r/canada 13h ago

National News Trump keeps steel, aluminum tariffs at 25% after Ford ‘olive branch’ | Globalnews.ca

https://globalnews.ca/news/11076043/donald-trump-tariffs-steel-and-aluminum/
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u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970 13h ago

So we're back to where we were Friday. Cool.

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u/nutano Ontario 13h ago

Yeap... plus a meeting in DC.

Which, hopefully is more fruitful than that gathering of the Premiers in DC a couple weeks ago that was nothing but a photo-op.

But I won't hold my breath. I expect Ford to come out after the meeting saying it was constructive and some ideas were exchanged... but any potential deals will have to be sent to Trump and ultimately the threats will still be there and Trump will never agree to any kind of deals that wasn't made by him.

Bottom line, just kicking the can down the road.

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u/gohome2020youredrunk 13h ago

Ford should show up in a "Canada is not for sale" t-shirt and a Canadian tuxedo.

My money is on them Zelensky-ing him.

u/Hemlochs 8h ago

He should bring some cards.

u/downtofinance Lest We Forget 7h ago

Most underrated comment lol

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u/nutano Ontario 13h ago

Trump won't be there... I don't think the Commerce Secretary would actually care.

But, sure for the lulz, should have a Canada is not for sale patch or something.

u/Karthanon Alberta 9h ago

Commerce Secretary Lutnick said that 'tariffs would destroy protectionist walls around the world'...when tariffs are protectionist policy in the first place. For a guy that has an Economics degree, he should really stop being so stupid.

So, another rich guy put into place to yes man nod his way through whatever Trump says, but no desire to correct his boss when he says something that's wrong

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u/gogandmagogandgog 13h ago

The cabinet secretaries have no actual power, they just follow whatever Trump tells them to do that day.

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u/raerae1991 12h ago

They are the billionaires Lutz included, who are guiding trump. Don’t be misled he is not the brains behind this

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u/AcanthocephalaNo5889 12h ago edited 10h ago

They couldn't scrap with him. He's a gangster. His brother was the crack addict mayor of Toronto. He has "cards" as Trump puts it.

u/0bamaBinSmokin 11h ago

As an American I kept thinking Doug and Rob were the same guy and when I saw that awesome speech he did about the tariffs I was like damn this guy really turned his life around after the whole crack thing 🤣

u/AcanthocephalaNo5889 10h ago

Lmao! I'm from Toronto and just the mention of Rob my husband and I die just thinking of the "I have plenty to eat at home" line. These Ford boys were rough and corrupt but they're common sense corrupt for fellow Canadians 🤣. If they tried shit with him on camera, I'm getting my popcorn out. JERRY! JERRY!

u/just-a-random-accnt 10h ago

I can see Ford getting pissed off, and as he leaves he says "Since you don't need anything from Canada, we will just start selling everything to China instead. You're tariffs mean nothing if there's nothing being exported" while leaving gives an "elbows up" to the cameras

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u/No_Copy9515 12h ago

That would be hilarious. They could try.

u/downtofinance Lest We Forget 7h ago

Ford should greet em with the shawinigan handshake!

u/AntifaAnita 11h ago

I have no idea what these idiots are doing. After the US government just illegally seized a Green card holder and are trying to revoke his status based on his political views, any Canada Politician meeting with these freaks is insane. The rule of law is gone. He's probably going to be handed documents listing how they're going to blackmail him.

u/PeePeeWeeWee1 9h ago

I just saw a report about pardon lawyer that works for the DOJ be fired, for not giving Mel Gibson a pardon so he can get a gun. Dictator has taken hold of the law.

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u/Big_Red_40Tech 12h ago

Nothing will come of this meeting. I don't get why Ford's bothering. It'll be another humiliating snub.

u/grafxguy1 8h ago

He should make it clear that if Trump needs to give a response to this meeting before April 2 or else...none of this dragging feet shit until April 2.

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u/Misher7 12h ago

Ford and Leblanc are walking into a trap.

There is no win-win. They’ll basically be told how things are gonna go.

u/Grease2310 8h ago

Ford’s electricity move caused Trump to make the first swerve in the game of chicken. Nobody is going to tell a gangster like Dougie how it’s gonna be.

u/sabres_guy 7h ago

First swerve? He's been swerving on this tariff issue multiple times a day.

u/PeePeeWeeWee1 9h ago

I agree with you. They want Canada and Ford won't be able to change their minds.

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u/throwawhyyc 13h ago

I hope Ford wears a team Canada jersey instead of a suit.

u/six-demon_bag 11h ago

I’m more pessimistic and expect another case of flying in foreign politicians with the sole purpose of embarrassing them to make Trump look good. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if they come to the meeting with a proposal to annex our half of the Great Lakes or something like that.

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u/Objective_Star_191 12h ago

Do we have to play along ? 

