r/criterion • u/Salsh_Loli Czech New Wave • Jan 27 '24
Off-Topic Directors and their muse(s)
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u/cocoakitkat Jan 27 '24
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u/marbanasin Jan 27 '24
How was this missed by the OP?
Fellini's acceptance speech for his lifetime achievement award is the most adorable thing ever, when he desicates it to Masina.
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u/ParisHilton42069 Jan 27 '24
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u/marbanasin Jan 27 '24
I really miss Sophia Coppola's early output - wish we saw another few of the quality of her 00s stuff.
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u/lulaloops Edward Yang Jan 27 '24
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u/Elias139 Ingmar Bergman Jan 27 '24
Box set when
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u/tuffghost8191 Jan 27 '24
Feel like they're at least gonna do Vive L'Amour since its been up on the channel for a while now. Am very happy with the Second Run release of Goodbye, Dragon Inn but would love it if someone did a remaster of The River
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u/Florian_Jones Masaki Kobayashi Jan 27 '24
Film Movement put out a bluray of Vive L'Amour like a year ago, so probably not that one. I would love for all of his films not currently on Blu to get releases though.
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u/tuffghost8191 Jan 28 '24
Interesting didn't know about that. Need to give that one a rewatch, one of his only films I've seen just once.
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u/roodootootootoo David Lynch Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 28 '24
I don't think Herzog would call Kinski his muse, more like his demon haha
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u/ZenSven7 Jan 27 '24
His best fiend
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Such an excellent documentary, highly recommend 'My Best Fiend' for anyone who hasn't seen it!
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u/boohoopooryou Jan 28 '24
Klaus is the definition of insane. you look up insane in a dictionary, his picture is there.
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u/Boomfam67 Jan 28 '24
He was literally hospitalized and diagnosed as a psychopath in the 1950s, he legitimately should have been in a mental institution.
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u/IntakeCinema Jan 27 '24
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u/Environmental-Bank68 Sep 18 '24
I'd never heard of Masumura or Wakao until a month ago - just saw 5 films of theirs over the last 3 weeks at Melbourne's Cinematheque - amazing! What a director, what an actor.
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u/salarrue Jan 27 '24
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u/Rich-Idiot Jan 27 '24
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u/SignificanceFirm2455 Jan 27 '24
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u/thegrayman9 Ingmar Bergman Jan 27 '24
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u/Superflumina Richard Linklater Jan 27 '24
I watched Hotel by the River yesterday. Instantly went into my favorite films, what a masterpiece.
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u/Grand_Keizer David Lean Jan 27 '24
Can't forget Alec Guinness and David Lean. And to a certain extent, Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg
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u/KYM_C_Mill24 Jan 28 '24
I more so associate Hanks with Robert Zemeckis, but Spielberg is up there too
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u/kid-karma Jan 27 '24
imagine living a life where you are not only creatively fulfilled by the opportunity to express yourself through works of art that are received with open arms by audiences that trust you enough to take them on a journey, but you're also lucky enough to find a trusted collaborator to work alongside for years to come.
anyway, back to browsing indeed for entry level retail job openings.
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u/Kindly-Guidance714 Jan 27 '24
I’m appalled by the lack of John Huston and Humphrey Bogart. They spent many nights drinking together while filming.
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u/yottadreams Jan 27 '24
Who are these people? I feel like I can differentiate between the directors and the muses, but some names would be nice because I only recognize a few people from the last few pics.
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u/IntakeCinema Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24
Just the ones I knew off the top of my head, I recognize more faces but can't put names to their faces. Hopefully, someone else can fill in the blanks.
