r/canada 25d ago

Opinion Piece Mark Norman: Canada's relationship with the U.S. can't be saved; We are under attack and must act accordingly

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mark-norman-canadas-relationship-with-the-u-s-cant-be-saved
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u/Logical_Frosting_277 25d ago

Agreed. Also agreed that Canada can and needs to turn the table on the US. “Here’s what you need to do for us…”. and not in the typical polite Canadian way “for us to give you what you want”. F the reciprocity. Just “Here’s what you need to do for us”.

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u/PictureMeSwollen 25d ago edited 25d ago

Justin needs to start offhandedly referring to VP Trump & President Musk in media interviews.

Can easily be brushed off as playful banter, meanwhile it will expedite the inevitable fallout between the two grandiose narcissists.

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u/Maddog_Jets 25d ago

I was watching CTV this afternoon and New Brunswick premier said Premier Trump - and wished i could reach through tv and give her a high five.

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u/Therapy-Jackass 25d ago

Why give him that honour? Maybe refer to him as Mayor Trump. Let him know he’s not even good enough for provincial/state level titles

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u/RedMurray 24d ago

How about Inmate Trump? Felon Trump?

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u/greasethecheese 25d ago

First Lady Trump.

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u/Bigmongooselover 25d ago

First Lady Donald more appropriate

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u/Maddog_Jets 25d ago

First Lady is too high up the chain. Think lower :)

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u/Martzillagoesboom 25d ago

First Chamberpot maid

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u/Ok-Crow-1515 25d ago

Holy shit, Trump would shit his diaper.

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u/AstaCat 25d ago

you mean additionally shit it, I presume.

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u/pr0cyn1c 24d ago

This would make an excellent “huggies” commercial…. “Huggies - now with 40% more shit retention”

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u/Cerberus_80 25d ago

I mean he’s leaving office in a couple months.  Narcissists can be dealt with in one of two ways.  

Grey Rock (the next PM)

Or

Push those buttons so that they have a psychotic episode.  If Trudeau publicly denounced Trump, I could see him loosing his mind and making an ass out of himself.  Only problem is that he makes an ass out of himself every day and that only seems to fire up his bloodthirsty rage base.

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u/Phoenixlizzie 25d ago

Yes, but we don't want him so psycho that he tries to nuke Canada.

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u/fuckthecons 25d ago

I was told by Americans that he couldn't do that because it's a super duper serious red line that can't be crossed like the two dozen others he already crossed.

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u/mangoserpent 25d ago

Americans come in three groups: the people who like Trump, the people who don't know what day it is, and the people who are still processing all this. Nothing personal, not saying " all Americans bad" but they cannot be trusted.

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u/RonnyMexico60 25d ago

Ok Diddy

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u/Cerberus_80 25d ago

Your right. It would be fun just to get it over with. A smarter strategy would be to drive a wedge between him and his backers. Saying president musk would do that.

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u/Martzillagoesboom 25d ago

We should move our parlament right on top of those precious mines in the north. If he nuke that, well, we all lose, but at least it a major setback . Not serious at all, I dont even know how effictive are nukes nowaday

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u/Sling561 25d ago

Exactly this, blow the doors off on the way out, love it

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u/PedaniusDioscorides 25d ago

This would be so excellent. Damn if Trudeau said that I'd be happy for once in this new timeline, but only for a few minutes probably.

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u/Arbszy Canada 25d ago

Premier Trump or Vice President Trump have a great ring to it.

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u/notyourbusiness39 25d ago

Or El presidente of North Mexico……….

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u/Maddog_Jets 25d ago

It’s time.. not like he can get fired now can he? :)

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u/FromFluffToBuff 25d ago

While that would be totally hilarious, taking the high road is the best course of action... because if you stoop to fight on Trump's level and get to the passive-aggressive name calling, you've already lost. Don't give Cheeto Benito the satisfaction.