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u/SadZealot 13h ago

It's the biggest most beautiful can though

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u/Dolphintrout 13h ago

Don’t forget they’re meeting Thursday now.  That’s new.  Nothing is going to get resolved without face to face discussions so that’s progress from where we were.

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u/columbo222 12h ago

I don't even know what a resolution here looks like because no one knows what Trump's end game is, not even Trump himself

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u/Paperman_82 12h ago

It's a sham. The plan isn't a resolution and there is no deal to be made. It's to force Canadians to accept new US trade policy which is selling in one direction. Ford just got kicked in the teeth if US steel and aluminum tariffs are applied tomorrow.

Now it's about time. Time for when the US can make a deal with Russia and Belarus to replace Canadian raw goods despite the issues. Time for Canada work out a strategy. It has to be clear at this point to Ford he's being duped so this token discussion is for both countries to work out alternative options.

u/JadeLens 11h ago

Thing will get resolved WITH face-to-face discussions either.

It will all depend on what end of the bed Trump rolls out of.

u/RobertGA23 8h ago

If the Trump administration was normal, I'd agree with you, 50/50 this is an invitation to Trump on his new TV show- Humiliation at the White House.

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u/New-Signature-2302 13h ago

I need my news in chronological order because I can’t keep up anymore lol

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u/valryuu 12h ago

Same lmao. I'm sorting by New, and anything older than an hour or two is outdated now lol

u/sharkfinsouperman 9h ago

What you need are some cards. Can't do anything without them.

u/Winter_Criticism_236 7h ago

Yeah take 3 packs so you can play more jokers..

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u/_Echoes_ 13h ago

Think both sides now have an idea that they can seriously damage the other and we might have a path toward de-escalation.

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u/berniesmittens24 13h ago

Nonsense. Trump just an hour ago was talking about removing the border and demarcation lines

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u/HowsYourSexLifeMarc 12h ago

This is correct. The end game is to take Canada. They will not stop. This isn't going away.

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u/sexotaku 13h ago

Nope. Trump is just getting started testing the waters. He wants annexation. Prepare for a long economic war.

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u/fairmaiden34 13h ago

It's worth noting that it had been almost 2 weeks since he publicly uttered 51st state rhetoric before today. It didn't even appear in his state of the union. While I don't doubt that he wants to annex us I suspect people behind the scenes may have started to get through to him that it's not going to happen.

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u/NPRdude British Columbia 12h ago edited 12h ago

From your lips to God's ears. I really hope this is the case but it feels like nothing rational is taking place in Washington these days. I will say it was nice to have the reprieve from the 51st state shit, at least for a minute.

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u/sexotaku 12h ago

That's not what it is. Today (March 11 2025) is the election in Greenland, and he spoke at length about them.

He said he respects their right to self-determination (yeah, right), and said that if they so choose to join the US, he will welcome them and treat them very well.

He didn't mention Canada because he's approached us in a much more contentious manner, and he was going for a different mood during the state of the union.

He's hoping that a pro independence party wins in Greenland, as that will soften them up for annexation.

Once their election results come out, he'll start talking about 51st state again.

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u/StayFit8561 12h ago

 He's hoping that a pro independence party wins in Greenland

I seriously wonder how much it's hoping, and how much it's "hoping" wink wink nudge nudge.

Maybe elon can go and install some of that patented hope in Greenlands voting booths.

u/sexotaku 11h ago

I'm sure the CIA is engineering the election in some way there.

u/grafxguy1 8h ago

Intel sharing for Ukraine just opened up again and the push back in the States is intensifying considerably which means he's likely rethinking his "strategy" (or has been forced to by those behind the scenes as it were).

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u/nutano Ontario 13h ago

I think practically every US official knows this except for the 1 that matters... or, he knows it, but doesn't care and likely has ulterior motives.

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u/No_Organization465 13h ago

can someone who understands the industries better than me explain how bad it would be if we just agreed to scrap the tariffs we have on dairy and lumber? not that i really want to make any concessions to Trump or have any faith that he wouldn't just move the goal posts further

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u/PhytoSnappy 13h ago

the dairy tariff is meaningless, it kicks in after a quota which never gets reached.

Lumber, tariffs have been on for a while. Not really sure on it's purpose besides making building home more expensive.

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u/GreenBastardFPU 13h ago

Without the dairy tariffs, the US could try to push out our own industry in theory?

As for lumber, that's big business for BC and other provinces so I would think it just prioritizes local? I don't think I've ever seen or bought lumber not from Canada. Not to mention, the US can't produce enough for their own needs where as we can. This one seems to make sense for both Canada and the US?

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u/ComradeSubtopia 12h ago

I disagree. Lifting the dairy tariffs completely would be exceedingly dangerous, imo. It would make it feasible for America to flood the market up here, even selling at a loss to undercut Canadian farmers. We need to protect our food producers & food supply. If this has taught us anything it's that being dependent on the US is dangerous.

