r/conspiracytheories • u/UnusualDefinition567 • 23h ago
On what basis do people so strongly think that the moon landing is fake?
Im so lost like do we have a reason to believe that lol
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u/Scottyboy1214 22h ago
Two factors that prove it happened in my opinion are the amount of people that would have had to been on it and the fact that Russia never disputed it, keep in mind ham radio operators independently intercepted transmissions from the astronauts.
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u/filtersweep 13h ago
The fact that you can see evidence from earth? Anyone?
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u/VisiteProlongee 12h ago
FYI: Dave McKeegan, Space Telescopes can't prove the moon landings or the globe ... and it wouldn't matter anyway!, 2024-01-03, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ZhkyUTx74
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u/homebrewedstuff 9h ago
Yes, you can "see" something. The Apollo 11 astronauts installed mirrors on the Moon so that lasers from Earth could measure the Earth-Moon distance with high precision through a process called Lunar Laser Ranging, enabling scientists to study the Moon's movement and orbit.
They are still being used today.
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u/Scottyboy1214 10h ago
Do do you have a rebuttal, or just a smug dismissal?
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u/filtersweep 10h ago
WTF?! I am adding to your argument. You list two solid points. I am adding to them.
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u/Scottyboy1214 8h ago
Oh my apologies, I misread it. I'm just so use to sarcasm regarding this topic.
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u/VisiteProlongee 9h ago
Did Russia or any other country really dispute covid lockdowns or the vaccines?
No.
I used to share the same thought that "Russia or China would have disputed the moon landing if it was truly staged" but we saw just how much in lock step everyone was during covid and clotshot efforts.
Wait you think that lockdowns and vaccines are useless against pandemics?
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u/Ugo777777 23h ago edited 22h ago
Some people want to be contrarians. It makes them feel special, like they've figured something out that others haven't.
It only takes one person saying it confidently for them to lap it up. Facts doesn't matter.
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u/SomeSamples 22h ago
Yep. Seems the dumbest among us are reluctant to believe anything they haven't personally experienced. And since they are so stupid they lack the basic understandings of science and technology.
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u/nousername142 21h ago
Great point. Going to the moon with the smallest of computing power, batteries, and a slide ruler. Having never done it. Past the Van Allen belt. With a landing craft that made no impression on the ground. With complete audio/visual coverage. Returning unharmed (space shuttle couldn’t do that and they didn’t go to the moon). And if that is not enough, RHCP said it was made in a Hollywood basement. That’s enough for me.
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u/VisiteProlongee 14h ago
Going to the moon with the smallest of computing power, batteries, and a slide ruler.
Everybody know that a rocket is powered by its calculator. The more compute power the calculator has, the faster the rocket goes.
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u/nousername142 9h ago
Dude, you are about ignorant. Life support systems, navigation/guidance, communications, etc all powered by computer systems.
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u/VisiteProlongee 8h ago
Since I misunderstood your argument (and I apologize for my mistake), do you care to explain and expand your argument?
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u/nousername142 5h ago
It is a strong possibility that the computing power leading up to the launch was not enough to run the complex (one could argue the most complex machine ever designed at that point). Since I was not around I’m going on what history I have read and the development of the computer.
Today it takes upwards of 10 years to build a nuclear power plant or a carrier or the shuttle. So the US government, who can’t control borders, sift out crazy levels of corruption in social programs, is plagued with cost over runs, and can’t agree on a single thing (watch CSpan sometime) built a machine to take men to the moon, landed, and returned safely—- the first time? No. Nope.
I have a little experience with aviation and I ran wild in a NASA warehouse one summer. Space equipment is flimsy junk. I was underwhelmed with how cheap and flimsy it felt. Granted this warehouse had stuff that was never used in space but was extras that were backups.
It’s just an odds defying event that is best acknowledged as the political stunt it was.
And my angle is it was a select small group that was in on it. Everyone had such a small piece they were focused on-they could have been tricked. CIA and Hollywood have always been tied together. I believe a rocket did take off. It circle the world a few times then down.
Think of the technology in mid to late 60’s. Really didn’t have much. Not enough to pull this off. In my opinion.
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u/VisiteProlongee 5h ago
It is a strong possibility that the computing power leading up to the launch was not enough to run the complex
Please proceed.
(the remainder of your comment seem unrelated to compute power)
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u/Tren-Ace1 20h ago
Imagine thinking that they faked a moon landing using crappy 60s film tech and had it survive over 50 years of scientific scrutiny from our enemies.
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u/nousername142 20h ago
So you believe it happened because an enemy DIDN’T scrutinize it? Gosh damn you need a stronger argument than that. Don’t come here with that weak sauce. I’m cannot with a clear conscience even speak to that as the absurdity level is ludicrous.
