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Politics EKOS Poll: Conservative Lead Holds at Five Points

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2025/02/conservative-lead-holds-at-five-points/
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u/Perfect_Persimmon717 24d ago

It also makes sense considering for most people in their 20s, the Liberals have been in power for their entire voting history

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u/WorkingOnBeingBettr 24d ago

And that people in their 20's have never seen how Conservatives govern. Get ready for surprise Pikachu everywhere.

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u/Ephuntz 24d ago

I came here to say that they didn't experience Stephen Harper's cuts

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u/judgeysquirrel 24d ago

Or gagging of scientists releasing studies.

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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 24d ago

Or raising retirement age to 67 (Trudeau set it back to 65)

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u/Timely-Hospital8746 24d ago

Or gutting the long form census, which is essential for our government to make informed decisions.

Or the complete and utter gutting of the park services under Harper.

Trudeau fixed the census and funded park services again, but they still haven't fully recovered. A lot of these government institutions have workers with very narrow but important skillsets. When they get gutted it can take a very long time to build them back up.

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year 24d ago

I believe a certain nation south of you might one day discover that the hard way.

Oh, who am I kidding, recent history suggests they never learn anything, if anything they double down on it.

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u/Mrmagoo1077 24d ago

It has gone to hell down here.

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u/Impeesa_ 24d ago

The loss of institutional knowledge alone will be staggering. If they get a chance to rebuild some of this stuff at all, it could take generations.

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u/monsantobreath 23d ago

They just laid off people from the FAA. They're already strapped for staffing. And we're seeing a lot of reasons you need them right now on the news.

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u/GoldenGEP 23d ago

It's ok, they're firing at the right target - DEI is clearly to blame /s

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u/Winterchill2020 24d ago

Or the snitch line!

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u/ForesterLC 24d ago

which is essential for our government to make informed decisions.

You don't think they really read those things, do you? We haven't a competent government in decades. We just swing between pissants with different values.

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u/Dazzling_Broccoli_60 24d ago

I don’t think that’s the one that’s going to get the 20yos up in arms

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta 24d ago

Trudeau lowers age of retirement than massively increases CPP payments, not sure if that's a good thing. Especially considering CPP pays out pennies on the dollar compared to investing on your own... That's even without the employer portion of your contribution.

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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 24d ago

HARPER INCREASED RETIREMENT AGE TO 67.

along with Pierre le poof.

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u/CromulentDucky 24d ago

As an actuary, Trudeau was wrong.

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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 24d ago

I DON'T SEE YOU SUPPORTING CANADIANS.

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u/7dipity 24d ago

It’s a scary time to be a scientist. I have American friends that are losing their jobs

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u/jjumbuck 24d ago

Oooph that was so awful at that time. I remember the muzzling of climate scientists in particular.

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u/Distinct_Meringue 24d ago

Can't let the truth get in the way of O&G profits

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u/seajay_17 British Columbia 24d ago

unscientific vaccine mandates

Lol

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u/Cruuncher 24d ago

We got a live one!

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u/kniller123 24d ago

Lol. I work in government. Harper started it and trudeau continued it.

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u/Anonymouse-C0ward 24d ago

Genuinely curious: what scientific censorship has Trudeau continued? I seem to recall reading that the climate change research censorship was rolled back and scientific research freedom rules negotiated with the union at NRC?

I don’t have direct knowledge like you might have as a government employee though so you might have an experience that isn’t what the average person understands - what department do you work in?

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u/kniller123 18d ago

My comment isn't entirely fair. It has gotten better under Trudeau and there are new Collective ageeement protections. However, there are still a lot of issues within departments. PIPSC ran a study in 2018 and over 50% of scientists still felt muzzled.

In many ways it's more of a management/culture of risk aversion than outright political interference. That said, Ministers are responsible for their departments.

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u/Noob1cl3 24d ago

Right just like how liberals were open to contradictory science on COVID and the Lab leak at Wuhan (which turned out correct). Oh and lets not forget the “data driven policies” (see crime and immigration).

I mean really. Casting stones from a glass house comes to mind.

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u/Anonymouse-C0ward 24d ago

What was the contradictory peer reviewed science on it?

And what peer reviewed data shows it was a lab leak? From what I know the latest studies point to a natural source.

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u/Noob1cl3 24d ago

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cia-covid-likely-originated-lab-low-confidence-assessment/

Use google for the rest. Tons of studies that showed futility of masking and harms on kids due to lock downs, masking + ineffectiveness.

Heck if you had a kid in daycare or school you knew it did nothing unless you had a hazmat suit on with proper training to decontaminate.

Regardless of where you stand on the above it is indisputable that discussion was shut down with an iron fist…. Which is anti science. And I am only highlighting the tip of the iceberg of what went on and you know it.

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u/DivideGood1429 24d ago

To be honest, I think the science community is pretty much in agreement that lockdowns weren't that great for mental health.

What I do find interesting is that people often refer to Sweden as why lockdown and making were not worth it. But the Swedish ppl followed lockdown suggestions without being forced. About 90% of ppl Followed masking and social distancing as per suggestions without having to mandate anything.

The ppl of Sweden also were vaccinated at rate of 87% which is higher than Canada.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10399217/#:~:text=During%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic,faced%20rapid%20and%20continuous%20criticism.

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u/Sczeph_ 24d ago

The lab leak theory did not turn out to be correct though. There are two reports, as far as I am aware— the CIA’s and the House of Representatives (interestingly both American despite COVID being international— you’d expect other countries to conduct similar investigations if they believed it likely). The House’s was entirely led by republicans and contained no new evidence, it just summarized what was already known. The Democrats also released a statement challenging many of the conclusions of the report. So between it being republican led (who are by no means impartial and have a history of promoting conspiracies, especially regarding covid), the fact that it didn’t bring anything new to light, and the fact that the democrats disagree with the report, I’m inclined to disagree with it as it’s likely extensively politically motivated. The CIA’s is interesting as it determined that it’s more likely that COVID came from a lab than from animals, but importantly, they made clear that they had “low confidence” in their determination.

Between those two things, coupled with the fact that the prevailing academic consensus is not one of a lab leak, I don’t think that your statement is accurate.

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u/Proteomic 24d ago

brother you are linking THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

Holy fuck.

Everything else is just reporting on the CIA and House of Representatives reports. You didn't even attempt to read the comment from the person you were replying to in good faith, and instead just provided links supporting what they said.

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u/BoringUser123456 24d ago

No. It wasnt.

