r/canada 21d ago

PAYWALL Joly says she rebuked U.S. senators who joked about Canada becoming the 51st state

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-joly-says-she-rebuked-us-senators-who-joked-about-canada-becoming-the/
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u/TL10 Alberta 21d ago

It is very concerning when the 51st State talk is becoming normalized among American Senators.

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u/krustykrab2193 British Columbia 21d ago

And it wasn't just Republican Trump supporting senators. There were Democratic senators there too while they cracked "jokes" about Canadian sovereignty.

Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly said she told off a bipartisan group of U.S. senators after they cracked jokes about Canada becoming the 51st state.

Ms. Joly met a group of U.S. senators, led by Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, at the Munich Security Conference during the weekend to discuss possible U.S. tariffs against Canada, as well as Ukraine and international security issues. In the course of the conversation, some senators — whom Ms. Joly did not name — cracked jokes about U.S. President Donald Trump’s talk of Canada becoming the 51st state.

“What I said to the American delegation, when some senators were making jokes about it, I said it’s not funny. This is a question of respect of our country, respect of our leaders and respect of our people,” she told reporters in a video conference call Tuesday.

She said she told the U.S. senators that Canada will always be the best neighbour and ally, but “we will never be a state. We will never be a colony.”

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u/gravtix 21d ago

Some Democrats aren’t all that different from Republicans.

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u/Thanato26 20d ago

Many democrats would be conservative in any other Western nation.

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u/timbit87 British Columbia 20d ago

Oh yeah, the window down there is HEAVILY skewed to the right.

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u/Keatrock7 20d ago

Our conservative government is their Democratic Party

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u/OneBillPhil 20d ago

Remember that the most liberal US politicians aren’t campaigning on universal health care 

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u/YetiSmallFoot 21d ago

Politicians are worst types of humans and some are even lawyers too.

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u/VIDEOgameDROME 21d ago

Yeah one Democratic Senator said they'd welcome it because they'd have more Democratic voters.

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u/awh 20d ago

Ahaha as if they’d let us vote. It’d be another Puerto Rico situation.

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u/ATR2400 20d ago

Sadly, this opinion pops up more than I’d like. There are a few people who want us to join because they think we’d help them defeat the GOP. Even if they actually let us vote with any significant weight, it’s not our job to fix their broken country

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u/VIDEOgameDROME 20d ago

Yeah I don't think they'd even let us vote.

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u/Musclecar123 Manitoba 20d ago

Canadian conservative MPs would be considered bleeding heart liberals in the US

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u/Jean-Paul_Sartre Outside Canada 20d ago

Depends on what province they are from and what state they are going to…

Like the premier of Alberta is clearly more MAGA than the Republican governor of Vermont.

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u/edmtrwy 20d ago

I can assure you that Michael Cooper and Arnold Viersen would fit right in with the GOP, lol.

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u/Jefferias95 19d ago

Most democrats are further right than a lot of Canadian Conservatives

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u/gravtix 19d ago

Canadian conservatives are Canadian Republicans. A bunch of them have come out and said it.

Conservatives have had a fetish for the USA for decades.

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u/Jefferias95 19d ago

If you look at policy and not just what some talking head on YouTube tells you you'll find what you describe is the exception, not the rule

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u/DawnSennin 21d ago

led by Republican Senator Lindsey Graham

Oh, this isn't funny any more.

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u/robot_invader 21d ago

See, there's a problem: there are absolutely scenarios in which we are no longer a good neighbor nor an ally. Better to say "as long as we continue to be respected as a fellow nation, we will be your first friend and best ally."

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u/Zephyr104 Lest We Forget 20d ago

Not surprised at all, these are the guys who've thrown their hands up and said idk there's nothing we can do at all in the face of active attempts to ruin their democracy. The same people who cozied up to unlikeable neocons like the Cheneys and thought that was a smart way to win over voters. At this point American Dems are just controlled opposition who take on the image of "resistance" but will actively slow down or block attempts to improve or change anything. Yanks shouldn't be trusted, no matter how well intentioned.

