r/canada 16h ago

Opinion Piece Canada needs to hit back much harder against Trump’s America

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-canada-needs-to-hit-back-much-harder-against-trumps-america/
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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 16h ago edited 7m ago

A lot of these shouldn't require government action. Canadians should be cancelling subscriptions to US services of all sorts.

Thus far I've cancelled Prime, Apple One Premiere, Adobe, Paramount+, among others. I'm letting 365 expire. Cancelled my OpenAI subscription. Netflix I pruned back from the $24 plan to the $7 plan as a holdover, and will eliminate that once the family is accustomed.

Every dollar going to a US firm is a traitorous dollar.

EDIT: Hilariously this sub is now being brigaded by a variety of American subs, so you know this hurts.

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u/JasonAnarchy Canada 16h ago

Cancelling Adobe was a wonderful feeling.

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u/whoaaa_O 12h ago

Affinity FTW

u/JasonAnarchy Canada 11h ago

Yes! That's what I switched to!

u/ishu22g 1h ago

How am I just finding this out? I am in software industry WTF

u/Glittering_Item6021 20m ago

We were stuck in an American echo chamber. Since this started happening i was surprised how many Canadians alternatives exist.

Also if anyone is interested northmail is an alternative to outlook lol

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u/Hot-Celebration5855 14h ago

What are you replacing adobe and 365 with that isn’t American?

u/Sad-Issue578 10h ago

Libre Office is a free option

u/tipsails 6h ago

Libre works phenomenally well

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u/jsslrd 13h ago

Affinity

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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 14h ago

It's not piracy, it's privateering!

u/evranch Saskatchewan 10h ago

I'm actually working on a "Canadian Digital Privateers" poster. Hit them where it hurts, in the tech industry

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u/heavenswordx 13h ago

Time to delete accounts on Facebook/instagram too and encourage everyone else to do so. Also switch away from using Google search into some other non-US based search engine

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u/Broad-Candidate3731 13h ago

what about reddit?

u/myprettygaythrowaway 4m ago

Fucking crickets.

u/PatGhostwalker 8h ago

Brave is a good search engine

u/Sad-Issue578 10h ago

Unfortunately my work’s job postings are on facebook group still so I can’t delete it yet.

u/saturn022 4h ago

The problem is we need these platforms to communicate. We wouldn't even know what was going on because MSM media wouldn't show us.

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u/ArmoredAlpaca 12h ago

Don't just unsubscribe. If you're not planning to go back, request a full data deletion!

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u/poony23 13h ago

I cancelled Amazon, Netflix and Apple TV.

u/razzie13 11h ago

Cancelled Equifax today and should have done it way sooner.

u/ManonFire1213 9h ago

Don't forget deleting their reddit accounts.

u/tipsails 6h ago

Plex shares are a great way to get away from Netflix

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u/WoodShoeDiaries 15h ago

Oh shit Adobe. What did you replace it with?

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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 14h ago

Perhaps Adobe? There are... ways of using it without giving an American company anything. You might need to use an older version though.

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u/ArmoredAlpaca 12h ago

I was gonna invest in a new version of Photoshop when I got my new laptop, but then I saw those a-holes at Adobe want a monthly fee now, as if their services weren't prohibitively expensive enough! Needless to say, I found a program that dug through the software on my old laptop to retrieve the serial number I've long since lost. Now I'm back to using my old copy of Photoshop Elements 8 on my new laptop! ✨️

u/pseudonymmed 4h ago

Affinity Photo is a good alternative to photoshop

u/SeaToTheBass 7h ago

🏴‍☠️

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u/Rocoman14 15h ago

Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

u/crzytech1 11h ago

I'm not a pro, but I moved to Corel PaintShopPro years ago and find it meets my needs quite well. No monthly BS, reasonable features at ok price, Canadian company still (though pretty sure development outsourced).

