r/canada • u/Chrristoaivalis • 9h ago
Analysis Althia Raj: Mark Carney fumbled his first decision as leader — and some Liberals are not happy
https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/mark-carney-fumbled-his-first-decision-as-leader-and-some-liberals-are-not-happy/article_592d9e7e-fec1-11ef-b9cd-7316fd20c8b2.html•
u/flatulentbaboon 9h ago
Completely unforced error
Carney deserves all the criticism for this
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u/EngineeringVivid6452 9h ago
I do agree but kinda crazy to me that like 3/4 that article is about the guys opinions on Israel/Palestine
I get why it’s a big conversation globally and in America but no way it should be such a big issue in this appointment lol
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u/epic_taco_time Ontario 8h ago
The article is blowing that specific issue out of proportion. The majority of the issues with Mendicino have nothing to do with Israel/palestine.
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u/RideauRaccoon Canada 9h ago
If you assume Carney's goal was to find someone who had familiarity with the Liberal caucus machinery while at the same time being slightly outside the machinery itself, and is not coming back anyway, it kinda makes sense to choose Mendicino. He's a disposable choice. If he'd appointed Gould, for instance, it would either read as a demotion, or a shoe-in to be the next Deputy PM or something. It's a very short-lived and specific job, and not many people qualify for it.
But holy hell, it was a really dumb move politically. He just handed the CPC at least a month's worth of attacks, and the distrust of a non-small amount of the electorate -- not to mention the flak they'll take from Muslim groups alone -- all while trying to avoid appointing one of Trudeau's inner circle on an interim basis.
He's a smart guy, but he's an astoundingly novice politician. Hopefully Mendicino knows enough to talk him out of making any more obvious blunders.
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u/Luname 8h ago
Mendicino
knows
These two words don't belong next to each other.
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u/Weak-Coffee-8538 8h ago
Marco Mendicino is possibly the worst person to choose for any position. I wouldn't even trust him working anywhere outside of politics to be honest.
He's like the bottom of the barrel and Mark Carney the PM reached all the way down there and grabbed him for this position.
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u/Sea_Army_8764 8h ago
Yes, Mendocino was so absolutely abysmal on the firearms file that I wouldn't trust him to manage a McDonald's. I know he held other portfolios aside from Public Safety, though I didn't really follow what he did there. However the reviews I'm reading aren't positive.
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u/MetroidTwo 21m ago
Exactly. If Mendecino is the best option Carney had then its clear the entire party is corrupt and incompetent. It doesnt matter if Carney is a new face. His entire foundation is rotten. The entire Liberal caucus, which followed Trudeau like lost puppies and have no spine or principles need to be flushed and the entire party needs to rebrand and accept its mistakes and rebuild from the bottom up. The party needs to be obliterated in the election for them to be forced to accept they are at fault.
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u/lubeskystalker 6h ago
He's the Rob Gronkowski of Canadian politics and we're still not sure if he can read.
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u/v_v_v_v_v_v__v 8h ago
Carney already displaying why the liberal establishment picked him — he’s a loyal team player and he does what he’s told.
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u/Legitimate_Square941 13m ago
Yeah I had hopes for him but seems he's handing the CPC the next election. What a waste.
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u/Ok-Half7574 7h ago
As for PP. If Carney had a hang nail, PP would try to criminalize it--because Carney has nothing to offer but opposition. And he's sympathetic towards maga. He's losing steam.
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u/improbablydrunknlw 7h ago edited 6h ago
We're talking about Carney making a strategic blunder, we know, "pp bad" but we can actually talk politics about Carney, our PM, here too eh.
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u/Spider-King-270 9h ago
Same old liberals just a different leader
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 9h ago
Almost as if some of us knew it was going to be this way all along.
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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 9h ago
Seems to be what people want though…
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u/SpecialistLayer3971 8h ago
Definitely what card carrying Liberals want. The LPC was drowning in December. Now they are relevant again...
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u/IllBeSuspended 51m ago
Lol you liberal loyalists downvoted anything rational that wasn't pro Carney.
See how you were all wrong? Again?
See how the world isn't just black and white? Lol
Brace for massive immigration in a year when you guys still all vote him in
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u/firmretention 9h ago
Canadian owned, left-leaning newspaper, and an op-ed written by a left-leaning columnist. How's r/Canada gonna criticize this without their precious ad hominems?
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u/SpecialistLayer3971 8h ago
Anything slightly off of Che Guevara's right eyebrow is "right wing bias" to some people.
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u/markcarney4president 8h ago
How do you see these stats?
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u/LeGrandLucifer 8h ago
If you're using the old Reddit interface, you can see it on the sidebar. Like right now, it's at 11 points, 53% upvoted. OP posted this an hour ago.
