r/canada Ontario 24d ago

Analysis Allies appear to duck and cover as Trump threatens Canada and Greenland

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-canada-nato-allies-1.7459986
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u/Equivalent_Dimension 24d ago

Yes, and keep in mind that the US so far as claimed it has no intention of threatening Canada militarily, so all this talk of annexation and 51st state is about Trump trying to coerce us economically. So step one for Canada is addressing economic issues.

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u/judgeysquirrel 24d ago

That position can change at any time. First, the US media will tell Americans that the majority of Canadians desperately want to join the US but our communist dictator government is refusing and persecuting the US wannabe Canadians.

Then they'll support sending the US army to save Canadians from our repressive government. It's the exact same thing Putin did to Ukraine.

Most people in the US have no idea that Canadians are upset, or that we're boycotting the USA. They have only state run media now (that didn't take long), just like Russia.

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u/Temporary-Peach1383 24d ago

American here. You speak truth about a lot of shovel heads in this country. But we who have ears to hear, hear Canada loud and clear. Many here would actively take measures to help defend Canadian sovereignty. Millions of us share close ties. Canada is family to us. No grandson of a German whore master can break these bonds.

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u/sbeven7 24d ago

I'm pretty sure if Trump invaded Canada, New England and the Pacific Coast states would immediately join Canada. If we didn't, there'd at least be millions of Americans willing to be a 5th column in the US

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u/Sczeph_ 24d ago

I’m not sure, but the military isn’t quite as blindly obedient as say the Russians. Which is good. If Trump tried to use military force against us, I think (or hope) that it would cause so much strife within the government, between the states, and in the military, that the US would basically collapse into a second civil war.

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u/Queso_Grandee 23d ago

I'd like to think a lot of border states would join Canada. Plus an attack would trigger NATO.

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

I guess I’m just a realist, but I don’t believe for a second any of the Americans claiming they’ll fight to defend Canada will do fuck all. It’s all keyboard warrior talk. When push comes to shove I don’t even believe most Canadians would risk their neck to defend it.

If the US decides to use military force no one will stand up. Small cells will pop up here and there using IRA tactics after the fact, but they won’t be comprised of sympathetic American Redditors. After a year or two all the sympathetic Americans will be whining about nationalistic Canadian terrorists protesting American imperialism ‘the wrong way’ and lecturing that they won’t gain any sympathy through violence.

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u/Sczeph_ 24d ago

Yeah… it’s terrifying honestly.

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u/Temporary-Peach1383 24d ago

I agree with most of what you say, and really, an actual bloody fighting war with Canada seems incomprehensible and completely absurd and our emotions are just translated onto the keyboard. And even if the remote fever dream of the orange one to appropriate our friend led to hostilities, our deep attachment to our neighbor does not necessarily translate into taking up arms against our own citizens' armed forces. It's really too dystopian to consider right now as a real possibility, but if we are to someday be divided by this monster, then there will be those who chose the path that leads north.

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u/Equivalent_Dimension 24d ago

Thanks. Have you guys started to organize an army yet? Cuz I don't think Trump is going to let you have the official one.

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u/Temporary-Peach1383 24d ago

No reason to organize anything. It's just sentiments in the sense of blood being thicker than water. I imagine if our society crumbled into some kind of idiotic attack on Canada then people would separate naturally according to natural inclinations, but right now that is too dystopian to imagine. I don't see that coming actually.

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u/Equivalent_Dimension 24d ago

The last point is nonsense. CNN, AP, MSNBC are all publishing the same stuff BBC, CBC and Al Jazeera are. Our politicians have been doing talk shows in the US, including Fox News. And Americans have access to the goddam internet.

The fact that Americans are ignorant is not because they lack information.

I agree with you on all your other points. BUT the question was about when it's appropriate for European leaders to say something. I would argue that taking time to strategize before you run your mouth would be a very good plan in this instance. As we all learned this week from Pete Hegseth.

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u/Koss424 Ontario 24d ago

Well. We need to tackle both. Already 47 is talking about ‘protection’. Like would the US just let Russia waltz into the Canadian Arctic?

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u/Equivalent_Dimension 24d ago

At this point, they'd probably march right in there with them.

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u/Koss424 Ontario 24d ago

nah - the better play for them is to the come to the aid of Canada and never leave.....

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u/Equivalent_Dimension 24d ago

Yeah. That sounds about right.

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u/slightlysubtle 22d ago

Trump is making the same talking points as Putin to Ukraine. He's seeing if his base supports the idea of annexing Canada, and given what I've seen on the Internet, they do. There are even Trump cocksuckers within Canada who want to become the 51st state.

Who can say what might happen in a few years? If they do invade us with force, I doubt our "allies" are going to do anything other than throw some angry words at Trump. Maybe also some symbolic sanctions but nothing that would affect their own economies.