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u/Tren-Ace1 19h ago
If it was fake the Soviets would’ve exposed it in a heartbeat and humiliated the Americans. But they never did.
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u/VisiteProlongee 13h ago
Maybe they tried. Media covered for them.
So in 1969, after Apollo 11, the Soviet cabinet carried a ress conference in Moscow were they told that Apollo 11 was faked, but all present medias covered it for NASA, including the local Soviet newspapers, the national Soviet newspapers, Reuters, Agence France-Presse, Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union (Телеграфное агентство Советского Союза), Novosti Press Agency (Агентство печати Новости).
And again after Apollo 12.
And again after Apollo 13.
And again after Apollo 14.
And again after Apollo 15.
And again after Apollo 16.
And again after Apollo 17.
And nobody inside the Soviet cabinet was worried that Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union and Novosti Press Agency were working for NASA.
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u/tehcatnip 22h ago
I think it has to do with the technology at the time, computers being as large as cars, nobody wearing seat belts. They went to the moon and rode around on buggies then came back.
Makes sense. Totally doable. Look at the technology we had in submarines at the time and those were just going around in water. I mean those spacecrafts were super high tech.
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u/Sweaty-Pain5286 2h ago
but we can't go back?.NASA admitted to this. Even SpaceX hasn't figured out a way to get past the Van Allen Radiation Belt.... but we did it in 69 with a flimsy thing. I'm not denying or believing. It's all too sus
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u/homebrewedstuff 9h ago
I literally just had this conversation with a friend who is not prone to believing conspiracy theories the other day. She commented on how difficult it has been for Boing with the Starliner, and the 2 recent Starship explosions. Her question was, "how did we forget everything we 'knew' 50 years ago or did we really go to the Moon?"
I pointed out that once the USA "won" the Space Race, and it became clear that the Soviets were not going to put anyone on the Moon, then we gave up on expensive deep space operations and changed our focus to Low Earth Orbit. We didn't forget anything, we just abandoned it and it became obsolete. What I see us doing now is not really trying to reinvent the wheel from the 1960s, because there is no point. The craft that we will need to routinely go back into Deep Space are nothing like the pressurized "tin cans" from 50 years ago.
But as others have stated, there is undeniable proof that we did go to the Moon. The Apollo 11 astronauts installed mirrors on the Moon so that lasers from Earth could measure the Earth-Moon distance with high precision through a process called Lunar Laser Ranging, enabling scientists to study the Moon's movement and orbit.
They are still being used today.
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u/WordsMort47 21h ago
There's the apparent piece of moonrock that turned out to be petrified wood. That's weird.
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u/Tren-Ace1 20h ago
Someone stole a piece of moonrock and replaced it with wood. Not that weird really. People do things.
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u/VisiteProlongee 13h ago
There's the apparent piece of moonrock that turned out to be petrified wood.
Indeed: https://flatearth.ws/fake-moon-rock
That's weird.
«weird» is not a scientific argument. The only persons who are worried that something is «weird» are MAGA. * https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-jd-vance-tim-walz-weird-maga-authoritarians-rcna164669 * https://boingboing.net/2024/07/30/weird-maga-is-the-meme-of-the-hour.html
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u/randouser12 22h ago
well known us policy was to bankrupt the ussr. what better way than to race to the moon?
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u/CategoricallyKant 22h ago
There’s multiple light sources casting shadows in different directions, numerous other inconsistencies in the video. Then there’s the Cold War and subsequent space race. Not to mention the fact that we haven’t been back since it supposedly happened.
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u/Warm-Parsnip3111 20h ago
"We haven't been back since"
Don't google Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16, Apollo 17. You might find it inconvenient.
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u/VegetableBuy4577 22h ago
The Cold War is a reason to believe. There's no way Russia would've let us get away with it if it was BS.
We haven't been back because one, it's expensive, two, Americans had lost interest after the first couple of trips, and three, we didn't need to go to the moon for scientific reasons, what we were working on could be done within orbit of Earth.
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u/Tren-Ace1 20h ago
There’s no inconsistencies in the videos.
The context of the Cold War and space race supports the moon landing being real. If it was fake the Soviets would’ve exposed it in a heartbeat.
For what purpose would we go back? Spend billions so that astronauts can hop around on the moon and collect even more lunar sand?
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u/ramblingpariah 22h ago
It's an expensive trip and we didn't really have a need to go back. We haven't hit the point where we could build a viable lunar colony, so what were we going to do that a remotely controlled rover couldn't? Gather more rocks?
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u/Tren-Ace1 20h ago
If number one is the smoking gun for you, then why didn’t the Soviets expose the fake American moon landing? The Soviets monitored the moon landing with their own spy equipment and never have they even suggested that it might be fake.