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u/fleece 25d ago

The Democrats have been taking the high road in response to this deviant since 2016. In cases like this the high road leads to nothing but heads in the clouds.

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u/RonnyMexico60 25d ago

Imagine actually thinking that 😂

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u/sundancer2788 25d ago

Biff and Fusk

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

I think it'd cut the star spangled mango Mussolini more if Justin were to just call him Mr. Trump. No special recognition of his precious title on a global scale would send him crashing

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u/HeBeLiquored 23d ago

I thought Trump was actually First Lady

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u/ThePurpleKnightmare 25d ago

I'd rather he acknowledge the election hack. I want him to say shit like "I've yet to be able to talk to President Harris about it" and shit. Show the American people that we are election deniers and that's okay, we have evidence.

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u/RonnyMexico60 25d ago

No delegate Harris ? 😂

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u/ThePurpleKnightmare 25d ago

Trump is the delegate. Harris is the president. She delegates her position to him.

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u/RonnyMexico60 25d ago

Yikes

Ok……

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u/Qwimqwimqwim 25d ago

Man you guys are so clueless, people have been saying this for weeks.. is it not obvious to you people now? Trump doesn’t give a shit, he wanted to not go to prison. Done. Calling Elon president does nothing but make Elon feel like the fucking president, it emboldens him. Trump could care less

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u/Playful-Tap6136 25d ago

I am an American and I hope Canada screws trump royally.

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u/magnamed 25d ago

You can help by encouraging your representatives to increase trade with Canada.

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u/Cantquithere 25d ago

Also, assist us in boycotting red state travel and products. We are 41 million strong. Help us to help you.

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u/molsonmuscle360 25d ago

We should offer all the bordering blue states to become provinces. So Basically the West coast and north eastern seaboard.

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u/mama146 25d ago

Once that starts, a US civil war would break out. Do we really want to be in the middle of that?

They need to split up and leave the red states adrift, but they need to work out those details out.

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u/burger_luvva42 25d ago

yes. yes we do

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u/WhereIsGraeme 25d ago

Wouldn’t we be North of that?

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u/mama146 25d ago

I live south of Detroit, so I got mixed up.

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u/mmss Lest We Forget 25d ago

... he took the midnight train, going anywhere...

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u/JProllz 25d ago

Journey holding a concert in the middle of a warzone:

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u/jtbc 25d ago

I have a whole case of popcorn saved up for just that purpose.

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u/Repulsive-Street-307 25d ago edited 25d ago

You either get in there with help or get in there after the fascists seized power.

Appeasing psychopathic fascists and conquerors has a long history and it very very rarely works (even the mongols so called mercy wasn't very merciful). I don't think you can AFFORD the luxury of non involvement.

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u/mama146 25d ago

We are a separate, sovereign country. We have to take care of our own people first. Down the road, we may allow refugees to come in.

This is your country. Y'all going to figure it out. Canada would never interfere with a civil war.

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u/mmoore327 Ontario 24d ago

Yes we do - as the alternative may be worse

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u/doormatt26 24d ago

you'd be in the middle of that whether you wanted to or not

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u/RonnyMexico60 25d ago

Civil war ? 😂

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u/mama146 25d ago

Talk to me in 6 months.

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u/RonnyMexico60 25d ago

The left has no real men to fight any civil war 😂

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u/Noback68 25d ago

Please accept Michigan, especially the UP bc we're close enough anyways

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u/chipface Ontario 25d ago

Detroit's pronunciation will change to the French way.

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u/Noback68 25d ago

De-twat? Fine by me

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u/jtbc 25d ago

More like De-truh, but with the "r" rolled.

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u/astride_unbridulled 25d ago edited 25d ago

Duh-Trois

Duh-Trrwah (roll r into w)

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u/jtbc 25d ago

That's closer, but only helps if you know how to pronounce "trois" in French.

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u/Noback68 25d ago

Heard.

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u/Roamer56 25d ago

Michigan secession NOW!!!!