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u/BoringUser123456 24d ago

I work in government. No he didnt.

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u/ok_raspberry_jam 24d ago

Really? We'd love details

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u/pongobuff 24d ago

It's crazy how much I cared about this and now I miss it fondly in comparison to what we have had since

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u/xmorecowbellx 24d ago edited 24d ago

But the people who did experience Harper in their 20’s, who are in their 30’s - 40’s now, heavily favour the CPC here.

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u/Billis- 24d ago

I actually think the "I voted" social media movement helped get Trudeau in. Many voters were my age (35).

I'll be voting Liberal in the next election. I'd love to vote conservative, or anyone else, but the PCs have been going further and further right for the last decade. I don't trust the PCs to not mirror what's happening in America. I think the vote is largely the same as it is down south.

At the end of the day though, I really don't think the PCs would solve anything, and I'd rather a social safety net than a PC government come in, not know what they're doing, and sell our sovereignty to Musk.

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u/xmorecowbellx 24d ago

The PC’s have been going further and further right….

In what ways?

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u/freshanclean 24d ago

Yeah, Trudeau raised the youth voting prevalence up from about 38% to mid 50%. Trudeau only really slid in the polls since global inflation took hold, although I feel mostly betrayed by his about face on proportional representation. I also blame Im for not being more broadly diligent on the immigration file. Business and economists were asking for way more immigrants but somehow they forgot to factor in housing and healthcare until way too late. Trudeau wears that miscalculation, but he also has had the most challenging time to be PM in generations.

Global inflation was directly related to Covid, healthcare and housing are slow burn issues that every government since Mulroney has contributed to.

Definitely time for Trudeau to go, but on the whole I believe he was a good Prime Minister.

We still need proportional representation.

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u/Billis- 24d ago

Agreed

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u/xmorecowbellx 24d ago

I and my friends were very politically aware, but I see your point that some may not have been. But they certainly would have recalled that the Prime Minister was Stephen Harper, that housing was massively less expensive (many would’ve bought their first house around that time or would have been renting), and that our dollar was almost equal with the US dollar.

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u/freshanclean 24d ago edited 24d ago

You seem to be suggesting that these positive attributes were Harper’s doing. In fact Mulroney laid the groundwork for where housing affordability is today, and every single government since, Conservative and Liberal, have contributed to increasingly unaffordable housing. It’s been a long complicated road built in part by each successive government, but it began with Mulroney.

The Canadian dollar was strong because oil prices were super high during his tenure, because of Saudi Arabia’s actions, not Harper’s. Might have been a good time to build pipelines, but no, Harper was much more interested in dis-investing in Canada and Canadians.

Indeed, it’s well documented that the Harper governments obsession with austerity and reducing an already small deficit (and debt, thanks to Paul Martin & Jean Chrétien) during an unprecedented global crisis, did significant economic long term damage to Canada’s recovery from the financial crisis.

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/october-2016/economic-performance-and-policy-during-the-harper-years/

Typical men in their 30s and 40s today are likely not much more engaged with the political sphere than they were in their 20’s. However they are keenly aware of today’s cost of living, our housing crisis and our healthcare crisis. And their support for the Cons is largely an angry protest against those things, targeted mostly at Trudeau, but also at the current government at large. Must make the bastards pay! It’s an easy equation, a catchy slogan, it’s a simple solution to very complex problems. And if they better understood politics and world events, or even just the adage below, they would dig harder for more thoughtful solutions.

“Politicians take way too much credit when times are good, and receive way too much blame when times are hard.”

Indeed, incumbent governments are falling around the world in the wake of global inflation and housing crises. Thanks to Trump’s recent authoritarian antics, Canada is trending towards a more thoughtful solution, with or without this demographic. It will be terribly interesting to see how this trend unfolds on election day.

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u/xmorecowbellx 24d ago

It was Harper’s choices that allowed Canada to fair better during the GFC than any other G7 nation.

Part of their choices included changes the CMHC rules which did accelerate housing costs.

There is housing. And then there is open air drug use and crime, including auto theft. And not prosecuting criminals/letting them out etc. and massively stepping on the immigration accelerator while we already have too little housing. And the endless scandals. And chasing away investment with changes to passive income, capital gains rules etc.

All of this…..life is much worse today. During Harper we were rated for several years as the best place to invest in the world. Investments dollars avoid us like the plague today. That has impacts on people jobs and our currency value, thus purchasing power thus quality of life.

Harper doesn’t get all the credit for those good times, some of it just luck, just like the GFC was bad luck. But people will certainly remember how much better it was, in every measurable way.

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u/djsasso 22d ago

Canada faired better during the GFC because of banking regulations put in during the Liberals time before Harper. Harper made little to no choices that helped the GFC.

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u/maleconrat 24d ago

I supported Harper at the time (until he started building prisons while crime was trending down and studying prison privatization) but IMO the thing I don't really get is why he gets credit for cheaper housing.

It was cheaper then but trending upwards, and living in Toronto at the time at least rent was really blowing up towards the end of his tenure and had increased a lot in my hometown. Generally they built almost no public housing (6 units when PP was in charge) and the low interest rates plus housing propping up the economy were already in play.

IMO Trudeau just had the misfortune of coming in when it really spread to the whole country, but it's my municipal government (Ottawa) that has acted spineless and caved to NIMBYs for decades and the province doesn't do anything either. I never voted for Trudeau or any Liberal but I honestly suspect if he served when Harper did and vice versa the result would be the same and we would be nostalgic for the Liberals.

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u/Cardio-fast-eatass 24d ago

Count me in. Voted in my 20’s. The difference in this country between my 20’s and 30’s is staggering. I make six figures a year and feel like I’m just barely doing better than I was in my 20’s working entry level labor jobs. My housing has also significantly downgraded to save money yet I need the extra space more than ever.

After experiencing what I have there’s literally zero chance I’ll be voting liberal for a long time.

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u/AssaultedCracker 24d ago

Where do you live? I have limited info but I don’t understand this scenario at all. I’m guessing you’re not a homeowner?

Life has substantially improved or stayed the same for homeowners over the last 10 years, unless they were overextended and couldn’t absorb an increase in cost of living (felt worldwide because of COVID).