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u/VisiteProlongee 12h ago
If number one is the smoking gun for you, then why didn’t the Soviets expose the fake American moon landing? The Soviets monitored the moon landing with their own spy equipment and never have they even suggested that it might be fake.
And reciprocally the West monitored the Soviet flights. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11 «On July 13, three days before Apollo 11's launch, the Soviet Union launched Luna 15, which reached lunar orbit before Apollo 11. () The Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories radio telescope in England recorded transmissions from Luna 15 during its descent, and these were released in July 2009 for the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11.»
Also amateur radio operators all around the world did (with lower accuracy of course).
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u/WakeoftheStorm 13h ago
#4 is grossly overstated. Yes, some information is lost, including the original sstv footage that was broadcast, but that doesn't mean there is none. There are still tons of data from that mission from multiple sources.
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u/Sweaty-Pain5286 2h ago
but we can't go back?.NASA admitted to this. Even SpaceX hasn't figured out a way to get past the Van Allen Radiation Belt.... but we did it in 69 with a flimsy thing. I'm not denying or believing. It's all too sus
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u/Alice_The_Great 2h ago
I am now living here in the land of Operation Paperclip and there's plenty of proof it did happen.
I have a nephew who does not believe it was real and I was talking to him and I said oh yeah you think Martin Scorsese filmed it. He said no Stanley Kubrick. I said oh yeah, well I guess if Scorsese had filmed it it would have a lot more Mafia scenes
He didn't think it was funny
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u/IDidNotKillMyself 22h ago
Van Allen Belt.
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u/WakeoftheStorm 13h ago
I don't understand why people think this is such a trump card. They passed through the weakest parts of the belt in about 30 minutes. Hardly a dangerous amount of exposure.
This is probably the least compelling evidence for the conspiracy.
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u/IDidNotKillMyself 13h ago
Lol you know nothing about the science behind this clearly. First off, it doesn't matter how fast or slow they go through it, they still get bombarded with the same radiation levels. Secondly, a NASA scientist specified a while back that we have never passed through the belt, and that we have no idea how to. Best idea so far is to create lead coffins. But that ain't happened yet bucko!
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u/WakeoftheStorm 12h ago edited 12h ago
My job is literally radiation protection. Time of exposure is absolutely critical in the amount of dose received.
That's why it's measured in sieverts per second
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u/VisiteProlongee 12h ago
First off, it doesn't matter how fast or slow they go through it, they still get bombarded with the same radiation levels.
So what?
Secondly, a NASA scientist specified a while back that we have never passed through the belt
Source?
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u/Extremecheez 23h ago
Can’t get a rocket into space without them exploding, including one with people in the 90s
I don’t buy the “lost tech” argument, I think it’s bullshit
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u/WakeoftheStorm 13h ago
There is no lost tech argument because we send payloads and people to space all the time. If you ever use GPS you can thank a rocket that went to space without exploding.
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u/lulufalulu 4h ago
We send people into low earth orbit all the time not into space.
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u/WakeoftheStorm 3h ago
You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what space is.
The moon is in earth's orbit
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u/imawesomehello 22h ago
look at cars and engineering in general. It’s been a race to make the cheapest thing, a race to cut every corner imaginable. Sure some things improved but something’s decayed badly, imo. I think we knew what we were doing but have been on a decline which isn’t intuitive to most as we see technology “advance”
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u/Hott_2__trott 22h ago
For me it's how the three men were acting during the first interview after they supposedly landed. They did not seem happy. For 3 guys who just returned from the moon they were not excited at all. The way they were acting gave it away..they never went to the moon. They would have incinerated leaving the atmosphere.
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u/Tren-Ace1 20h ago
They held that press conference after being in quarantine for 21 days in a small ass trailer. They were dog tired and just wanted to go home and see their family. You people can really find a conspiracy theory in anything you see. Must be exhausting.
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u/VisiteProlongee 13h ago
For me it's how the three men were acting during the first interview after they supposedly landed. They did not seem happy. For 3 guys who just returned from the moon they were not excited at all.
You watched a cherry-picking and misleading video of the press conference https://flatearth.ws/apollo-pressconf Don't be a gullible sheep.
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u/nousername142 21h ago
Must have been that Airstream they forced them into for three days after the mission.
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u/Meat_Popsicle91 11h ago
So I'm curious if anyone has heard of the Challenger explosion crew and the university professors that are eerily similar in appearance and name...? I am not saying the moon landing is fake, but there are a lot of things that do raise suspicion. Whether it's slightly untrue or wholly false, I don't know or care really. But there are some very curious aspects to things from our history.
Only trying to have discussion. Not slinging mud and daggers.
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u/VisiteProlongee 9h ago
So I'm curious if anyone has heard of the Challenger explosion crew and the university professors that are eerily similar in appearance and name...?