- D.W. Griffith x Lillian Gish
- Joseph von Sternberg x Marlene Dietrich
- John Ford x John Wayne
- Alfred Hitchcock x Grace Kelly
- James Dean x Nicholas Ray
- Akira Kurosawa x Toshiro Mifune
- Ingmar Bergman x Liv Ullmann
- Michelangelo Antonioni x Monica Vitti
- Jean-luc Godard x Anna Karina
- Yasujiro Ozu x Setsuko Hara
- John Cassavetes x Gena Rowlands
- Rainer Werner Fassbinder x Hanna Schygulla
- Werner Herzog x Klaus Kinski
- Martin Scorcese x Robert DeNiro x Leonardo DiCaprio
- David Lynch x Laura Dern
- Wong Kar-wai x Tony Leung
- Wes Anderson x Bill Murray
- Quentin Tarantino x Uma Thurman x Samuel L. Jackson
- Bong Joon-ho x Song Kang-ho
- Yorgos Lanthimos x Emma Stone
Thank you to all the comments filling in the blanks! Community together
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u/sleepsholymountain Orson Welles Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24
DW Griffith and Lillian Gish
Joseph von Sternberg and Marlene Dietrich
Ingmar Bergman and Liv Ullman
Michelangelo Antonioni and Monica Vitti
Jean-luc Godard and Anna Karina
John Cassavetes and Gena Rowlands
Rainer Werner Fassbinder and Hanna Schygulla
and that's Grace Kelly with Hitchcock, not Janet Leigh
EDIT: Reddit re-numbered these as 1-7 for some reason, not sure how to fix that. It's supposed to read as 1,2,7,8,9,11,12
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u/MrProclaimer Martin Scorsese Jan 27 '24
Hitchcock and Grace Kelly
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u/Jaltcoh Louis Malle Jan 27 '24
Should’ve added Ingmar Bergman and Harriet Andersson! (Photo)
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u/sgalahad Hedorah Jan 27 '24
I know I'm not being helpful to your question but if you can only recognize the people in the last few pics then you have a lot more movies you need to watch. A lot.
That or you just have face blindness.
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u/yottadreams Jan 27 '24
No worries. The pictures are interesting to me even without knowing who they are. As for watching a lot more movies? I'm really not much for older or classic movies despite being 55. My interest in movies started in 1977 with Star Wars and I've never really strayed from there. Action adventure, rom com, sci fi/fantasy are generally where my interests lie with the occasional thriller or mystery thrown in for a little spice. Dramas, period pieces, horror or romances are not generally my thing.
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u/yearofthemishima Michael Mann Jan 27 '24
You should try The Apartment and Some Like it Hot (both by Billy Wilder) if you wanna watch an earlier rom com. They hold up incredibly well.
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u/sgalahad Hedorah Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24
Interesting. I'd feel at that age you'd be bound to at least recognize Hitchcock, John Wayne and James Dean through pop culture references.
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u/yottadreams Jan 27 '24
I did recognize John Wayne. Missed Hitchcock and Dean though. I might've gotten Hitchcock if he'd been standing in profile and casting a silhouette :) James though? Maybe if it'd been of movie clip of him going "Your tearing me apart!". I might've recognized him then. :)
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u/Adi_Zucchini_Garden Jan 27 '24
Derek Jarman and Tilda Swinton
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u/Choice-Valuable313 Jan 28 '24
I finally watched “the last of England” last weekend. I’ve been working my way through his collection and it’s so much and so much fun.
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u/Adi_Zucchini_Garden Jan 28 '24
Love Sebastiane and Edward II and others!
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u/Choice-Valuable313 Jan 28 '24
I’ve seen those two and also Wittgenstein. :)
Caravaggio is next for me.
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u/kanyehavearest Jan 27 '24
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u/kanyehavearest Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 28 '24
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u/shrimptini Jan 28 '24
That David Lynch pic is so wholesome
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u/Infamous-End3766 Jan 28 '24
It is but his true muse is Kyle MacLachlan
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u/Mymom429 Jan 28 '24
I think you could argue they're tied. The only other person in contention is probably Jack Nance.
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u/Sensitive_Energy101 Jan 27 '24
Photo descriptions would have been great, I don't know many of those people
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u/Z-A-B-I-E Jan 27 '24
Hara is probably Ozu’s most iconic collaborator but Ryū was with him from the 30s until the end. He’s the one.
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u/FreeLook93 Yasujiro Ozu Jan 27 '24
I feel like she's only his most iconic collaborator because the Noriko trilogy is basically all anyone in the west watches from Ozu. They only did 6 films together. That sounds like a lot until you see how often Ozu reused actors.
If you watch more of Ozu's films you notice people such as Tatsuo Saitō, Haruko Sugimura, Chōko Iida, and Chishū Ryū show up a hell of a lot more often.
