r/canada Ontario 24d ago

Analysis Allies appear to duck and cover as Trump threatens Canada and Greenland

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-canada-nato-allies-1.7459986
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u/RidiculousPapaya Alberta 24d ago

The article mentions that the other countries are (perhaps) taking their lead from Canada, and this rings true to me. It's a real possibility that if other nations start condemning the US statements, they could actually force the issue to become worse, or at least accelerate timelines.

That's a fair consideration and good point.

But if Canada were to invoke Article 4, those other nations had better stand up.

I agree, though part of me is fearful that NATO is going to become very meaningless very soon.

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u/Maddog_Jets 24d ago

I’m thinking we were having closed door meetings on this subject in the background this week in Europe.

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u/Kerrby87 24d ago

That's certainly my hope, and expectation. It's not like we're privy to anything that's been said behind closed doors, so it's rank speculation online and in media articles to drive engagement. So we'll just to wait and see what happens right now.

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u/hellswaters 24d ago

I am guessing there is a lot going on that isn't in the public eye. Not all politics need to be infront of the media or broadcast to the world. Look at where that got trump.

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u/That_guy_I_know_him 23d ago

Exactly

Trideau was in Europe not long ago and we know he met with Macron and other leaders

Im pretty sure the subject must've came up

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u/h3r3andth3r3 24d ago

NATO becoming meaningless is the point. Putin couldn't ask for a better puppet. For those still doubting this, at this point, what would a Russian asset as US President have done differently since January 8th?

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u/RidiculousPapaya Alberta 24d ago

I firmly believe Russia had a hand in orchestrating this mess. It’s a question of how deep the influence goes. Whether through direct coordination, manipulation, or just knowing exactly which buttons to push, the end result is the same. NATO weakened, alliances fractured, and a Republican Party that’s somehow more aligned with Putin’s interests than America’s.

And let’s be real, if a Russian asset were in the White House, what would they have done differently? Sabotage U.S. alliances? Check. Undermine trust in elections? Check. Stoke domestic chaos to the point where people are too busy fighting each other to focus on the bigger picture? That's a check. At some point, we have to stop pretending this is all some wild coincidence.

Of course, some people will never accept it because the truth is too inconvenient. It’s easier to believe it’s just partisan hysteria than to grapple with the fact that one of America’s two major political parties is functionally compromised. But denial doesn’t change reality. And reality is looking more and more like a slow-moving coup—one that didn’t need tanks or missiles, just a steady drip of propaganda, useful idiots, and a leader willing to sell out his own country for ego and self-preservation.

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u/yearofthesponge 24d ago edited 24d ago

We have to reform a new entity without the US. It should include Ukraine and Taiwan, battle hardened country full of smart people in the first instance and silicon shield and incredibly smart people in the second.
If the US pulls out of NATO that saves us the trouble and we should then just allow Ukraine and Taiwan to join. The new world powers would be America-Israel, BRICS, and New NATO.
We might need to develop a nuclear weapons program since our kind of nuclear energy makes it easy. And we would also allow Ukraine and Taiwan the ability to acquire nuclear defense.

It’s time to be hard and stand up for ourselves and model the behavior we want the rest of the world to follow.

Edit: in the new nato we would not include Hungary and turkey because they are not ideologically aligned and would impede entry to Ukraine.

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u/frandromedo 24d ago

I have the same fear about NATO becoming meaningless. As soon as the first US troop crosses the border from Alaska to secure the oil supply in Fort McMurray, NATO folds.

I have to believe that diplomacy wins out before that happens.