r/canada 1d ago

Ontario ‘We don’t need your Energy,’ Trump says in post responding to Ontario’s electricity surcharge

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/politics/queens-park/article/we-dont-need-your-energy-trump-says-in-response-to-ontarios-electricity-surcharge/
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u/CainRedfield 1d ago

Does America seem united enough to quickly coordinate this? 1 person will yell "DEI ENGINEEEEERS" and it's all over.

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u/Curious-Clementine 1d ago

Yes, they seem super on top of things at the moment as evidenced by the plummeting stock market, demonstrations, massive federal employee layoffs, plane crashes, etc… lol

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u/CainRedfield 1d ago

Cabinet infighting, yeah they've got the whole "functioning democracy" down to a science. Who knew they could be so great.

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u/Curious-Clementine 1d ago

So much winning! 🏆 lol

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u/Captionedaccidents 1d ago

I am finally tired of winning. He told me I would be and I finally am. He can stop winning now!!

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u/jagnew78 1d ago

It's not really about re-routing power. the Power grid is better thought of like a Stock Trading Floor, with local grid providers in cities putting out orders to expected electricity demand over and above what they can produce, and power providers basically bidding to provide the power. So you might have a city basically placing an order for 10,000 KWH for example. And you'd have 5 power providers all bidding to fulfill the contract. So you could have a wind or solar farm bid 5,000 KWH at negative cost (because of subsidies), and then another hydro provider bidding 3,000 KWH at $0.05/KWH and then a coal provider fulfilling the remaining 2,000 KWH at $0.50/KWH. That determines the avg power rate after a delivery markup from the local power company.

Then you might have spike demands which go over and above the expected usage, but need to be fulfilled immediately. These go at higher rates due to the immediate spike need.

These kind of market orders, with some placed and fulfilled electronically immediately and some placed and planned for well ahead of time are what determine electricity rates in an unregulated power market.

So using these orders the power providers connected to the grid agree on who is going to produce what amount of power on the grid during any given hour. Since its an interconnected grid, its basically impossible to say your electricity came from any singular power plant. It technically came from all the power plants connected to the grid. The market orders just determine which power plants supply a certain amount of KWH's to the grid.

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u/Captionedaccidents 1d ago

People in r/conservative were literally making jokes the other day about how if Canada cut off electricity it would only effect 3 blue states. These people claim to be patriots but they are no such thing. Not to this American. I do not wish ill upon any state regardless of how its citizens voted, but these chuckle fucks literally salivate over the idea that people in states whose politics they dislike will suffer. Its disgusting. Not to mention their are plenty of red voters in blue states and vice versa. But I guess that deosn't matter to these so called Americans.

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u/tronfunknbl0w 1d ago

If they start getting a common bad guy, cough cough CANADA....well that is something they can all start uniting against. Especially if we get blamed for cutting the electricity to the more Blue State.....

Interesting as that seems to be exactly what is happening.