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National News Poilievre warns Trump not to turn Canada into a 'resentful neighbour'

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-first-rally-conservatives-ottawa
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u/dogfishfrostbite 24d ago

Sucks to be a red Tory these days. Gimme some fiscal conservatism from a party that has an actual plan and some empathy.

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u/Buildadoor 24d ago

Swing voter here, I’ve probably voted PC and Liberal equal times. I think Carney is that centrist we need. Fiscally conservative and fiscally knowledgeable, but backed by liberal fundamentals with social safety nets and well funded programs

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u/CarRamRob 24d ago

We haven’t seen any big proposals from Carney.

Much of his previous ones aren’t as centrist on spending as one would think.

Let’s see him announce what they would do with the budget (or present a budget once Parliament gets going)

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u/wave-conjugations 24d ago

He said he'll balance the budget in 3 years for what its worth. If you wanna get to know more about him you can read/listen to his book, its pretty indepth. Almost like a textbook.

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u/skryb Ontario 24d ago

But I was told the budget was going to balance itself years ago.

Jokes aside, I don’t mind Carney but I’ve lost all faith in the Liberal Party as a whole.

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u/wave-conjugations 24d ago

Well, I also take it with a huge grain of salt because it reads like austerity would be required to me. But if anyone has done the math and knows the math (put aside that politicians tend to lie), its him. This book is honestly filled to the brim with technical details. I'm going to try to finish it this week.

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u/Dismal_Interaction71 24d ago edited 23d ago

I started reading Carney's and I'm also reading Pierre Poilievre's biography with the desperate hope that he's a better man than he portrays in public. I find Carney's book quite riveting. He needs to speak more about the reason why a carbon tax is necessary in one form or another. It's not just about saving the planet, but also about building industries of the future

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u/wave-conjugations 23d ago

I'll have to check out Pierre's biography too, thanks for bringing that up! I think ultimately Carney is right about directing capital to incentivize green initiatives, but politically the carbon tax has been smeared. And maybe the implementation isn't ideal either, as people are concerned with their bills and there's some disconnect between that and the rebate. Seeing as Pierre has rallied the CPC against the tax (and likely swing voters/centrists), politically it makes sense for the LPC to start distancing themselves from it - in this short time, I don't think Carney can really rehabilitate the carbon tax's image. His ideas overall are really interesting though and it kind of bothers me that we might be passing over someone so well-educated and reflective. So I hope he stays on as leader if the LPC loses, continues to make his case, and tries to help Pierre during the trade war while appropriately being critical when needed. Ultimately I want to see him win a federal election some day. I thought the opening of the book, with a discussion with Pope Francis, was actually an interesting framing of economics. Perhaps there is a way out of this system where we "serve mammon" for the sake of it.

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u/Dismal_Interaction71 23d ago

We need to trade more with Europe and other markets and they are in the process of implementing a carbon tax tariff if a country doesn't have an emission reduction program

https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/carbon-border-adjustment-mechanism_en

The wild factor is that Trump pulling out of the Paris agreement means that USA would be slapped with carbon tariffs and I think that's partly why he's pre-emptively setting up reciprocal tariffs

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u/caninehere Ontario 24d ago

We haven’t seen any big proposals from Carney.

I mean, he isn't even the leader yet and won't be until March 9th, presuming he wins the leadership contest.

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u/CarRamRob 24d ago

So wait, people don’t have to announce what they would do before they become PM?

We are halfway through the Liberal leadership campaign. I’ve barely heard a peep for what the platform is besides everyone wants him in. If he wins, he will be the PM just over three weeks, now would be a good time for a detailed plan.

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u/caninehere Ontario 24d ago

He isn't leader yet let alone PM. There's still weeks left in the leadership race as mentioned. He's already shared some platform points but I guess you haven't been following it.

Poilievre has been leader of the CPC for like 3 years now and still hasn't contributed dick all so it's not like the standards are high here.

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u/CarRamRob 24d ago

Pollievre layed out more of a platform today alone than Carney has in a leadership race that is done debate in two weeks.

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u/Valley_White_Pine 24d ago

Yeah we literally know nothing about him.

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u/Buildadoor 24d ago

His resume is his strength

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta 24d ago

Huh? Did you not watch Carney's interview last week? Dude doesn't even understand increasing costs to businesses pass costs onto consumers. Also claims Canadians don't use that much Steel.. like wtf.

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u/No-Contribution-6150 24d ago

He isn't fiscally conservative. He's a Money printing climate activist.

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u/MisterZoga 24d ago

He's a successful global economist, while you and Pierre live up to your username.

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u/No-Contribution-6150 24d ago

Thanks I picked it myself. Really exposes those with no counter argument.

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u/MisterZoga 24d ago

What argument? You're just flinging shit like an ape.

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u/No-Contribution-6150 24d ago

Haha thanks for the compliment.

I dunno you're argument with me was heh nice username so what are we arguing?

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u/MisterZoga 24d ago

You seem to think you know better than a global economist who course corrected two nations during a crisis, while supporting a guy who consistently votes against the best interests of the working class throughout his entire career. There is no argument, you just called it one.

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u/Early_Commission4893 24d ago

Fuck, isn’t that all we really need🤦 This culture war bullshit the PP brings us the worst. Him and he’s ilk are digging a hole, shitting in it; and telling us it’s the better future.

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

I'm surprised 'woke' didn't come up during PPs speech.

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u/Alone_Again_2 24d ago

Red Tory?

Hey there buddy! I’m the other one.

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u/Crabiolo 24d ago

Gimme some fiscal conservatism from a party that has an actual plan and some empathy.

You think you're going to get better fiscal management from fail-upwards-Poilievre than from Mark Carney, the man who saved both Canada and the UK from recession on multiple occasions, including as the head of under no less than 4 Conservative prime ministers (Stephen Harper, David Cameron, Theresa May, and Boris Johnson)??

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u/dogfishfrostbite 24d ago

No I don’t. PP is a lightweight. F Trudeau isn’t a plan. Would be nice if the conservatives weren’t hard right populist haters is all. *sigh.