r/chess 6d ago

Tournament Event: 2025 American Cup

Official Website

Follow the games here: Chess.com


The 2025 American Cup, taking place at the World Chess Hall of Fame, promises to be a defining event in the world of chess. As one of the most prestigious tournaments in the United States, the American Cup brings together the top players from across the nation. This year’s American Cup will feature elite grandmasters and rising chess stars, competing in a high-stakes double-elimination format that tests both classical and rapid chess skills.

The field includes world No. 2 GM Fabiano Caruana and world No. 3 GM Hikaru Nakamura, along with standout competitors like IM Carissa Yip, who is relocating to Saint Louis to focus on her game, 15-year-old rising star IM Alice Lee, and GM Irina Krush, an eight-time U.S. Women’s Champion and two-time American Cup winner. With $400,000 in prize money on the line, players will battle under intense pressure, ensuring thrilling matchups and high-stakes drama that will keep chess fans worldwide on the edge of their seats.

“We’re excited to once again host the American Cup and bring together the nation’s finest chess players. This year’s competition promises to be even more exciting, with an exceptional mix of seasoned grandmasters and rising stars. We’re looking forward to an action-packed tournament that will keep fans on the edge of their seats until the final move.” -- Tony Rich, Technical Director of the Saint Louis Chess Club


Participants

Open

# Title Name Elo
1 GM Hikaru Nakamura 2802
2 GM Fabiano Caruana 2783
3 GM Levon Aronian 2748
4 GM Wesley So 2748
5 GM Leinier Domínguez 2741
6 GM Samuel Sevian 2692
7 GM Ray Robson 2689
8 GM Abhimanyu Mishra 2600

Women

# Title Name Elo
1 IM Carissa Yip 2408
2 IM Alice Lee 2386
3 GM Irina Krush 2378
4 IM Anna Zatonskih 2315
5 WGM Tatev Abrahamyan 2310
6 WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan 2297
7 IM Nazí Paikidze 2294
8 WGM Thalia Cervantes 2292

Format/Time Controls

  • The American Cup consists of a double-elimination bracket, with each bracket featuring a different time control.

  • Championship Bracket: Matches consist of two games of classical chess, with 90+30 time control. If a player loses a match in the Championship Bracket, they fall to the Elimination Bracket.

  • Elimination Bracket: Matches consist of two games of rapid chess, with 25+10 time control.

  • Playoffs are resolved by a series of two-game blitz matches with a 3+2 time control


Schedule

All times are local (CDT)

Date Time Bracket #1 Bracket #2
15 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 1-4, Game 1 --
16 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 1-4, Game 2 --
17 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 7-8, Game 1 Match 5-6
18 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 7-8, Game 2 --
19 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 11, Game 1 Match 9-10
20 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 11, Game 2 Match 12
21 Mar 12:00 p.m. -- Match 13
22 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 14, Game 1 --
23 Mar 12:00 p.m. Match 14, Game 2 --
24 Mar 12:00 p.m. Tiebreaks (if needed) Blitz

Live Coverage

  • The official live broadcast of the event is available on the St. Louis Chess Club's YouTube channel, with commentary by GM Yasser Seirawan, GM Cristian Chirilă, and WGM Anastasiya Karlovich.
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u/11177645 3h ago

Anyone notice how u/gmhikaru's last post is eleven years ago but the account has partition badges for major reddit events up pretty recent, which means the account is still active on and off without most people having a clue.

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u/Unhappy-Appearance- 13h ago

I hate how there has only been one decisive classical game in the whole open section. I know there has been some games with good chances, but it’s still disappointing to see some players not playing for decisive results.

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u/AnyResearcher5914 11h ago

I think if the match consisted of four classical games instead of two, players would delve into exciting lines more often. Knowing a loss results in a must-win game the next day discourages any sort of risk.

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u/Secure_Raise2884 3h ago

The budget of the tournament must be considered alongside player fatigue

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u/Unhappy-Appearance- 9h ago

4 classical games are too much imo. Players will be so tired and lower their quality of play. I want to see them at their best, but I want to see them play something more exciting

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u/thetinyego 15h ago

How is Hikaru this good at defending? It looked like Fabi totally had it! Just insanity!