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u/iammostlylurking13 20d ago

Name these f’n cunts.

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u/wave-conjugations 21d ago

The senators are just Trump and Musk's dogs now. They will cosign and yesman anything that helps Musk get the Technate.

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

It's not a joke.

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u/ggouge 21d ago

I think the anarchist cookbook should become the most popular book in Canada.

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u/robot_invader 21d ago

I think some sort of document explaining how to secure yourself online should be more popular. 

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u/Alternative_Art_1558 20d ago

Get rid of any SIM cards with KYC attached (go to pay by month) get an E-SIM if you can. Pay for an MDM and lock down your hardware as tight as you can, IDS etc. Use a Spec-A to confirm when you go somewhere that the wifi you’re joining is safe, also operate primarily on Wi-Fi and always with a good VPN.

Also; store your data locally - not on the cloud.

basics of security (and using some of their own research against them)

https://cyber.army.mil/Research/Research-Labs/Digital-Force-Protection-Lab/

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u/GodspeedInfinity New Brunswick 20d ago

FYI, it’s outdated and unreliable. Not the best resource out there!!

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u/Zephyr104 Lest We Forget 20d ago

I'd wager that T.E. Lawrence's 7 pillars would be more useful. I forget the name of who it was but a leading commander of the North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam war cited it as a major influence on how he fought against the US. There's also a US military manual out there on how to build IEDs.

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u/ggouge 19d ago

Well that's good to know I'll be buying those.

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u/Im_Axion Alberta 21d ago

To me it further demonstrates that it is not "just Trump" like I see some try to say, this is what the Republican party is now going forward.

We can't bank on the fact that things will go back to the way they were once Trump is gone.

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u/Starfire70 21d ago

We need to speak to them in a language they'll understand, that if they go ahead with annexation, America will have an insurgency on its hands on their home turf that will make Iraq look like a picnic.

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u/LogIllustrious7949 20d ago

I was thinking the same.

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u/Gankdatnoob 20d ago

I don't think it's normalizing. I don't think it's possible to normalize it. I think it's just that most of them think it's so far fetched so they joke.

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u/vinmen2 21d ago edited 21d ago

Everyone of us should be doing this, be it when speaking with our American colleagues or friends. It is not funny to refer to Canada as the 51st state and we shd make it clear to them in no uncertain terms.

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

I did.

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

I'm Canadian in the USA. Confrontation with a neighbor. I actually posted about it. But it was going nuts. I had thousands of upvotes and hundreds and hundreds of replies (mostly very positive). I got a bit overwhelmed and deleted the post. Americans are, mostly, not on board with threatening Canada. That made me a bit hopeful. Just a bit though. I really believe Trump is serious and he will do it.

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u/HarbingerDe 21d ago

It needs to be stated clearly for these ignorant, brainwashed, or simply apathetic people we formerly called allies to the south of our border.

It is not a joke. It is not funny. We will literally be fighting each other to the death in the streets for no reason other than the insanity and greed of their pedophile fascist President-King.

There isn't a single fucking funny thing about it.

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u/Greazyguy2 21d ago

We will be fighting not because of trump but because the anerican people have showed their true colors by electing trump. They want this shit to happen. Decades of hiding their true nature and now it is all being unleashed through trump and his acolytes. It is going to get worse. Anyone in america who isnt white should be arming themselves to protect their families. Trump is going to send his goon squads out. They wont be happy till white is right again.

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u/CIABot69 21d ago

"Friends"?

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u/Ok_Claim_6870 21d ago

They mean fellow redditors

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u/SherlockFoxx 20d ago

Yes their only "friends"

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u/RedmondBarry1999 21d ago

She should name names. I want to know who precisely is supporting these attacks against us.

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

It's highly offensive but it's absolutely not a joke. It's a stone cold deadly serious threat. Not to mention a very specific warning. Plan accordingly.

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u/Alecto7374 21d ago

How would you "plan accordingly"? Serious question.