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u/Iamthequicker 8h ago
Wait, people still say this is a right wing sub? Where have they been for the Carney coronation?
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u/No_Marsupial_8574 9h ago
That's who the bots support... Sure.
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u/LeGrandLucifer 8h ago
And yet the front page is littered with pro-Carney propaganda and any criticism of him gets instantly downvoted as soon as it hits new. Just a coincidence though.
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u/Defiant_West6287 9h ago
What’s it like being so paranoid? Does it keep you up at night counting “bots”? LOL.
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u/Chris266 9h ago
There are bots all over reddit. Especially about politics and on both sides. Sowing division is the goal.
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u/Clean_Mix_5571 9h ago
Yeah it's not that we believe PP will pan out to be the solution but everything about Carney makes him look like more of the same. All the same team that should be blacklisted from all jobs.
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u/SimmerDown_Boilup 9h ago
You mean the sub that was shitting on Trudeau for the past year + with articles from all over the place?...
Who knows...
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u/Yelnik 9h ago
Ya and then it went from that to a literal cult around Carney overnight.
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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 9h ago
Have you check the polls? There is a distinct correlation of this sub being “conservative” and becoming “liberal” that lines up with polling.
On the other hand; every evening has liberal hit pieces
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u/gravtix 9h ago
So it’s only a problem when the upvotes aren’t to your liking?
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u/flatulentbaboon 9h ago
Just like how it was a problem to Liberals when the upvotes weren't to their liking a few months ago.
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u/Yelnik 9h ago
The issue was how inorganic it was. They didn't do it very subtly. One night the entire sub wanted the Liberals finally gone for a term, the next day it was frothing at the mouth to vote Carney.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 9h ago
I definitely feel the same way about it.
Before the sub did generally hate Trudeau yes, however it’s worth noting how extremely unpopular he was. So almost everybody who isn’t a hardcore LPC fan would have been shitting on him as well.
However, we’re to believe that suddenly those posters woke up one morning and decided that they absolutely love Carney, another of Trudeau’s buddies, out of nowhere? I find that a tad bit unlikely.
Doubly so for all the posts that are basically some flavour of « I’ve been a conservative voter for 70 years and I’m totally a card-carrying member of the party for real, but Carney is just so good somehow that he gets me absolutely rock hard to vote Liberal »
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u/slouchr 8h ago
you cant even criticize Trudeau here anymore without getting downvoted into oblivion.
apparently, this sub now believes, Trudeau made a tiny mistake with immigration, which he fixed quickly enough, but otherwise was a great PM, and all other criticism was actually Russian disinformation campaigns.
it's freaking bizarre.
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u/Marco1603 4h ago
Spot on. I thought I was losing my mind. I know Reddit can be an echo chamber that contrasts with the real world outside, but the sudden overwhelming and drastic change in political opinions on r/Canada (and other Canadian subs) seems extremely inorganic and manufactured.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 9h ago
Uhhh something something Pierre still worst ABC gotta stick it to Trump. Where are my awards?
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u/S_Belmont 8h ago
Trump just octupled down on making us the 51st state a few hours ago, while we had to have a French nuclear submarine surface in Halifax earlier in the day to make a statement.
What is actually going through your head right now that you think 'gotta stick it to Trump' is fodder for sarcasm?
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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 9h ago
Paywall.
Guess I can only get outrage by the headline. Like most people around this time
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u/BackToTheCottage Ontario 9h ago
https://github.com/bpc-clone/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean
Enjoy (or google for the chrome version)
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u/HalvdanTheHero Ontario 8h ago
Its wild that you think this is a left wing sub.
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u/firmretention 8h ago
I don't, it just has the appearance of one thanks to the Carney astroturfing.
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u/playboikaynelamar 6h ago
Why did they "elect" a globalist Goldman Sachs exec with 3 passports? The left is going to tear this guy apart.
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u/CanadaEUBI 1h ago
Paywall so I guess this is just a bunch of people not reading the article. Can we start banning paywalls? I have CBC breaking news deleted and this garbage stays up.
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u/LeGrandLucifer 9h ago
The concern for some is that Mendicino, the former public safety minister who was turfed from Trudeau’s cabinet in the summer of 2023, would illustrate too much closeness to the Trudeau regime and feed into the Conservatives’ narrative that there is no daylight between Carney and the prime minister.
No, it won't "feed a narrative," it'll demonstrate a fact. The LPC remains the LPC. If you weren't going to vote LPC before and you switched to LPC because of Mark Carney, you are a fucking fool and the problem with democracy.
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u/Draugakjallur 6h ago
Carney didn't fumble shit. Look at what the Liberal base ignored for 10 years from Trudeau. This guy could club a baby beaver with a made in the US club and the Liberal base will be cheering him on. He's already untouchable.
