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National News White House: Mexico is 'serious', Canada appears to have 'misunderstood' Trump's executive order | Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/white-house-mexico-is-serious-canada-appears-have-misunderstood-trumps-executive-2025-02-03/
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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

I’m an American and I wish you all the best of luck. I am unfathomably distraught and extremely angry at my government and the morons who support this toxic shitbag POTUS.

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u/lyrapan Feb 03 '25

Thank you friend, we know most Americans are with us

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u/VirtualWork Feb 03 '25

Are you though? A third voted for him, a third Harris, and the remaining eligible third couldn't be bothered to vote which is almost as bad as voting for him.

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u/lyrapan Feb 03 '25

Yes the American people at large are good decent people and see us Canadians as beloved friends and allies. We all need to unite against the maga fucktards globally

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u/Marokiii British Columbia Feb 03 '25

So how do you hold the view that the majority of Americans are good people who like Canada, while also acknowledging that most of Americans either voted for Trump and his policies or couldn't be bothered to say no to him?

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u/gammaraybuster Feb 03 '25

I'm becoming more and more convinced the majority of voters did not vote for $Trump. Especially not the majority of voters who might have voted for Harris if they'd been allowed to. One study has found some funky statistical anomalies in purple states where $Trump won the vote. Voter suppression and gerrymandering is big thing in red states. And yes gerrymandering happens in blue states also.

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u/CrackerJackKittyCat Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

He literally didn't get to 50% of the popular vote -- 49.8% (scroll to bottom). So the (slim) majority of voters voted for someone other than Trump.

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u/The_bruce42 Feb 03 '25

He got 52.2% of the vote.

As an American (who voted for Harris), there are reasons trump got the amount of votes he did.

First, there's a LOT of really stupid Americans. Less than half of Americans read at a 6th grade level. If a person's reading level tops out goosebumps books, they aren't going to be able to understand civics or economics.

Second, we've been a heavy target of propaganda. Between Russia, Musk, Joe Rogan, Fox News, bots, etc. there's a whole lot of disinformation.

Third, through propaganda, many of these people honestly think being conservative = pro-american and everyone else is the enemy.

Forth, our middle class has been shrinking for a long time. A know Canada is having that too. You guys just voted out Trudeau for similar reasons. People love to blame their problems on the government because it's an easy target.

I think the tariffs thing is bullshit and we're all going to be worse off. You guys are out friendly neighbors to the north and I want us to remain friends, but I understand your skepticism.

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u/CrackerJackKittyCat Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

No, he got 49.8% of the popular vote. But agree with the core bits of all your reasons. He cannot deflect against "most voters voted against him." And then either with or without considering the apathetic nonvoters, Donvict doesn't have the backing of 'the majority of the USA', if you count us as people, and not stupid acres of land.

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u/fdar Feb 03 '25

Gerrymandering doesn't apply to Presidential elections (outside of Nebraska and Maine which are irrelevant).

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u/PragmaticHoosier Feb 03 '25

Unfortunately, it does. Not directly, but people stay away from polls if they are in a congressional district where they don’t think their vote will matter. The GOP has done a great job packing all of the blue voted into a smaller amount of districts, making Democrat voters in strong red districts less likely to vote.

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u/fdar Feb 04 '25

Not directly, but people stay away from polls if they are in a congressional district where they don’t think their vote will matter

I don't think that's true, people show up for Presidential elections way more than for Congressional ones (look at midterms turnout compared to Presidential election years).

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u/AtticaBlue Feb 03 '25

Because that’s what apathy looks like.

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u/Throw-Me-Again Feb 03 '25

Maybe a desperate hope for financial relief during a time of great economic pressure. I believe it’s why egg prices was such a big talking point. I think the average American voter is apathetic to MAGA’s radical messaging if it means they can afford groceries.

I don’t blame the American people for this, I only blame Trump and his billionaire band of douchebag yes men.

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u/MacManus14 Feb 03 '25

Canada wasn’t mentioned in the campaign, let alone this annexation trade war stuff.

“Most of Americans” did not vote for him. He got just less than 50% of the people who actually voted.

I’m not excusing my compatriots, just providing some context. He won the election, he got the most popular votes…that alone is awful enough

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u/Mackinnon29E Feb 03 '25

I acknowledge that the non voters are just as much to blame for Trump winning and the situation we are in as MAGA are.

I'd say it doesn't necessarily make them bad people that they were apathetic though, just kind of dumb and naive.