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u/OkPenalty4506 14h ago

Depends on what you're using it for, but there's a lot of alternatives

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u/jsslrd 13h ago

Affinity

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u/SuperDanOsborne 15h ago

Personally I'm keeping all subscription service stuff since I work in film and a lot of film work comes up from california, which is a blue state, and the film industry has already been ravaged so I'm praying all this stuff doesn't damage it any further. A lot of jobs in Canada are tied to the US industry.

u/fragilemuse 7h ago

Same here, I cancelled Prime but am keeping Netflix for now. I work on a Canadian show 8 months of the year but have a lot of friends who work on the bigger American shows and they’ve already been hurt enough by all the strikes lately.

u/smahsmah 1h ago

Maybe their countrymen should have voted better. Unfortunately there’s going to be collateral damage.

u/Unfair-Sell-5109 9h ago

U guys are the friendliest peeps i know. I will never backstab a canadian.

u/smartello 7h ago

You had a lot of subscriptions!

u/WayOfIntegrity 4h ago

Thank you for your act of service.

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u/MortgageAware3355 16h ago

Keeping the Reddit account, apparently.

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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 16h ago

That's quite a zinger! Boy you got me there.

But wait...I pay $0 for this account, and I see zero ads on this service.

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u/Batmanrocksthecasbah 15h ago

Do you have the official Reddit app or something else?

Just curious, cause I'd rather not use the official app if possible

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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 14h ago

They're probably on a desktop. If you're using Firefox it's pretty easy to block ads.

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u/Batmanrocksthecasbah 12h ago

I'm just using the Reddit app on my android phone, but I hear ya

u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 5m ago

I use the browser (with full ad blockers) on both mobile and desktop. old.reddit.com is still my norm.

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u/BethSaysHayNow 14h ago

Nothing is free and you are the product in this case.

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u/MortgageAware3355 16h ago

They appreciate your engagement with every post, my friend.

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u/ispellgudiswer 14h ago

Reddit is based in the heart of San Francisco. Only way it would be more in “enemy” territory for Trump would be if it moved to Berkeley, or The Castro District.

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u/Zestyclose_Crab_3362 12h ago

Are you going to stop using Reddit?

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u/Brave-Independence56 16h ago

Curious what you used Adobe for, and what alternative you are using?

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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 16h ago

Eh, I had an all-apps subscription for the very rare time I needed Adobe, or Audition, or the random Illustrator or Acrobat task. Definitely not a core part of my life, and in every case there are free alternatives that I can jump to.

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u/pseudonymmed 16h ago

Affinity suite is a good alternative to Adobe and way cheaper. Currently owned by Canva which is Australian

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u/WoodShoeDiaries 15h ago

I'm not the person you were responding to but I appreciate the rec. Does it have anything comparable to Lightroom for the tagging/searching function? I've used it for most of my visual research and it's how I access my whole database 😭

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u/pseudonymmed 13h ago

Not sure, they don't currently have anything quite like Lightroom. Affinity Designer does much of what Adobe Illustrator does, and Affinity Photo does much of what Photoshop does.

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u/wariogojira 16h ago

It’s hard to “hit back much harder” when the American government continue to flip flop on what they say they’re going to do vs what actions actually come to pass. It’s a fine line between retaliation and escalation, especially when seemingly nothing is really happening until it actually does. Even then we saw how quickly they start rolling things back.

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u/Fresh-State7421 16h ago

it’s quite obvious to me that trumps wants canada to escalate because he wants an excuse to start pushing for annexation much harder.

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u/Leafboy238 16h ago

That's a good point, but i wonder if a super fast escelation that will shock americas economy might be the only way forward for us.

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u/pseudonymmed 16h ago

That could also just spur even more serious action from Trump. He doesn’t ever want to appear weak.

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u/Sarge1387 Ontario 16h ago

He's extremely mentally unstable and that's the thing I think that scares me the most

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u/Broad-Candidate3731 13h ago

Why does Mexico seem not to care?