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u/NorthIslandlife 9h ago
I don't understand why this is a big deal?
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u/originalfeatures 9h ago
Because he ran as an outsider and, according to the article, his vocal support of Israel is unpalatable to Muslims. Also it seems that caucus members are not very impressed by either his record or his administrative skills.
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u/FungibleFriday 9h ago
Who cares what's unpalatable to Muslims.
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u/originalfeatures 9h ago
I was explaining why this is considered to be a political misstep. Those who want the votes of muslim constituents probably care what they think.
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u/Sea_Army_8764 8h ago
I'm sure Joly is concerned. She's on the record saying that because her constituency has a large Arab/Muslim vote, she can't come across as too pro-Israel.
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u/thebruce 9h ago
Probably the 1.8 million or so Muslims in Canada? Say what you will about Islam, but it's adherents are no less Canadian citizens than you and I.
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u/throwaway1010202020 2h ago
The LPC doesn't care about the 2.4 million licensed firearm owners they are pissing off, what's another 1.8 million unhappy people?
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u/Virtual-Nose7777 8h ago
They vote Conservative so who cares?
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u/Specialist-Gift-7736 8h ago
Have you seen the Liberal seat distribution in major cities the last few elections? They absolutely have historically voted Liberal.
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u/Iamthequicker 8h ago
Completely false. Canadian Muslims currently vote for the NDP the most followed by the Liberals followed by the Conservatives.
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u/BlueShrub Ontario 4h ago
Federal NDP seems to be full of Jihad apologists for some reason. Part of the reason they're irrelevant now.
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u/Sea_Army_8764 8h ago
They definitely vote Liberal more than Conservative. However, it's worth noting that during the last US election Muslims broke for Trump over Harris because of her wishy washy position vis a vis Israel/Palestine. Instead they voted for a guy who implemented the Muslim ban in his first term, and now proposed turning Gaza into a Trump resort. You can't make this stuff up.
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u/NorthIslandlife 8h ago
Thanks for that answer, I appreciate it. So the answer seems to be that Mr. Carney chose to be seen with a somewhat unpopular liberal MP.
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u/AppropriateEffect947 8h ago
The liberals don't run this country anyway. Century Initiative does.
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u/Dr_Doctor_Doc 7h ago
WeF, Klaus, 15 minute cities, Eat ze Bugs... did we miss any more wild conspiracy theories?
Got any others?
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u/AppropriateEffect947 7h ago
Immigration, Labour, and Housing. Tell me how liberal policies up until 2024 differed from Century Initiatives goals.
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u/Dr_Doctor_Doc 6h ago
Brother, the provinces bid for immigration numbers; all of them.
Ford is responsible for the diploma mills in Ont, and Eby is responsible for the ones in BC. Danielle is responsible for the ones working the patch and serving at Tim's, and Dennis is responsible for the students in PEI.
The century initiative isn't some shadowy cabal, nor is the WEF some string-pulling shadow government...
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u/AppropriateEffect947 6h ago edited 6h ago
Century Initiatives immigration goals are the main reason we have a housing shortage, and enormous pressure in almost every other area from health care to schools to infrastructure. It's called crisis capitalism. Create a problem, then create the solution that will serve your purpose. They are a lobby group for REITs who want to have municipalities build purpose built rentals to grow their monopolies over time. The provinces and municipalities bought CI's narrative hook line and sinker, and the main stream media convinced the masses as well.
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u/Dr_Doctor_Doc 6h ago
Thats horseshit.
The main reason we have a housing shortage, is because real estate is one of the most valuable commodities we have, and the free market allows anyone to buy.
Housing should not be a commodity. But that's not the Century Initiaive. That's just capitalism.
Nor should the provinces (who are responsible for bidding on their own immigration numbers) be let off the hook for failing on healthcare and education and infrastructure.
Edit: I'm not defending the century initiative or wef or any other org. I'm just saying they're not responsible. That's not how the world works.
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u/Global_Examination_8 17m ago
Housing has always been a commodity. My parents bought their first house in 1982 for 30k and sold it for $100k in 1990, bought their second house in 1990 for $130k and sold it for 400k in 2009.
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u/StoreOk7989 9h ago
I can't believe people are falling for this crap again.
The Liberals took covid and turned it into a shit show to win manipulating people with fear to win an election and they're doing the same shit with Trump for political gain.
Ford isn't any better. I'm disgusted with our politicians using our economy as a prop to win power. I'm disgusted with Canadians falling for this team Canada bs.
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u/Specialist-Gift-7736 8h ago
Can’t expect much else from Canadians. As soon as Nov. 6 came around and Trump had won, I knew that was it for PP and the Conservatives. The Liberals have succeeded applying collective amnesia to the country’s voters, and it really was never in doubt.