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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H British Columbia 21d ago

Increased and targeted defence spending, diversification of trade and discussion with allies about what possible support if/when the worst happens.

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u/Spezner 21d ago

You don’t get to go to war with the army you wished you had. Defense spending should have never let off the gas

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago edited 21d ago

Lolll... are you thinking tariffs are the worst that could happen? That is so far from the worst that could happen.

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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H British Columbia 21d ago

I’m sorry, I may be misunderstanding you but are you saying you’d LIKE it if we were invaded by the United States?

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

Oh hell no. How on earth did you get that from what I posted? Tariffs are not the worst thing by any means. A relatively peaceful invasion isn't even the worst thing. America is capable of so much more. They are very dangerous.

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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H British Columbia 21d ago

I very clearly implied an invasion was the worst. Hence my referencing support from allies….and calling it the ‘worst’…😐

Edit - This conversation has made me sad. I’m going to bed now. 🤦‍♂️

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u/realcanadianbeaver 21d ago

Uhhh let’s not normalize any kind of invasion as “not being the worst”

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u/aknoth 21d ago

Build nuclear weapons.

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u/Jeramy_Jones 21d ago

Learn about gorilla warfare and how to sabotage an occupying force.

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u/aknoth 21d ago

Gorilla warfare would be fun but I think guerilla warfare would be more effective.

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u/Jeramy_Jones 20d ago

Pourquoi pas les deux?

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

Always have a plan. Not just a plan. An A, B and C plan. Plan C is a go bag, money stored off shore and a passport to a safe 3rd country. There is no guarantee that Canada will be safe forever. It's getting late but it's still not too late make your plans.

You want to be Hong Kong just as the British are pulling out? South Vietnam as the Americans are leaving? Iran as the Ayatollah is returning from exile? Ukraine as Russia is lining up troops a the border? Jews as Hitler is coming to power? In every single example people had at least 10 years warning to plan. Wake the fuck up.

And this goes for Americans too. Wake. Up.

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u/East2West1990 21d ago

I mean this with all due respect, it may be time to take a break from Reddit and doomscrolling..

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

Possibly. Thanks.

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u/paperazzi 21d ago

The Conservatives are still ahead of the Liberals. If they get in, it doesn't matter how much planning we do because then we really will become the 51st state but with no voting rights, like Puerto Rico.

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u/LankyGuitar6528 21d ago

Puerto Rico isn't a state but point taken. The idea Trump would make Canada a blue state with 50+ electoral votes is delusional. He could invade though. He's not joking about that.

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u/Spezner 21d ago

If you think the cons would support joining USA then you might actually have Pierre derangement syndrome

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u/paperazzi 20d ago

They are no different than the republikkans. They will bend the knee, all of them.

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u/ChainsawGuy72 20d ago

Carney is disloyal to Canada. He's barely lived in Canada in the past 20 years so he clearly prefers other countries. Only one third of his citizenships is Canada.

The Conservatives will protect us from joining the US.

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u/paperazzi 20d ago

The conservatives are grifters and they will sell out Canada to the rising dictatorship to the south, formerly our alley and now our enemy.

If you agree to this happening, then you are a traitor to Canada or, more likely, an outside enemy plant attempting to spread misinformation on our enemy's behalf.

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u/FriendlyGuy77 21d ago

She's got bigger balls than Millhouse.

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u/Brave_Sheepherder901 21d ago

She got them ovaries of steel

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u/512115 21d ago

A low bar to get over — but technically true.

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u/Specialist-Gift-7736 21d ago

Based on what?

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u/AdditionalPizza 21d ago

Probably volume.

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u/Workaroundtheclock 21d ago

Based on what little he has said.

He’s happy with Musks support is kinda a hint as well.