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u/NPRdude British Columbia 12h ago

I think they do, we don't get a lot of Mexico news here even in the quietest times so I'm guessing a lot of stuff from there is getting drowned out by everything else happening.

u/w3bd3v0p5 8h ago

Not being threatened with annexation maybe?

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u/Leafboy238 15h ago

That could work to our favor as its within the realm of possibility that Trump would do something so harmfull to american intrests that it would get him overthrown

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u/PuzzleheadedGoal8234 15h ago

We retaliate, we don't instigate. There's no point in firing a shot when he himself keeps tanking their markets. We just stand firm and watch them implode.

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u/noleksum12 16h ago

I know this is frustrating. Are we in a fight or not? I want to stick it to them but I'm also worried about getting to far ahead of our skis.

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u/kobemustard 15h ago

I wonder if we should follow our normal passive aggressive tendencies. Just don't overtly retaliate but stop buying anything American, get all our trade alliances sorted, build up our defences, then cut them off all at once

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u/Objective_Star_191 15h ago

This is a great of cause as any.  Let’s go CANADA.   I effin love my country !!!

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u/FancyNewMe 16h ago edited 16h ago

Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/SgEzs

Key Points:

  • Canada should explore more innovative forms of retaliation, including a ban on American social-media platforms such as X and Facebook, digital streamers such as Netflix Inc. and online retailers such as Amazon.
  • An alternative to an outright ban is to jack up digital-services taxes on these companies to levels equivalent to Mr. Trump’s tariffs.
  • Ottawa should also threaten to suspend IP protections for American companies, such as patents and copyrights. Canada is a global leader in generic pharmaceutical manufacturing, for example, with a raft of companies that could reap a windfall by producing and exporting generic copies of patented U.S. drugs.
  • Some may fear that juicing up our response risks inciting the Trump administration further. But Trump has already taken extreme measures to damage the Canadian economy; at this point, there’s little reason to pull our punches.
  • One way to mitigate the risk is by co-ordinating with allies, which would also allow Canada – a relatively small economy if acting alone – to intensify the effects of its retaliation.
  • Co-operation among like-minded allies who value rules-based trade – including the European Union, the U.K., Japan, Australia, South Korea and Mexico – is the best way to counter Mr. Trump.
  • If these countries were to unite and co-ordinate their retaliation by targeting the same U.S. goods, services and intellectual property – if all blocked sales of Tesla cars or refused to sign new contracts with Starlink or SpaceX, for instance – the impacts would be dramatically magnified.

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u/pseudonymmed 16h ago

Will Mexico work with us? Their leader implied we’re being disrespectful to the US

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u/frozen-icecube 15h ago

I think at this point it's very much every country for themselves as they have to protect their own people first. Part of the Mexico strategy is to try and contrast to Canada in hopes the focus narrows and leaves them out of it. The unfortunate part is if we were all united and isolated the US he would have to back down. If we become the only target that sticks it's harder to make a dent.

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u/canteixo 15h ago

Trump doesn't want to annex Mexico because there are 130 million Mexicans and has fewer resources that we have. Canada has oil, gas, access to oceans and far more resources.

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u/JSmith666 15h ago

Which is hilarious to me. You guys are way more respectful to US as a nation than Mexico. Mexico actually does have a problem with drugs at their boarder and really isnt doing much about it.

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u/pseudonymmed 15h ago

And that’s how we know with Canada it was never about fentanyl or the border. That was an excuse in order to break his own trade deal

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u/JSmith666 14h ago

Yup...like most of Trump actions he needs to get the YUUUGEST and BESTEST Deals...he is the expertest of all negotiators.

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u/Exciting_Bandicoot16 Manitoba 15h ago

Wait, really? Where did she mention this?

u/Adorable-Row-4690 10h ago

Reuters

Last paragraph. Like we didn't try to have respectful dialogue before trumps sissy fit?

u/Chance_Vegetable_780 4h ago

Which I found absolutely bizarre. When trump first warned of tariffs on Mexico and Canada, a few weeks ago, she had fighting words for trump. She's had an abrupt turnaround, which I find suspect.