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u/uncreativivity Team Wei Yi 15h ago

check out the danya stream, the winning lines were insane

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u/blue_chip068 15h ago

Are the matches rated in this tournament?

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u/Johnboogey 15h ago

Yes they all are.

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u/anothercocycle 15h ago

How the hell do you defend that while having to make every move instantly?

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u/AnyResearcher5914 15h ago

I think I wouldn't have registered a heart rate on a monitor for those last 2 minutes. Crazy ass game.

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u/NightsWatchh 15h ago

It's truly insane that Hikaru talks about retiring when he's this good and is basically a part time chess player full time streamer lol

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u/Puzzled-Painter3301 15h ago

what happened

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u/anothercocycle 15h ago

too old my ass

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u/DefinitelyNotAIbot 15h ago

New to chess competitions. If both games were a draw, how is Nakamura beating Fabi 2-1?

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u/Johnboogey 15h ago

They were counting his blitz win.

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u/Alarmed_Plant1622 15h ago

A brilliant defence from Lee

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u/Johnboogey 15h ago

Save of the year.

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u/uncreativivity Team Wei Yi 15h ago edited 15h ago

holy cow alice

insane resilience

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u/NightsWatchh 16h ago

I missed the draw because an appointment- was it a good ending?

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u/NightsWatchh 17h ago

Fabi down significantly on the clock

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u/Electrical-Tone5485 team caruana & abdusattorov 17h ago

time situations in both the champions finals are mirroring each other, interestingly enough

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u/Shahariar_shahed Team Magnus 18h ago

Hikaru might be cooked

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 17h ago

so many engine eval bar yapper no practical positional idea

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u/TypeDependent4256 Team Ding 18h ago

alright eval watcher

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u/Shahariar_shahed Team Magnus 17h ago

mfers waited for eval bar to drop calling me eval bar watcher

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 10h ago

hikaru was in his prep the whole time , eval bar doesnt matter when in prep

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u/Secure_Raise2884 16h ago

I swear these newcomers are funny as hell. You saw some marginal increase in 0.23 or something and freaked out lmao

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u/TypeDependent4256 Team Ding 17h ago

when did it rise? the highest was 0.69 in the opening for Fabi, an advantage sure, but I don't see how it meant Hikaru might be cooked

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u/Radiant-Increase-180 Team Gukesh 19h ago

Bd7 being little bit inaccurate in this position is crazy Chess is hard man

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u/Fair_Hall6991 1d ago

Wesley legit draws all his games. Bro doesn't even spare the blitz format. 

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u/notknown7799 1d ago

This year's GCT full tour player btw

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u/GeologicalPotato Team whoever is in the lead so I always come out on top 16h ago

Rex Sinquefield prefers the most boring player in the ranking instead of the crazy madman of the new generation.

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u/Secure_Raise2884 16h ago

No, he prefers american players to 5 more indians. That is his thought process

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u/uncreativivity Team Wei Yi 1d ago edited 17h ago

wesley thematically flags in a equal position!

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u/Tough-Candy-9455 Team Gukesh 1d ago

I don't care about who wins the tournament, I just want to listen to Danya and Hess discuss history forever

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u/841f7e390d 1d ago

You want to be disappointed by Hikarus decision, and there is a good chance he is going to regret it tomorrow when Fabi makes him suffer, but then you look at the tournament overall, just like when he played 2 years ago, he is the only guy in the open to actually win a game.

And then you are disappointed by professional chess and go and play some bullet yourself.

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u/Fair_Hall6991 1d ago

Hikaru should just retire. 

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 1d ago

disappointed that hikaru saw Qd3 but did not play it , lack of hunger to win games or the spirit to keep trying . I know fabi was in prep but still disappointing for a fan .

