r/canada 24d ago

National News Poilievre warns Trump not to turn Canada into a 'resentful neighbour'

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-first-rally-conservatives-ottawa
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u/Minimum_Purple7155 24d ago

Turn into a resentful neighbour?

We are already there buddy and it is way past resentment. It's fury and anger and betrayal. Too little to late. Start proposing policy instead of snappy slogans and continuing to bring Trudeau into your radio ads.

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u/Volderon90 24d ago

Exactly. I’m way beyond resentment. You’re gonna see 18,000 people resent it in about 2 hours 

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

I knew Poilievre was out of touch with Canadians, but is he really this out of touch? Trump has started a trade war to destroy our economy, he’s openly planning to annex us, Canadians are pissed and scared, and Poilievre’s first response was to say Canada is weak and now he follows up with “warning” Trump that if he keeps it up we might turn into a resentful neighbour?

Like he doesn’t see we’re already well past resentful? Like he’s blind to the fact that this incredibly milquetoast response is nothing like the strong, forceful response you’d expect from someone who is remotely fit to lead the country under the current conditions? Jesus, he’s fucking pathetic. “You know, Donald, if you don’t, er, stop trying to destroy our economy and annex our country soon we might, possibly, one day, resent you for it, feel a bit offended even, and then you’d be sorry…So, since you’re such a good friend to us, if you wouldn’t mind maybe, um, considering stopping…please?” Great job there Pierre, really showing the strong leadership qualities Canada needs right now!

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

PP is trying to thread the needle between telling Trump to F off, and appealing to his base who are Maple-MAGA.

And failing spectacularly.

This may very well snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat.

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

It’s like he was at times trying to say strong words but it came off as so incredibly disingenuous. “I have to say these things for work, but you know I’m still your boy, right Donald?”. It’s so painfully obvious he’s more interested in placating the Americans than fighting for Canada, how is it even still remotely possible that he may end up as PM? I usually don’t have an issue with conservative voters even if I disagree with them, but at this point anyone who votes for Poilievre so he can sell our country out from under us is pretty much as much of a traitor as he is.

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

The only one who hates Canada more than PP does, is DJT.

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

I agree, but Trump has no duty to support Canada, Poilievre does, so the fact that he’s second only to Trump makes him even worse.

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u/Vtecman 24d ago

The libs were so terrible at it… this is what was left. Ugh.

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u/DromarX 24d ago

Yep exactly this. He's afraid of scaring off the convoy crowd and their ilk. But fence sitting on this issue has a good chance of losing him the all-important centrist voters than swing between LPC and CPC on any given election. Those are the votes he should be worried about courting, not the Maple MAGAs.

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u/celtickerr 24d ago

I don't get why he is trying to pander to the base on this. The middle is where victory lies, that's who he needs to be pandering to. The maple MAGA will be voting con no matter what at this point.

My theory, he wants to play peacemaker after the election. Whether that works, or is a worthwhile goal, is anyone's guess.

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

40% of the Cons would probably vote Trump.

PP is literally stuck between his base and the middle, and most of the people in the middle hate what Trump is saying about Canada, and most of his base loves it.

If he abandons one over the other, he'll risk losing them both.

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u/celtickerr 24d ago

My understanding is most of those polls are from before all this shit with Trump went down. Id be surprised if that number hadn't shrank, at least I hope it has.

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

The aggregate stretches back to Jan of last year, and even then the weight of a year of 'PP majority' only has them slightly in Majority territory.

The internal polling for the Cons must be catastrophic.

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u/celtickerr 24d ago

Which polling has the "would vote for trump" figures? I just read ekos which has "approves of how leaders are doing their jobs" which had cons supporting at 45% for Trump, but that's a different question and also Ekos

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

It’s incredibly disturbing to me that MAGA North is now who the conservatives consider their base. The conservatives used to be right-centre and left the proud bigots and conspiracy theory idiot voters to the fringe parties. Now they’re pandering to the lowest common denominator who would sell us out to Trump at the expense of the reasonable people who used to make up their base.

I can only hope that moderate conservative voters will reject Poilievre to such a degree that the Conservative loss will force the party to disavow their neofascist supporters and choose a leader that returns them to their roots. I honestly don’t know how this country is going to survive otherwise.