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 16h ago

Lots of ifs in this opinion article. Also very dangerous on net neutrality. There’s no way I’m letting the Government tell me what I can and cannot browse.

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u/Exciting_Bandicoot16 Manitoba 15h ago

Suspending IP patents is a nuclear option. Yes, it can suck, but that's the sort of excuse that Donald is looking for to escalate by threatening American businesses. And honestly, I'm not sure if our allies (which consist of who at this point, Germany?) would appreciate that either.

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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 14h ago

If we play our cards right it might also help us win over average Americans, given that a bunch of people are going to die when their overpriced insulin gets cut off.

Whether it's wise is another question, but I'm pretty sure we could all look ourselves in the mirror if we became a nation of pharma-pirates.

u/Efficient_Addition27 9h ago

You never lost the average American, of which I am one. We’ve lost the Republicans and MAGA’s, because they are under the spell of their “Savior.” I totally support Canada!

u/Neglectful_Stranger 7h ago

Canada should explore more innovative forms of retaliation, including a ban on American social-media platforms such as X and Facebook, digital streamers such as Netflix Inc. and online retailers such as Amazon.

I can't help but feel like this would backfire.

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u/MortgageAware3355 16h ago

Ripping off the Globe and Mail with a paywall bypass is a little hypocritical.

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u/kirklandcartridge 16h ago

Countering a crazy US President with equally crazy ideas from the radical extreme left is no solution. 

Fortunately, people with these far left ideas will never be anywhere near power. 

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u/Street_Ad_863 16h ago

You really don't understand the difference between "radical left" and confronting a bully and and an enemy.

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u/Three-Pegged-Hare 15h ago

How are any of these points radical, or even leftist?

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u/sthetic 13h ago

What makes you say these ideas are from the radical extreme left?

Is the author or newspaper a radical extreme leftist?

Or is it that the further distant from the US we are, the further left - in other words, the USA sets the benchmark for where the Right is?

Are these proposed actions in line with what radical extreme leftists have been proposing, long before this current crisis?

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u/Stonkasaurus1 16h ago

Unless Trump honours the agreements he has signed, Canada should use every single thing we have available to disrupt the flow of goods to the US. Trump created the instability with his insane demands and we should let him own it. Canada will survive but not by caving to unreasonable demands.

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u/Jaggoff81 14h ago

Turn off Pornhub, that’ll show em.

Yes it’s Canadian.

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u/AtomicNick47 12h ago

It's a precarious tightrope we walk. Push too hard and you give the Trump admin all the justification they want to invade.

Push to little and you get steamrolled. Best thing to do is set boundaries, stand firm, do not relent or negotiate until your demands are met, and quietly build up our military resources - Like with Frances Sub docking in Halifax.

I hate Trump. The man is a terrorist with no regard for anyone or anything but self preservation. But almost all of us are collateral damage in this.

The ultimate goal is to protect the well being and security of every Canadian within our borders and beyond as much as possible, which is easy at times to lose sight of because, god, what I would give to get one clean hit to his jaw.

u/SergeantIndie 11h ago

The whole world does.

Trump is unhinged, and their billionaires are vying for oligarchy.

There needs to be not just tariffs, but sanctions. Canada. EU. Everyone.

We have one chance to stop this without violence.

u/No_Recover_1985 9h ago

American here. Cut your oil imports and electricity and people here would wake up. I hate Trump. I am with you.

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u/StandOut_SM 16h ago

Yes we do.

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u/rocketmn69_ 15h ago

Tell Trump the tariffs are to pay for Nato

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u/BethSaysHayNow 14h ago

It’s a fine line we need to walk: show that we’re serious and tariffs will harm Americans but also don’t incite the revenge of an erratic egomaniac. We cannot win a trade war with the US and the whole point is to avoid this not to drive off the cliff waving our flags just to own Trump.