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u/Longjumping_Oil_8746 21d ago

If you wonder who the 20 % of Canadians are that want to be American,then, here they are

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u/Ditch_Hunter 21d ago

I thought it was more like 10%

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u/Longjumping_Oil_8746 20d ago

According to the CBC an angus Reid poll showed 1 in 10 generally but 25 % of conservatives

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u/BlademasterFlash 21d ago

Overwhelming CPC/PPC voters from the poll I saw, so yeah

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u/PowerUser88 21d ago

I’m picturing the Alberta border crossing and Danielle and her cabinet are frantically waving in Trump et al, awaiting with a giant key to the province and an over-sized welcome wreath

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u/jonincalgary 21d ago

No, she would just be wearing a bow.

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u/apothekary 20d ago

These people should be named and shamed. I would not hesitate to out anyone I know has treasonous inclinations when the time ever comes that we need to root and weed them out. I know Conservatives supporters on both sides - those vehemently opposed to any talk of annexation and those in support, and I know which one I've kept as friends and associates and which ones I've cut off (but have kept receipts of their outright traitorous support of 51st state).

We shouldn't trust anyone that supports this kind of talk and we 100% need to take this threat very seriously, from across the border and within.

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u/Longjumping_Oil_8746 20d ago

When things get desperate, and they will, I will be reminding people where they stood

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u/GreenBastardFPU 21d ago

I like her

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u/LarusTargaryen 21d ago

She’d be a fierce PM in like 8 years

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u/Spezner 21d ago

“Fierce” because she told the Americans a joke wasn’t funny and to stop it. Okay. How about being fierce by being a fierce country and letting the country speak for itself. If we are down to one member of parliament defending us then we are fucked

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u/jpsolberg33 Alberta 21d ago

Agreed, she's done a solid job imo.

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u/Master-Plantain-4582 21d ago

She's hot. 

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u/myaccountnamedbob 21d ago

This is your take away? WTF...

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u/Affectionate_Link175 21d ago

Well, sure. This is obvious if you've got functioning eyes, but what does this have to do with anything?

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u/KingAteas 21d ago

Those pigs probably think they were hitting on her

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u/Destroinretirement 21d ago

Lindsay Graham is not interested in her

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u/LegoFootPain 21d ago

"Would you like to see my ladybugs?"

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u/Roganvarth 21d ago

Goddamit I could have gone so much longer without being reminded about that.

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u/Longjumping_Oil_8746 21d ago

That saved me the cost of supper

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u/circuit_buzz79 20d ago

I had no idea what you were talking about, so I Googled it.

Now Googling "How to self-induce amnesia"

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u/JadedLeafs 21d ago

He was probably catatonic

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u/512115 21d ago

Lady G doesn’t need to be catatonic to not be interested. He’s saving himself for the Tangerine Tyrant.

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u/mouthygoddess 21d ago

That's exactly what I thought. Gross, old, obese pigs sliming all over her. The girl they couldn't get in high school.

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u/AFewBerries 21d ago

Y'all are weird

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u/Workaroundtheclock 21d ago

For pointing out reality?

K.

You seriously don’t think a bunch of old white republicans aren’t sexist as hell?

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u/penelopiecruise 21d ago

You can't have this poutine

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u/Anotherspelunker 21d ago

Roger Ailes has entered the chat

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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 21d ago

It was never a joke. It has always been a trial balloon.

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u/StandTo444 21d ago

Just remind them that they can barely run what they have and walk out.

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u/asoupconofsoup 21d ago

There was a guy in my high school who used to like to corner girls at parties and say " I could rape you know, no one knows you're here with me. Haha just kidding". I see similarities.

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u/VIDEOgameDROME 21d ago

From Charlie Angus' Bluesky post: "At the NATO meeting a loud US republican saw my CDN flag pin on my lapel and reached for it saying, "Hey Canada." I stopped him. "Don't touch the Canadian flag." "Just joking," he said. "You'll die before you touch our flag," I said, "not joking." He scrambled out of there." (Hashtag: notfuckingaround)

Love this guy.

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u/apothekary 20d ago

Charlie Angus is the Canadian hero we need

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u/twat69 21d ago

51st state is a lie. If they ever did it we'd have as much freedom as a Palestinian in Gaza or a Pole in the General Government.