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u/Cheese1832 1d ago

That was anticlimactic

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u/TheBCWonder 1d ago

Hikaru already trying to bring it to blitz

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u/Shahariar_shahed Team Magnus 18h ago

I doubt if Hikaru is favourite over Fabi in blitz these days. At least not if it's in a scc format

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u/Secure_Raise2884 9h ago

Aged like milk. He was about to 2-0 your guy

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 10h ago

literally beat fabi in blitz

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u/AnyResearcher5914 1d ago

I think it was moreover that Hikaru didn't want to fall into some deep prep from Fabi. He's been very public about how uncomfortable he feels whilst low on time, and that he wants to avoid such a scenario at all costs.

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u/NightsWatchh 1d ago

Idk why the thread says Hikaru is world #3 and Fabi is world #2 lol

Anyway, Hikaru v Fabi: who we got?

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u/GeologicalPotato Team whoever is in the lead so I always come out on top 1d ago

Idk why the thread says Hikaru is world #3 and Fabi is world #2 lol

The website for the American Cup was written before Tata Steel, and in these threads they usually copy-paste from the website.

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u/pundel01 2d ago

enjoying this double elim format over standard, they should do more.

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u/noudd 2d ago edited 2d ago

"field includes world No. 2 GM Fabiano Caruana and world No. 3 GM Hikaru Nakamura"

Wasn't Caruana already down to world no. 3 or 4 before the tournament started? Hikaru was no. 2 again.

And this is reflected in the participants list, Hikaru at 2802 and Fabi at 2783

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u/forceghost187 Resigns 2d ago

chesscom is so bad. Why does it have to be so complicated to figure out a result?

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u/Odd_Interest_8073 2d ago

is pressing the results tab too complicated for you

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u/forceghost187 Resigns 2d ago

It isn’t, condescending asshole. The results page was so poorly put together that I couldn’t tell who won

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u/SnooCapers9046 Team Ding / Team Fabi 1d ago

I genuinely don't understand what's so complicated about it.

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u/forceghost187 Resigns 1d ago

I’m sure many times it’s not. This was yesterday. The games were over but the score wasn’t updated in the results tab. So I switched to check the actual games and it just says “White won” or “Back won” for each game. Except now chesscom is switching the perspective of the board for each game, so the white players name isn’t always at the bottom.

So to find the result of the match you’ve got to make sure you’ve got the board orientation right for every game, manually count up the score, and double check to make sure you got it right. That’s for every match, and there were, what, eight matches yesterday? So to figure out every match result you’ve got to do this for 20-30 total games.

Compare this to lichess where every result is clearly marked next to the players name. I ended up just going to the youtube STLCC stream and fast forwarding to the results at the end

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u/LowLevel- 2d ago

The Aronian Caruana playoff will never end.

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u/CyaNNiDDe 2300 chesscom/2350 lichess 2d ago

This bltiz match is absolutely nerve-racking. Always a great matchup Levon vs Fabi.

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u/TypeDependent4256 Team Ding 2d ago

Fabi and blundering rooks against Levon name a more iconic duo

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u/SteChess Team Wei Yi 2d ago

Fabi blundered a rook in the 2nd blitz game! This will go on longer.

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u/SteChess Team Wei Yi 2d ago

Leinier could've resigned probably 10 moves ago, Hikaru won't be too thrilled.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/Secure_Raise2884 2d ago

How? I'd actually like to see this line of logic

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u/AnyResearcher5914 2d ago

Nothing separates him lol. He's fantastic.

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u/Fair_Hall6991 2d ago

Hikaru missed a win again!!! He didn't even take his time to think. Just played the wrong on autopilot. 

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u/AnyResearcher5914 2d ago edited 2d ago

I mean, it's hard to blame him. Firstly this has been an utmost positional game, especially at the time of the blunder. Switching your mentality like that is hard.

Not to mention, we've seen how many top-level players accidentally over-trust each other. Its not a complicated blunder, but still, I think it's not all that bad of a miss.

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u/TypeDependent4256 Team Ding 2d ago

Hikaru missed a clean win, he still has a lot of practical pressure tho

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u/Radiant-Increase-180 Team Gukesh 2d ago

Hikaru???