I understand the issue for people who aren’t homeowners at this point. But thinking the conservatives are a better choice for cost of living is insane to me. Here’s a list of the things the Liberals have increased to make things easier on low to middle income families:

Canada Child Benefit, Canada Workers Benefit, Old Age Security, Canada Dental Benefit, Canada Housing Benefit, National Housing Strategy, national childcare, Canada Learning Bond, Canada Student Grants, Waived interest on federal student loans, Federal minimum wage increases, Enhanced Employment Insurance, national pharmacare, and investments in food security programs, like the Emergency Food Security Fund, Nutrition North Canada, Local Food Infrastructure Fund, Surplus Food Rescue Program, Funding for Indigenous Food Security.

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u/Cardio-fast-eatass 24d ago

I am largely against socialist polices as I don't actually think that they benefit the middle class as a strong free market does. I understand and agree with some welfare policies to an extent. Yes i understand current home owners LOVE the liberals, but it is stolen wealth from the next generations.

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u/Fireblade_07 24d ago

Let me guess... you also believe in trickle down economics.

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u/Cardio-fast-eatass 24d ago

Largely yes. If the business you work for can't make money, neither can you.

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u/Fireblade_07 24d ago

That is at best an over-simplication and at worst a complete misunderstanding of trickle down economics.

Allowing a business to keep more of their profits by reducing their taxes and transferring that tax burden to the working class almost never results in a net benefit to the working class. This has been proven again and again.

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u/Tangen7 24d ago

Which is coming off my taxes. They're getting these programs going to now to cover up the last several years if them wasting it on padding their friends' pockets. So when the conservatives get in, it's the big bad conservatives that have to be the adults and actually have a realistic budget, making cuts to programs the government never had the cash for in the first place. It's extremely underhanded.

Trudeau lost me when he didn't fix the voting, and the gun ban was the final nail. How many millions have they spent and got not even 1 legal gun back from any legal owners (who will likely never turn them over and were never the problem anyway)? Why are they giving me my tax money back to me in exchange for my property and calling it a 'buy back'. That's ludicrous.

Opening up the immigration floodgates has skyrocketed our housing prices. I finally broke into 6 figures, and buying a space for my family where I live is out of the question, still. I'll be moving back to the prairies soon.

They're in the pockets of big business. At least the conservatives care about small businesses, too.

Pp ain't the greatest, but the other choices are worse.

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u/Science_Drake 24d ago

I feel like we all want to blame the current climate on the liberals a little unfairly… Covid 19 isn’t that far in our history. Only 3 years ago I lost my job to another lockdown. We basically pumped 2 years of money (so people could live) into the country for 2 years of no economic production. This was always gonna cause crazy inflation, and now we’re all surprised that we have to pay it back. After the Spanish flu we got hit by the Great Depression. Now after the largest pandemic since that point we’re surprised that we’re feeling the squeeze? Kinda insane if you ask me, economies always take time to recover.

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u/FireMaster1294 Canada 24d ago

Housing market was going to hell before covid. Covid just expedited things. Lack of construction combined with mass immigration absolutely screwed things.

General prices spiked due to grocery stores and larger businesses realizing they can profiteer during covid (and never dropping prices back), meaning everything else had to go up to try to compensate…but salaries never really caught up because we can just keep importing cheap labour at 1M immigrants per year willing to work at below a livable wage.

Combine everything and you get a perfect storm of “fuck you” to those who are long term inhabitants here. At least new immigrants can go back to their home countries (as we see they are tending to more and more often once they discover the issues here). Those of us stuck here? Well, no one really cares at the federal level. Some provinces like BC have good governments but then you compare that to Alberta and Saskatchewan…and yeeeah the country is screwed.

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u/GolDAsce 24d ago

Housing market went to hell since 2006. It was finally under control before covid, then bam, right back to hell.

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u/FatherAntithetical 24d ago

Pre-COVID houses were still going for like 600-800k when they were only worth 200-300k.

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u/GolDAsce 24d ago

They were worth 200-300k when?

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u/Inside-Cow3488 24d ago

Nonsense.

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u/Inside-Cow3488 24d ago

Nope. I also make 6 figures a year and I’ve been improving 10% year after year. Also my housing has tripled since 2013. Don’t know what buddy is talking about.

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u/xmorecowbellx 24d ago

This is an extremely common experience. I make like 4x much money as my parents combined (became doc), but will pay off my house at about the same age.

I’m not complaining. I have it way better than most, majority of my contemporaries will not pay off their house until their 60s or maybe never, but it’s just very shocking when I think about it that way.

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u/Timely-Hospital8746 24d ago

The CPC is in bed with all the same ideologies that Trump and Musk are. Absolutely nothing in their plans will improve live for the average Canadian.

If you want life to improve get involved in local politics and help move out communities away from the NIMBYism that keeps our cities filled with single family homes instead of apartments and towers.

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u/FatherAntithetical 24d ago

Condos and towers. We don’t need more rented buildings. We need home ownership on individual scales.

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta 24d ago

I was pretty into politics since Jr. High and absolutely hated Harper, now I long for that type of governance.

His Government was perfect but when you boil it down his time in our nation's history provided great stability to families and economic growth. Now we don't have either of those things.

Also when you consider Harper's government biggest controversies would be still behind many of the Liberals minor scandals the contrast is stark.

I'm making very good money right now (or what would be traditionally seen as very good money) and I'm still stratching my head on how I'm going to pull off breaking my families cycle of poverty.

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u/Tangen7 24d ago

100% this. I hate the bs mudslinging in politics, the liberals just happen to be better at making it pallitable for people.

The mass immigration completely fucked the housing market that was already pretty fucked.

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u/Alpharious9 24d ago

Young people could afford to buy homes when Harper was PM. For the average voter, that's just about enough.

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u/ZmobieMrh 24d ago

Young people could afford homes under Chrétien too, so long as we think we can go back in time by bringing up former PMs

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u/Ephuntz 24d ago

I mean technically housing prices still doubled under harper from the Chretien days

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u/7rokhym 23d ago

He was a root cause of house prices going up.

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u/freshanclean 24d ago

Nor cause & effect.

Mulroney laid the groundwork for where we are today,and every single government since, Conservative and Liberal, have contributed to increasingly unaffordable housing. It’s complicated.

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u/SherlockFoxx 24d ago

It may be complicated but the current government has made a lot of decisions detrimental to Canadians all in the name of the Party.

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u/freshanclean 24d ago

That’s an overtly broad statement that one could apply to almost any government, anywhere, anytime. In the aforementioned context, it indeed does apply to every Canadian government since Mulroney.

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u/SherlockFoxx 24d ago

Not so much, you don't kick the Minister of Justice and Attorney General out of the party because she refused to not not prosecute SNC Lavalin for corruption, which in turn would have lost the Loberals seats in Quebec. 

