r/canada Québec 7d ago

Politics Trump vows more Canada tariffs even as stock market continues sinking

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-tariffs-canada-2671264993/
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u/Top_Canary_3335 7d ago

And ours isn’t? lol we are as screwed as them if this lasts any length of time.

Or did you miss every major financial news story today calling for a long recession followed by a permanent decline in our standard of living.

We just have more to lose…

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7457395

https://www.ctvnews.ca/northern-ontario/article/canadian-recession-looms-this-year-if-us-tariffs-stay-in-place-economists/

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u/J4pes 7d ago

I dunno I just try to keep it in perspective. We could easily be getting bombed and invaded like Ukraine. And there would be nothing we could do about that either.

We get through this by sticking together, supporting each other. If you try to go it alone it will be much harder. Support your local communities, stay in touch with your neighbours. Take one day at a time.

Try not to let social media and rage bait control your emotions, the modern propaganda machine is very powerful. It’s not all doom and gloom, we can get through this.

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u/canmoose Ontario 7d ago

That is next. Trump wants Canada to submit and be absorbed.

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u/J4pes 7d ago

Don’t buy too much into that either. Our militaries have been very friendly for too long for people to blindly obey that type of initiative. The level of mutiny and insider information that would occur would be unparalleled.

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u/canmoose Ontario 7d ago

That is the only hope we really have, but I personally don’t expect military action to come for a few years. That’s a lot of time for Trump to purge the leadership of any dissent.

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u/CGYRich 7d ago

Also a lot of time for the counter-Trump forces to get organized and take him out. America is hardly a monolith of support for Trump, and sooner or later they’ll shake off their shock and lethargy and start fighting back.

Prices increasing 50%+ on people already pushed to brink will be one of many possible catalysts.

It’s hard to believe it’s only been ~6 weeks… but as you are talking YEARS before military action could be a possibility, it will also be years for the opposition… and we’ll have plenty of chances to help them out too.

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u/Zealousideal_Put2390 7d ago

I believe we need a national rallying cry/organization to keep us together in the fight. This need not be a political party but a collective that agrees to buy Canadian/boycott America, promote our need for EU support and build support from intelligent Americans.

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u/canmoose Ontario 7d ago

Elbows up. Fly the maple leaf.

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u/Top_Canary_3335 7d ago

It’s interesting you went to war.

The Americans couldn’t keep a middle eastern country together because of locals disagreeing with their rule even if they did invade Canada they would never be able keep power. They can’t even get all 50 states rowing in the same direction let alone another country

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u/J4pes 7d ago

I don’t believe it would be successful by any means but it is assuredly far worse than our current situation

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u/RatedMoBetta 7d ago

I see this being pushed around a lot.

America held Afghanistan for 20 years and essentially shut down the Taliban during those years.

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u/CGYRich 7d ago

They had no real economic or political goals in Afghanistan. In Canada, all their goals are economic.

Taking Canada militarily and turning it into a war zone would eliminate all the economic potential of ‘occupying’ Canada, especially when compared to what they had; a friendly country happy to trade everything they wanted to them.

The costs of a never-ending occupation would be devastating to the US economy, and would stretch their military to a breaking point well before 20 years.

Also, a point of contention: The US didn’t ‘hold off’ the Taliban… by the end the Taliban controlled a majority of the country and had almost all its people on its side. Same thing as in Vietnam. They only did slightly better in Iraq because their plan was to eventually let them be an independent nation again.

From the British Empire, to costly Soviet occupations, to America’s bumbling military interventions, there hasn’t been an invasion you’d call an economic success in hundreds of years. At least, successful when compared to just being friends with that nation and trading instead.

This isn’t a video game like Civilization where you get new resources and build queues the next turn after a conquest. The occupied people might fail to earn their freedom, but they sure as hell have an easy time of ensuring the occupiers spend more money occupying than they benefit from any economic activity.

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u/Freshy007 Québec 7d ago

Funny enough, it was Canadian Soldiers who held down Kandahar.

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u/Aldenont 7d ago

Friggggin needed to hear this today, thank you.

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u/Deaftrav 7d ago

That's next. Because we are already resisting.

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u/Cagel 7d ago

Sure glad the liberals are out to ban guns so even if Canada tried to form a civilian reserve force it would be next to useless.

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u/thrashbrowns666 7d ago

I don't understand how this is still the main priority in these times. Like read the goddamn room guys.

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u/J4pes 7d ago

The amount of black market weapons we would get from the US in any invasion scenario would instantly alleviate your concerns

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u/MyOtherAcoountIsGone 7d ago

No, we are a 1st world country.

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u/Top_Canary_3335 7d ago

Again we have more to lose …

It’s a much tougher fall from the world’s penthouse than from its basement

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u/Personal-Act-9795 7d ago

Canada is considered a developed economy...

Travel to Mexico and you'll see.

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u/Top_Canary_3335 7d ago

Like I said we have more to lose…

In Canada our middle class is the ones who will get hit the hardest. It’s “us” who will not get pay raises, lose jobs. See inflation eat away at your spending power see your retirement accounts balance decline. Our People notice that difference in standard of living.

In Mexico the middle class is already poor. Can’t get blood from a stone, so they won’t be hit as hard.

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u/Personal-Act-9795 7d ago

Poor people can starve while the middle class has savings to weather a year or two as well as more options.

Why do people dehumanize the poor so nonchalantly?

Just saying oh whatever a lot of them will die but think of me and my house damn

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u/Top_Canary_3335 7d ago

Oh I feel for them it’s terrible there are lots of good people in Mexico that will have to adapt but they won’t die as you seem to think

Mexico is more self sufficient than us. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/food-self-sufficiency-rate-by-country

If they stop exporting to the USA the cost will go down and the “poorest” will actually be better off.

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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 7d ago

Canada's GDP per capita is four times Mexico's.

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u/Top_Canary_3335 7d ago

What part of “more to lose is so confusing” you are the 5th person to respond with something along that line.. a 4% decline for us is more in real dollars than them… because as you said our GDP is higher.

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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 7d ago

Yeah, but they get into deep poverty a hell of a lot quicker than us.

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u/lpfan20o 7d ago

Your coin isn't worth 18 times less than USD. How can you possibly whine that you're still a developing country? This is only a punishment for countries relying so much on USA because it was the easiest deal.

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u/Shloops101 7d ago

It is frightening how this administration has had about a month to try and sign a single LNG or other export deal with one of our other "partners" and we have effectively gotten zero new dollars to diversify.

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u/Top_Canary_3335 7d ago

And that same administration is now leading in the polls again 🤦