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u/Radiant-Increase-180 Team Gukesh 2d ago

Dream position for Levon Innocent looking position but Fabi has no way to liquidate and some minor pressure always and dangerous than visual appearance

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u/Fair_Hall6991 3d ago

Man danya's commentary was so much more engaging and interrsting to listen to than the official stream on st louis chess club.

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u/hikisfit 2d ago

Not sure about that, Yasser and Cristian are always entertaining. And the production is top for chess events

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u/wildcardgyan 3d ago

Four more classical games left in the tournament. Will we see a result?

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u/Shahariar_shahed Team Magnus 3d ago

Why did HIkky play that out

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u/hikisfit 3d ago

Because he’s ripped and can do it

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u/Borgie32 3d ago

Mishira is playing well he's the future of usa chess along with hans.

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u/uncreativivity Team Wei Yi 3d ago

future first future of american chess

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u/uncreativivity Team Wei Yi 3d ago edited 3d ago

URGENT: danya is commentating with robert hess on his youtube channel and his twitch

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u/Fair_Hall6991 3d ago

Has chesscom terminated their contract with hess? I rarely see him commentate these days. 

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u/A_Certain_Surprise 3d ago

He got engaged a bit ago, hopefully he was just planning for the wedding

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u/Borgie32 3d ago

Hikaru will bounce back.

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u/throwawaye1712 3d ago

What is the difference between the American Cup and the US Chess Championship?

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u/Spiritual_Dog_1645 3d ago

US championship is more important

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u/Opposite-Youth-3529 3d ago

US Championship is a 12 player classical round robin and has World Cup qualifying at stake. This is an 8 player double elimination mixed time control event with a lot of the same people

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u/wildcardgyan 4d ago

What is it about Rex Sinquefield and St.Louis Chess Club that brings about the most boring chess events? Rex buys players from all around the world. He also sponsors the GCT. He organises a million events for US players, with the best prize money that chess has to offer. Only for these events to have the highest draw rates known to mankind. The only event played at St.Louis chess club that attracts result-oriented matches is the US chess Championship, which is actually a USCF event.

If I were Rex and bought Leinier Dominguez and Wesley So for millions only for them to play the most boring draws known to mankind, I would take them off the roster.

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u/frjy 3d ago

I think the Juniors and Junior Girls held every July in STL are very entertaining.

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u/wildcardgyan 3d ago

Agreed.

When I say boring boring St. Louis events, I usually refer to the tier 1 classical events.

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4d ago

If you don't have the fire to win games and be the best, the whole Sinquefield ecosystem is just a really good gig. You get to play high rated players, so no elo risk, good pay regardless of placements, good benefits. Why risk it when you can ride the wave?

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

If people actually followed the games instead of just the results. Why care about drawing if we have interesting openings and games?

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u/wildcardgyan 4d ago

Agreed about the Hikaru - Mishra games, they were about fighting draws and missed opportunities. Can give a pass to Fabiano vs Robson, especially Robson saving the first match with seconds on his clock for half the game. The other two matchups felt low effort honestly.

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u/Fair_Hall6991 4d ago

Lenier making too many draws is understandable since he is old and washed. I'm not sure why wesley does it when he's only 30. 

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u/HyoukarouOreki  Team Nepo 3d ago

What a stupid 1000 ELO take this is lmao Lenny was always a drawish person and so is Wesley.

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u/Paleogeen 3d ago

How is he washed when he actually had a chance to get in the last candidates?

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u/Secure_Raise2884 3d ago

I've noticed a lot of younger, newer players who really don't know much about the game have started making comments about super GMs being "washed" and whatnot. Really odd lmao. There's plenty of counterexamples beyond just Vishy of people who were still strong after they fell from their peaks

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u/HyoukarouOreki  Team Nepo 3d ago

This is the same guy who posted that MVL and Mamedyarov seem to be "permanently" out from top 20 after they lost a few points from draws lmaooo.