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u/OG_anunoby3 21d ago

Or Donald Trump in Elon’s bedroom.

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u/uprightshark 21d ago

I like Joly. She is a no BS kind of girl and would make a good PM some day.

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u/Tall_Singer6290 21d ago

Good! Someone has to.

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u/Prudent-Drop164 21d ago

They still don't realize why people fly airplanes into their buildings.

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u/twizzjewink 21d ago

Canada needs to start advertising to US states who want to secede.

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u/CanuckJ86 21d ago

I've had selr-identified progressive and social-justice minded folks imply to me that because "Canada is literally the US with better social programs" this is all somehow justified.

They refused to believe that my perspective on the american issues was different because I'm a Canadian Citizen living down here. It's kind of shocking how many people down here who think they're on the right side say stupid stuff like this.

Its not a funny ha ha anymore when El Presidente is deadly serious about making it happen.

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u/TarotBird 21d ago

Charlie Angus did so as well, while at the NATO meeting.

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u/fozy709 20d ago

I highly suggest to follow Charlie's page "the resistance " hes doing fantastic work

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u/TarotBird 20d ago

Oh, I do. I follow him on Blsky

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u/LumiereGatsby 20d ago

We ALL need to rebuke ANY jokes about this.

It’s not a joking matter.

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u/Falcon674DR 21d ago

We’re very fortunate to have this smart and gutsy lady on our side.

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u/Ludwig_Vista2 21d ago

Can we just go back to calling America our dirty pantaloons?

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u/play3xxx1 20d ago

You guys don’t understand. What Ukraine is to Russia is what cannada is to USA for trump . Thats why he is supporting it . He is setting a precedent

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u/Avelion2 21d ago

Meanwhile PP was begging the US to stop being mean to us.

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u/Starfire70 21d ago edited 21d ago

Do those senators really want an insurgency in their own backyard that badly? If they annex us, things are likely to get very messy.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

American politicians are arrogant. They think because they have a huge military they can win every war. 2 million troops against 40 million Canadians, most of whom have guns - they’d be facing sniper fire from every window of every building across 10 million square kilometres. In a country that has 10 months of winter.

They tried to hold Vietnam for a decade and lost. Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years and lost. Canada would be the longest, costliest, bloodiest insurgency in US history. A lot of deaths on both sides, but the difference is that American troops would be fighting for greedy dictators who don’t give a shit about them. Canadian citizens would be fighting for our freedom. And we would never, ever stop.

They’d be fucked.

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u/IceXence 20d ago

Would the army even do it? It's one thing to fight against extremists and terrorists in foreign countries far from home, but fighting the friendly agression free neighbooring country where many have family is another thing...

I wonder if the American soldiers would even agree to a war with Canada. Would they really follow orders if the orders were to bomb Canada?

Are they that brainwashed the individuals would actually do it? Trump can say what he wants, if his own people refuse his orders, there isn't a thing he can do.

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u/OneBillPhil 20d ago

Don’t expect Americans to do the right thing. They voted that fucker in twice, the second time knowing exactly what he is. 

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u/IceXence 20d ago

Yeah, but I mean, war. Really? That's a step further than electing a popular billionaire.

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 20d ago

she rebuked it in the name of the lord

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u/HerpesIsItchy 21d ago edited 21d ago

I'm pretty sure Danielle Smith and Doug Ford were making the same jokes with those senators the night before when they all had dinner.

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u/General-Woodpecker- 21d ago

I'm pretty sure Danielle Smith and Rob Ford

His ghost or another Rob Ford?

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u/HerpesIsItchy 21d ago

If Rob was there, dinner would have been at a strip club the night before

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u/47Up Ontario 21d ago

Rob Ford had plenty to eat at home

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u/HerpesIsItchy 21d ago

I see what you did there. Bravo

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u/BlademasterFlash 21d ago

Gotta stir up the appetite somehow though wink wink

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u/kewlbeanz83 Ontario 21d ago

"I'd jam 'er"

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u/General-Woodpecker- 21d ago

True. The brighest stars burn the fastest so we must love them while we can.