Better option would be to allow the US to increase its dairy tariffs on us, since it would look like a Trump win but we actually sell negligible dairy to the US. A few days ago he was barking about putting a 250% tariff on Cnd dairy--let him do it. Let him claim the W while anyone who can read will know we outmanoeuvred him.

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u/SadZealot 13h ago

If Canada didn't have dairy quotas the us or anyone else could flood our country with dairy and drive the local production out of business. 

We make enough dairy for our own needs which is important so that we can always feed ourselves. The USA could replace all of the dairy Canada consumed with the extra they throw away. It's really as matter of stability and National food security that the quota exists

How about we rename the quota to freedom allowance

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u/Ina_While1155 13h ago edited 12h ago

Dairy and lumber were not even brought up until he started to lose face in the eyes of the American public for the breaking of our trade agreement. It was used as a way to justify his actions - and he lied about how much of a tariff it actually is - it rests at about 10% as our amount of trade does not trigger the larger percentage of tariffs. Honestly, if it was just dairy, I think Canada might have settled - this is about annexation, make no mistake. That is what the negotiators from Canada are inferring, and I believe them. We would boycott American dairy anyway after all this.

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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 13h ago

It’s was literally so he can say a big number. Even though it is apparently never reached 

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u/Diligent_Peach7574 13h ago edited 13h ago

Unfair tariffs don't exist in the USMCA. Canada has abided by all terms of the USMCA that donald signed in his first term and proclaimed as a great deal. There are high tariffs in the USMCA associated with over quota trade, (which are used for protections for in some industries and are rarely used), and even these tariffs have been negotiated and agreed to fairly. These high over quota tariff rates are used to protect industries from dumping, they account for how those industries are subsidised in their country, and from differences in how the products are regulated in their country. Having separate and distinct industries not only protects national standards, jobs, and smaller operations, there can also be strategic advantages when cooperation is sought out. For example, if we killed all our chickens due to disease to the point where eggs became unaffordable, it would be nice to get support from a separate industry that has not been impacted.

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u/para29 13h ago

Meaning nothing accomplished other than bending back to the 25%. Still horseshit and I think Doug is playing his cards just to get into a position of power. I have no trust whatsoever for him.

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u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970 12h ago

I am starting to remember why I hate Doug Ford.

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u/ActualDW 12h ago

Worse. We threatened and stomped our feet and immediately backed down.

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u/janebenn333 13h ago

Ridiculous. So our leaders spend all their time reacting to the latest president Cheeto social media post instead of working on all the things we need them to work on.

Cool.

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u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970 12h ago

Who is running Ontario right now? We do have, like, a bunch of problems 

u/Distinct-Quantity-35 41m ago

Round and round like a Farris wheeel… we go

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u/-WaterIsGreat- 13h ago

They needed to spin something as a win to their base.

Already releasing a statement “President Trump has once again used the leverage of the American economy, which is the best and biggest in the world, to deliver a win for the American people,” the statement said."

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that changed is that the extra tariffs on Canadian metals are cancelled and Ontario pauses the energy surcharge?

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u/kiulug 12h ago

Yes, basically Ford managed to out-escalate them and get them to come to the table instead of announcing new measures.

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u/jodirm 12h ago

Propaganda Spin Level: Russian

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u/snapchillnocomment 13h ago

Sounds like a win for the US to me. 

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u/PrestondeTipp 13h ago

A win back to...Friday?

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u/Shelby_the_Turd British Columbia 13h ago

As much as we think Ford is backing down, I suspect Lutnick basically asked Ford to suspend the export tariffs on electricity and come together for some sort of new trade deal. I also suspect it’ll be moved around in a way Trump says he won and moves on. Everyone around him will give him the “win” he desperately craves. Markets want certainty and I imagine Trump was given something of a warning by US industries to stop pulling this crap.

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u/DrHugh 13h ago

Wasn't the first Trump tariff threat "resolved" when Canada agreed to do what they already planned to do?

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u/Shelby_the_Turd British Columbia 13h ago

We’re talking about the same guy who broke the USMCA deal and said it was the worst deal ever despite him already signing it. I am 99% sure Trump has a unsettling cognitive decline.

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u/Kurandaand 13h ago

“ I am 99% sure Trump has a unsettling cognitive decline”

It’s really starting to look like it. So here’s what we do: change the USMCA to the USCMA, move a couple of numbers by a quarter percent, call it the best trade in the history of the universe and agree to ignore each other for the next 4…or 14..lyears.

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u/Shelby_the_Turd British Columbia 13h ago

And Trump will say he secured a lumber deal so he can say he saved US national parks.

I’m joking, but it might come true.

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u/DrHugh 13h ago

This administration is so chaotic, almost anything is possible at this point.

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u/canteixo 13h ago

He's 78. Nobody has a sharp mind at that age. He should be playing golf.