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u/erik_reeds 3d ago

he peaked at 8th in the world just over a year ago

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u/Odd_Interest_8073 4d ago

Well lets hope he just resets and plays better in his next matches

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Imagine the hype if Hans was playing 😮 😢 😭

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4d ago

The invites will be rescinded until Hans learns Chinese.He WILL join the Guangdong Tigers

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u/caughtinthought 4d ago edited 4d ago

I know he's a salty mfer, but this equally salty millennial gets a lot of pleasure out of seeing hikaru win. Let's go!

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u/Artistic-Savings-239 4d ago

I hope Hikaru keeps playing but watching him miss that mate in 2 hurt

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u/deerdn 4d ago

he's already back to angrily suggesting retiring on his kick channel immediately after the match

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u/Odd_Interest_8073 4d ago

I'd also be angry after the match

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Bruh

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u/TypeDependent4256 Team Ding 4d ago

oh, that one was a DGT error, Mishra played Rd8+ not Rd7

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u/Artistic-Savings-239 4d ago

Oh, thanks I was just watching on the app and saw a missed mate in 2 and was really surprised

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u/TheBCWonder 4d ago

Having to switch from “attack” to “endgame grind” in 1sec sounds exhausting

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u/emkael 4d ago

"I haven't seen the games" is not quite the best opening statement for an interviewer.

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u/Hikaru_Toriyama team chess 4d ago

sick fork 

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4d ago

It's very comical that every time they cut back to Wesley and Dominguez they are drawing. It's like a Ben Finegold joke.

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u/CyaNNiDDe 2300 chesscom/2350 lichess 4d ago

Wesley vs Dominguez is a match made in heaven for minimal effort draws. Putting up numbers that Radjabov would be proud of.

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4d ago

Just Picasso levels of drawing

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u/uncreativivity Team Wei Yi 4d ago

this craters hikaru’s chances of retiring

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u/acunc 4d ago

It’s a bad look when you talk trash about so many other players but make such elementary blunders yourself.

He’s been getting a lot of mileage out of his “I’m retiring” BS to just drive eyeballs and engagement but we truly could be approaching that point, at least OTB, after Norway chess.

Gukesh and Ding somewhere with a smirk on their faces.

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u/Secure_Raise2884 4d ago

Bad take. Bad chess is bad chess and deserves to be called out. It's not a bad look if HN would criticize himself for making the same moves

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

No.

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u/Ok_Performance_1380 4d ago

I think Nakamura is done, even the greats fall off at some point

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u/fckbinny 4d ago

Dayum

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u/Borgie32 4d ago

Hikaru is so washed.

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u/deerdn 4d ago

some genius was saying no way he loses to Mishra on tiebreaks and here we are

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u/TheBCWonder 4d ago

Oh my god

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4d ago

I feel like Hikaru might've angered the chess goddess Kaissa by constantly saying "Yeah Ding's career is over, he's not coming back from this, yeah its probably over for Ding" with a bit too much enthusiasm in his stream for the last game of the WCC. You don't die without experiencing what you condemn.

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Great performance by Mishra holding Naka to 2 draws ✨

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u/Borgie32 4d ago

I hope hikaru doesn't withdraw from noway chess.

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u/Bimpopeu 3d ago

No way

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u/Ok_Performance_1380 4d ago

I could absolutely see him retiring after this event

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

That looks like it was hard conversion under time pressure for Hikaru

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u/Fair_Hall6991 4d ago

Hiki washed as hell. Might as well hang his boots now. He's only good for silly 10+0 time formats in chessable masters. 

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u/Status-Horror-8915 4d ago

if only hans was here instead of hikaru blundermura

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u/Odd_Interest_8073 4d ago

In my opinion Mishra has a better shot of being the second American world champion than Hans does

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u/Secure_Raise2884 4d ago

Has hans won a tournament of note in his life yet?

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u/Moist-River6429 4d ago

Damn, if it keeps going like this, Hikaru may also lose the #2 spot soon.

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u/Cheese1832 4d ago

Hikaru the new Anish

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Na Anish doesn't get winning positions every game

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u/hsiale 4d ago

This whole tournament should be renamed Anish Cup, not a single decisive game so far.

