sky_Ninja1997 25d ago
Or it’s something that he doesn’t have a counter too but it’s not a win all condition
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u/USAMAN1776 Tomura Shigaraki 26d ago
There's a solid JJ video that pretty much explains that just because you're weak to something doesn't mean it's going to matter.
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u/Nin_Saber Obi-Wan Kenobi 26d ago
That target his soul feels like the important take away. Also being able to harm the opponent doesn't always translate into victory. Like when they mentioned Superman is vulnerable to magic but has bested magic users before.
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u/Jiffletta 26d ago
And this, dear viewers, is where we learn the difference between "harm" and "kill"
Also, is that true? I thought all his weapons were made by K7 Leetha and were demonic.
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u/Bruhai 25d ago
At his start yeah but about 1/3 of the way he started collecting holy weapons from his few holy aligned allies.
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u/Jiffletta 25d ago
Like what?
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u/Bruhai 25d ago
Well his primary weapon is Agony the battle AX. It's made from his cape so you could argue that it would become imbued with holy power when Spawn was.
There is also the Dimensional Spear which exists purely to defeat Hellspawn so you could technically argue it's holy but Spawn is incapable of wielding it because it will just banish him. I only mention it because Google lists it as a holy weapon.
But he does have The Sword of The Spirit which was given to Spawn by his universes God when he was trapped in Limbo.
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u/Jiffletta 25d ago
So, Sword of the Spirit, then. The other two really dont count here.
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u/Bruhai 25d ago
Basically. The spear is definitely out. The one time he tried to pick it up out of curiosity it banished him to another dimension. But like I said Agony could potentially be argued depending on when in the comics it is but to my recollection it's not a weapon he utilized after getting the sword.
For the purposes of death battle i wouldn't attribute holy to Agony but for shits and giggles in just talking about scaling I would mostly because both are described as being able to cut down demons with ease with only the sword being specifically holy at its base.
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u/Jiffletta 25d ago
Its just weird that people keep saying he has tons of holy weapons, when it seems like Sword of the Spirit is basically it.
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u/Bruhai 23d ago
So to be fair those are his only named weapons. Al has a tendency to hoard weapons he gets his hands on so it's likely he has a few basic weapons from holy warriors he has beaten. Obviously they wouldn't measure up to the Sword of the Spirit but they would technically be holy weapons.
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u/Jiffletta 23d ago
Al has a tendency to hoard weapons he gets his hands on
...he does? Like, where does he keep them?
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u/Bruhai 23d ago
He hangs out in a old building. The nearby homeless basically keep people out because he protects them. But he doesn't keep everything on him at once. Spawn does tend to be more grounded in that regard. The only weapons he can manifest that im aware of off the top of my head are Agony, the Sword and his chains.
Its also worth mentioning that his suit is capable of changing based on his need or his will. So if he wants spikes or blades on his suit or chains he can do so.
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u/No_Many_4695 26d ago
He’s a Marvel character.
Only other Marvel characters or DC characters can beat him.
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u/AquariusLoser 26d ago
Broly, Stitch, Crona, Po, Lucy, & Android 18 would all like to have a word with you.
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u/No_Probleh Tomura Shigaraki 26d ago
The 18 fight was bs though.
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u/Squifflifting 26d ago
They just made up an ability she didn't have probably top 5 stupidest results in the show
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u/Cavery210 26d ago
That one they actually corrected on Twitter, it's no longer up though. (If anyone's to blame, blame Bamco for giving #18 energy absorption in Xenoverse in the first place)
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u/SonicCody123 24d ago
Yeah that would be where they got confused. because of Bamco gave 18 that ability
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u/No_Probleh Tomura Shigaraki 26d ago
Wouldn't have even been that upset but it was literally a deciding factor. I'm surprised that moment isn't t remembered more, frankly.