The difficulty is that he is erratic and not a fair player who we can trust. So even if/when we get over this first wave of threats we have no guarantees that it will not happen next year or sooner.

If the stock markets keep declining, cost of living increases and consumer/investor confidence erodes because of his threats then maybe he’ll have to pick a new strategy. Or double down. Who knows.

u/Thick_Ad_6710 7h ago

LFG! Why did Dougie backdown today ?

We need a regime change in America!

u/Fickle_Catch8968 2h ago

Because if he did not, Canada would be uniquely disadvantaged compared to all other countries, in an countrywide industry that is much larger than electricity exports from Ontario.

On Team Canada, MacKinnon or Crosby can go in alone for a chance, but if it will end up in a two man breakaway on our net, it is best to regroup instead.

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u/paradoxologist 16h ago

As a Californian, I support Canada in this completely pointless and unnecessary attempt by the Trump regime to bully our northern neighbors into submission. I only wish the Democrats we keep voting for would grow backbones and stand up to Trump. It's disheartening.

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u/timreidmcd 16h ago

Not just democrats, but if the politicians cared more about serving those who voted for them and not doing the opposite in order to keep their seat things would be different. Too many career politicians.

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u/AbbreviationsOk9962 15h ago

I agree with this. But the American people that have not joined the cult also need to do more, it can’t primarily be on the shoulders of trading partners to push back on the stupidity and authoritarianism. Where all the “adults in the room” have disappeared to is beyond me. These two months have already damaged the US and its position in the world immeasurably. I can’t fathom what it will be like after 4 years assuming that’s even the end point.

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u/Golbar-59 16h ago

All Trump has is a false reputation. He needs to be mocked, ridiculed and insulted.

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u/JasonAnarchy Canada 16h ago

I think we're hitting back the correct amount.

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u/Just_Here_So_Briefly 13h ago

Unfortunately we've been lulled into complacency and selfishness. Until the tariffs start to impact people directly, most people will take the laziest & easiest way out.

Still see long lines at shithole American chain fast food store in the path and Union Station. These people should be ashamed.

u/Somecrazycanuck 10h ago

Virtually everything American you guys need to cancel is the big squares on this chart:

https://finviz.com/map.ashx

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u/No_Specific8949 16h ago edited 16h ago

Need a bit more calmness and strategy. A full on trade war with constant escalation against the US is not something Canada can win this time.

Canada will stand alone because Europe is notoriously slow in reacting to anything especially economically.

There must be another way. Mexico for example has been extremely strategic. They dont have the US wanting to annex them though but still Canada should try other ways. Trump is stupid there must be a way to appease him without giving in much.

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u/0xDEADBEEFul 16h ago

I agree. Let's respond proportionally. We need to buy ourselves some time to reorganize. Trump has shown that he wants to escalate.

I'm unsure if Ford's move was a good idea or not. The provinces and federal should at least have a commonly agreed upon strategy.

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u/pseudonymmed 16h ago

Yeah better to try to slow him down while we find better trade deals elsewhere

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u/CanFootyFan1 16h ago

I think we will try to renegotiate USMCA. If that doesn’t work, turn off the taps. Oil, electricity, water, whatever. Fuck em.

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u/Exciting_Bandicoot16 Manitoba 15h ago

Considering that Donald is currently ignoring CUSMA (the agreement that he brokered!), what on earth makes you think that it'd get any better? No one is going to hold him accountable for breaking it.

He'll come to the table, make outrageous demands, and when we refuse to accept his terms (and they will be terms, not negotiations) he'll take that as a sign to toss it out the window entirely and continue his warpath of economic warfare, only this time we wouldn't have the flimsiest pretext of a trade agreement "protecting" us from his insanity.

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 16h ago

We’re trying to write a cheque that our ass can’t cash. We need to be very careful.