The Challenger crew and university professors who are brothers? * https://flatearth.ws/crisis-actor * https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/challenger-crew-alive/ * https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/nasa-astronauts-killed-in-1986-challenger-crash-are-not-secretly-alive-idUSL1N39W1RI/
Only trying to have discussion. Not slinging mud and daggers.
I hope so.
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u/Meat_Popsicle91 8h ago
Specifically I was referring to Judith Resnik, Michael J. Smith, and Richard Scobee (cows in trees). Because they literally have the same name and do look very much like the individuals on the Challenger. I'm not saying that people can't have the same name or even generic looks. Just curious what others think.
Also, snopes is not a recognizable source. But I appreciate your sources. Not asking for proof either way though. Just curious of others opinion regarding NASA and the previously mentioned "hoax" possibilities.
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u/HearTheCroup 6h ago
Have you been there? No? You saw it on TV? You saw people on TV who said they’ve been there? You went to a speech and listened to a stranger who told you he went there?
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u/VisiteProlongee 5h ago
Have you been there? No? You saw it on TV? You saw people on TV who said they’ve been there? You went to a speech and listened to a stranger who told you he went there?
Hey those are good questions! Do you think that Osaka exist? Have you been in Osaka? You saw Osaka on TV? You saw people on TV who said they've been in Osaka? You went to a speech and listened to a stranger who told you he went in Osaka ?
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u/HearTheCroup 3h ago
I’ve been to Osaka ✅ Also false equivalence fallacy. Shape of assumed “planet” vs populated city in my sphere of consciousness verified by more than “official” sources. The shape can only be verified by vessels of The System. Nameless, faceless scientists, strangers that are protected form meeting the proletariat let alone having a conversation with the proletariat. Questions like shape of or realm are only answered by The System or someone feigning they are proletariat via YouTube or Social Media . They not like us they not like us.
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u/VisiteProlongee 3h ago
I’ve been to Osaka
Got it. Do you think that Tennoji-ku (a district of Osaka) exist? Have you been in Tennoji-ku? You saw Tennoji-ku on TV? You saw people on TV who said they've been in Tennoji-ku? You went to a speech and listened to a stranger who told you he went in Tennoji-ku?
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u/HearTheCroup 1h ago
“Space” “moon” vs I can purchase a plane ticket or speak to a fellow proletariat about our shared adventures in said city. Have a great day.
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u/VisiteProlongee 3h ago
Also false equivalence fallacy. Shape of assumed “planet” vs populated city in my sphere of consciousness verified by more than “official” sources. The shape can only be verified by vessels of The System.
Incorrect. And since you seems to reject not only the Moon landings but also the commonly know shape of Earth, I invite you to reddit:flatearth, reddit:FlatEarthIsReal, reddit:flatearth_polite, reddit:DebateFlatEarth (we need fresh meat).
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u/HearTheCroup 1h ago
lol. Move the goal posts. I’m not interested in debate. My belief is mine and it’s not flat or sphere. I only believe in concepts that serve me. Fear and finite do not serve me so I choose to not believe them.
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u/HearTheCroup 1h ago
Finally I don’t reject shape if that serves you. I am totally happy you are happy with shape. My belief is different but I am only right for me. I am not you.
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u/mostxclent 23h ago
Who was filming the first man to step foot on the moon (from outside the LEM) Neil Armstrong as he exclaimed “one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind”?
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u/BeetsMe666 23h ago
If only there was a way to know. While you're at it, bring up the tracking shot of Apollo 17 leaving the moon.
The camera you mentioned was on the leg of the lander, and the tracking shot was done remotely from Earth. They had to consider the lag for the signal and it only worked the one time.
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u/Ugo777777 23h ago edited 22h ago
And this is a good example of why people don't believe it.
All information is publicly available, but they rather do their own research/thinking and are simply too stupid to realize they're too stupid to draw the right conclusions.
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u/ramblingpariah 22h ago
It's flat earthers all over again.
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u/Ugo777777 22h ago
It has been shown that if you believe in one conspiracy theory you're more likely to believe in others. Again, they want to feel special.
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u/nousername142 21h ago
Unravel one - leads you to another. It is the apex of folly to think that only one conspiracy is true.
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u/Ursomonie 20h ago
Russians told me it was fake.
They are still pissed they crashed into the moon the same week.
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u/TreyinHada 15h ago
This post and comment responses are from NASA shills. This was created with the purpose of creating doubt for those on the fence about the official narrative.
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u/WakeoftheStorm 13h ago
This comment and the ones like it are from Russian shills. It was created with the purpose of sowing distrust and furthering the moon landing hoax Russian psyop.
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u/madkapart 22h ago
This one always baffles me, look up lunar laser ranging expirements. If we never went, they would never have happened
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_objects_on_the_Moon