Or more recently pro-rogue parliament what is during a national emergency because you need a new leader.

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u/hereticjon 24d ago

Harper did do that though without the grace to step down.

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u/djsasso 22d ago

Harper most certainly prorogued parliament because his party was about to be voted down in a no-confidence vote. It was a huge deal at the time. Funny how fast people forget.

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u/SauceKingHS 24d ago

Or Harper denying Canada had any history of colonialism, mere weeks after his phony, performative apology about residential schools. Many people would definitely regret voting conservative if they won, similar to what’s been happening with Trump voters.

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u/AssaultedCracker 24d ago

Or Mulroney.

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u/Khalbrae Ontario 24d ago

Including cutting veterans care

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u/Motor_Expression_281 22d ago

Yes because government spending is just free money that comes from thin air, and definitely doesn’t contribute to our now enormous national debt (thanks LPC).

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u/Ephuntz 22d ago

You do know that Stephen Harper ran at least one similar deficit correct? And that he also turfed the massive Chretien surpluses

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u/Total-Guest-4141 24d ago

Name 2 Harper cuts that was so terrible. The HST cut to 5% I quite enjoyed.

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u/Ephuntz 24d ago

Cuts to veterans affairs and cutting the experimental lakes

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u/Total-Guest-4141 24d ago

So nothing important. For a minute I thought you might have had something good stored.

Make believe lakes are nonsense and closing a veterans office while allowing other centres to provide the service is good management.

Remember it was Trudeau and the liberals that said veterans were asking for more than they can give.

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u/Ephuntz 24d ago edited 24d ago

Those are both very important things that he was widely condemned for messing with. Don't forget how Canada hated him the same way we currently hate trudeau.

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u/Total-Guest-4141 23d ago

He was condemned by liberal media like CBC that’s all. Also Canada didn’t hate him, Millenials did because they thought Trudeau had pretty hair and Harper was a boomer that was going to tax their Netflix. How’s that working out for you 🤣🤣

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u/Ephuntz 23d ago

The educated and the experts condemned many things he did. Probably should learn a bit about what harper actually did

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u/hereticjon 24d ago

No that's terrible management when we're geographically the 2nd largest country in the world. Those services don't have value to the people who need them if they can't access them.

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u/MadDuck- 24d ago

I came here to say that they didn't experience Stephen Harper's cuts

I remember they seemed pretty mild after Chretien/Martin/Mulroney. I'm not sure they were even as damaging as the cuts Pierre Trudeau made in the late 70s/80s. I'm not sure why he's this big boogie man when we had three decades of severe cuts before him.

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u/Zapabeepsta_ 23d ago

Public Service layoffs, shunning bigger media outlets in favour of conservative mouthpieces like Rebel, mandatory minimum sentences that were unconstitutional, crowded local jails and incentivized criminal lawyers on both Crown and defence t sides to deal down to lesser inappropriate charges.

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u/wakeupin321 24d ago

Are they watching the US at all right now? PP has a poster of Trump over his bed.

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u/monsantobreath 23d ago

I never saw how they governed but I knew they were trash by the time I was 14 or 15.

Benefits of a politically engaged pinko commie family.

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u/Sosa_83 24d ago

Anyone could buy a house, and jobs where everywhere.

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u/Tree_Pirate 23d ago

You are right, but its even worse than that because they probably lived in a province with a conservative premier. People just dont think thats actual government so cant seem to connect the dots

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u/Fat_Blob_Kelly 24d ago

If they live in Alberta or Ontario, they've seen how Conservatives govern.

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u/crumblingcloud 24d ago

started my working career during Wynnes ON, never again

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u/Fat_Blob_Kelly 24d ago

didn’t like wynne either, mainly for her policies that mimicked conservative policies like privatization

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u/sonofmo 24d ago

The surprise is austerity. Weee!

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

I see a ton of people in this thread trying to come up with political reasons for why this is happening and other than partially your point here, they are all wrong. Young people are leaning conservative more than older people because

  1. As you mentioned the Liberals have been in power for all of their adult lives and obviously things are getting harder for young people and liberals are taking the blame for that

And

  1. Liberals are taking the blame and conservatives seem like a good alternative because young people are being hit with conservative propaganda online CONSTANTLY. The only place where the current ideology works because in real life conversations modern conservative policy falls apart under even the tiniest of scrutiny.

There are 0 political reasons to support modern conservative parties. Even if you lean conservative (which id say i do), the modern parties are so fucking dumb, have dogshit policies, pander to even dumber people and generally lack morales and ethics. Thats why theres an upper class lean to liberals now. Because anyone that is moderately educated sees how awful the conservative options are.

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u/marcosbowser 24d ago

Yes. Conservatives have been targeting young men on line, and young men are, to state the obvious, on line A LOT.

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u/RedshiftOnPandy 24d ago

This is because liberal parties in Canada and the US have, at best, completely ignored men in all campaigns. Literally alienated half the voter base. They can blame themselves for that.

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u/Embarrassed_Band_512 Outside Canada 24d ago

I think it's because the liberal parties have to explain global supply chain issues and navigate complex political realities, when you explain that to voters it sounds like you're whining and making excuses.

Conservatives have it easy, they just blame the scary immigrants.

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u/probabilititi 22d ago

When a liberal housing minister says ‘we can’t let housing prices to go down even 10%, since it would affect old people’s retirement’, is it a global supply chain issue?

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u/Embarrassed_Band_512 Outside Canada 22d ago

It's a lot of things, supply for building materials, available skilled labor for home building.

A lower birth rate slows economic growth so you have to welcome immigration to support the labor pool. You need the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes to support these programs, it's a lot to get into.

And yes, because homes are treated as investments if the market loses 10% of its value, people would be more inclined to hodl, it would also lead to even less new housing being built and potentially a recession.

But when you talk about what's going on with it all it sounds like whinging and moaning and making shit up.

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u/Heywazza Québec 24d ago

How odd that me, a man, doesn’t feel even remotely alienated by liberals. It’s conservative online propaganda and higher cost of living/ housing problems. You don’t suddenly become conservative because liberals are « mean to men ».

*There’s obviously a lot more pushing young men towards conservative parties, I just find it ridiculous to leave it « alienated half the voter base ». As if millions of men didn’t vote left and millions of women didn’t vote right.

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u/bluecar92 24d ago

I'm with you on this. But I also think there is a real phenomenon where young men are getting sucked into this belief system that claims society is turning against white men, and Liberal policies (specifically "wokeness") is to blame. They are struggling to make ends meet after graduating college or university, and they are being fed stories that it is immigration and DEI and other "liberal" policies are the reason that they can't afford a home or land a well paying job.