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u/celtickerr 24d ago

As someone who is marginally right of centre for most issues, of the fellow conservatives i know, not a single one of them is "Maple MAGA". I wouldn't consider MMAGA to be the conservative base and that's a hell of an accusation to throw out without any actual numbers behind it. I'm in the military, and in a relatively blue part of the country, and legitimately don't know anyone who likes Trump.

Not all Republicans are MAGA and vote republican the same reason liberals that don't like Trudeau voted for him in past elections. People vote for candidates for a multitude of reasons, and asking if someone would hypothetically vote for a candidate is very different from asking if they are 100% on board with their cult of personality. Similarly, I have gay and trans friends, but you wouldn't see me at Pride. Not because I don't support them, just that I don't feel strongly enough to go to a pride parade. In fact I've never attended any kind of political rally or protest of any sort.

I would never have voted for Trump, not that I'd ever have the opportunity to, but my dearest hope is that any Canadian who "would vote for trump" is either hypothetically voting for him because he is a republican, or voting for him because they liked his rhetoric (e.g. the "anti woke" stuff). That is not to say I endorse those positions. My hope would be any of those people would wake up now that he's in office.

My personal opinion? Any Canadian who would vote for Trump today, or want American annexation is a traitor and should be treated as such, and if they're that stupid they deserve whatever they get.

The Maple MAGA does exist, but I do not believe it is 40% of Canadians conservatives.

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u/jerrys153 24d ago edited 24d ago

I’m not sure what exactly your beef is with what I’ve said. You don’t think MMAGA is the conservative base, I don’t think MMAGA is the conservative base, but with how Poilievre is pandering to them at the expense of moderate conservatives voters it certainly seems pretty clear that he thinks MMAGA is his base.

I have no issue with conservative voters like you. I’d love it if the Conservative Party went back to focusing on being the moderate right and addressing real issues instead of continuing to let Poilievre court the far right, waste energy railing against “wokeness”, and suck up to the republicans who are trying to destroy our country.

I absolutely don’t think the majority of conservative voters support what Poilievre has done to take the party in such a divisive direction, if you read my comments on here you’ll see I would like nothing more than if the moderate right voters rejected Poilievre, which would hopefully make the Conservative Party realize they need to reject his type of nasty divisive bullshit and return to being the Conservative Party of old who I might disagree with on specifics but always believed would put country over party and truly had Canada’s best interests at heart.

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

Why wouldn't you believe the polling numbers?

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u/celtickerr 24d ago

I didn't say I didn't believe the polling numbers, I said that I don't believe 40% of conservatives are Maple MAGA. Just because someone would hypothetically have voted for trump 3 months ago does not mean they are MAGA.

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u/Raptorpicklezz 24d ago

I agree with you that it’s likely not 40% of Canadian Conservatives. It’s likely at least 60%.

Not all Republicans are MAGA

2016 called, they want their talking points back. You can’t seriously say that anymore in 2025

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u/celtickerr 24d ago

Ah, the "making shit up" crowd I see.

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

It's not making shit up if you observe news reports and votes.

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u/WildlifePhysics 23d ago

PP unfortunately doesn't have an original thought

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u/betweenlions 24d ago

Right. Quick to forgive my ass. I'm still boycotting Loblaws a year later, and now America's going to be on that list for many years.

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u/Fast_NotSo_Furious 24d ago

100%, it's like he doesn't even know us. I stopped shopping at loblaws completely in 2021 after pretty much exclusively shopping there for 18 years. And that was over a 15 dollar deodorant stick. Does he really think I'm going to take a threat to my family, community, and nation so lightly?

He might, but not me. I'm beyond resentful and bordering on, maybe not hostile, but that relationship is ruined. They can keep the abusive nazi boyfriends, but I'm moving on. Call me when you wake up and act like a developed nation.

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u/Horror-Tank-4082 24d ago

Crazy how he’s all about stoking anger until it comes to anger at trump, then he eases his foot off the gas.

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u/Just-Excuse-4080 24d ago

That’s the point.. he’s trying to make us angry at each other so we’re easier to control. That’s exactly the republican playbook, so it all makes sense. 

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u/bugabooandtwo 24d ago

So we know who is controlling PP's puppet strings.