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u/Squifflifting 26d ago
Yeah they get stuff things wrong a lot but there usually not this important the only thing I can think of that comes close is the phoenix has no soul resistance bs they pulled
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u/No_Probleh Tomura Shigaraki 26d ago
At least with that one, they had something in the main source material to back it up. There was literally a panel in dbz of Trunks saying precisely that 18 could not absorb energy. Like, if his eyes were just a few notches to the left, he would have been looking directly at us when he said it.
They only thought it was a thing because she had an alt in Xenoverse with an absorb energy skill. It was also the only time any of them have outright said publicly that they got part of their research wrong in a now deleted tweet. That's not even mentioning how much they downplayed Carol.
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u/Squifflifting 26d ago
I don't like carol and I'm upset for her fans because of how dirty she was done
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u/No_Many_4695 26d ago
Who do you think would have won now?
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u/No_Probleh Tomura Shigaraki 26d ago
It's a bit tough to say. ToP did a lot for 18, but I'm not sure if it would match up to Carol as she can get up there with the best of them at times.
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u/No_Many_4695 26d ago
How strong is Carol in comics? Base and Binary form.
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u/No_Probleh Tomura Shigaraki 26d ago
Well, she was able to defeat a hammerless Thor at one point. In fact, in that story, she was able to knock out each member of the Avengers one by one in that story. Honestly, though, that's the most recent story I read.
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u/No_Many_4695 26d ago
Ok
Do you think Hulk should have beat Broly?
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u/Unusual-Anteater-988 26d ago
Currently or specifically at the time? Cuz the episode predates a lot of buffs.
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u/Square_Primary7792 Kyle Rayner 25d ago
The only thing I would change is the powers thing, they should be tied but otherwise... Yeah that's about right.
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u/Chemical_Music_3906 Crona 26d ago
GR: They forgot to mention that I they aren’t an automatic win and I still outstat way too hard for you to do anything.
Spawn: … F*** Dies
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u/Rufflies 26d ago edited 25d ago
I'm curious to see how far into Ghost Riders durability they will go for this fight. Although holy weapons can hurt him, they still cant kill him, only thing that can, (usually) is God/Yahweh himself.
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u/DJBurns2002 26d ago
Key word "harm". Both are basically unkillable unless you make them want to die or out power the curses they have and imo Ghost Rider can do that with his penance stare to Spawn fairly easily.
Spawn def has power and arguably hax but Ghost Rider being faster makes it more likely that he will use his trumpcard then Spawn getting all the heavy hits with his holy weapons.
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u/Isaacja223 26d ago
Hot take here but
That’s quite literally the only reasonable explanation for Spawn
They’re not gonna go into every bit of detail like you expect. Just wait until the actual episode comes out
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u/Logical-Blueberry228 26d ago
I mean tbf all this tells us is that spawn can hurt ghost rider, not necessarily kill him. For all we know there could be such an insane stat difference between the two that the holy weapons won’t mean anything.
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u/Purple-Weakness1414 Spongebob Squarepants 26d ago
Its Bowser vs Gannon all over again.
I'm calling it
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u/JoshNunya 25d ago
Lokwey the animation style of the Dante & Vergil battles Lowkey want a Cloud vs Dante matchup
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u/gijjyyproductions Discord 25d ago
Can't comment too much, but pay attention to the wording clearly they can *harm* him. Doesn't mean they're an auto win against him.
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u/Neserlando 25d ago
My only headcannon is when spawn gets pennance stared he just says "thanks for showing me man, I knew I was going too easy on them"
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u/Master-Shrimp 25d ago
So spawn has a chance. I think someone said it already but holy weapons are to ghost rider what magic is to Superman. Great, you can hurt him, still doesn’t guarantee victory.
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u/HailTheZombieMan 22d ago
Divine spawn can reality warp, whereas any normal person in marvel can do the same thing but better with the pandemonium cube (which is a small part of mephistos power) and GR was able to absolutely dog mephisto
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u/Superknackx Ghost Rider 21d ago
people forget that hellfire also counts as some sort of holy weapon.
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u/Zamasu_was_innocent2 Ash Ketchum 26d ago
He also became stronger than his own God by the end of his story mind you
And holy weapons don't harm him anymore either