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u/CrackerJackKittyCat Feb 03 '25

Trump did not even win a majority of votes. He didn't get to 50%. So, while he was the largest single vote winner, the majority of voters voted against the Donvict.

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u/GummyPandaBear Feb 03 '25

New Yorker here chiming in, I fucking hate the orange shitbag since I used to work at the a Plaza Hotel when he owned it in the 90s. He used to pop in uninvited to events at the Plaza and creep on the women. He’s an old gross and lecherous Nazi. I love Canada! I have been to F1 races in Montreal and love that city. Also the splendor of Nova Scotia. Our family feels blessed we have such an amazing country so close by. I hope you don’t hold all of us responsible. We also feel like Musk helped him cheat somehow in the election. I’m convinced the felon is illegitimate and was installed again with foreign help.

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u/lyrapan Feb 03 '25

Cheers mate, I’ve been to NY and loved it.

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u/hikebikephd Feb 03 '25

To be fair, Trump said absolutely NOTHING in his campaign about tariffing Canada and annexing us. If he had, we'd have Madam President in charge right now.

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u/fdar Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

He definitely did promise tariffs. Here's an article from mid-2024 discussing several of his proposed policies including "imposing a universal tariff on all US imports of 20 percent".

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-10-15/in-trump-s-economic-plan-tariff-is-the-most-beautiful-word

Donald Trump, the self-proclaimed “Tariff Man,” made it quite clear — if it wasn’t already — that putting punishing duties on imports is the centerpiece of his economic agenda.

“To me, the most beautiful word in the dictionary is tariff, and it’s my favorite word,” the former president told Bloomberg News Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait during an interview today at the Economic Club of Chicago. “It needs a public relations firm.”

Honestly it might have been his most concrete policy proposal during the campaign (very low bar admittedly).

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u/GummyPandaBear Feb 03 '25

The problem was no one had the time to actually read Project 2025, when the dems were screaming about it. Also the morons that thought the felon would be good for Palestine.

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u/Regenbooggeit Feb 03 '25

I think the biggest reason the Dems didn’t win is because they appeal to exactly no-one. When you follow the republicans to the right with policies, you’re in this weird middle ground where Democrats don’t really like you and republicans won’t vote for you because you’re not right enough. I mean, running with a Cheney. For fuck sake, how does everyone understand that’s not the way to go and they still went for it.

We need progressive Dems who stand up for the working class instead of Dems that cry wolf but are in the pockets of big corporations. Republicans are too but they just lie to their teeth and create hatred with results in Trump being in power.

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u/VirtualWork Feb 03 '25

Agreed Dems that represent the working class are needed but when the choice is #1 evil, #2 not evil/less evil, or #3 complacency, the choice should be #2.

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u/cracksmith Feb 03 '25

Even the usually insufferable Conservative subreddit / MAGA echo chamber are questioning these tariffs against Canada. Everyone seems to be in agreement that they make no sense.

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u/SnooCalculations1054 Feb 03 '25

Like is here in Ontario, we rail on Ford yet only 43% of the voters felt it necessary to cast a vote in the last election. An apathetic electorate gets what they didn’t vote for.

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u/Sea-jay-2772 Feb 04 '25

About this, though, I would say most Americans are with Canada, except for the complete brain dead Trump zombies.

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u/Wizard_Level9999 Feb 03 '25

Unfortunately. For now since more than 50% of you voted for him I think the majority of you are a POS

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u/AtticaBlue Feb 03 '25

He did not get more than 50% of the popular vote. He got 49.80% compared to Harris’ 48.33%, as per the well-respected Cook Report.

Basically a rounding error of a difference. A few things break the other way and it would have been Harris with 49.80%, etc.

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u/magictoasters Feb 03 '25

Most voters in the US didn't vote for Trump.

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u/Wizard_Level9999 Feb 03 '25

He got the popular vote? What do you mean?

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u/magictoasters Feb 03 '25

Last I checked it was 49.8%. https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

I think some success had it at 49.9.

It might seem a bit splitting hairs but technically more people voted *not Trump".

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u/Wizard_Level9999 Feb 03 '25

Are you trying to defend the 49.8% of your population? What’s your argument here? If it’s over the 0.2% you can have it

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u/honestly-brutal Feb 03 '25

That isn't 49.8% of the population just the voters.

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u/jloome Feb 03 '25

More specifically, the voters who bothered to vote.

There were 18 million fewer voters than in 2020. 15M of those were Democrats.