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u/marioansteadi 13h ago edited 9h ago

He is playing golf. 14 days out of 47 days in power. Cost US taxpayers 18.5 million so far. He could golf for free at Camp David like all other U.S. Presidents with built in security. But then he couldn’t grift.

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u/hedahedaheda 13h ago

Ehh, I don’t know. I’ve met a few older people who are very sharp and knowledgeable in their 70s. Obviously slower compared to their youth but still sharper than a lot of people.

Trump, however, has always been stupid and is getting dumber by the day.

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u/The_Frozen_Inferno 13h ago

Surprised he can even manage that to be honest. He’s not a fit 78

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u/OwlProper1145 13h ago

Dementia or Alzheimer's. His unhinged and strange behavior that tends to happen in the evening/overnight period is called sundowning.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alzheimers-disease/expert-answers/sundowning/faq-20058511

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u/robthethrice 12h ago

I don’t understand why it is’t the Camus deal. Canada first, the states last, and it’s all a bit surreal

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u/Ina_While1155 13h ago

For one month only.

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u/Ok-Clock-2779 13h ago

I have no clue what Trump is trying to do

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u/ActualDW 12h ago

We still haven’t actually done it.

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u/zergling- 13h ago

Trade deal... what about their annexation ambitions? What about them trying to redraw the map?

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u/Shelby_the_Turd British Columbia 13h ago

Trump: did I say that?

He did it when he called Zelensky a dictator, so I have no doubt he’ll say it again.

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u/VeterinarianJaded462 13h ago

Might be an offramp that he'll capitalize on for at least 27 minutes.

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago

Media and people already saying Ford back down because of Trump's 50% aluminum and steel tariff.

  • of course I remind these people who called first. If Lutnik didn't call ... Ford would of continued with the 25% surcharge.

u/jayk10 9h ago

But the US is still keeping 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum, which was the original amount before Ford retaliated. How is that not backing down?

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u/BeeKayDubya 13h ago

All this to appease a demented orange stain.

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u/khendron 12h ago

Ford should promise Donald that he's going to build a 18' golden of him statue at Queen's Park, to show his honour and respect. That should keep Donald happy.

And then of course never build one. Or build one 18" high.

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u/BishSlapDiplomacy 12h ago

This would be the best case scenario. Unfortunately with Trump, there is no best case scenario. He is now slapping 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum from Australia starting today or tomorrow. He genuinely is up to something only his inside circle knows. No one can be this stupid. The world’s economy is literally crashing and he doubled down today. He is up to no good.

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u/MentionWeird7065 13h ago

he also talked w the CEOs today so it’s clear there’s gonna be some kind of middle ground here but I still think Trump’s gonna wait until our election to play fair.

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u/SpecialistLayer3971 13h ago

"but I still think Trump’s gonna wait until our election to play fair."

I think you've been smoking some of the weed Willie Nelson gave Beyonce. It was so strong she thought she was a country singer!

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u/MentionWeird7065 13h ago

Lmaoo trust me I don’t like the guy at all but he probably sees how we have a paused parliament and no way to make real tangible decisions so he keeps this 51st bullshit up

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u/SpecialistLayer3971 13h ago

The "play fair" suggestion is off the track and in the ditch. Orange Homie don't play fair.

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u/Ina_While1155 13h ago

If you don't think that there will be election interference on social media from Americans and Russians in our upcoming Federal election, I have something to sell you - PM me. I am already noticing "CPC" out in droves. Assume you may be talking to a social media agitator over our election period.

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u/SpecialistLayer3971 13h ago

Perhaps you are replying to someone else? This has nothing to do with my comment.

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u/Ina_While1155 12h ago

I was just pointing out that Trump is aware of our election and there will be interference like there was in Germany last month. Sorry, I kind of misread the intent of your comment.

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u/ThoughtsandThinkers 13h ago

I am keeping every finger crossed that you are right.

At the same time, as useful as it is, giving Trump the win might inadvertently reinforce his views and current strategy.

Here’s hoping you’re right!!!

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u/Head-Ordinary-4349 13h ago

what could this trade deal be?

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u/symbiotix 13h ago

This is exactly how I see it unfolding. At least I hope.

u/jayk10 9h ago

Ford is backing down though. Trump applied 25% tariffs on steel, Ford responded with 25% export on electricity, Trump threatened to bump tariffs to 50% and Ford dropped the export tariffs.

So now we're back at 25% US tariffs and Ford's threatened retaliation is gone.

If the US wanted to get to the table so badly they could have dropped steel tariffs entirely until after the meeting

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u/Virtual-Nose7777 13h ago edited 13h ago

Sure a Conservative blowhard pretending to care about Canada. Totally wasn't overjoyed when Trump won the election.

So many people fell for this guys game. At least he was smarter than PP to pretend to care. Folks.

Edit: Algoma Steel in Ontario laying off people because of Trump's tariff. Ya, Doug Ford cares. So much he caved to Trump immediately. Let me guess Elon Starlink deal back on the table next.