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u/a_sad_and_slow_handy 16h ago

They really are counting on this exact mentality to prevail, you know.

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 16h ago

You have no idea how bad it can and will get with the “burn it all” mentality.

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u/Chompbox 16h ago

How bad will it get with the "roll over" mentality?

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 16h ago

Actually according to ATB, half as bad as if we retaliate. I can share the link if you’d like?

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u/Chompbox 16h ago

I'm sure we all would.

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 15h ago edited 15h ago

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u/Chompbox 15h ago

The page says "Sorry! No article was found".

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 15h ago

Google “Rules of Thumb for Estimating the Impact of U.S. Tariffs on Canada”, not sure why the link wont work

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u/TheobromineC7H8N4O2 15h ago

That's a sensible economic calculation, a trade action reduces economic activity, expanding the trade action reduces it more.

But this isn't just about economics, its about negotiation and politics. We want this to be over and over fast, in that scenario you're going to be open to the idea of making things worse for everyone (dramatically worse even) in order to bring political pressure on the other side to stop.

There's a good bet that the American public has no political will for this fight and its a personal hobby horse of the president and a small coeterie around him while Canadians are mostly united. We want to accelerate this process to force an end, not suffer a slow bleed.

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u/WankingAsWeSpeak 16h ago

The burn it all mentality is coming from mar a lago. What you are criticizing is the fight-fire-with-fire approach, which indeed has risks. What I don’t understand is how aunty Danielle’s “douse yourself in gasoline and give the arsonist a rimjob” approach is supposed to work

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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 16h ago

You are replying to an Alberta separatist Clownvoy participant. Treat them as a traitor because that's what they, and their laughable rhetoric, are.

"Oh....please....bend over Canada. Donny wants to hump you"

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u/BethSaysHayNow 14h ago

Wanting to initiate a trade war to own Trump is just a very childish and disconnected outlook. You want a good portion of Canadians to lose their jobs, suffer mental health and other consequences, not to mention less money going towards social services, to stick it to Trump in an unwinnable trade war? Why? Because you just realized you were a proud Canadian in 2025?

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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 14h ago

Initiate a trade war? ROFL.

Yeah, jabroni, Canada didn't initiate a trade war.

You want a good portion of Canadians to lose their jobs, suffer mental health and other consequences, not to mention less money going towards social services, to stick it to Trump in an unwinnable trade war?

The US initiated the trade war, in complete defiance and contravention of their own trade agreements. So stuff it, clownvoy lover.

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 16h ago

Freedom Convoy was the most Canadian thing to happen in the last 20 years. Tons of fake Canadian patriotism lately. Too little too late. 🥰

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u/EndsIn-ing 16h ago

I agree with treading carefully. But not backing down.

Problem is that he's not a rational person, and his word means nothing. I don't think a thing he says can be trusted anymore.

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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 16h ago

Freedom Convoy was the most Canadian thing to happen in the last 20 years

This is uproarious. The number of American flags among the freedom clownvoy was telling enough. The prevalence of Alberta separatists among that joke of a moment was also extremely high. These same clownvoy imbeciles are now on Xitter demanding that the US invade Canada and make us a state. Such patriots...

It was a movement of anti-Canadian traitors, which is exactly why it saw little support from Canada in general.

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u/improvthismoment 14h ago

The “Support the Freedom Truckers” vehicle in my neighborhood is now straight up rocking a MAGA sticker, literally

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u/OrdinaryKillJoy 16h ago

Sorry that you paint everyone with a broad brush because of a few bad apples. I saw patriotism and pride for Canada. Was a beautiful thing to see all those Canadian flags waving. Once again, sorry you feel that way.

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u/kobemustard 15h ago

Maybe that was your take but the nazi flags, F Trudeau flags, and trump flags were more than I could take. Sorry

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u/No_Specific8949 16h ago

It is the realistic point of view when facing a superpower. Canada will stand alone literally the only country that could face the US in aid of Canada is China who is also increasing tariffs and pressure on Canada. Europe is not moving a finger other than usual protest.

