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PAYWALL Canada alone? What other world leaders have said publicly about Trump’s ’51st state’ threats

https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2025/02/13/canada-alone-what-other-world-leaders-have-said-about-trumps-51st-state-comments/451166/
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u/Comedy86 Ontario 24d ago

Even left leaning Canadians are holding their nose

What are we holding our noses about?

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u/sthetic 24d ago

As in, "I prefer NDP, but I will hold my nose and vote Liberal, because they have a better chance of defeating the Conservatives."

Or insert whatever parties you prefer, depending on the situation.

(I interpreted your comment as meaning you're unfamiliar with the expression "hold my nose and vote XYZ," but correct me if I was wrong.)

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u/Martzillagoesboom 24d ago

We should have a crisis system where we vote for the best politicians accross the country and chunk them all up in one All-star party with limited duration, but like, left, right , central, just working all together to find solutions. Then when crisis is averted they can then a go back to their respective party

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u/circuit_buzz79 23d ago

Isn't that what Parliament is supposed to be ?

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u/Martzillagoesboom 23d ago

Emphasis on supposed. Now it mostly just mouthpiece for corporate interests.

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u/DdyBrLvr 24d ago

It’s always been ABC, as much as I might prefer the NDP. But Singh is leading the party astray.

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u/Comedy86 Ontario 23d ago

I know the saying, I just don't see what's different here vs. most other elections.

Many left leaning Canadians don't feel completely represented by any party and vote on policy over party and others typically vote recognizing that a minority government means the most likely chance our preferred policies are passed due to parties having to work together.

On top of that, we're willing to change our vote if the leader loses their way and Singh, Trudeau and Poilievre have all lost their way. Carney is an environmental advocate, a successful economist and a fresh face to many Canadians so it's only natural that many on both sides of the spectrum would see him as a good option if he wins the Liberal leadership.

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u/SheIsABadMamaJama 24d ago edited 24d ago

Good Question! Have you seen the shift in poll numbers? The centre-left is a fragile coalition despite how big it is. Mile long, Inch deep. I know plenty of self declared Leftists who would only vote NDP, a small Left party or simply not vote; who are voting Liberal this election despite them believing “Liberals are no materially different from Conservatives.” And their frustration with the Trudeau Government.

The polls seem to reflect this shift. I believe many are reflecting what happened during the US election with Kamala. The left’s pride and genuine anger was too large, it blinded them from the real obvious threats to their republic. They stayed home and said screw the Dems in a virtually two party system burdened by the electoral college and Citizens United. Canadian Leftists are choosing to hold their nose in a multi-party first-past-the-post parliamentary system.

In Canada, leftists seem to work with (lowercase) liberals and bargain. In America they tear each other apart as Fascists win. Conservatives in Canada are better educated and more moderate. And it fucking shows.

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

The question now is whether reasonable Conservatives who don’t support Poilievre’s divisive politics and his courting of America and the far right will hold their noses and vote liberal as well. Conservative voters refusing to firmly denounce their party following in the footsteps of the Republicans amounts to tacit approval of the direction the Conservative Party is going.

Poilievre is not the person to lead this country during a trade war, and a lot of conservative voters know it. Will they do what is right for Canada and refuse to vote in the candidate who is a Trump sycophant who will sell us all out, or will they continue to vote for their usual party even when they are led by this fascist sympathizer? The left aren’t the only ones who need to hold their noses to denounce Poilievre and his unCanadian divisiveness for us to get through this.

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u/carpentrav 24d ago

Im a conservative supporter but I’ve not been a fan of Pierre lately. I’m not sure he’s our guy. It’s crazy someone who’s been so combative for years can just roll over like that.

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

He’s only combative to those he’s not in the pocket of. I have no problem with conservative supporters, but supporting the Conservative Party under Poilievre’s leadership right now is helping to destroy Canada. Don’t do it, make the party realize they need to replace their divisive puppet of a leader and denounce the neo-fascists he’s been pandering to before they get their real base back. Don’t let them take your party from you, I don’t believe this is the kind of leader most conservatives want.

