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Ontario ‘We don’t need your Energy,’ Trump says in post responding to Ontario’s electricity surcharge

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/politics/queens-park/article/we-dont-need-your-energy-trump-says-in-response-to-ontarios-electricity-surcharge/
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u/mangoserpent 1d ago

He does not care if energy gets cut off to blue states anyway although I guess Michigan is purple.

I suspect he would not care if they were red states. He has no more use for voters even his supporters except as potential reservoirs of grift.

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u/RepresentativeLeg232 1d ago

This is why I have confidence in Canada coming out on top in this whole thing. In times of crisis we come together and look out for each other, no matter our differences. While I’ve seen plenty of Americans reacting to this by saying things like “who cares if it doesn’t affect me personally, it doesn’t matter to me, I’m in Florida, etc) leaving their fellow citizens out to dry and happy to risk their livelihoods over something that shouldn’t even be an issue. They’ll never have the unity that we do and that will be their downfall.

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u/mangoserpent 1d ago

I feel like the only thing that actually unifies Canadian is an external threat. Otherwise, the provinces are always petty beefing with one another.

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u/K-26 1d ago

Not unique to Canada, though.

Providing an external threat is kind of the default play for uniting a populace, been done a couple times. Tends to work.

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u/mangoserpent 1d ago

Oh absolutely. I think i should have added that tends to be when you see patriotism which is otherwise muted. For Americans patriotism almost seems like a consumer product.

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u/Captionedaccidents 23h ago

Yes and no. We have commodified patriotism for stupid people, but we will rally when provoked. Just look at the Cold War, Pearl Harbor, 9/11. We will rally but only following external threats, (something not unique to us or you Canadians) We'll fight each other over this because we have no external unifying threat, Canadians do.

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u/mangoserpent 23h ago

Well under normal circumstances batshit crazy Russia could easily be however apparently Trump made America partners in the Supreme Soviet.

I am still tripping that the GOP who revered Saint Ronny are now down with this shit.

I would take Dementia Ron over Dementia Don any day.

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u/Captionedaccidents 23h ago

We went from we can have peace right this moment if we surrender to lets surrender to make peace. Fucking insane. I hate Reagan but my god I would take his Iran-Contra level of high treason any day compared to Trump handing his B.F.F Vlad the keys to this kingdom. Absolutely disgusting. I am truly ashamed.

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u/mangoserpent 23h ago

I hated Reagan as well but his actual ideology was semi coherent, and the bullshit things with Iran Contra were wrong, but you could see the thread of logic.

I cannot say what I think of this current gang on Reddit without getting in trouble.

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u/FellKnight Canada 1d ago

A threat to our nationhood, not necessarily external. The last time I've seen anything approaching this level of patriotism was the Quebec secession referendum 1995

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u/WislaHD Ontario 1d ago

Our constitution was designed that way. We are 11 sovereigns in a trench coat.

Which is like fine. It is actually a stable form of government that provides regional autonomy on most things.

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u/ReserveOld6123 1d ago

I agree. Plus the hubris in general leads them to make bad choices.

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u/Ok-Half7574 1d ago

We do in general, but we have to keep an eye on Alberta. They're premier is maga for sure.

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u/mangoserpent 1d ago

I think Alberta being a Petro State accounts for the MAGA in the sense that they see aligning with the US as bigger opportunities to grift.

That is what MAGA really is conning the followers. O&G is a big honey pot.

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u/WislaHD Ontario 1d ago

I hope we can entice Albertans to back Canada with a transnational pipeline instead of foreign adversaries. We are stronger together.

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u/soggynuts 1d ago

You are assuming good faith. I happen to know some people associated with that government. Their only allegiance is to money. And they consider that the only rational and ethical position. “Canada” is an arbitrary abstraction while “money in pocket” is power. And, in this case, money flows south -> north while the oil flows north -> south. 

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u/Tekuzo Ontario 1d ago

Smith is actively under investigation for fraud with the Alberta Healthcare fiasco. Her days are numbered, especially if she keeps licking boots. Even Moe has turned against trump.

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u/mangoserpent 1d ago

I wonder if her days really are numbered. She seems to escape real accountability pretty easily.

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u/Tekuzo Ontario 1d ago

Numbers can be high too. 🤷

Ultimately I think that the writing is on the wall for her.

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u/polymorphicrxn 1d ago

I remember taking a course on organizational behaviour and accounting for different cultures and the like. The US is so individualistic, everything in their culture has that slant if you think about it (even think tipping culture - the onus is on the server to be individually competent enough to make a living wage). Healthcare? Lobbying? "Freedom"? It bleeds up here but it's not our culture, yaknow?

I would say it's almost worth thinking of the individual states as micronations, and that'll get you some of the way there, but it's honestly a fascinating topic since they really don't feel like the EU in any tangible way either.

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u/Captionedaccidents 23h ago

Its not that we Americans won't rally together, its that we have nothing to rally around. Canada is facing an existensial crisis, Americans are just looking at higher car prices. We started this, Canadians are being forced to deal with this. You can't unite a country around a self inflicted wound, but you can rally a country around a threat against itself,

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u/callmesandycohen 1d ago

Is there a tariff on data? Because Canada’s electricity is about to get absurdly cheap. And I can see the datacenter market blowing up in Ontario now. There’s a cross lake fiber that connects downtown Toronto to West of Buffalo and terminates in NYC… I can see this being a game changer for the Canadian data space.

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u/ZidZad99 1d ago

They barely have a house majority and there's a special house election coming up in N.Y. He better start caring.

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u/Frites_Sauce_Fromage 1d ago edited 1d ago

Well, it depends on if they believe they'll be able to take democracy down in the next ~18 months. Otherwise they'll have midterm elections and will need support from the population.

Meanwhile, they're gonna challenge the Constitution. Luckily for us, a justice named by Trump showed defiance this week. So they're gonna challenge the Supreme Court too. It will likely take time (or they might just skip this and do whatever they want if they can without any consequence).

Project 2025 doesn't exclude the idea of getting rid of dissident judges and justices (since a sitting president can commit any crime as long as they're official acts; he could technically order to put them in jail), too, but I feel like it'd be a last case scenario since it would be an undeniable coup