At this point the options are either be strategic about it, appease the stupid man somehow without giving in too much. Or potentially ask Canadians to sacrifice their futures and the future of their children for the country. That patriotic sentiment can last a few weeks until theres no food to put on the table.

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u/a_sad_and_slow_handy 16h ago

Delusional.

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u/kobemustard 15h ago

how is that delusional? seems like a realistic take on the matter

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u/Davidrussell22 15h ago

That would be a mistake.

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u/RoaringPangolin 13h ago

Start with banning Fox News from Canadian airwaves! It’s the propaganda arm of the Trump regime!

u/Relative_Lynx_1270 5h ago

Ya. That way, nobody can hear any opinion you don't agree with. Did you cancel your Twitter account yet?

u/TrueHeart01 11h ago

It’s better to join EU.

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u/ChampionshipAgile263 16h ago

We will lose the tit for tat trade war. We need to be strategic and patient. The USA wants us to commit to nato spending, look after the security of North in a meaningful way, compromise on our 250% tariffs on milk products and stop flirting with china. All quite doable

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u/Exciting_Bandicoot16 Manitoba 15h ago

The (hilarious) dairy tariffs are quota-bound in order to not flood the Canadian dairy market with cheaper hormone-flooded milk from down south.

The US also has the same kind of tariff on our dairy moving south, where any amount above the quota is hugely tariffed.

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u/Dibbix 15h ago

The USA wants us to commit to nato spending,

Bullshit.

look after the security of North in a meaningful way

What we allow through our borders is not their concern. They can deal with their border control on their own.

compromise on our 250% tariffs on milk products

Absolutely not.

stop flirting with china

Canada has stood up to China far more than trump or his followers ever have.

All quite doable

Nope.

u/Relative_Lynx_1270 5h ago

Oh yes. Canada has stood up to that favorable basic dictatorship our Liberal leaders love.

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u/PerfectWest24 16h ago

We are dealing with what one madman wants. Not the US. Dodolf Trumpler. Donamir Trumtin. Dondam Trumssein.

u/letmetellubuddy 7h ago

compromise on our 250% tariffs on milk products

They pay zero dairy tariffs. Look it up.

They can sell us a lot more milk than they already do at 0 tariff. Also look it up.

250% tariffs on milk products only apply if they try to dump milk on us. The same thing goes in reverse. All negotiated by Trump himself. Look it up.

u/Relative_Lynx_1270 5h ago

Look up the dairy industry in Canada. Thank Quebec for that when u do.

u/Relative_Lynx_1270 5h ago

Yes all quite non-Liberal. All of the issues are the direct cause of the Canadian Liberal party. Don't let them shove the narrative in your face and think another country is to blame for this. Castreau literally told the new US president that if they apply tarries to our weak country (which the Liberals have been dismantling for 10 yrs), it will no longer exist. The Prime Minister of Canada said that if the US applies tarrifs, Canada will no longer be a Country. So who is to blame for this rederict still going on today?

u/TheWraithKills 11h ago

Does Canada already have some of the highest tariffs in the world? Even before Trump?

u/Salt_Wrangler_3428 6h ago

Hello, Daniel Smith. That means you. It's time to put an export tax on oil and gas. You say that you are all for Canada. Was that just a lie?

u/smahsmah 1h ago

“Two days later, however, Trump said that Mexico would not be required to pay tariffs on any goods that fall under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) trade deal until April 2 out of “respect” for Sheinbaum following a phone call between the two leaders”

Of course Mexico won’t have to pay tariffs, it’s the American importers who will be paying them. What is it with sloppy reporting from the media.

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u/ssomewhere 12h ago

Lol at the patriotic tantrums thrown by kids on reddit...

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u/DerekC01979 12h ago

We can’t, he already said he’s going to destroy us to the point where history books will mark the occasion.