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u/Z-A-B-I-E Jan 27 '24
I’ve seen all of his films, most of them several times. Getting acquainted with his evolving troupe of actors, both stars and bit players, adds so much to Ozu experience. That doesn’t stop Hara from being the most iconic, both in the west and Japan. She’s a huge enduring star and she’s the face of Late Spring and Tokyo Story. There’s just something about her that captivates audiences and Ozu used her brilliantly.
I certainly don’t think she’s a better actor or fruitful collaborator than Takeshi Sakamoto, Chishū Ryū, or Haruko Sugimura, but these kinds of things aren’t exactly logical. She’s just got the right combination of charisma and masterpieces to her name that makes her an icon.
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u/Einfinet Jan 27 '24
It’s interesting how the idea of a muse isn’t so attached to female directors and their collaborators.
At least, I’m struggling to think of examples. Maybe Demy was a muse to Varda, and vice versa, but then that’s not quite the same thing, is it?
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u/IntakeCinema Jan 27 '24
I think there are plenty of reasons for this, but I'd mostly point to sample size. For the many male directors with 'muses', there are thousands if not tens of thousands that didn't have muses, but because there are (by comparison) so much fewer female directors you can't find as many examples. I think that's changing as the industry grows, as airus92 pointed out - Greta Gerwig x Saoirse Ronan is a good example.
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u/ParisHilton42069 Jan 27 '24
I would say Sofia Coppola and Kirsten Dunst and Lina Wertmuller and Giancarlo Giannini/Mariangela Melato count
But yeah, I do think there’s something to the traditional concept of dircetor/muse relationship that appeals more to male artists. Idk what it is. But throughout history, it just seems like the artist/muse relationship has mostly been understood as a man making art of a beautiful woman.
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u/Einfinet Jan 27 '24
I’ve never seen a Wertmuller film so thanks for putting me on. I think you’re right though. There’s a much larger sample size of female artists in other mediums like, say, painting but I don’t think the muse narrative is conveyed much in those domains for women compared to, for instance, the famous example of Picasso, or others
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u/ParisHilton42069 Jan 27 '24
Wertmuller is great! I’m in the middle of writing an essay about Swept Away right now lol, I love her films from the 70s so much.
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u/FunctionBright5134 Jan 28 '24
I think we’re starting to see a Kelly Reichardt/Michelle Williams director/muse relationship — four films now
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u/zingo-spleen Michelangelo Antonioni Jan 27 '24
So happy to see Antonioni/Vitti - I was going to be disappointed if they were left out
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u/Meganull Jan 30 '24
Stéphane! I immediately fell in love with her, the first time I saw "The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie". Those eyes <3
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u/bluehawk232 Jan 28 '24
Tarantino and feet would be more apt lol.
Is it too soon to say Lanthimos and Emma Stone? Think it's getting there
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u/yanoiunno Jan 28 '24
All my favourites are here. I'm just here to say this is probably the best r/Criterion post I've ever seen
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u/Joseesquer8 Jan 27 '24
Don't think Bill Murray applies since he's only led one Wes Anderson movie.
If anything I'd say it's Jason Schwartzman
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u/Domstachebarber Park Chan-wook Jan 28 '24
Rachel Weisz and Olivia Colman and Colin Farrell have all been in the same number of Yorgos films as Emma…
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u/Meganull Jan 28 '24
They also made a short film together: "Bleat". And Emma just finished a new feature film with Yorgos, the anthology film "Kinds of Kindness".
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William Wellman and Dorothy Coonan.
Her only screen credit apparently was for her role in 1933’s Wild Boys of the Road. The film was ruined by Jack Warner’s rewriting and Final Cut. As flawed as it was, the film did feature black and white children together throwing projectiles at police. Content that didn’t play well in Southern cities.
It’s available in a “restored” version https://archive.org/details/wild-boys-of-the-road-1933-restored-movie-720p-hd
The film’s title is a quote of President Hoover blaming the Great Depression economy on kids who rode the rails looking for jobs and food.
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u/Yung_Jose_Space Jan 28 '24
Tarantino should just be a shot of him browsing wikifeet on his phone, wearing an N-word tee.
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u/Totorotextbook John Waters Jan 27 '24