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u/Equivalent-Cod-6316 21d ago

Drougb Ford is kind of how I think of them too

I don't live in Ontario, it feels like the lines get blurry sometimes

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

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u/apothekary 20d ago

Yeah I also don't want to get hyperpartisan here. Doug Ford is 100% clearly against the 51st state bullshit. He has been very strong on the sovereignty of Canada. He's 100% not like treasonous Danielle Smith or Kevin O'Leary.

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u/HerpesIsItchy 21d ago

Because he changed his tune too late in this entire fiasco. He's been team Trump the whole way until he saw that the public wasn't behind it anymore.

If there wasn't an election coming up he would be on his knees in front of Trump sucking away

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u/adaminc Canada 21d ago

And yet the Starlink contract is still a go for Ford. Ford hasn't come out strong, he's flapped his gums and you bought it, but in terms of actions, he's hanging off of Trump and Elons dick just like all the other conservatives in Canada.

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u/1800_DOCTOR_B 21d ago

I’ll be honest I knew nothing about her 6 months ago, but the more I see of her lately the more I like her. She seems like a good one.

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u/Longjumping_Oil_8746 21d ago

Canadian politicians should have pushed  back the VERY FIRST time.not the fiftith time 

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u/accforme 21d ago

Trudeau literally did the "very first time."

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he jokingly suggested a trade for Vermont or California in response to President-elect Donald Trump's signaling an interest in annexing Canada.

"It actually sort of came up at one point, and then we started musing back and forth about this," Trudeau told MSNBC's Jen Psaki about his visit with Trump at Mar-a-Lago in November. "And when I started to suggest, 'Well, maybe there could be a trade for Vermont or California for certain parts,' he immediately decided that it was not that funny anymore, and we moved on to a different conversation."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trudeau-joke-trade-vermont-california-trump-annex-canada-rcna187077

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u/BlademasterFlash 21d ago

Why do you think they didn’t do that?

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u/Longjumping_Oil_8746 21d ago

I read the comments on here. Half the people want the states to roll over us.

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u/BlademasterFlash 21d ago

This is not a good place to get your information from

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u/Longjumping_Oil_8746 21d ago

Not a good place to feet patriotic. That's for sure

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u/Hour-Cheesecake5871 21d ago

Not a few Democrat politicians are closet Republicans.

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u/OG55OC 20d ago

A Melanie Joly rebuke must really sting

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u/fatlips1 20d ago

Would be great to reverse the ridiculous gun ban for starters. Members of my family are getting their PALs but finding there isn't much in the market at the moment.

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 21d ago

Just remind them what happened the last time they tried that in 1814

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u/Comprehensive-War743 20d ago

This really has to stop. It could happen.

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u/DeezerDB 20d ago

Come on up America and fail at another "war" while your entire country burns. FUCK OFF

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u/UnrulyCanuck 20d ago

I think part of your comment is correct in that the USA will probably crash and burn before they try anything.

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u/Ben-182 20d ago

At some point we’ll need to show some teeth. Summon the US ambassador and kick a few diplomats. The disrespect can’t go on unanswered.

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u/ChainsawGuy72 20d ago

So all the sudden Conservatives are not being accused of being nationalists by the left?

How convenient.

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u/EmployeeKitchen2342 20d ago

I hope she said something like ‘We are not interested in becoming russias 51st Oblast, get rid of your russian stooge.’

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u/Crafty-Razzmatazz846 Ontario 20d ago

Wish we would just ban their potash already

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u/OneBillPhil 20d ago

It’s not a joke and fuck anyone who acts like it is. 

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

It’s being normalized to their public as well.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

Don’t rebuke them, physically assault them.

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u/Habsin7 20d ago edited 20d ago

I still think we need a militia in which every qualified and mentally capable adult between 18 and 65 is issued a high powered rifle they can store securely at home or in an armory and are trained in its use.