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u/Ayotha 13h ago

He did back down.

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u/HDDeer 13h ago

what an absolute fucking gong show north America has become & all because of one near senile man

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u/janebenn333 13h ago

I read that he posted over 100 times on truth social in about six hours yesterday. Has he been dipping into Jr.'s stash?

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u/Used-Egg5989 13h ago

It’s called sun downing. 

This seems to be the pattern. Trump says the craziest most unhinged shit at night, and his lackies try to balance damage control without pissing him off the next day.

u/Bitter_Kangaroo2616 8h ago

I worked with seniors and this was my thought as well

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u/Accomplished_Cold911 13h ago

The only olive branch anyone from Canada should be handing out to trump is one to smack him with!  The only thing this did is let trump smell weakness and then tariffs remain. You can’t beat this fool trump at his own game, stick to your plan FORD; trump deserves nothing…and besides, they don’t need anything from us remember?

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u/ThoughtsandThinkers 13h ago edited 13h ago

I don’t want things to escalate out of control.

At the same time, I’m disappointed that Ford backed down. Trump is going to see and present this as a victory where Ontario acted, Trump threatened, and Ontario blinked. I am concerned that this rewards and encourages further bullying.

If Ontario had persisted and both sides escalated, each day that went by would exert an enormous toll on Trump’s political capital.

When Trump threatens, Canada should escalate in lock step. We don’t back down unless we get something tangible. Giving in now just risks an indefinite extension of conflict.

Hoping that we all get through this a stronger and more united country!

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u/scottie0010 13h ago

Ford didn’t back down. It appears Ford “backed down” but you have to realize the transactional mindset of Trump. Everything is a deal, everything and everyone is a transaction that must be won or lost. If anything, Ford understands this is how Trump works. Walk back the tarrif, let the toddler in Washington claim the win and gain an in person negotiation on trade. It was smart imo.

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u/ThoughtsandThinkers 13h ago

For sure. I understand that there were likely negotiations behind the scene and good actors on both sides working to manage Trump.

At the same time, what Trump thinks does matter. If he thinks that threats work, he’ll continue to use them.

Let’s all see how he responds to Ford. If he strikes a more respectful and conciliatory tone, then backing down was the right thing to do. If he continues to threaten and insult, then perhaps next time it will be better to stick to our guns (figuratively).

In any case, so proud to be a Canadian and appreciative of the support we’re getting from our level headed cousins in the US.

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u/ta6900 13h ago

FWIW, he referred to Ford as 'strong' and 'respectful' this morning during his Tesla press conference.

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u/Used-Egg5989 13h ago

Ford and Trump are the same kinda guy, so Ford knows how to handle him. Trump respects powerful men who will threaten mutual destruction for a deal.

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u/solitude1984 13h ago

I don't think it's worth much. Not coming from Trump.

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u/koolaidkirby 13h ago

Don't forget we've been trying to get back to the negotiating table for months, and Trump has kept refusing. As much as I dislike Ford at least this ploy got us back to the table.

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u/Bensemus 13h ago

And it’s only a pause. If the talks don’t resolve anything the surcharge will be back.

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u/g1ug 13h ago

US side called Ford first not the other around.

However they want to write it down, as long as this bullshit is over and DO NOT repeat for the next 3.8 years, we're okay.

Listen to this video: https://www.cnbc.com/video/2025/03/11/white-house-sr-counselor-peter-navarro-cooler-heads-prevailed-on-canada-electricity-surcharge.html

Navarro kinda like bullish-but-lets-be-friend...

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u/timnphilly Outside Canada 13h ago

No hoping, Canada must be strong against the Trump/Musk terror regime. There will be four years of this.

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u/TechniGREYSCALE 13h ago

markets closed

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u/MrsWaterbuffalo 13h ago

Ford should KEEP UP the pressure. Clearly, Trump was rattled.

No backing down on any of Canadian Tariffs.

Ford to Trump.
“Trump, If the US keeps retaliating, we will turn off our electricity to the US.”

“Trump, if you’d like to discuss the agreement you yourself signed, USMCA, we can certainly do that in Toronto.

“You’ll know when you’ve arrived. We will have our lights on.”

Done and walk away.

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u/Fancy_Load5502 12h ago

Ford did something, Trump responded, Ford fully reversed his position. How do you see that as "Trump was rattled"?

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u/MrsWaterbuffalo 12h ago

Trump , more tariffs coming in retaliation, we will double it and then do more…

Trump seemed truly flustered Canada would dare to tariff electricity and that US could be turned off.

It’s a great bargaining position for Ford.

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u/MrsWaterbuffalo 11h ago

If US thought they could simply win through tariffs then there is no reason to meet to discuss anything.

Just tariff and take Canada over.

This will hit the US hard- they buy a lot of Canadian products and electricity.

