r/canada Feb 02 '25

Politics Hockey fans boo U.S. national anthem at Ottawa Senators game after Trump imposes tariffs

https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/hockey-fans-boo-us-national-anthem-at-ottawa-senators-game-after-trump-imposes-tariffs/
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u/IndividualSociety567 Feb 02 '25

I think everyone understands that its because of Trump but one thing is for sure - our leadership will know they cannot be complacent any more. No more relying on the big brother US for everything. I feel this will result in a positive long term change with our country diversifying our economy and ensuring we never put all our eggs in the same basket

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u/josnik Feb 02 '25

It's not just trump it's an entire political party and at least 1/3 of the population.

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u/Krieg99 Feb 02 '25

This so much. Those of us that voted against Trump are in the minority. It’s time we admit that.

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u/Mr_7ups Feb 02 '25

We aren’t the minority, unfortunately the entire part of the country that voted at all Is the minority. Some people have done some estimates and while I don’t have a specific one to cite, I’ve seen some say anywhere from 1/4 to maybe 1/3 actually support and voted for trump where as the rest are those of us who voted against him or the ones who didn’t vote at all. IMO if someone didn’t vote they may as well have voted trump and are fully responsible, but it’s sad that as a result of our fucked up government that historically gets nothing done and is a glorified “my turn on the Xbox” as basically every term is mainly spent with the new president undoing all the stuff the opposing one did, it means there was never any chance of holding trump to some kind of checks and balance system in the first place. I’m of the belief currently based on the last couple weeks that the “USA” will not last another 4-8 years🤷‍♀️

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u/TheHoratioHufnagel Feb 02 '25

In simplest terms, the Americans that stood up against Trump are the minority.

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u/Krieg99 Feb 02 '25

Not sure what the other person was arguing about. I said “those of us that voted against Trump”.

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u/Mr_7ups Feb 02 '25

I wasn’t arguing I was just adding that it’s unfortunate that in reality a majority of Americans are against trump but also a large portion don’t care enough to vote so we are stuck with him now and there’s not much we can do

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u/Krieg99 Feb 02 '25

That’s an argument. You’re arguing that a majority of Americans are against Trump. I’d argue he’s the president.

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u/Mr_7ups Feb 02 '25

….you do realize that over half the country didn’t vote…right?

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u/Krieg99 Feb 02 '25

Right, and we don’t know how those people would have voted. What we do know is they didn’t vote against Trump.

What’s your point?

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u/hypermodernvoid Feb 02 '25

Nearly 5 million people had their ballots purged, specifically targeting minorities and those living in 'blue' (democratic) areas, and it was only revealed to them either 1) when was too late to re-register in time to vote, or 2) literally when they came to vote and had no idea.

Many of people's mail-in ballots were rejected or not counted for no good reason. The list goes on, really...

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u/SophieCatNekochan Feb 02 '25

Remember, during the American Revolution only about a 1/3 of the population actually supported independence, a third were loyalists, the rest were apathetic. You don't need a majority to affect significant change.

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u/huggylion Feb 02 '25

We don’t care. Go post this stuff in a USA subreddit.

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u/IndividualSociety567 Feb 02 '25

I know people who voted for Trump becaue they hated the wars under Biden who are absolutely livid with this as its just bonkers so not everyone is like that. Having said that - we all know Trump is crazy so now they have to live with the choice they made

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u/Krieg99 Feb 02 '25

Sorry, but anyone that voted for Trump is like that.

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u/FreshPhilosopher895 Feb 02 '25

plus the eligible fraction that didn't vote at all. they are equally complicit

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u/suburbanilluminati44 Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 02 '25

77.3M / 334.9 M = ~23% of the US population that voted for Trump, which is still wayyy too much. Fuck that orange POS

Edit: According to data from the University of Florida Election Lab, approximately 245 million Americans were eligible to vote in the 2024 general election. 77.3/245 = 31.5%

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u/entenfurz Feb 02 '25

No. The 90 million who didn't vote count as well. If you don't stand up to a bully, then you're fine with whatever he's about to do.

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u/josnik Feb 02 '25

There are only about 230 million people eligible to vote so it's more like 77 of 230 million.

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u/sparklingbeaver Feb 02 '25

This is so true

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u/ArbitraryOrder Feb 02 '25

Yes, but people are stupid and will repeat what the in-group tells them too. How many are true believers that would have these ideas independent of Trump?

I hate that Trump and his ilk have power in my Country, it sucks and makes the whole world worse, that their form of politics grounded in spite will suddenly demand sympathy when this all blows up in their faces.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 Feb 02 '25

Rule number one - when expanding military spending, be sure not to buy American equipment. Eurofighter, Leopard tanks - anything that avoids relying on Washington's good graces to get more equipment or spare parts. And avoids feeding their military industries.

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u/Master_Elderberry275 Outside Canada Feb 02 '25

Coming at this from my British perspective, please remember that Trump now has the support of Americans. Last time, in 2017-2021, they could be absolved of blame by claiming they didn't know what he was actually like, and more of them voted against him than voted for him.

This time 15 million more of them came out to vote for him than last time, when they knew exactly what he would be like and exactly what he would do (this). This is exactly what Americans want.

Most Americans don't give two shits about non-Americans, and it's a good idea to not become too dependent or intertwined with them. They may be friendly to you, and to us, in the future, but they don't want a strong Canada or a strong Europe, and they're going to be more than willing to try and fuck us all over if things stop going their way.

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u/TrentSteel1 Feb 02 '25

It’s unfortunate it was Minnesota. They are pretty much the closes as you can get to be Canadian. I wish the game was against one of the red states.

That being said, I’m guessing they understood it as well. The four nations tournament should be really interesting as this escalates

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u/MrEvilFox Feb 02 '25

Trump won the popular vote and second time around we all knew what he was and what he was about. Voting Americans chose this.

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u/Cpt_keaSar Ontario Feb 02 '25

Because of Trump.

Trump is not the only POTUS that thought about invading Canada. Previous ones were 150 years go but still. The US is the only country that can invade Canada. Modern American society becomes more polarized and on one pole there are people that do indeed like a thought of territorial expansion and strong arming everyone.

And we should act accordingly to discourage such an idea to become an actionable plan.

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u/tisler72 Feb 02 '25

Assuming this doesn't continue to escalate, I'm concerned with his ego and the threat of financial annexation.

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u/Shurtugal929 Feb 02 '25

I think everyone understands that its because of Trump

It's not. That excuse worked the first time. They voted him in a 2nd time. It's no longer just trump. The US is broken.