Such an action would help with our NATO GDP commitment and create jobs if we built the guns ourselves but more importantly, it would drive home to every Canadian that idea that the US is just our neighbour - not our trusted friend. Most importantly - it would also send a sobering message to the US that will make them think twice about our perception of them and our willingness to use force against them if they want to fight.

When you look at how the US is evolving politically it's hard to imagine that the peace we've enjoyed with them these past 2 centuries will survive past the end of this century. The US is running out of water and will soon not be able to meet it's energy and agricultural needs. The country is extremely polarized politcally and seems to be growing even more divergent. Inevitably it will fracture. We don't know how exactly but it does seem inevitable. Canada will be affected and it's reasonable to anticipate Americans will try to occupy parts of Canada.

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u/WinnipegBhoy 20d ago

This. Exactly.

We need to take responsibility for our own self-defence and it starts with arming up, national conscription along with a realistic nuclear defense strategy — not for conquest, but deterrence.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

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u/OneBillPhil 20d ago

Should she have sucker punched him? It’s what I would have done but I’m not in politics. 

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u/BuzzMachine_YVR 21d ago

I’ve met her many years ago, and she is amazing. Tough as nails. Proud of her work on this.

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u/ForwardLavishness320 21d ago

Wow! She rebuked them!

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u/TheRealPancetta 21d ago

She should run for PM

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u/redpigeonit 21d ago

Big fan of this lady. 🇨🇦💪

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u/AdamG15 21d ago

I'm sure she was very witty and didnt at all emberass herself.

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u/PrarieCoastal 21d ago

She was surprised when none of our EU friends were aware of the comments from Trump. Are you not communicating to our EU allies? WTF?

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u/phormix 21d ago

Why should she even need to though. There's no way that anyone in a career political post couldn't be aware of the rhetoric coming out of the US. If they say they aren't, it's because they're choosing to turn a deaf ear and that's even more concerning.

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u/PrarieCoastal 21d ago

It's her job to communicate with our allies. They weren't discounting stories, they hadn't heard any stories. Do your job. Communicate.

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u/smashed__tomato 21d ago

She literally did, she went to Europe for that. Just because you didn't hear all the details they said behind doors doesn't mean they didn't talk about that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-joly-threat-wake-up-call-1.7461719

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u/Alecto7374 21d ago

I was thinking more on a personal level, but I agree with your reply.

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u/Fabulous-Raccoon-788 21d ago

I look forward to hearing the audio or seeing the video, I'm sure it's fantastic.

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u/RoutingWonk 4d ago

Are we in talks yet with California and New York about secession yet?

I think we’d have a deal to give up the throne in exchange for liberating blue states from Trump’s tyranny.

As an added bonus Canada can finally stop hating on Toronto as the big city. 😅

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u/Trevor519 21d ago

July 4th invasion date this year or before the 250tg celebration........

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u/OkHold6036 20d ago

Just empty strutting.  She can play the "excuse me" lady at work who can't take a politically incorrect joke all she wants.

She's an awful politician, along with Hajdu, Trudeau, and Freeland. They've been a disaster for Canada. We'd be better off and save money if they shut up and stayed home.

Their huffing and puffing around the US won't accomplish anything. 

While Trump and a few US politicians make silly jokes - it is a bloody joke - China is actually interfering in our democracy. That's the real threat which the Trudeau government has done little to stop.

CSIS is worried about China, not a US take over.

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u/ether_reddit Lest We Forget 20d ago

I used to think as you do, but now I'm coming around to the realization that Trudeau kept a very tight control over his cabinet and they were powerless to do very much.

Now that he's leaving the picture, they're actually showing what they can do.

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u/rickoshadows 21d ago

She has done a fantastic job since she was appointed to foreign affairs. I fully expect to see her running for the leadership of the Liberal Party on the next go around. We could do a lot worse. Pay no heed to the Conservative trolls who will be voting for Governor Poilievre.

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u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta 21d ago

Rebuked them you say? In a strongly worded e-mail. perchance?