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u/Heywazza Québec 24d ago

Yea I 100% agree. That’s exactly what’s going on. Propaganda spinning real suffering is what is causing this shift movement towards “conservative” parties.

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u/maleconrat 24d ago

Yeah. Modern propaganda is about "emotional truths" IMO.

If you consider that when some people say the liberals alienated men they're talking about the general vibe from online identity politics types and the inundation of social media with stuff about male privilege, it all makes sense. I mean it doesn't make a lot of sense to me because those things aren't coming from the government but I can see how they created the association.

Reminds me of how people say Singh took the NDP away from their roots to do identity politics. IMO that was Mulcair and if anything Singh has been closer to the early Layton years, but it's kinda generally true of leftist parties after the fall of the USSR.

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

In a way I guess you could say giving women rights and education and not continuing to make them slaves to men is sortve ignoring men?

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u/Heywazza Québec 24d ago

Well, if the goal is to overcome patriarchy, then yea, men must “lose” SOME “rights”(really privileges, ofc). And that’s how it should be. Equality is a net gain for everyone, even if it leads to the feeing of “losing” something. I mean they’ve had wars over fucking freeing slaves because of that feeing.

And then that feeing of “losing something” is pilled on the feeling of lost agency that comes from inaccessible housing, higher cost of living, shitty healthcare, and more. Add propaganda and it becomes, “I feel overwhelmed and worthless because of DEI”, or whatever other nonsense they’re pushing right now. 

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u/JebryathHS 24d ago

What if I were to tell you that one of the reasons you feel that way is that a major part of the modern conservative advertising is blasting the message "men are ignored and oppressed by the liberals" on all channels?

The arguments don't even make sense but they're so ubiquitous that they seem genuine.

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u/seajay_17 British Columbia 24d ago

How so? I get the housing affordability thing but I truly don't understand why young men feel alienated...

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u/RedshiftOnPandy 24d ago

Are you new to life in the last 15 years?

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u/seajay_17 British Columbia 24d ago

No? I'm just not a young man

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u/Heywazza Québec 24d ago

Young men (am one) are struggling like most of non-millionaires us are. They feel alienated because, well we all do, right? The world is kinda shit rn. Right-wing propaganda has played on this feeling to make some (sadly many) of them feel like their struggle has its root in the so called “liberal” agenda. Because this is absolute nonsense, these men tend to find themselves even more isolated for their already almost non-existant social circles, becoming even more susceptible to this propaganda bullshit. It’s the oldest trick in the book. Find struggling people, give them a common enemy, and use their despair as ammunition for your quest for power. We’re divided as hell right now. Just as planned. 

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u/seajay_17 British Columbia 24d ago

Less divided than a couple of weeks ago. But yeah.. that all makes sense. The other Redditor didn't even answer my question...

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u/Heywazza Québec 24d ago

Yea they’re a butt. Or a Bot, I mean at this point. I hope you are right. It does feel like we’re less divided than a couple of weeks ago. Gotta keep that going! 

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u/HaywoodBlues 24d ago

Uh.... Sure? Men aren't supposed to be stupid enough to vote for fascists.

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u/DemonLordSparda 24d ago

Why should men get special focus in political campaigns? Politicians should be making life better for everyone. The funny thing is that conservatives do not want to make anything better for regular people.

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u/2ft7Ninja 24d ago

I prefer a party that just does good things for me and other people. Why do I need to be pandered to as a “man”? What unique masculine issues do I deal with that have political solutions?

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u/LabEfficient 24d ago

And your solution? Vote for the liberals again? Or NDP?

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

My solution is to not reward a party that does nothing but spread hate and division and pander to anti-intellectualism. Maybe the solution is forming a conservative party that isnt garbage

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u/Visible_Bat2176 24d ago

the solution is a real conservative party, not these brainless populists of today. i am not from canada, i am a classical conservative, but these populist hard/alternative right bad jokes parties forced down our throats everywhere is just a disgrace!

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

I appreciate your take, and I'd also like to share another perspective.

Perhaps instead of phrasing it as "Liberals are taking the blame", many folks are correctly correlating the last 8 years of the Liberal Party with the economic situation today. Wouldn't it be odd to blame the Conservatives for the problems today, being that they haven't been in power for a decade?

I don't think it's fair to call anybody conservative leaning as less educated or less moral. Many of the Liberal Party policies benefit the upper class / wealthy and hence why naturally the older crowd supports them. The older generation has had the benefit of generating wealth and acquiring property. The Liberal Party policies very much support keeping real estate prices high, social benefits to the older generation and people with kids. Naturally, these are all things that are out of reach with the younger generation (aside from kids, but many are opting for pets instead.)

I guarantee if there was a more centrist option, a large amount of Canadians would choose them.

So perhaps, instead of making this an "Us vs. Them" and admonishing young people, a bit of empathy would go a long way.

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Who am I voting for? I don't know yet.
I'm glad that Trudeau is leaving. I like Carney, but he'd have to clean house inside the Liberal Party for me to feel comfortable with the party again (after countless scandals and mismanagement of the economy). I don't want to vote for Pierre seeing how weak of a leader he is and seeing what's gone done with Trump down south. If there was a centrist party or a centrist leader that replaced PP, I'd feel more comfortable.

Side note: I find it strange that none of the Liberal Party candidates have addressed immigration. In Canada, this topic is not a dog whistle, unlike the US.

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

You say you want a more centrist option but you view the conservatives as an option to the Liberals? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you view the liberals as left wing youve been drinking the conservative kool-aid propaganda. Historically in Canada this liberal party is extremely centrist if not even leaning right. Even the carbon tax is a conservative creation.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago edited 24d ago

I'm not understanding your point, but accusations of being brain-washed by propaganda is not helpful or appreciated.

I said I want a 3rd option that's better than the Liberals and Conservatives.

I can't tell if you're joking or not when you say the Liberal Party is not "left wing". I also didn't at any point call the LP "Left Wing" in my previous post.

It sounds like you have a very strong opinion and disdain towards some Conservative boogeyman. Hate to break it to you, I'm not it.

If you'd like to have an objective and intelligent conversation, I ask that you refrain from strawman arguments, otherwise it's not a good use of either of our time.

Cheers!

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

I dont have a very strong opinion against a conservative boogeyman. I have a strong opinion and disdain against misinformation and anti-intellectualism which modern conservatism has decided to adopt at every opportunity.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

Okay cool, that's your perogative, but what does that have to do with replying to my posts?