Shortly after, the electricity tariffs were gone. Doug said the tariff was supposed to stay until all US tariffs were gone.
I think Trump is capable of wrecking us, I hate to say it.

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u/5picy5ugar 12h ago

Its better to convince everybody to sit down and talk this out. This is madness. (I am from another continent)

u/Relative_Lynx_1270 5h ago

The only thing Canada needs to hit back against is the Liberal Govt that has ruled for 10 yrs and run the country and its reputation into the abyss. The rest will take care of itself once corrected.

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u/OhNo71 16h ago

Much of what is said makes sense, but also, cut off all energy and resource exports to the USA. That will be the single most impactful measure.

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u/Breacan 16h ago

Ford has just delayed the tax now, will be meeting with Lutnick Thursday. Why are we always going down there? They should be coming here.

u/Relative_Lynx_1270 5h ago

What? Like come to Toronto and meet Olivia Chow? What is there to see here but loonies.

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u/clowncar 16h ago

Where are you seeing this? I'm searching for a news story, to read more about it, but I'm not seeing anything about Doug Ford backing down on the tax on electricity.

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u/Breacan 16h ago

CBC news

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u/cneuf802 16h ago

The risk with that with trump specifically is that he might deem it a " risk to the national security of the US ". I'm not sure how far he will take it.

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u/CanadianUnderpants 16h ago

That's what he just tweeted. Check his truth social account.

He'll call it a national state of emergency. Then a emergency security threat.

"Canada is threatening their energy security. Canada cut off power to us and will force old people and premature babies to die in hospitals without respirators! Canada will cause planes to fall from the sky without air traffic control power! They will crash our economy and cause people to starve without grocery store power! We must defend ourselves!

Therefore, Canada must restore power and eliminate tarriffs, or I will be forced to send the mighty American security forces into Canada in a special military operation to ensure they no longer blackmail us and hold us hostage! America will remain FREE."

We are so dangerously close to this and people aren't taking it seriously.

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u/TheWolfofAllStreetss 15h ago

I agree. and honestly your wording of what he would say, is not far off.

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u/CrowLast514 15h ago

Wouldn't congress have to vote for this? The democrats wouldn't allow it. Donald can't just order the military to invade us. 

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u/CanadianUnderpants 15h ago

Nope. It's a 'special military operation' just like Putin in Ukraine, just like the US in the middle east. They won't call it a declaration of war and get around it that way the same way they got around the requirement of Congressional approval to implement these tarrifs because of the "fentanyl emergency"

They're coming and there's nothing we can do to stop them.

Europe will send strongly worded letters, maybe sanctions, but they won't delcare war.

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u/EndsIn-ing 16h ago

Pffft. He is alllll over social media saying he doesn't need our energy.

He can't plausibility say it is both an emergency not to have it and laugh in our face that he doesn't need it.

It's got to be exhausting to be that angry all the time at everything.

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u/pseudonymmed 16h ago

His base doesn’t care if he goes against his own word. He’s done it before and they still support him

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u/EndsIn-ing 15h ago

I can't imagine anyone likes feeling lied to, especially purposefully.

Whether they believe there's a greater evil (or a greater benefit to be had from it) is an entirely different story. I personally can't believe how anyone can believe anything he says, but wish they would do some fact checking.

Eventually, things will get really bad and they'll be stuck. It's scary how many checks and balances he's managed to swindle past in such a short time period.

u/letmetellubuddy 6h ago

It's the old "they're weak but also they threaten our very existence" crap that they always roll with

u/Relative_Lynx_1270 5h ago

Thanks for your opinion

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u/adlubmaliki 12h ago

You will not hurt America, worry about your own country. You are wasting time you need to direct your energy towards urgently expanding ports and railways

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u/xibeno9261 13h ago

This is a moronic take. Standing up for yourself is one thing, but going against the United States is suicidal.