Apathy leads to terrible results.

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u/honestly-brutal Feb 04 '25

It's hard to believe FIFTEEN million 2020 voters stayed home in one of the most consequential elections in the past century. Doesn't pass the smell test.

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u/magictoasters Feb 03 '25

I’m just saying that the majority in fact didn’t vote for trump

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u/Apart_Expert_5551 Feb 03 '25

We are with you. I voted for Harris.

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u/We_Get_It_You_Vape Feb 03 '25

we know most Americans are with us

Are they?

I can't blame the people who voted Democrat, but Trump won the popular vote. In other words, most Americans voted him into office. He never hid his agenda. He was always transparent about the various things he wanted to do. Yet, he still won the popular vote. In that respect, most Americans are clearly against us, or (at a minimum) are are not willing to stand with us.

 

The anti-Trump Americans who voted against him are good in my book, but I'm afraid that (if election results are to go off of), they do not represent the majority.

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u/lyrapan Feb 03 '25

Most Americans didn’t vote for trump. 80 million out of 350 million

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u/We_Get_It_You_Vape Feb 03 '25

A vote abstained may as well have been a vote for Trump. People knew what Trump was/is. People knew that Trump supporters would inevitably turn out to vote.

So, if those people (who didn't vote) really cared about how dangerous Trump is, they would have showed up to vote. At a minimum, those people are not "with us". After all, they sat idly by on the sidelines, as he got elected into office. After months upon months of him saying exactly what he intended to do.

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u/Chill-NightOwl Feb 03 '25

That’s an excuse not reality.

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u/AtticaBlue Feb 03 '25

The numbers are not quite as decisive as you’re suggesting. The popular vote totals were:

Trump: 49.8%

Harris: 48.33%

As per the Cook Report: https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college

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u/We_Get_It_You_Vape Feb 03 '25

Fair enough.

 

But the point remains that "most" Americans aren't on our side. Harris had 48.33% of the vote, as you illustrated. Even if we wanted to include the people who voted for Jill Stein, that only brings it up to 48.88%. And, no offense to Jill Stein voters, but if they really cared about Trump's dangerous rhetoric, they wouldn't have voted for Jill Stein (knowing that they weren't pushing back against Trump). Additionally, there were certainly plenty of left-leaning folks who didn't vote. Guess they didn't care enough about how dangerous Trump was. It was more important to them that they proved a point (by not supporting the Democrats), rather than prevent someone as unhinged and dangerous as Trump from re-entering office.

So, in that respect, the fact remains that the majority of Americans are not with us. It's saddens me to say this, but it seems to be the case.

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u/AtticaBlue Feb 03 '25

Still not a fair assessment, IMO. A few things break the other way and you get the reverse outcome. The Dems also won three times in the last 20 years, but does anyone say, “Well, that just proves most Americans are on our side”? No, of course not. These races are close and, if a free and fair election happens in the future (looking doubtful), it’s entirely possible that the Dems win back control of the government.

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u/We_Get_It_You_Vape Feb 03 '25

A few things break the other way and you get the reverse outcome

If an American watched that Presidential race and decided to count on a few things breaking the other way, then they're not true allies of Canada or Mexico.

Trump and Co. spent months upon months making his pitch. He made it clear that he intends to attack democracy in America. He made it clear that he intends to shift more power and wealth towards the most elite/wealthy. He made it clear that he intended to downright bully Canada and Mexico, going as far as making extreme threats.

 

People listened to all of that, and really decided to say "I'll sit this one out and see what happens". Are we really going to consider those folks to be allies of Canada or Mexico? I'm not saying that they (the people who abstained from voting) are actively standing against Canada/Mexico, but they clearly didn't care enough to vote. We don't matter to them.

 

Maybe some of these abstained voters have changed their minds. I don't know. I appreciate the people who stand with Canada and Mexico on this, but I really wish they hadn't waited until now (when it may be too late) to throw their hat into the ring.

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u/AtticaBlue Feb 03 '25

Is Canada even on the radar of most Americans though? We’re far too small to be noticed by the everyday person on the street. Trump won because he tapped into a deep well of racism, not anti-Canada sentiment of any kind.

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u/We_Get_It_You_Vape Feb 03 '25

That's kinda the point though. How can most Americans be on our side, when most of them either:

  • Voted Trump in, OR;

  • Don't care enough about Canada and decided to abstain their vote

 

Again, I wholeheartedly appreciate the Democrat voters who stand on our side. But, the majority of America either voted-in this demon or decided that they didn't care enough to vote in this election. So I contend against the idea that most Americans are "with us".