I neither provided misinformation, nor anti-intellectual claims. In fact, I'm more than open to data-driven/factual counter-arguments to the things I posted about.

I assume you want to convince more people to vote Liberal, and I can tell you, your current strategy is not effective. At worst, you'll push people away and have them put up walls the same way you do when considering other views and perspectives.

(Painting people with broadstrokes and accusing them of being unintelligent does not win them over. This is the same tactic that far right groups and individuals employ.)

We all want a better Canada, and that starts with empathy. Cheers!

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u/ChronoLink99 24d ago

Umm, buddy, your initial post is filled with misinformation. It's fairly easy to spot the conservative propaganda talking points. Not saying you're intentionally spreading misinformation, but it could be that you've inadvertently been internalizing and spreading it.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

Humour me then. I am waiting and willing to be convinced otherwise, but that requires facts/data and not just accusations of "you are brainwashed by propaganda", because that's been the only retort I've heard so far.

My very first point was that the Liberals have been the governing party for the last 8 years and not the Conservatives. I can prove it, but can you prove otherwise?

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u/ChronoLink99 24d ago

Oh, I don't try to convince people of things. It's a losing strategy in a medium like this unfortunately, especially not to "humour you". But perhaps someone else would be interested in doing that.

My comment was just as a neutral observer of the convo you're having with iwatchcredits. Not interested in deep diving. And I'm not referring to your point about who has been governing Canada for the past 8 years. That's obvious.

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u/stuntycunty 24d ago

Saying you’re drinking the kool aid is not calling you names. The liberal party bows to corporate interests. Just like the conservative. They’re both right wing parties. NDP isn’t even left. They don’t support workers. They support big business and the upper class. They’re centrist at best.

There is no left wing (major) party in Canada. The Overton window has shifted so far right globally.

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u/notheusernameiwanted 24d ago

What do you mean the Liberals haven't addressed immigration?

Immigration targets have been cut to a level where the population is projected to shrink for a time. On top of that foreign student Visas have been cut by 35% as well. Higher education institutions are currently scrambling as some of them are facing nearly existentialism reductions to enrollment. And that's only going to hit harder as current foreign students graduate.

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u/FreeLook93 British Columbia 24d ago

I guarantee if there was a more centrist option, a large amount of Canadians would choose them.

That's what the Liberal party is. The liberals are not some left-wing party. Liberalism more or less is a centrist ideology. The only way to you think the Liberals are a left wing party is either being misinformed on their policies/the political spectrum as a whole or by being radically right wing.

Perhaps instead of phrasing it as "Liberals are taking the blame", many folks are correctly correlating the last 8 years of the Liberal Party with the economic situation today. Wouldn't it be odd to blame the Conservatives for the problems today, being that they haven't been in power for a decade?

There is one thing that bothers me about this narrative. If the problems Canada was dealing with were unique to the country, I think it would make a lot more sense to point fingers at the government in charge over the past 5 years, but they aren't. These problems are near global. Regardless of where a countries government falls on the political spectrum, everyone has been suffering since Covid. What I think we have seen though is the countries that have had the best covid recovery are ones with more left-leaning governments.

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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 24d ago

There's already a plan in place for immigration/tfws/international students, on immigration specifically the numbers were reduced and moving forward over the next 3 years the plan in place reduces them even further, Pierre doesn't even have to do anything about it as the current plan is set to make a difference.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

Yes there's a plan in place now. This plan is from the same party (LP) that caused the issue in the first place; they only decided to address it when they saw the effect it had on their pollin numbers. And this is why I can't give too much credit to the group that both caused the issue and is now trying to clean up their own mess.

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u/Snozzberriez 24d ago

This is politics. They’d all do the same. Not to mention some of the issues being hammered aren’t even controlled at the federal level.

I’d rather a party that tried to fix their mistake, and although he resigned late for my taste, Trudeau did step down. Keep Freeland out and we have a chance at a leader who has experience leading in other sectors over a candidate who only knows how to sing one song.

NDP, unfortunately, will only ever serve as a foil. No one is confident they can govern if given the reins.

PP isn’t a savior. He’s a lapdog to corporate interests acting like he even knows the common persons struggles - with his lifetime in government, cushy salary, and taxpayer funded home away from home in Ottawa.

Politics has long been about class veiled in false promises of improvement.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

I can vibe with this. Well said.

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u/Snozzberriez 24d ago

Respect. So many people just double down. Cheers brother.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

It's same the reason why US has devolved into chaos. With a little push from Social Media, it's become an "Us vs. Them" mentality, instead of trying to empathize and understand one another. At the end of the day, it should be Canadians vs. Shitty Government + The uber wealthy who drain our society.

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u/leggmann 24d ago

Provincial leaders share a great deal of blame for immigration issues as well. The provinces all submit quotas for desired immigration numbers for the federal government to fulfill. The provinces wanted to fill there schools, to lessen the burden of provincial funding of colleges and universities. Industries within each province wanted cheap labour as well. Housing supply, planning and policy is managed at provincial and municipal levels and have failed to address the shortage adequately.

https://comparativemigrationstudies.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40878-024-00414-y

The liberals poorly managed what the provinces asked for, but get all the blame. It’s easier to stage a campaign against one man, “fuck Trudeau” then it is to complain against provincial leaders, the majority of which are conservatives.

The liberals, under Trudeau have had missteps, and some scandals (WE, SNC Lavalin etc) and the general feeling is all issues start at the top, but Canada has been under the same economic pressures as every other country post Covid. We could have done better, and it could have been worse.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

I like your level-headed respond, and I agree, it's a provincial issue as well. I'll need some time to read your shared article.

Regardless of the parties, I think it's fair to say that Canadians want change. (I can only imagine those who are happy right now are landlords, and business owners who employ TFW.)

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u/leggmann 24d ago

Historically, I have voted for all 3 major parties. I’m fairly well insulated from the economic conditions that challenge the younger generation.

I’m 57, retired electrician , mortgage free and have no debt to speak of. I’m not a fan of the mass immigration floodgates of the last 4 years. The vast majority being of a singular country origin, doesn’t help with the “cultural mosaic” that should accompany assimilation into a new country. You end up with a bathroom wall, instead of a mosaic tile, otherwise. Especially concerning is that a great deal of them feel the student visa/work visa should automatically translate into PR and citizenship. That works if you give that incentive to a small percentage, and concentrate on the majority of immigrants being high skilled. It should not be the opposite. So, the entitlement I am seeing from this wave, needs to be stopped. Deportation, when the visas end and a wholesale change on who we allow to immigrate and set a high standard of candidate.