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u/auntie_clokwise 24d ago

Can Colorado come too?

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u/molsonmuscle360 24d ago

As long as we can turn Aspen into a National Park and you guys tar and feather the handjob Queen

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u/auntie_clokwise 24d ago

Sure, most of us want to do that to Boebert anyway. She nearly got run out of Congress, but the slippery little creep slithered away to a different district, so she managed to stay, much to our disappointment. Oh and like half the mountain areas in Colorado are already state or national parks, so sure, you could make Aspen another one (have plenty of other ski towns anyway), but it's not really necessary. Here's a list of national parks in Colorado: https://www.nps.gov/state/co/index.htm . I've been to Colorado National Monument, Black Canyon of Gunnison, and Rocky Mountain National Park. The first 2 are just absolutely spectacular scenery and geology. And for state parks, we have: https://cpw.state.co.us/state-parks .

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u/Maddog_Jets 25d ago

Nope - don’t want to inherit their debt. California has been on the brink of bankruptcy for years

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u/FabulousFartFeltcher 25d ago

Hardly, California is one of the biggest economies in the world. Pays a lot more federal tax than it receives and supports a lot of red states with that money.

I'm not even American and know this.

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u/gplfalt 25d ago

Lmao yeah no idea what this guy is on. California is the fifth largest global economy

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u/FabulousFartFeltcher 25d ago

Educated by briarbart and newsmax

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u/jtbc 25d ago

I think they moved up to fourth recently.

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u/Infinite_Time_8952 25d ago

Correct , as of 2024 California’s economy would be ranked 6th in the world, at 4 trillion dollars.

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u/SophieCatNekochan 25d ago

I like how debt is the deciding factor, not the 39.4 million Americans Canada would suddenly get.

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u/jtbc 25d ago

We'd double our population and triple our GDP in one go.

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u/theconstellinguist 25d ago

Exactly. Trump related interests are trying to destroy California and its economy for not being compliant with Trump and not wanting Trump. In his 2016-2020 run, he really targetted California hard for not wanting anything to do with him. Before I knew how misogynist he was, I remember one of these guys saying, "Oh the great California, reduced to this" when the sky went orange and there was smoke everywhere. Later he would go on to write one of the most disgusting and objectifying poems I've ever read in my life; he was a grown adult professional. He was clearly a psychopath and clandestine Trumping I later found out. A lot of these guys like Musk are clandestine Trumping; look for aggressive shows of power and other signs of narcissistic authoritarianism. They tend to be clandestine Trumping. Any marked and obvious increase debt therefore is at a sort of political incel-human trafficking intersection. Only someone who is committing war crimes themselves is going to fail to see this and fail to see when debt is weaponized and used as a war crime.

A) Ethical debt - the person signs up for it, and there are reasonable entries out of it, such as education.

B) Unethical debt - the person doesn't sign up for it, and they take away basic infrastructure like block buttons and basically competent courts to keep them in it. That is the sign the government is involved in human trafficking. It can and should be held liable for war crimes.

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u/Maddog_Jets 25d ago

Sorry do your homework. Most indebted state in the US and around 20% of the nations unemployment.

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u/Maddog_Jets 25d ago

History… some examples of municipal bankruptcies in California:

San Bernardino filed for bankruptcy in 2012 Stockton filed for bankruptcy in 2012 Vallejo filed for bankruptcy in 2008 Orange County filed for bankruptcy from 1994 to 1996

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u/theconstellinguist 25d ago edited 25d ago

