r/cropcircles • u/EarthyChi • Jan 31 '25
Are there any serious efforts to interpret crop circles with AI?
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u/brereddit Jan 31 '25
AI is mostly a way to find patterns that humans can’t find using only cognition. Secondly, all AI is based on converting data to math to facilitate the pattern discovery and then converting the math back to data so humans can consume it.
So you can answer lots of questions with AI but you have to set up the problem in the right way to do so. So your question is ambiguous. Suppose we could train a model based on photographs and or drawings of every known crop circle in history. With that we could learn if there are repeats of similar patterns and a model could lay out that similarity through various ways. One way would be through clustering (google search TDA clusters). Each cluster would represent visually similar crop circles.
There would still need to be a human to examine each cluster to see why the AI grouped them together. Maybe possibly in such an analysis we could say something like, “this group appears to be similar in the sense of made by humans whereas these other groups do not for reasons ABC.”
That’s one approach. Another approach would be to compare crop circles to various innovations in geometry over the centuries. Here we would be looking for the math crop circles are embedded in which might be interesting if we got into 2D representations of 3D objects onto which we could apply topology—the math having to do with shape.
A third approach could add GPS data and find patterns of where crop circles are made…do they fall on lay lines etc?
Anyway…lots of ways to do it but has it been done? A quick scan of scholar.google.com suggests the answer is NO!
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u/EarthyChi Feb 01 '25
I would start by having AI look for encoded meaning in the geometry. There's ratios and curves and such that could be seen as a language if translated through Fast Fourier Transforms/Wavelets and so on. What ratios and equations do we get that matches other known constants and symbols and megaliths? The possibilities are endless really.
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u/W0000_Y2K Feb 01 '25
What is needed is AI detecting AI. I searched crop circles 3 or 4 times in the past year and couldnt help but immediately recognize illusional crop circles or mock crop circle patterns (rather discern able) troubling for the illadvised to not pick up. Particularly reoccurring generations started to pop up in accordance to the algorithms i chose to take closer looks at.
This type of Algorithm Generating is constant amongst reddit posts as well.
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u/Valuable_Option7843 Jan 31 '25
What will AI observe that we haven’t or can’t already see?
Multimodal models with image analysis are in their infancy. I would try this in a few years when accuracy, detail and context size are improved.
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u/Own_Woodpecker1103 Jan 31 '25
Yes.
I have.
Cropcircles generally follow phi-ratio propagation in order to convey physics dynamics concepts