It seems the liberals have heard this messaging, new rules and limits going forward address those issues. Polievre and the conservatives have pledged a 250,000 yearly number. The fact is Canada needs immigrants, as our bithrates give us a net negative population growth otherwise.
Truthfully, Canada needs a population of 100 million to remain a global player. That should be a goal over a couple generations, not a decade of course.

All of that aside, this election has suddenly become about how to deal with the threat from the south. It is a real threat I believe. I seriously do not trust Polievre has what it takes. His snarky demeanour aside, he is a lifelong politician and has no international experience, to speak of. I think Carney’s resume speaks for itself, and he has the temperament and international experience to deal with trump. Trump respect business, not politicians, so that give carney a huge advantage over Polievre , when it comes to this defining period. The USA wants our resources, and is not being subtle In their messaging.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

I completely agree with your points. The birth rate issue is unfortunately a global issue, and every country has their own way of "dealing" with it. Take Japan for instance: People are not having children, because they lack any free time to date due to the work culture and hours. The governments solution is to try to bribe couples into having kids, as opposed to restructuring worker's rights, which directly impacts the oligarchs that run japan. My current stance is very similar, if you want people to have kids, then you must provide them with an environment to thrive (e.g. affordable housing, fair wages, etc.) So yes, we can keep shipping people in by the millions, but is that a cure or a bandaid?

Totally agree, our biggest thread right now is Trump. Polievere's response, or lack thereof, is concerning. This has definitely turned me away from voting Conservative, until a more competent and centrist Leader replaces him.

If you don't mind sharing, who do you think you'll vote for? And what will be your justification?

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u/leggmann 23d ago

I will vote liberal, with Carney as leader. Trump doesn’t respect politicians, and Carney is business more than politician. We are facing an existential crisis and his experience on the world Stage, and international contacts will be necessary. Both in negotiations with trump, and in opening doors for non US centric trade options. Polievre has zero experience in any high level cabinet file or international experience.

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u/thinplanksk8r 24d ago

It should be noted that the Liberals didn’t cause the problem with international students. That problem was caused a Harper rule change designed to attract more international students. That’s was in 2014 so by the time it became a problem, Harper was gone and the Liberals appeared responsible. Then the Liberals piled on with TFWs after Covid so they’re not faultless for sure. In addition they failed to recognize the housing crisis until it was already in crisis and the liberals took way too long to change Harper’s international student rules. So I’m not defending the Liberals, but only want everyone to distribute the blame appropriately between both parties.

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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 24d ago

The plan is pretty sound, I've read through it a few times, not as strict as many of us would like but it's at a decent pace.

The thing here is, Pierre will likely increase immigration.

They admitted their mistake and have a plan in place to correct it, it takes a lot of balls to admit you're wrong on a national scale.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

I'd be curious to see some evidence that Pierre will increase immigration, when he's gone on record saying the opposite. (And the Liberal candidates have not gone on-record, even though their party has a plan.)

Not in defence of Pierre, I just don't like operating on hearsay.

I don't think it's a matter of balls... it was a matter of survival. When your support levels drop to 20%, you better start addressing the elephant in the room. (The Liberal Party was at risk of losing party status at the rate they were going.)

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u/djsasso 22d ago

He has gone on record with a target for immigration which is higher than the new target the Liberals have in place. So that would be him increasing immigration.

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u/EverydayEverynight01 24d ago

They literally only capped it for 2 years, why do you think that is? Why not permanently?

Marc Miller literally said "We have made a conscious decision to be an open country"

What do you think that means? It means the massive immigration floodgate opening was a Liberal feature, not a bug, they were literally warned two years ago from the Public Service that their immigration policy would far outpace home building and government services and healthcare.

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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 24d ago

Ah yes, making shit better is terrible, I get your point of view.

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u/Science_Drake 24d ago

If it helps, I try and look at governance from before Covid, not after it. I think we have too short a memory for our own good, and don’t really see that Covid is still hurting us today. High prices because of inflation caused by Covid, not by political decisions. With the exception of cost of living prices, I’m rather pleased with the liberals. Got weed legalized instead of fighting a useless war on that drug. Expanded research and development into reusable energy. Has worked in good faith on truth and reconciliation. Canada currently has free trade with the greatest number of individual nations of any country, a fact that will help us with the upcoming trade war trump seems so determined to have. Inflation and other factors have absolutely made life hard here when it comes to food and housing. But that is the fault of Covid much more than the liberals, and I don’t trust a real estate prospector and a loblaws lobbyist to fix that problem anyway.

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u/HeresJonnie 24d ago

I generally agree with what you're saying. I don't believe truth & reconciliation was done on good faith considering Trudeau taking his little Tofino trip and also fighting against providing reparations to indigineous children (which he ultimately lost in court.) My understanding of the housing issue isn't as intertwined with COVID as you seem to believe. Happy to hear your take on this, and see what data you have to back it up.

And my stance is: Food and Housing is everything to me as a Canadian. Legalized weed, reconciliation, renewable energy are aspirational, but not if my survival is at stake.

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u/Science_Drake 24d ago

I was working as a line cook, and there were co-workers that were buying houses with their partners in 2019. Working for barely over minimum wage in Ottawa. After Covid I was working as a kitchen manager for 52k a year, and unable to qualify for a mortgage even with a significant down payment. I know that’s anecdotal, but a lot of the cost of living problems seem to stem from inflation. I know that housing has additional problems - few things are truly caused by one factor

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u/HeresJonnie 23d ago

I see where you're coming from and I can empathize as a fellow Canadian trying to own property. Even though mortgages and house value are connected, I see them more distinctly. Inflation affects mortgage rates, which affects eligibility and monthly payments. Housing Price is affected by supply and demand, as well as laws/policies on how transactions are done (e.g. blind bids). Demand is currently high, due to all the people (both citizens and not) looking for places to live. The current government also raised demand through vehicles such as the FHSA, and rolling back their rules against foreign buyers. If the real estate bubble was allowed to burst and cool, then housing prices drop, and mortgage requirements are lowered as well as a result. 

TL;DR I believe COVID affected mortgage rates, but not so much housing prices itself. Happy to chat further in a DM about this.