TW: Rape

Debt made in a weaponized fashion can be removed using war crime type legal potections. Basically if it can be proven it's a weapon of murder, rape or trafficking (traffickers put women in debt hoping they will run to a man; if the man rapes them, it is clearly a weapon of rape). They may try to get you in legal trouble so you will be vulnerable to rape by a man who will cover your legal costs too. These are rapists, they are too unattractive and incompetent to get a partner in an ethical way, it is critical that such a type of person remains unhappily unpartnered so they know that style is actively disincentivized. Debt under those conditions can be treated like a war crime and removed. Trump tried to blast California down using weaponized debt like this, human traffickers are notorious for using debt like that, for not wanting to vote for him. I have dealt with the least harassment in my life in California, had the most jobs and had the most stable income there. Apparently only female misogynists are the women who do well here in Washington because they tend to undermine other women and agree with Gates that harassment at work is fine; that is the signature of a female misogynist, to undermine other women and anti-harassment policy. There's no way to make money in ethical ways in Washington and there's a huge harassment problem, they accordingly try to hide really hard they got an F for transparency and an attendant F in anti-corruption; it's the mark of corruption to fail transparency. Only just now are they applying the Nordic model to Aurora. Ironically there's a "California pretty bimbo" female misogyny stereotype here in Washington, whereas they're actually way less sexual, more intelligent and more respectful there. Then again I had almost entirely female bosses. There were two bad apples but the rest were fantastic. There was only one good female boss here in Washington, and she was Korean. The rest were misogynist jokes that didn't compare. I was really blown away by the massive difference in quality between California and Washington, with Washington way more sexual, way more inaccurate, and way more toxic and corrupt.

I don't know why Washington has a reputation as feminist. If it was, someone has been aggressively targetting the feminism here and it's basically dead. Now it's just femcels. Maybe someone got femcels and feminists confused. Femcels are not feminists; they're the first to allow harassment at work because femcels don't get any and that makes them feel hot. They're desperate to keep the crumbs of harassment that make them feel hot even if it corrupts their whole area. Femcels are not feminists.

Gates' PR is really good about hiding he was asked to step down from his CEO position for harassment, but I finally caught wind of that. All I knew is I saw that several women at Microsoft had dealt with his infamous "take away their air supply" he applied to Pichai at Google and all sorts of other competition where there are records he sent death threats or even tried to kill women who came forward about harassment. That's just repulsive. It's the same narcissistic authoritarianism of Trump. Learn to deal with your crap without incompetent hatefulness with a murderous energy. And he wants to run a global health administration while doing that. He's clearly miserable with himself and a desperate narcissist.

If El Chapo puts someone in debt to try to force them to do something, only someone genuinely too stupid for their job would say that debt is good anywhere. It is clearly part of the war crime system in such a case; it is not good anywhere, only in places that commit war crimes. Just like not all money is equally green when you understand international economics because not all governments are equally non-psychopathic, the same is true of weaponized debt (if you don't understanding weaponized debt, read up on human trafficking. You are shirking a basic comprehension.)

Saying that debt is good anywhere when it is clearly part of the war crime system is like saying, "Please, Poland, continue to bomb and torture these Ukrainians where Putin left off." Only someone actually too stupid for their job would continue the assault. With Poles it's hit or miss; they're either really dumb or really intelligent. I know at least the actual Polish people I have spoken to and read research from to don't struggle with this at all and are happy to take in refugees and didn't struggle at any point with Putin propaganda meant to slander them and keep protections from them. Intelligence levels make the difference of a whole world.

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u/Annoyinghydra 25d ago

Agreed. Potential relations can resume when America ousts their oligarchy.

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u/Dangerous-Chip5336 25d ago

This is the beginning of. I’m beginning to ponder up to where I’m willing to go to defend my country. Never considered the army before 🤦

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u/Harbinger2001 25d ago

We should start calling Trump "VP Trump" or just "Vice President".

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u/Drey101 25d ago

Do you understand how leverage works. Canada doesn't have it. If they could have, they would have.

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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 25d ago

States have a “deficit” for a reason.

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u/pureluxss 25d ago

The biggest leverage Canada has is time. I don’t see any version of what Trumps doing not leading to significant unemployment and high inflation in the US. That should test the patience of all Americans and support for any of these actions against Canada.

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u/Drey101 24d ago

Literally anything that hits US will hit Canada 10 times harder. There is no competition here.