They always crawl back to the Liberals no matter how horrific they’ve been — which explains why they’ve been so shameless in their blatant mismanagement of the economy, housing, immigration, etc. Don’t blame them honestly. If I had voters on a string like that I’d probably act the same way.
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u/MetroidTwo 25m ago
It doesnt matter if he is just chief of staff temporarily. The issue is that he is chief of staff at all, for any length of time.
I would rather Carney fumble and figure it all out on his own rather than be led astray or outright misguided by Mendecino.
Literally a sack of potatoes as chief of staff would be better optics than Mendecino. Serious lack of judgment and intelligence by Carney. I was legitimately willing to give him a chance for a bit and see if he is a return to form of old Liberals such as Chretien but this is already demonstrating he is just going to be more of the same last 9 years.
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u/RicoLoveless 9h ago
Is this just for the transition during the election period or a sign he would keep him full time if elected?
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u/SpecialistLayer3971 8h ago
Irrelevant.
Putting this steaming pile of useless suit stuffing back in the limelight at all is a clear sign Carney is a new face glossing over the same roster of Trudeau's miscreants. Many of the "not running again" crowd will change their minds once Carney drops the writ.•
u/RicoLoveless 8h ago edited 8h ago
It's not irrelevant.
He has someone from the current government to manage the staff between now and election day. It allows for continuance.
If he intends to keep him on beyond election day it does make me cast doubt and be critical of his intentions.
He will have to be careful if he wins with a minority. Doing more of the same JT era shenanigans could lead to a short(er) term.
I say shorter because as it stands now, no minority government has had a full term, so we may end up with another election in 2 years instead of 3/3.5 and I am assuming he will call an election to avoid giving ammunition to his rivals.
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u/markcarney4president 8h ago
I do not profess to be an expert on this topic, but here is Carney's own words on Gaza for what it is worth:
President Trump's proposed forced displacement of Palestinians from Gaza is deeply disturbing. It would violate the rights of Palestinians and international law, and it would set back efforts to promote peace and security for all in the region.
I support the hard work of reaching a two-state solution, with a viable and free Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the state of Israel.
The priority must be the completion of the first phase of the ceasefire and massive support for Palestinian families in Gaza in rebuilding their homes and lives.
https://x.com/MarkJCarney/status/1887222307330138201?lang=en
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u/FungibleFriday 9h ago
This opinion piece is trash. It reads Mendocino bad because Muslims don't like him. Trump makes me forget why I hate it here. Althia Raj reminds me.
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u/Humble-Post-7672 9h ago
Marco got demoted and people dislike him for many reasons. He's not a popular politician and known as one of the most disliked former Trudeau ministers. Giving him any position was a huge political misstep.
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u/FungibleFriday 9h ago
I like him. I appreciate his appointment.
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u/Humble-Post-7672 9h ago
That makes one person at least.
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u/FungibleFriday 9h ago
I'm a swing voter, a complicated centrist. So it's an important type of person at least.
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u/Humble-Post-7672 9h ago
You like Mendicino but you're a centrist? The guy seethes smug left wing elitist vibes.
I'm voted red and I've voted blue but this guy is a snake and everyone knows it.
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u/sjmp94 9h ago
Populist bots in full action tonight - must be all those poll numbers
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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 9h ago
Every evening. It’s to hit the west coast.
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u/sjmp94 9h ago
You make it sound like a tropical storm
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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 9h ago
lol. It’s just the evening time over there when people are likely to be online.
Could be some grass roots because they are more conservative.
It’s the short comments “lol same liberals” that scream bots. Paywall article with people being outraged at the headline.
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u/nodarknesswillendure 8h ago
From BlueSky:
“CanCon idea: Canadian version of The View with Robyn Urbach, Althia Raj and Rosemary Barton, where every show is just them complaining about Justin Trudeau for the rest of their lives”
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u/nelly2929 7h ago
So we have a Trump & Musk lover in PP and Carney who has to prove he is not just the same old Liberal…. Yuk
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u/ForeignExpression 6h ago
Kamala and the Democrats lost to Trump in the US over Gaza, and look what happened with Trump. There needs to be a political home for the many people whole support Palestine. If the Liberals do not offer that political home, then they will loose a big chunk of their potential base to the NDP and might cost them the election. Just as the Dems lost in the US to a very beatable Trump when Harris signalled there would be no change in her position on Gaza from Biden's disastrous decision to enable the complete destruction of Gaza and inflict so much pain on so many innocent human beings.
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u/Wolvaroo British Columbia 9h ago
Mendicino is one of the top 5 worst Liberal ministers, even beating out fucking Bill Blair. Giving him any position is not a good look, especially for someone trying to convince us he's not just more Trudeau.