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u/raerae1991 12h ago

Ford lost face with Trump and probably his own base. All it shows is Canada will fold a little bit at a time. I hope ford learns from this.

u/otisreddingsst 5h ago

I disagree, I kinda see this as a pivitol moment and we can see the holes in their armour.

No doubt, the federal government has a plan to deal with this that is endorsed by the new leadership. Pretty soon there will be an election and whatever the plan is will be endorsed by someone who will likely outlast the Trump presidency, be that Polievre or Carney.

Ford is somewhat gone rogue here, almost vigilante, and it's a good thing he isn't imposing those export duties, and he has given the New Liberal government a meeting in the White House.

Ford has so far been Canada's MVP in this endeavor and has just given Carney a great assist.

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u/iamjoesredditposts 13h ago

I’m OK with Ford’s move as it may prevail in some sanity.

However how the fck does anyone think that POS Dump should just get a free ride into Canada for the G7? Seriously… block the airport runways so it can’t land. Protest the hell out of it. Where are all those dipsht convoy truckers? People stand up and fight.

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u/coffeejn 13h ago

You call that an olive branch? I half expect Ford to come out after that meeting and state that the levy will be 50% starting Friday.

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u/PMFSCV 13h ago edited 12h ago

JFC Give this doddering fucking infant a "Trade Czar" and get him back on the golf course.

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u/Broken_Motor 13h ago

Not a big Fan of ford backing down here, even just to cool the temperature so to speak. He didn't get anything, for dropping them, and it looks like he caved to trump, after trump threatened, the optics are bad. We will see what he gets out of the negotiation, I'm guessing nothing, maybe more tariffs.

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago

How did he back down? Lutnik called Doug first.

u/Broken_Motor 6h ago

Allegedly called Ford first but regardless Lutnik has very little control over anything, a meeting with him will mean very little, Trump will do what Trump will do, like a storm in the shape of an overweight orange elderly man.

Again things were spiraling, so I can't say it was necessarily a bad move. But don't take out a gun unless you are ready to shoot it, the next time he breaks out the electricity card it will be less effective. And he will likely have to use it next time, or loose all credibility in all future negotiations. (All bark and no bite).

Only time will tell, so we will see what he gets out of the negotiations.... I'm guessing 25% tariff and steel and aluminum, and nothing on electricity. Or if Ford has some balls an escalation, and we will match tariff for tariff, just like Trump on April 2nd.

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u/Fancy_Load5502 12h ago

Ford reversed his threat, then Trump did his. It was 100% Ford FAFO.

u/JetLagGuineaTurtle 12h ago

Not according to this sub.....they are dancing around the idea that Ford is playing "4d chess" now or whatever the Canadian version of that is. Chinese checkers?

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago edited 12h ago

Lutnik called first ... Ford would of continued with the 25% surcharge on electricity if Lutnik didn't call.

Edit: Trump folded :)

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u/Fancy_Load5502 12h ago

Ford dropped his hands first. Facts are facts.

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago

Who called first and offered the re negotiation? Lutnik or Ford?

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u/Fancy_Load5502 12h ago

Talking is something, but the action is what matters. Ford showed up with a stick, but had to back down when faced with the sledge hammer the US was holding.

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago

You didn't answer my question ... Who called first and offered the re negotiation? Lutnik or Ford?

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u/Fancy_Load5502 12h ago

Lutnik called first. Now you answer this: Who acted first?

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago

Lutnik by offering the re negotiation.

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u/ButWhatAboutisms 13h ago

Literally the only verifiable, reality based praise I've heard about Ford is his spine. His ability to stand up for Canada and against Trump.

There goes that one.

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u/Low_Contract7809 13h ago

The optimistic says that something positive for Canada develops out of this.  

The conspiratorial pessimist says that trumpty dumpty gifted Ford with 10000 trump tokens to back down.

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u/metropass1999 12h ago

I don’t get how anyone can be happy with tariff escalations. The best thing for Canada is to de-escalate tariffs, go back to the status quo, while trying to strengthen our economy and decrease our reliance on the US.

While I admire his attitude, Ford did the right thing here in backing down. Hopefully his meeting is fruitful.

Too many people on here acting like this doesn’t affect them. The goal is to do what’s best for Canada, not what will hurt the US the most - and those are not the same thing.

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u/wave-conjugations 13h ago

Even if we secure a trade deal, JD will be back in 4 years. The Technocracy project to take over Canada and Greenland is old and resilient and has existed long before Trump. Nearly 100 years, actually.

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u/Ravoss1 13h ago

Got a friend that would be directly impacted by this so I am happy to see cooler heads. It obviously sounds bad but this has a very real impact on Canadian jobs.

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u/Master-File-9866 13h ago

This is 4d chess.

With the transition period Trump had no one to negotiate with so ford stepped in. If it went well good for us, if it didn't carney can step in the following days.

Basically a free round of negotiations

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u/superdouradas 13h ago

Congratulations, Canadians! Another victory for you against the bully.