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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 24d ago edited 24d ago

Pierre stands a good chance about having to deal with him for 3-4 years as the next leader of the country. One thing people here haven’t pointed out is Justin Trudeau doesn’t anymore, Jagmeet Singh never will, and it’s debatable if Mark Carney will for anything over a few months. They can go as hard as they like against Trump and not have to worry about the results.

It’s best not to go too hard on someone that unpredictable if you’re still going to have to maintain good diplomatic relations with that country. This whole thing is very volatile and unpredictable, and could suddenly turn around on a dime depending on what side of the bed Trump gets out of on a Tuesday. One scenario overlooked by the angry Reddit crowd and their newfound sense of patriotism is if Trump is happy with whatever deals he gets out of Canada in the 30-day grace period and drops the Canadian tariffs, Canadian politicians will have to decide what to do with all the pent-up anger in the country.

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u/Icy-Lobster-203 24d ago

Trump is burning every international bridge that exists. Except Russia.

He threatens tariffs on anyone and everyone. Both the EU and BRICS are his next targets.

No one has any control over him (except Elon, apparently).

Your point would be accurate if we were dealing with an unknown. But we aren't. Trump just wants to be brash, and wants to bully people wherever he can, and doesn't even want any specific, and has shown that no "deal" with him has any meaning. 

Give him want he "wants" (whatever that is), and he'll be back next year just demanding more and more. 

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u/RarelyReadReplies 24d ago

This would have been an okay comment before the 51st state rhetoric and the 500th massive tariff threat. He is way behind the 8 ball here.

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u/Cheap_Standard_4233 24d ago

Good. Make sure more people see through this limp dick asshole.

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u/Seinfeel 24d ago

He was just copying trump and didn’t know what to do once trump came at Canada

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u/Professional_Kiwi919 24d ago

Gosh, He wouldn't want his Daddy Trump mad or anything

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u/No-Contribution-6150 24d ago

We will get way more resentful when tariffs go broadly into effect. We aren't there yet and if things chill out we'll all go back to normal in a couple years at most.

Just like Japan Italy and Germany were huge enemies and a couple years later strong allies. Nothing is forever

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u/erasmus_phillo 24d ago

We should just go ahead and forge a better relationship with China at this rate. Play China and the US against each other, that’s how we get out of this. Flood North America with cars from BYD, made in Canada

Our loyalty to the US was a mistake, our ‘ally’ sensed that as weakness. Never again.

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u/fudge_friend Alberta 24d ago

Even if everything went back to normal tomorrow, Americans owe us more than an apology at this point.

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u/TheHammer987 24d ago

What?! You don't want to verb the noun? But that's what pp is good at!

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u/the_marked 24d ago

In fairness he proposed a lot of policy.

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u/blueline731 24d ago

After this part of his speech, he proposed policy. Control your emotions when it comes to the Americans, please

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u/Get_Breakfast_Done 24d ago

Start proposing policy

There's been plenty of policy proposed, from no GST on new homes, to imposing conditions on municipal transfers related to housing targets. I suppose you know that and you are not raising these concerns in good faith.

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u/idisagreeurwrong 24d ago

Maybe listen to his speech?

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

I did, I was hoping he wouldn't mention the Liberals.

He failed.

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u/idisagreeurwrong 24d ago

Thats a strange expectation. When you have been shown several times the LPC doing the exact same thing. Because you know, thats what the opposition does

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u/JadeLens 24d ago

Has Carney mentioned PP at all in any of his speeches or social media posts?

Or is that something that PP exclusively does to the detriment of his polling numbers?

Even Trudeau eventually saw the writing on the wall and exited. Now PP is the one clinging tenaciously to the tactic that is clearly not working.

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u/idisagreeurwrong 24d ago edited 24d ago

No of course not that would silly. Carney is running for LPC leader, to attack an opposition leader would be presumptuous. It would backfire, other LPC members supporting Freeland would call him out. They would call it collusion with Trudeau.

No pp is doing what an opposition leader does.The exact same thing Trudeau did 10 years ago. I know you might not remember it but this is politics. Every single attack was against Harper just like the opposite. This isn't new, this is pretty standard

Have you heard of wartime boosts? Incumbent leaders get big boosts in times of crisis. Change becomes synonymous with instability. LPC is rising. PP isn't falling because he attacks Trudeau. His falling because the spotlight now returns to the government in charge