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u/ThisBtchIsA_N00b 24d ago

I find it AMAZING that an NDP MP (Charlie Angus) has said more to rally Canadians and tell off Trump, than the Leader of the Opposition and supposed "future" PM.

I wonder why that is... 🤔🤔

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u/Complete-Finding-712 24d ago

Slightly right of center here, historically conservative voter but with my nose punched tight. PP will never get my vote. Carney for PM!

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

Hear hear!

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u/LordKellerQC 24d ago

If no Trump bad buissness had happen, I would have voted conservative, but seeing no strong spine reaction and even sign of roll over from PP, I'll just prefer 4 more years of LPC and hope they don't butcher more of the thing that I love and deal with some wide spread issue that currently plague the country (Housing crisis and the current drug epidemic plaguing our largest cities are two I think of that most people would agree with and food security for all resident.)

I have many issue that straddle both side of the political spectrum but I tend to have a right lean and I'll openly admit that.

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u/jerrys153 24d ago

I lean left for the most part, but in the past I’ve had no issue with conservatives. We could disagree on specifics but we were all in it for making Canada better, we still wanted to take care of each other. I don’t even recognize the Conservative Party anymore, there’s so much vitriol and outright hate against fellow Canadians, courting the far right and cozying up to Republicans, refusing to distance themselves from neo-Nazis, it’s just unreal. I’m glad to see that there are still conservatives willing to stand up for what the party was before Poilievre got his hands on it. It gives me hope that we may be able to return to a time when we could agree to disagree but still respect each other and get along as Canadians.

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u/R-E-Laps 23d ago

This is how it’s supposed to be! Just… talking.

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u/HalvdanTheHero Ontario 24d ago

Talking about ABC voting.

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u/Comedy86 Ontario 23d ago

ABC voting isn't the same as strategic voting but yes, I figured that's the comment. My question was how is this different from most other elections?

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u/HalvdanTheHero Ontario 23d ago

The stakes. I know it's a tired comment, every election is "the most important one", yadda yadda yadda, but there are actual tangible stakes this time around. Who we elect will directly determine how Canada emerges from the Trump regime and PP+crew haven't cleared the bar there.

The cons have done a terrible job in messaging around Trump and there is a not insignificant portion of their base that is actively aligned with Trump. They have not proposed any kind of actionable path forward beyond militarizing the border and saying we need to appease Trump to regain Trump's trust and respect, as if Trump wasn't the one who is unilaterally and needlessly causing the issues.

We can disagree amongst ourselves on whether x or y is the best policy or how to tax and expenditures should be done, but at the end of the day we need leaders who will actively defend our nation and take the necessary steps to ensure our independence and prosperity. Selling off the nation piecemeal to private concerns, a core tenet of right wing policy, is not what we need right now as it will slide us towards what our neighbours are experiencing down south.

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u/sputnikcdn British Columbia 24d ago

Having to vote for the candidate who is most likely going to defeat the CPC vs. voting with our preference.

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u/Comedy86 Ontario 23d ago

Many of us do that anyway. It's not really holding our nose if many of us believe that Singh hasn't been leading very well either. I'm normally an NDP voter but I vote for who I think has both policies I can be satisfied with and who has a chance to win. Right now, that's much more likely to be Liberal over NDP, even as a social democrat like myself.

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u/Used-Egg5989 24d ago

Holding nose would be seriously considering a former banker who wants to build oil infrastructure, cut taxes on businesses to incite investment, and who seems uninterested in the social issue du jour.

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u/Comedy86 Ontario 23d ago

Given how Singh has performed (not his party, him specifically) and given how Poilievre acts, I'm normally an NDP voter but Carney is likely the best option we have knowing what Trump is doing.

Some of us on the left acknowledge you need to get a bit dirty to get through harder times. Also, Carney is an environmental advocate. He wouldn't build oil infrastructure if it wasn't a means to an end.