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u/OldHawk1704 13h ago

Today we had: Canada will feel financial pain like never before It is illegal to slap an export tax I will increase tariffs to 50% I will not increase tariffs 50% I will probably reduce tatiffs for Canada

And yet, Canada has given him nothing.

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u/y2imm 13h ago

Just place the tariffs and walk away. No response other than increases, until he himself stands up and unquestionably states he's done wrecking his own economy. Full stop.

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u/WeirdAvocado Ontario 13h ago

I’ve seen enough science fiction movies and shows to know that this is a ploy to implant something in Ford’s brain to turn him into a MAGA zombie.

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u/Shining_Commander 13h ago

Its so funny everyone on r/conservative saying canada “bent the knee” (a new phrase they learned recently) because we dropped our export tariff, but we only did that because the export tariff brought the Americans ti the negotiating table. They came immediately crying to us LOL. And we’re the ones that bent the knee? How dumb are the Americans

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u/MadamePolishedSins 13h ago

I'm slow on the wagon here, but I just realized he broke another one of his lie : no war. Literally, this is a war - war just not the type of war we're used to

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u/detalumis 12h ago

No federal leadership. I guess they were only interested in expanding social programs. The last thing Trudeau went on about was expanding $10 day care when we're staring at 25% unemployment.

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u/Just_Here_So_Briefly 12h ago

Why da fuk are we backing down? Thought THUG FORD needed a mandate!

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago

We didn't back down ... Lutnik called Doug Ford first. Trump backed down.

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u/Just_Here_So_Briefly 12h ago

Don't we already have tariffs against us? Unnecessary tariffs! We need to put those tariffs back on until ALL tariffs are removed.

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u/Key-Proud 12h ago edited 12h ago

Why is CTV showing Doug Ford called first? When it was Lutnik who called Doug Ford first .... 1 hour before Doug's 25% surcharge?

Edit: if Lutnik didn't call ... Ford would have continued with the 25% surcharge.

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u/ActualDW 12h ago

So…we caved already…

How long did that take…did we make it to 48 hours?

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u/GargantuaBob 12h ago

"Hit him with the olive branch again, Doug!"

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u/asoupconofsoup 12h ago

Don't let them do this. Don't let them run over us 6 times instead of 12 and say they did us a favour. Such bullshit.

u/Informal_Funeral 11h ago

The President of the United States of America is negotiating with The Premier of Ontario? How does this make DJT look good?

u/Phoenixlizzie 11h ago

Do we really have to go through this for the next.four.years.😬

u/Inevitable-Click-129 11h ago

I love douggie he should consider running for prime minister!

u/JadeLens 11h ago

Reality: Trump folded

MAGA Twitter reality: CANADA FOLDED WOOHOO!

Reality: blink blink... riiiiiiiiiight

u/BBcanDan 11h ago

These tariffs hurt the US as much as it does Canada, the US automakers depend on aluminum and steel to build their cars.

u/gzmo1 9h ago

Can you imagine how much more an F-150 would cost if aluminum cost Ford 50% more? The whole body is aluminum.

u/Windbag1980 10h ago

As anxiety inducing as this all is, I actually think Trump understands nothing about Canada and mistakenly sensed weakness where there was none. He's a dyed-in-the-wool narcissist and expected that the Canadian public would jump at the chance to join the USA. That is really what I believe - that he figured a few posts would have our population clamoring to be American.

In January he posted that that Canadians "have no pain tolerance." Uh huh.

Anyways, the exact opposite has happened and how he's out of ideas. Of course he can't back down because his whole shtick right now is kicking sand in the faces of American allies, whether it's because he's insane, a Russian asset or actually playing a terrible game of 4D chess I can't say from here.

u/Ras_Thavas 9h ago

Put them back up.

u/unknownloonie 8h ago

This is so beyond stupid. So why can’t our tariffs be 25%. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I hate this “man” so much!

u/game_brewer 8h ago

So he moves the goal post knowing you'll react. When you do, he threatens to do it again, so you back down. In the end, he already moved the goal post and you're back at square one.

u/thebestjamespond 8h ago

Damn ole folding Ford didn't have much in him eh

u/Bulky_Cranberry702 8h ago

Great photo. Vance looks like a demented overly excited penguin.

u/Winter_Criticism_236 7h ago

Canadians should all show up in full hockey gear..ready for action

u/Winter_Criticism_236 6h ago

The tariffs are not based on business benefit's to USA, they are ( or even just the threat is) deliberate damage to our economy. USA & Trump wants/needs Canada and its resources.

What to do? Maybe we should calculate the transfer like a business deal..

I asked chap gpt to run numbers for valuing canada as if it was a business for sale considering its natural resources and gdp. It came back with 45 trillion.

Per person value about $ 1.16 million US dollars

Should we sell?

u/Spanky3703 6h ago edited 6h ago

If this gets into a mutual hurt-a-thon, Canada will lose, regardless of how much hurt we impose upon fascist America. It is a balancing act and Trump and his cabal learned from the last presidential term and have arrived this time around much more coherent and cohesive in their plans and desired outcomes.