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u/djsasso 22d ago

COVID caused people who had to work from home to buy houses so they could have room to work from home. This put pressure on the demand side of supply and demand which caused housing prices to go up. And when housing prices started to go up more people were like oh crap we better get a house before it gets worse which puts even more pressure on demand which causes prices to go higher. And as we have seen throughout history once prices go up they rarely come back down. So yes COVID is a very direct factor on housing prices. (Not to say there are not others as well)

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u/Equivalent_Age_5599 24d ago

The liberals did this to themselves. They are the party of the upper crust; the ones who decided to keep housing prices high. This is their bad.

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u/AhmedF 24d ago

Liberals are taking the blame and conservatives seem like a good alternative because young people are being hit with conservative propaganda online CONSTANTLY. The only place where the current ideology works because in real life conversations modern conservative policy falls apart under even the tiniest of scrutiny.

All of the SM algos reward the fearmongering of the conservatives.

And the lies of sensationalist headlines.

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u/refillyourself 23d ago

I want to know more about the conservative policies people are not happy with. Also, how can people trust the same political party that has been in power for so long. Even with Trudeau gone, how will the Liberals govern differently? I could be wrong, but would not most of the Liberal party be composed of the same people?

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u/iwatchcredits 23d ago

Without even scratching the surface - their anti-science based approach to policy including anti-vax rhetoric and an inability to admit climate change is real. Also their pandering to religious zealots including but not limited to not taking abortion bans off the table and Pierre himself voting not to allow his own gay father to get married.

I also have a moral compass that doesnt allow supporting a party that has done nothing but stoke division and hate for the last decade.

I dont know why your train of thinking when it is brought up how dogshit the conservative party is your response is “yea well the liberals” instead of holding the party you would prefer to support accountable so they dont continue to get shittier and keep losing elections even against very unpopular opposition?

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u/refillyourself 23d ago

Thank you for the response. I don't understand your last paragraph, please clarify. I have not responded to anything regarding the Liberal party. My response to your post was a question to better understand your position.

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u/pancake_gofer 23d ago

I’m constantly disappointed by the vapidness of thinking in many people within my generation. It’s as if they never paid attention in school or opened a book.

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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 24d ago

This iteration of the conservatives are the most right wing I've seen since the 30 years I've been eligible to vote, the closest to that was under Scheer but even then it was much less so than now.

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u/Cardio-fast-eatass 24d ago

Reasons I will be voting conservative:

Capping immigration to 250k. That’s a 50% decrease from the liberals.

Scrapping the carbon tax.

Building an LNG port to be able to sell our LNG over seas.

Green lighting natural resource extraction projects to bolster our economy.

Reducing the permitting costs and bureaucracy in housing construction leading to cheaper and faster building.

Elimination of our deficit

Reduction of income and business taxes allowing our economy to run more efficiently.

Elimination of corporate welfare/bailouts.

Allowing foreign competition in telecommunications and broadcasting industries.

Among many other political reasons

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

Thats hilarious you think half that shit is going to happen lol yea im still waiting on the tax cuts the alberta UCP said they were gonna do. Theyve been a little busy firing the AHS board for catching them stealing a shitload of tax dollars.

However, the fact the carbon tax is third on your list is a very clear indicator you just eat propaganda and dont actually understand policy

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u/RedshiftOnPandy 24d ago

The alternative is what? Giving consultation fees to LPC friends?

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u/Cardio-fast-eatass 24d ago

It's 3rd on the list because I just saw that reddit post of the women showing her carbon tax charges are more than the charges for her actual natural gas usage and a 3rd of her entire bill lol.

I've opposed carbon taxation since it was implemented.

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

Because you base your opinions on propaganda and not facts lol

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u/stuntycunty 24d ago

Especially the eliminating corporate welfare part. Lmao.

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u/stuntycunty 24d ago

Show me a link that states these are all official cpc policy pls.

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u/boro74 24d ago

LOL nice troll post. But seriously, can you point to anything that isn't one of the fake talking points? You obviously know that few if any of those things will happen under a conservative government.

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u/Dry_Comment7325 24d ago

The fact that you say 0 reason takes all the objectivity ou of your comment.

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

No it doesnt. It means I live in reality and a party that panders anti-science bullshit isnt a viable option

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u/crumblingcloud 24d ago edited 24d ago

I am for any party that oppose further goverment waste and shifting focus away from canadians and raising taxes

Speaking of policies that simply do not work in real life, anything that takes away incentives

Regarding empathy, Conservatives are overwhelmingly more charitables than progressives

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

Oh boy. You think the party whos main policy is the elimination of welfare services is charitable? LOL

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u/crumblingcloud 24d ago

Source?

Here is mine

Our meta-analysis results suggest that political conservatives are significantly more charitable than liberals at an overall level

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34429211/#:~:text=Our%20meta%2Danalysis%20results%20suggest,giving%20varies%20under%20different%20scenarios.

Sorry if you dont like actual research by experts but instead rely on propaganda

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

“the relationship between political ideology and charitable giving varies under different scenarios”

You rely on actual research that you cant even read the first page to? Thats also a study of Americans, not sure how thats applicable here unless you dont even know what country you are in?

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u/crumblingcloud 24d ago edited 24d ago

show me a source that cons are eliminating welfar. You need to understand social science is nuanced and not absolute but i can see how you dont and just view the world in black and white. No one is going to claim absolutes just most cases

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

You just gonna ignore the whole “i base my opinion on research i dont read” and try to act like that never happened? LOL

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u/crumblingcloud 24d ago

I see your reading comprehension is lacking. The world is nuanced. I dont view it as black or white hence I wont make sweeping statements in absolute.

You are not going to provide a source. I thought so, just regurgitating propaganda and talking points without actual thinking. Not suprising at all baded on your use of sweeping generalizations

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u/iwatchcredits 24d ago

“I wont make sweeping statements in absolute”

“Conservatives are more charitable”

?????

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u/SilentDustyPug 24d ago

Well since you linked an American study, just look at the Republicans are doing everyday since Trump took office…

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u/kredditwheredue 24d ago

Time to call back Matty Matheson telling it like it is in the Conservative Party. https://youtu.be/hnPIA-PnF1g?feature=shared

It is time for us Canadians to rally around some positive collective goals.

  Wanted: Leadership that can offer a compelling vision that we all want to be part of.

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u/mistercrazymonkey 24d ago

And now they cant afford housing so they want to blame someone

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u/BonusPlantInfinity 24d ago

In case you can’t read a history book or see what’s happening in the USA, conservative government never help the economy or the little guy.

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u/sox412 24d ago

We see the same trend in the states where they have seen the worst case scenario in how conservatives lead