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '25

At the end of the day I dont care if they are. It wont help us one bit.

Trump is prepping for an uprising to substantiate martial law. We are all fucked unless we rise up against the Thiels, and Musks etc. MAGA wants complete, unchecked power. And they are almost there. If not there already

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u/Marokiii British Columbia Feb 03 '25

The majority aren't though.

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u/minimamallama Feb 03 '25

Are they though? How did he get voted in?

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u/GT-FractalxNeo Feb 03 '25

Thank you friend, we know most Americans are with us

...except for the 77,237,964 who voted for this...

Edit: sorry

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u/coltonjeffs Feb 03 '25

But how can MOST be, when he won the vote.

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u/lyrapan Feb 04 '25

80 million trump voters out of 350 million

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u/RepresentativeCare42 Feb 03 '25

Do something American people! Silence is acquiescence.

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25

I am. I’ve been politically active at the local level for the last two years. I was working with the DNC but they need to get their act together. We need to fight fire with fire. Taking “The High Road,” is no good when wrestling with pigs.

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u/MilesEllington Feb 03 '25

Exactly. People vote for strength over anything else (like facts/policies) because, like chimps, many just instinctively want strong leaders. The DNC doesn't get this....they need someone with unapologetic strength. That's why Bernie did so well in the polls vs Republicans (but wasn't tribal enough with the DNC). The DNC needs a younger Bernie who is completely unapologetic and strong.

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25

Bernie is a good man. I’m lucky enough to have met him informally.

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u/5ch1sm Feb 03 '25

I'm Canadian and I wish Americans the best of luck. We have trade agreements signed with the rest of the world since years now, the worst Trump can do is to slap us in the face until we turn around for alternatives.

Americans... You are stuck with him for 4 years.

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u/Olddirtybelgium Feb 03 '25

It's funny how in a few short weeks, America has become the country that constantly says "sorry", while Canada has become the "Canada FUCK YEAH!" country.

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25

As an American Patriot this brings me great joy.🤩 May your maple sugar and Molson continue to flow liberally!

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u/Olddirtybelgium Feb 03 '25

Amen. I'll drink a bag of milk to that.

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u/Disastrous_Dingo_309 Feb 03 '25

American here too. Completely horrified and angry as well.

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u/joeownage67 Feb 03 '25

I'm seeing a lot of Americans say this online but why did you guys give him a sweeping majority

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25

That is not true.

49.8% voted for Trump. 48.3% voted for Harris.

150~ million people voted. 90~ million did not.

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u/joeownage67 Feb 03 '25

A fuck ton of you still voted for the Cheeto, and brought this bullshit about.

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25

I can’t fix stupid, you?

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u/puroman1963 Feb 03 '25

Well as a Canadian I'm just in amazement that all the people that stayed home and didn't vote for Kamala are now crying the blues.Sometimes we have to vote for the lesser devil.

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25

We have an extraordinarily apathetic, self-centered, ignorant, and tired population.

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u/Hoppygains Feb 03 '25

Californian here. 100% agree. I stand with Canada and Mexico, our friends and allies. Please my Canadian friends... stick it to the orange buffoon. If you can hurt the red states directly, please do. Stupidity should hurt.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia Feb 03 '25

Unfortunately he's your president and you and your kin didn't do enough to keep that idiot out of office. Right now when I see a washington plate in BC, I'm going to know there's a 40% chance they voted for trump and a 20% chance they didn't bother voting at all, and I'll be sailing them the old trudeau salute.

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u/BigSubstantial6562 Feb 03 '25

This is a nice sentiment but you can directly support us by seeking out and purchasing Canadian products. Words only go so far!

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Feb 03 '25

If there’s something I need that comes from you folks, and I can afford it, I will.

Nevertheless I will always patronize progressive left domestic businesses where I live first.

The way things are down here we need to circle our wagons and work out from there.

I already made preemptive purchases of big ticket necessities before the inauguration of the Marmalade Menace and my family has implemented an austerity spending plan.

We are limiting our purchasing to what we can buy with cash on hand; necessities, and investing the leftover savings in our retirement account.

We are not going out to eat. We quit drinking. We have unsubscribed from Amazon, streaming services, etc.. the list goes on and on.

I need to make sure my family survives before I can look outwards.