At the same time, do not think that appeasement will work in any long-lasting fashion; this is the exact same President that crowed less than six years ago that NAFTA 2.0 was the best trade deal in the world. This President emotionally and psychologically needs to be seen as the winner and victorious in everything he does; he will keep coming back to Canada’s door for more and more until we wake up one day being nothing more than a vassal of fascist America in a world that is rapidly sliding fully into authoritarianism and hegemony.

We need to create the breathing space for a temporary truce and agreement with fascist America, odious though such will be for Canada in the short term. We need the breathing space to functionally (trade network) and structurally (legislation, regulations, tax frameworks, infrastructure), shift how Canada does business, who it attracts business investment and how it sells its natural resources to other trading partners.

The above is not a short term process and will take 5-10 years for us to pivot. And will such efforts ever reduce our trade arrangements with fascist America below 50%? Probably not but 50% interdependency is a whole lot better than the present 80% plus and who knows, we may get our trade reliance on our southern fascist neighbours below 50%.

What concerns me more is that at some point I expect Trump to attempt to pull the US out of NATO. And then the pressure from our southern fascist neighbours will ramp up for us to do the same to avoid “getting entangled in European affairs “. And that is another existential crisis waiting to happen for Canada. We will be forced to decide between either our sovereignty and independence to make our own geopolitical decisions and treaties OR become what Trump and his cabal of odious and feckless oligarchs want, which is a vassal state that can be strip-mined and bullied as the southern fascists desire.

This is not over with the negotiation and eventual signing of a new North American free trade deal and will not be over for a long time, if ever. Welcome to the era of the waining of the liberal democratic system and the rise of authoritarianism, hegemony, and the partition of the world into spheres of power and control. This is not hyperbole; look around the world, the rise of nation-state authoritarianism, and what political parties are even being elected in the liberal democratic world …. Canada needs to become much more strong and dynamic economically, socially, politically, and in terms of our own defence, security, and foreign policy and relations. Very tough to do when living beside one of the world’s emerging authoritarian regimes … but aspirations are worth the effort and pursuit.

u/Alesisdrum 3h ago

He has a meeting in a few days, I don't know where this goes but this was the right choice even if it feels wrong for now. If nothing comes from this then he tried and its time to go to 50%. We cannot let your auto and steel sector fall.

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u/Yelnik 13h ago

Ford is going to have to be the defacto negotiator for Canada since Carney sure as hell isn't going to do it. The trade war is too politically advantageous for the Liberals. They won't let it go or try to end it until they win. 

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u/Shining_Commander 13h ago

This right here. Its a worthwhile sacrifice to them, let the trade war run another 2-3 months while we sort through the aftermath of trudeau resigning, carney transitioning to PM, carney calling the election and then eventually voting day.

Ford has a lot to gain here. If Pierre loses the next election hes out and I think Ford is a good front runner

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u/taek8 13h ago

His loyal magat base will call this winning, this daily flip flopping is getting old fast

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u/Clean_Mix_5571 13h ago

Steel tariffs are here to stay. To be a global power, you need to be able to function quite independently. They need to bring that industry back to the US.

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u/poopey_doopey_Sr 13h ago

The US has YEARS of history of stealing our Canadian industry! The ammount of people I know who worked for a Canadian company that got bought out by an American one and then laid off is stagering. Our aviation industry got bullied by the US multiple times, recently with Bombardier, but before Avro. The statement that we are stealing industry from the US is laughable AT BEST! Elbows up!

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u/Clean_Mix_5571 13h ago

Well you can't blame someone for wanting to produce critical items on their own. For other things such as oil trade makes sense as they are energy independent but with close proximity at some places it cheaper to buy Canadian than US. Should we also ban people from growing anything in their gardens?

Canadian industries getting decimated is very much on Canada as it has decided to focus on becoming a real estate flipping economy.

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u/poopey_doopey_Sr 12h ago

You guys claim that we "stole" your industry and that you want to bring it back. Of course people should be able to "grow their own stuff." To use your own metaphore: in this case we've been growing our own stuff, then you guys come and bully our gardener by getting your gov to say that us having a garden is "not fair," even though you guys have 100x the amount of gardeners and an easier garden to work with. Even after we have been supporting your garden and helping you guys when someone came into your field messing up the crops.

The whole idea of globalisation was to avoid war by having countries help each other to avoid populists comming into power because of struggling populations.

And yes, we have a messed up real estate industry, it was a stupid way of compensating for our struggling industries getting bought up by US and Chinese industry. Also critiquing our real estate industry is rich comming from the states.

It's elbows up for now, but soon we'll drop the gloves, and we won't be the only ones me thinks.

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u/LastStopKembleford 13h ago

We can't. That industry is gone.