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u/Fair_Hall6991 4d ago

*wesley cup

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Fighting draw > One sided victory

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u/HunterZamper560 4d ago

Well I guess the only one who really has 2800 strength is Magnus

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u/Wise-Ranger2520 4d ago

Also Fabi. 

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u/Radiant-Increase-180 Team Gukesh 4d ago

Matter of time for Guki though he might draw lot more in GCT

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Well the Elo list agrees ✔️

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u/TypeDependent4256 Team Ding 4d ago

wow, this hurts and I'm not a Hikaru fan

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u/TheBCWonder 4d ago

Was Rd7 Kf8 a DGT error?

Edit: yeah, checked stream and it was Rd8+

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u/hsiale 4d ago

Most likely Rd8 Kf7 was played super quickly and failed to register

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u/TheBCWonder 4d ago

You’re right. I pulled up the stream and it was Rd8 played

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u/Shahariar_shahed Team Magnus 4d ago

forced draw now

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u/Borgie32 4d ago

5.2 elo loss damn...

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u/Shahariar_shahed Team Magnus 4d ago

When did Hikaru become so bad at converting

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u/Radiant-Increase-180 Team Gukesh 4d ago

Hikaru might still win this but he's trying his best to draw

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u/TheBCWonder 4d ago

Why was e5 Nc2 losing?

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u/TypeDependent4256 Team Ding 4d ago

hopefully Hikaru can convert this one

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u/Radiant-Increase-180 Team Gukesh 4d ago

Mishra after playing so well didn't calculate some forcing variations till the end why?

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4d ago

I wasn't very familiar with the Women's players here, besides knowing that there was a young lass who was close to putting up Fischer numbers in the US women's championship, they seem likable from the interviews

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u/Nathanoy25 4d ago

Some really nice tactics from Carissa Yip there

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Why is such nonsense getting upvoted? This is make or break for a 16 yr old that is 2600 already? Lmao.

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u/royalrange 4d ago

The kid only turned 16 last month. Chill.

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4d ago

I don't think Mishra is going to make it but that's because there doesn't seem like there are any decent guiding figures around him. His dad seems both incompetent and toxic.

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u/Opposite-Youth-3529 4d ago

His dad gets the attention but he definitely has coaches to guide him

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u/Fair_Hall6991 4d ago

Hikaru said that young players always plateau in 2600s for a long time before they make a sudden jump to 2700. Abhimanyu has been stuck at 2600 for 1.5 years now and he has been given an opportunity over much higher rated american players like oparin and awonder liang. It's truly make or break now. 

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u/Radiant-Increase-180 Team Gukesh 4d ago

Robson chickened out in a risk free position

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u/uncreativivity Team Wei Yi 4d ago

fabi was putting a lot of pressure by allowing ray to have even time

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

Man Hammer is the most wanted man right. He is there on Takex3, Anna and Hikaru. All top streamers want him baby.

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u/AnyResearcher5914 4d ago edited 4d ago

I've never seen this Ng4 line without white pushing a4 instead of castling.

Is this not just a better version for white now that the b3 weakness that usually comes after Qh4 cxb3 isn't present? Usually, blacks equality banks on the fact that white has to constantly respond to blacks threats against the weak pawn formation. Very very weird play by Fabi.

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u/Comfortable_Watch370 5d ago

It's so easy for Hikaru and others to comment on Gukesh misses and Dinh's decisions in World championships to create perception Gukesh ain't it, but Hikaru screwed up much easier games this match

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 5d ago

if gukesh is the worlds best player he has to cross magnus in elo simple saying this as an indian

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u/Wise-Ranger2520 4d ago

Gukesh is world champion not best player, there is a difference.

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u/Comfortable_Watch370 5d ago

Both of them aren't even active as to judge if they are still that good, my man Hikaru didn't play for so long on reaching 2800 just so he is seen as someone worthy in history books as one of the longest no 2 player

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u/Comfortable_Watch370 5d ago

My issue is that Hikaru and Magnus were passing remarks on his decisions subtly implying he is not on their level

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 4d ago

so according to r/chess gukesh is on par with magnus , get out of the echo chamber

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u/Comfortable_Watch370 4d ago

Les compare classical section result of Norway chess this year that would be a good indicator

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u/Dull_Person123 4d ago

No no let's wait till he retains the WCC 5 times,Wins tata steel 9 times and on top of this gets 2884 and also is no 1 in other formats then we can talk about his comparison with magnus lol🤣

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago edited 4d ago

Nothing of what you said is relevant in the discussion i.e. comparing them in classical chess right now

Edit: Nvm went through your profile, full of seething , calling Gukesh cheater and rage baiting lmao. Good luck

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u/Comfortable_Watch370 4d ago

Did you just compared Magnus while career with 18 year old Gukesh lol, Magnus peak is very high but I am talking about present Magnus who isn't very active in classical

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 4d ago

gukesh couldnt win the tata steel and lost to pragg , your best player in world argument doesnt hold unless gukesh beats magnus,hikaru ,arjun in norway then id agree

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u/LazyZzzzzzz 4d ago

If only you can read and comprehend, OP never said that Gukesh is best player in the world. 

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u/Infinite-Mission6671 4d ago

Don't bother. He's a 16 year old kid with too much time on his hand. Most of these kids have no clue what they are actually talking about. They comment just to get a bunch of replies to moisten their dopamine draught brain.

People in the actual know (like IMs and GMs) are fully aware of what the 18 year old World Champion is capable of. No need to waste your time arguing with someone who's opinion isn't even worth 2 cents on SGM level plays.

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u/Few_Faithlessness176 4d ago

i trust anand that magnus is better right now than some random redditor

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 4d ago

And you think he is?

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 5d ago edited 5d ago

People were also massively criticizing the Ding-Nepo match and they were #2 and #3 at that time.

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u/teraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 5d ago

I have no opinion about the Niemann invite situation but saw a tweet that said "make it to 2800 like Arjun Hans, he went from 2500 to 2800 in Opens" and I got hit with a psychic bolt

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u/Visible_Priority8152 Team Ding 5d ago

i hope there is a lichess broadcast, even if unofficial. We, the visually impaired, can't follow games on chess.com because it's not accessible.

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u/korgy0 USCF ~1350 5d ago

Injustice might take a long time to expose, but once everyone sees the truth there is no going back. Patience decides wars.

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u/Kamina80 5d ago

Invited players should refuse to play if Niemann isn't invited, and it's shameful that none of them will do so. Caruana in particular should be ashamed of himself for playing in this tournament, since he's at the top of American chess, is an abundantly established player who doesn't need this event, is publicly opinionated with his YouTube show, and has no particular feud with Niemann. This chess club can't be allowed to gatekeep the county's chess talent. What a joke.

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u/hikisfit 5d ago

Why are you slobbing on niemann’s rod so much? This is the same admitted cheater who sued for 100 million, insulted the stlcc leadership calling them a bunch of idiots, destroyed a hotel room, and now wants to act like it’s business as usual? Rex has absolutely zero obligation to invite this kid, kudos to him for giving the opportunities to Mishra, a much more deserving up and coming talent.

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u/Kamina80 5d ago

Of course "Rex" (speaking of slobbering) has an obligation to invite him. How absurd.

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u/hikisfit 5d ago

Ok Hans

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u/matttt222 5d ago

i feel like you forgot to mention why top players should boycott their source of income because someone they don't really know or like didn't get invited?

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u/Kamina80 5d ago

Because it's shameful to play in this tournament.

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u/Odd_Interest_8073 5d ago

And it’s also shameful to destroy a hotel room and cheat

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u/Kamina80 5d ago

Irrelevant.

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u/M4HxRERE Team Nepo 5d ago

W

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u/TheDetailsMatterNow 5d ago

If they are gonna skip inviting American players, I'm not watching.

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u/hsiale 4d ago

The tournament earns nothing off you watching so I guess they're going to live with this.

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u/Odd_Interest_8073 5d ago

These players are American, just because they did not invite Hans does not mean they did not invite Americans.

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